#04 The greatest problem of today's world: Dunning-Kruger effect

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5 жыл бұрын

What is the greatest problem of today's world? Is it climate change, the growth of global populism, fake news, or the risk of terrorism? One pattern beneath the surface of all these tremendous global threads makes everything even worse....
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@regularjim3193
@regularjim3193 2 жыл бұрын
I watched this video, now I'm an expert on Dunning-Kruger.
@irkhanbasc
@irkhanbasc 2 жыл бұрын
Same here.
@nsnopper
@nsnopper 2 жыл бұрын
😁😁😁😁😁
@michaeljohnangel6359
@michaeljohnangel6359 2 жыл бұрын
Very funny!!
@omcorc
@omcorc 2 жыл бұрын
Now you have to venture out into the world with the absolute surety of your beliefs in and understanding of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Make sure to admonish anyone you can.
@Kaddywompous
@Kaddywompous 2 жыл бұрын
I’m now an expert at spotting irony.
@mulekickhandmadeguitars8465
@mulekickhandmadeguitars8465 2 жыл бұрын
I'm no genius, but I live by this: Always be willing to consider the possibility that you might be wrong.
@stevenvitali7404
@stevenvitali7404 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I see that now I'm 47, when I was younger I did not
@7788Sambaboy
@7788Sambaboy 2 жыл бұрын
not sure where it came from, but my mother said, it's OK to be ignorant - it's not OK to keep opening one's mouth and keep proving it over and over
@stevenvitali7404
@stevenvitali7404 2 жыл бұрын
@@7788Sambaboy your mum is a wise lady
@irishdivajeffries6668
@irishdivajeffries6668 2 жыл бұрын
🤪🤪🤪
@skateboardingjesus4006
@skateboardingjesus4006 2 жыл бұрын
@@7788Sambaboy There's a lot of problems with that saying, but I can understand her disliking people who loudly advertise their ignorance. An ignoramus doesn't usually recognise they are.
@paulmarasia3379
@paulmarasia3379 2 жыл бұрын
For decades, I've lived by the saying: Just because I'm convinced, doesn't mean I'm right.
@accuratealloys
@accuratealloys 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a very good saying. Going to be using that one from now on. Thanks.
@nonyadamnbusiness9887
@nonyadamnbusiness9887 2 жыл бұрын
You are very wise.
@garrykennedy5484
@garrykennedy5484 2 жыл бұрын
I like that one.
@lizp5004
@lizp5004 3 жыл бұрын
"you can't reason ppl out of beliefs they weren't reasoned into"
@5retsam
@5retsam 3 жыл бұрын
I really like this sentence.
@edithisaok580
@edithisaok580 2 жыл бұрын
Cool. I like that statement as well. I live down south, and idiotic people inundate the region.
@CaSteGra
@CaSteGra 2 жыл бұрын
It's certainly not easy but it is possible. Sam Harris, Micheal Shermer and others talk about this as an attractive but not correct position.
@victorhopper6774
@victorhopper6774 2 жыл бұрын
nonsense. do you still believe in santa
@markgigiel2722
@markgigiel2722 2 жыл бұрын
@@victorhopper6774 Are you the Deep North Pole?
@bushputz
@bushputz 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the reminder to questions one's beliefs. There is a T-shirt that says: "Don't Believe Everything You Think" Everybody should have one.
@victorhopper6774
@victorhopper6774 2 жыл бұрын
if i wants it i just take it'' said a guy who is getting free meals for life. he don't play games.
@reidsimonson
@reidsimonson 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t believe your lying eyes and ears. Couldn’t agree more.
@ge2623
@ge2623 2 жыл бұрын
I always use a saying: "The problem with knowing everything; is you can't learn anything"
@Hal_T
@Hal_T 2 жыл бұрын
Good. Here's something for you to learn: that semicolon does not belong in your sentence. Remove it and you have a perfectly fine sentence. Oh ... and put a period at the end of the sentence.
@TheCharleseye
@TheCharleseye 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hal_T That's a colon, not a semicolon.
@Hal_T
@Hal_T 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheCharleseye - The punctuation between "everything" and "is" is a semicolon.
@TheCharleseye
@TheCharleseye 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hal_T Went right past me. I'll leave my reply and accept the shame.
@theoofer478
@theoofer478 Жыл бұрын
Following up Hal’s correction, a semi-colon is used for separate clauses that are technically still in the same sentence. A semi-colon could be used in a sentence where someone states the location of a place, then makes a separate clause describing it. For example, “Our school is located in Sudan; it is extensively ventilated because the weather can get hot in the afternoon.”
@Valicroix
@Valicroix 2 жыл бұрын
Every engineer (or at least the good ones) learns that there are four categories. (1) The things you think you know but don't. (2) The things you know. (3) The things that you know you don't know. (4) The things that you don't know that you don't know. Numbers #1 and #4 are the really scary ones that can cause disaster. What's terrifying is that #1 and #4 seem to be very common in today's world of misinformation.
@solarus2120
@solarus2120 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not an engineer by training - even if my job title contains that word - but I was taught a similar process, only this one was cyclic. 1. Unconscious Incompetence. You don't know how much you don't know. 2. Conscious Incompetence. Now you know how much you don't know. 3. Conscious Competence. Now you know, but you have to pay attention to what you're doing. 4. Unconscious Competence. Now you can just do it without thinking. Which leads back to Unconscious Incompetence if you're not careful.
@Valicroix
@Valicroix 2 жыл бұрын
@@solarus2120 LOL! I like that. It's very, very true. Thanks for telling me. Now I know more than I did before your reply.
@Valicroix
@Valicroix 2 жыл бұрын
@Kaos Nova That's very true. Certainly being able to explain how you know something increases the probability that it belongs in category (2) and not (1).
@Valicroix
@Valicroix 2 жыл бұрын
@Kaos Nova Which is one reason why peer reviews are so important.
@DrunkenUFOPilot
@DrunkenUFOPilot 2 жыл бұрын
Having watched this video, I am now a world-class expert on Dunning-Kruger! :)
@joshuamorrison8332
@joshuamorrison8332 2 жыл бұрын
My level of confidence is always informed by my knowledge. As a result so many people throughout my life have underestimated me. It goes as far as people judging me for having low self esteem. I don't have low self esteem I simply think that most people have irrationally high self esteem. In my opinion, modern American culture absolutely encourages the Dunning-Kruger effect.
@deandupont5503
@deandupont5503 2 жыл бұрын
An excellent and concise explanation. My only issue is "The Dunning-Kruger Effect" sounds like a prog-rock band from the Seventies. Loads of synth solos and complex time signatures.
@muttgooch
@muttgooch 2 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing The Dunning-Kruger Effect at the Filmore east in 73, man. but I was doing a lot of acid back then So it just might have been a Yes concert.
@stevejordan7275
@stevejordan7275 2 жыл бұрын
@Dean DuPont Well, at 5:30, she says "Police share this video..." Funny, I didn't think of them as prog-rock, but at least they're setting a good example.
@deandupont5503
@deandupont5503 2 жыл бұрын
@@muttgooch I think I was at the same show, but I believe it was Emerson Lake and Palmer. (Then again, I was stoned on quaaludes, so it could have been the Banana Splits, for all I know.)
@stephenlitten1789
@stephenlitten1789 2 жыл бұрын
@@deandupont5503 I thought it was King Crimson, but then I was smashed on smack
@randysteele6741
@randysteele6741 2 жыл бұрын
As well as inflated egos and sense of superiority.
@RodCornholio
@RodCornholio 2 жыл бұрын
Dunning-Kruger folks can make SERIOUS incomes. When they project overconfidence, people believe them and hand over their money to solve their problem. Best sales people - especially when combined with high psychopathy and extroversion.
@KH4444444444N
@KH4444444444N 2 жыл бұрын
I am an Account Executive in the IT Industry and I sell with integrity on-high. I win alot of business, but when I lose, It is usually because of a huckster like the type you mention. Overpromising and underdelivering to get the ink on the docusign. No integrity, no scruples. Shifty and untrustworfhy.
@glennjohn3824
@glennjohn3824 2 жыл бұрын
Being a competent salesperson and successful deal maker has much more to do with personal attention and emotional intelligence. Sounds like you're bitter.
@KH4444444444N
@KH4444444444N 2 жыл бұрын
@@glennjohn3824 Sounds like you're a huckster.
@RodCornholio
@RodCornholio 2 жыл бұрын
@@glennjohn3824 True at a company or in a business that has an ethically good culture. That opportunity was not available in my neck of the woods. The top conmen at my workplace were diabolical to the point of being named in lawsuits and having their lives threatened by customers they ripped off. Literally, and seriously, a victim said "If I see XYX, I'm going to shoot them." These sales people were proud when they made the customer cry (not tears of joy), because it was a huge indication they would be making a deal/sale.
@glennjohn3824
@glennjohn3824 2 жыл бұрын
@@RodCornholio so...with people like that around you, you're saying it's difficult to project a clear distinction between your business and theirs..? Dude I been painting houses for almost 35 years and I can go anywhere in the world and be qualified and competent at what I do. I used to tell my guys when they complained about other people's bad work that it's those shit jobs that make me double the price to do it right. Show up. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Be direct and polite and be on time. If you can't separate yourself from the trash you have other things to be working on before business.
@eh567
@eh567 4 жыл бұрын
Great summation. As said by someone wiser than me: "The more I see, the less I know".
@aimeechristinebarrios5879
@aimeechristinebarrios5879 3 жыл бұрын
Thankyou for discussing this ❤️
@fekkyb
@fekkyb 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe the “wise” should get glasses? 🤓😎🤩👀🤔🧐
@kevint1910
@kevint1910 2 жыл бұрын
the graph she is using is fake. the curve from Dunning-Kruger looks nothing like that it does not deviate from the test result by more than a few points and is not sinuous at all. there was a different study with different parameters that was done later under a different name that produced a slightly sinuous curve BUT again this study does not deviate from the testing result by more than a few points and AGAIN the curve looks nothing like this. this entire meme from back to front top to bottom is a fraud. every part of the study is misrepresented here.
@lawrencechristopherskufcaj4286
@lawrencechristopherskufcaj4286 2 жыл бұрын
You know Socrates? I'm jealous 😜
@dorianphilotheates3769
@dorianphilotheates3769 2 жыл бұрын
«EN ΟΙΔΑ, Ο,ΤΙ ΟΥΔΕΝ ΟΙΔΑ” - ΣΩΚΡΑΤΗΣ.
@kirklarson4536
@kirklarson4536 2 жыл бұрын
A wise person knows what they do not know. A fool knows everything.
@johnnygoodman2003
@johnnygoodman2003 2 жыл бұрын
Socrates
@kevincox3698
@kevincox3698 2 жыл бұрын
Our society may be making this natural tendency worse with "Everyone is a Winner" coddling of children. You learn more from failure. Failure will force you to see how little you know. Understanding failure is a vital part of learning to succeed. Learning that just because you believe it does not make it true is critical.
@ImJetixz
@ImJetixz 2 жыл бұрын
This comment is highly underrated
@nonyadamnbusiness9887
@nonyadamnbusiness9887 2 жыл бұрын
In the US, we have been on a quest to legislate away failure for over a century. The result in many instances has been to turn frequent small local failures into infrequent large national failures. It will be interesting to see if this coddling you speak of will lead to a total failure of society. Then everyone will learn to understand failure at the same time.
@skeetermcswagger0U812
@skeetermcswagger0U812 2 жыл бұрын
So what you're trying to say is 'participation awards' are anti-productive? No way! LOL!
@mattdonlan7745
@mattdonlan7745 2 жыл бұрын
Failure is the best teacher, but only if you recognize your failures.
@grayfool
@grayfool 2 жыл бұрын
I read somewhere, sometime ago, "The more you learn, the more you realise you don't know". Not sure who said it but it has always been proven to be true throughout my life.
@mikeoglen6848
@mikeoglen6848 2 жыл бұрын
That's what I always say. I came to that formulation some time ago...
@titolovely8237
@titolovely8237 2 жыл бұрын
i think that was Plato
@Optimistprime.
@Optimistprime. 2 жыл бұрын
Man, this is no more true then now! We are all guilty of this to some degree, but I wish more people would know that things are not black and white or the first thing you read isn't always the end of the story. Nuance is something most people don't do well. This was a great video!
@zerubbablestranger6970
@zerubbablestranger6970 2 жыл бұрын
Of course you could be wrong about that.
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 2 жыл бұрын
"We are all guilty of this to some degree" That is correct. All humans are subject to the D-K effect. What it does NOT mean is all people think they are smarter than they actually are (never mind the difficulty of determining "actual"). Stupid people tend to think they are smarter (tending to normal intelligence), but it does the other way too; brilliant people also consider themselves tending to normal intelligence and thus under-estimate their actual intelligence.
@armondedge4187
@armondedge4187 2 жыл бұрын
At age 22 I thought I knew it all. At age 82, I know damn near nothing.
@simonlangmead7
@simonlangmead7 2 жыл бұрын
It takes a lot of knowledge, to know what you don’t know.
@michaeljohnangel6359
@michaeljohnangel6359 2 жыл бұрын
“… the best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.” From Yeats's poem, "The Second Coming"
@zerubbablestranger6970
@zerubbablestranger6970 2 жыл бұрын
Of course he could be wrong about that.
@mikeoglen6848
@mikeoglen6848 2 жыл бұрын
The Centre, most certainly, cannot hold...and this is why Anarchy will be loosed upon the World...
@michaeljohnangel6359
@michaeljohnangel6359 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikeoglen6848 Absolutely true. Yeats was Irish, and my wife is Irish; she told me that the Irish are blessed with a profound understanding of the world, but cursed with a complete inability to deal with it. Best wishes, Mike. Happy Christmas (or should that be Happy Mithras?) to you and yours!!
@mikeoglen6848
@mikeoglen6848 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaeljohnangel6359 And a Very Happy Christmas and a Prosperous New Year to you and yours, Michael.
@eric2500
@eric2500 2 жыл бұрын
Poets always know the truth well ahead of the analytical and methodical disciplines.
@Ender7j
@Ender7j 2 жыл бұрын
There is a void inside each person in which ego fills it where knowledge and self-awareness does not.
@MrOppes-tl4pn
@MrOppes-tl4pn 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this, I am now able to claim myself an Expert on Dunning-Kruger!
@vincentm7357
@vincentm7357 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve hit the valley of humbleness a few times in my life and strangely enough, I felt better about things vs. when I thought I was ‘an expert’.
@Ogrematic
@Ogrematic 2 жыл бұрын
Hence the term, "He knows enough to get someone hurt."
@whatshisname3304
@whatshisname3304 2 жыл бұрын
ever since I was a child I have wanted to have experienced this dunning Kruger attitude towards certainty. all you can wish for is clarity of mind and self-honesty. true complete certainty is very difficult to obtain.
@TheBenjaporn
@TheBenjaporn 2 жыл бұрын
After watching this video, I have so much more confidence based on the fact that I lack confidence. Interesting video and I like the advice at the end!
@Gk2003m
@Gk2003m 2 жыл бұрын
3:40: and the problem with this is that the folks who most desperately need to increase their knowledge are exactly the ones who believe themselves knowledgeable already, and therefore believe they don’t need to increase their own knowledge! At Xmas time last year, a cousin put it to me thusly: “there are two things in the world I’m sure about, and those are my politics and my religion.” Given these are the least certain things in the realm of human consideration, it takes true ignorance to proclaim oneself ‘sure’ of them.
@victorhopper6774
@victorhopper6774 2 жыл бұрын
yet i have not lost at tic tac toe in 65 years. D&K suffer from D&K.
@danielebowman
@danielebowman 2 жыл бұрын
It si amplified by social media, people think they understand a complex issue via headlines and brief synopses. Some of the worst examples are well educated people who have expertise or knowledge in one field, but think some brief reading makes them experts in others. It's actually a huge problem in the mainstream media. Talking heads think they are right about everything.
@Diomedes01
@Diomedes01 2 жыл бұрын
That graph showcases in a nutshell why so many celebrities manifest overconfidence and a complete lack of self awareness. They spend a small amount of time pretending to be a doctor, or a scientist, or a police officer. And then suddenly, they think they are an expert on the subject. And because of their visibility, they can sway large numbers of people despite actually having very little knowledge on the topic. It's a combination of the Dunning-Kruger effect and the logical fallacy of appeal to authority.
@titolovely8237
@titolovely8237 2 жыл бұрын
ive always found that as my knowledge of a subject grows, the more my blind spots become obvious, leading to doubting yourself as you become more competent.
@bentrider
@bentrider 2 жыл бұрын
The greatest problem of today's world has never changed. It has always been the fact that humans are not perfect.
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 2 жыл бұрын
"It has always been the fact that humans are not perfect." Obviously I am not human for I am perfect.
@bentrider
@bentrider 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomasmaughan4798 😀
@user-oc9oy5rb5l
@user-oc9oy5rb5l 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve watched other videos on this but she literally explains it the best, wow, thank you so much this helped a lot.
@TheLifeOfKane
@TheLifeOfKane 2 жыл бұрын
She literally explained it wrong on every level, she used the wrong graph, made up assumptions and mentioned Cognitive Biases Sounding smart doesn't make it a good explanation, this is backwards and teaches you wrongly. Period.
@JayWozz
@JayWozz 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLifeOfKane After reading the actual study, "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments", I'm failing to see where she is that far off. Please, enlighten me.
@mikeoglen6848
@mikeoglen6848 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLifeOfKane How can you be so certain of that?
@jeremydas723
@jeremydas723 2 жыл бұрын
@@JayWozz If you read the actual study then you'll know that the first graph in the video (at about 45s) is not the Dunning Kruger effect.
@JayWozz
@JayWozz 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeremydas723 Right, but the other two graphs (the only two she claimed were from the study) were in the study. The first one was clearly an illustration to emphasize the overall idea, which is why she says (in not so great English) "in simplicity, this effect can be expressed in the graph". Keep in mind that I never claimed her explanations were perfect. I just insinuated that the claim, "she literally explained it wrong on every level", is on every level absurd. 🙂
@annsorensen2373
@annsorensen2373 2 жыл бұрын
SO TRUE!! Thank you, Trae! Love ya back, and keep making these video's, the world needs to hear what you have to say!!!
@alexis2620
@alexis2620 2 жыл бұрын
ABSOLUTELY loved this!
@nunocorreia5570
@nunocorreia5570 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent, the best I listen about the subject
@jamesvarrone7062
@jamesvarrone7062 4 жыл бұрын
Very well explained! Good information and good advice!
@brunaburg9377
@brunaburg9377 2 жыл бұрын
To the university student, the more I learn about, more I realise I have so much more to learn. Or, for the only slightly educated, I've learned everything from my evening class so I must know everything there is to know.
@bradcohenfsa2832
@bradcohenfsa2832 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this video. While I often find myself having biases, and arguing on them, I also habitually remind myself that there are three kinds of arguments - one to prove I'm right, one to prove you're wrong, and one to seek out the truth. Always try to do the latter.
@bearchow1929
@bearchow1929 2 жыл бұрын
I've always heard it as: it is good to have some healthy self-doubt. And on the subject of the internet: Everyone is an expert, and it is like the blind leading the blind.
@zerubbablestranger6970
@zerubbablestranger6970 2 жыл бұрын
Of course you could be wrong about that.
@bearchow1929
@bearchow1929 2 жыл бұрын
​@@zerubbablestranger6970I don't believe anything I write or say. I regard belief as a form of brain damage, the death of intelligence, the fracture of creativity, the atrophy of imagination. I have opinions but no Belief System (B.S.)
@thehotyounggrandpas8207
@thehotyounggrandpas8207 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I watched: now I'm an expert on the Dunning-Kruger effect.
@drhandle4498
@drhandle4498 2 жыл бұрын
This is an accurate summary of doing a PhD. Especially the 'never reaching the peak of ignorant confidence ever again' bit.
@sinafeissaly9054
@sinafeissaly9054 3 жыл бұрын
This was a really helpful video. Thanks so much!
@philipmcniel4908
@philipmcniel4908 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is, not everything that LOOKS like the Dunning-Kruger Effect actually is. For instance, there are almost certainly some people who appear (to YOU) to be very confident in their own opinions, who actually have only a small or moderate confidence in their own opinions but doubt the opinions of people who know more than them. Doubting the opinions of experts doesn't necessarily mean that someone is confident in his own opinion; it simply means he isn't confident in theirs--perhaps because he's seen evidence of incompetence, bias, or poor outcomes in their decision-making in the past. Examples: A medical student who hasn't yet gotten his graduate degree, but already realizes that professional researchers on a certain topic didn't use proper control groups in their research on a medical treatment, or an average Joe who's been told conflicting advice from nutritional experts his whole life (Eat eggs! Don't eat eggs! OK now, just eat the yolk! Fats and oils are bad for you! Wait, fats are still bad for you, but oils are good!), and now every time he hears new expert opinions on whether a certain food is good or bad for you, he thinks, "Just wait a few years--they'll change their minds again."
@philipmcniel4908
@philipmcniel4908 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, I think this explains a lot: When you grow up hearing your teachers and trusted experts say that there's a coming ice age for you to hear, and then they change their minds and say it's "global warming," and now they're using the more open-ended term "climate change," at the same time as those dietary experts are changing their minds, and opinions on some other areas of science are changing, you get the idea that ALL expert opinions are, at least potentially, passing fads (and/or that they are determined by the funding sources for the research rather than anyone's actual expertise: "I wouldn't trust research funded by Big Tobacco about the health effects of their product, so why would I trust government-funded climate-change research to be unbiased about the need to give the government more money and power to fight climate change? Big Tobacco's in it for the money, and the people in government are in it for the money and power too,").
@irkhanbasc
@irkhanbasc 2 жыл бұрын
That's an excellent point, but what you have described is not the Dunning-Kruger effect but rather a (possibly valid) skepticism based on receiving conflicting information.
@eric2500
@eric2500 2 жыл бұрын
@@irkhanbasc It's valid only if it leads to inquiry with an open mind, otherwise it is just that poor sad guy who never learned that we learn more as we go along, and that there is bias, yes, but reality is still real. He ends up believing it is all BS, that no one knows anything at all, and that he might as well have nothing but processed sugar, fat, and artificial fruit flavor for breakfast. Every day. Just because he lives until age 70 and does not kick off at 40 does NOT mean he was right to reject the good nutrition advice, but he will die thinking so.
@joezanella8949
@joezanella8949 2 жыл бұрын
I am sure that the people you should be learning from this have not watched it as they already know.
@robertkennedy8503
@robertkennedy8503 2 жыл бұрын
“The best thing about being dead is that you don't know about it. It's like being stupid, it's only painful for others.”
@roberth5767
@roberth5767 2 жыл бұрын
Less than 63K views in 2.5 years? More people need to see this video.
@planckc1
@planckc1 2 жыл бұрын
I know I am a subject to Dunning-Kruger effect: I always grossly underestimate myself on everything.
@gailsgig
@gailsgig 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation. Facts and opinion are not the same.
@tipple58
@tipple58 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation.
@malizee2264
@malizee2264 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@pegasusted2504
@pegasusted2504 2 жыл бұрын
I have often had those around me be surprised at the breadth of knowledge I have in different subjects and just basic general knowledge and they generally are like " wow you know lots, you're real clever. How do you know all this stuff?" My reply is "I know a little bit about a lot of subjects but not a great deal about any one thing" The thing I have found is the more you know the greater understanding of how little you actually know. As you get exposed to more and more knowledge it increases your ability to comprehend just how little you know. I have often wondered if there is some change point of level of knowledge taking you from "I think I know everything" to "I realise now how little I know".
@fireprooff9922
@fireprooff9922 2 жыл бұрын
I my high school that was a big problem. All of the smarter kids were more self conscious and doubtful and the not so smarter kids were always overconfident. it got to the point were if people thought you were smart you would be seen as a beta male and if you were stupid you were a king.
@victorhopper6774
@victorhopper6774 2 жыл бұрын
high school is the age at which people were naturally doing something more important. its called reproducing. is it logical of course not ,but it is.
@fredorman2429
@fredorman2429 2 жыл бұрын
The public schools dumb us down increasing our confidence and Dunning-Kruger escalates.
@cjcorallo5775
@cjcorallo5775 2 жыл бұрын
Now I feel like I'm supper smart because I have no self confidence. But then again realizing I'm not as smart as others gives me more confidence, and therefore I must be smarter!
@jimclayton4697
@jimclayton4697 3 жыл бұрын
This is the bbest explanation of DKE that I've yet heard... and good advice too.
@rolandfrancis7066
@rolandfrancis7066 2 жыл бұрын
It reminds me of my good old Uncle Ray saying '' Beware the half - learned people ''
@terrycole2407
@terrycole2407 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this!
@doesntlikebirds
@doesntlikebirds 2 жыл бұрын
I think another important thing to remember is that just being aware of this doesn’t make you immune to it and knowing the basics of the phenomenon, well, it just puts you right in that danger zone. There’s a lot more to it than the basics.
@matthewdragomir2261
@matthewdragomir2261 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I see this all the time when mostly speaking to theists about their god belief. They are 100 percent certain that their god exists but have absolutely no basis or evidence for the claim other than "I just know" or "you have to have faith". Faith is not a process by which to obtain knowledge, it's a process by which to obtain unfounded certainty which in turn leads to confident ignorance.
@mulekickhandmadeguitars8465
@mulekickhandmadeguitars8465 2 жыл бұрын
Those theists have will not ask you to prove that God does not exist. So, next time, make yourself present your proof. Merry Christmas.
@Ogrematic
@Ogrematic 2 жыл бұрын
"Religion is a crutch for the weak who desire safety in numbers." Ted Nugent
@brucetucker4847
@brucetucker4847 2 жыл бұрын
You seem pretty confident yourself about your complete understanding of the nature of truth and knowledge and the impossibility of anything existing outside the bounds of your personal knowledge. That's pretty much the definition of Dunning-Kruger.
@Ogrematic
@Ogrematic 2 жыл бұрын
@@brucetucker4847 Condescending prick.
@donshields2379
@donshields2379 2 жыл бұрын
Expending time and energy to argue something that you don't think is real. Why put so much effort unless you don't want to be proven wrong?
@jordanf451
@jordanf451 2 жыл бұрын
Socrates: The only thing I know is that I know nothing. The Oracle: Hence, you are the wisest men in the world.
@bearchow1929
@bearchow1929 2 жыл бұрын
A good reminder that wisdom and knowledge are not the same thing.
@Ogrematic
@Ogrematic 2 жыл бұрын
"I was pondering the immortal words of Socrates, who said, 'I drank what?'" Chris Knight
@robertsullivan4773
@robertsullivan4773 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I needed to be reminded of this.
@myalteregohamish
@myalteregohamish 2 жыл бұрын
This is great. It's the blind spot conversation.
@dorianphilotheates3769
@dorianphilotheates3769 2 жыл бұрын
I’m ALWAYS right - infallible, in fact. I thought I was wrong once, but as it turned out, I was mistaken...phew!😓
@antonbonin5003
@antonbonin5003 2 жыл бұрын
This is something I've noticed about Indian men in the tech and engineering industry. They're always so confident, and people have a bias that Indians/Asians are so good at tech jobs. After having to work with them, I've learned they're the most ignorant, and talentless people in the industry. But oh my God are they certain they're right. And they ALWAYS apply for the higher tech jobs that a lot of other people are not confident to apply for, and therefore ALWAYS get the higher paying positions. It's definitely to do with their culture, but it's frustrating working with a senior engineer that is dumber than a box of rocks and won't work with anyone because they're sure they know more than you.
@antonbonin5003
@antonbonin5003 2 жыл бұрын
@Richard Fox The true irony here is you displaying true characteristics of the DK effect. You clearly don't have any expertise or knowledge in identifying offensive and inaccurate characterisations of people based on racial stereo-types, yet you were confident enough about the subject that you felt the need to leave this comment. This shows how little you truly understand the subject matter, which is: "The generalized anecdotal experience Anton Bonin has had with Male, culturally Indian engineers in a work environment."
@vanman4842
@vanman4842 2 жыл бұрын
OJ is innocent. Right?
@antonbonin5003
@antonbonin5003 2 жыл бұрын
@Richard Fox This is what I mean, you have no idea you're wrong. Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized. And in case you need prejudice defined Prejudice: preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience. My experience is ENTIRELY based on actual experience, and I even provided a logical reasoning for why I believe I'm experiencing it. My God you don't even realize you're dumb XD
@antonbonin5003
@antonbonin5003 2 жыл бұрын
@Richard Fox Re-read the definition. It's not race, it's ethnicity. And I don't discriminate against anyone. This is DK in effect. You don't know, so you assume you know, and you're extremely confident you do know. You're such a tool, lol
@antonbonin5003
@antonbonin5003 2 жыл бұрын
@Richard Fox Prejudice: preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience. I clearly detail my experience, and even the reasoning to which I arrived on the opinion. Sounds like you think you know what you're talking about, when you don't even know the definition of prejudice.
@cnr9940
@cnr9940 2 жыл бұрын
People who so readily throw this term around often give the impression that they think it can't also apply to them.
@ex-engineer6657
@ex-engineer6657 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for producing and sharing this.
@jimmyb3158
@jimmyb3158 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your video, very informative. Dunning-Kruger effect is especially dangerous with religion. Religion teaches that they have all the answers and in most cases discourage curiosity. Very dangerous especially when some religions expect 100% obedience to the point of dying for your religion in some cases.
@victorhopper6774
@victorhopper6774 2 жыл бұрын
given the time at which most religions started the odds were in favor of those that followed a group. even if much of what the group believed was wrong. you may be smart and right but there is such a thing as becoming ''dead right''.
@pflume1
@pflume1 2 жыл бұрын
This comment is a great example of your own Dunning-Kruger effect.
@jimmyb3158
@jimmyb3158 2 жыл бұрын
@@pflume1 please explain
@pflume1
@pflume1 2 жыл бұрын
@@jimmyb3158 you made at least 3 statements in your comment that you made with complete confidence that are very inaccurate. Most Religious people aren't dangerous. A great many charitable organizations, schools and Hospitals are Religiously affiliated. The answers most Religions talk about spiritual life and most of the founding scientists were Religious , so much for lack of curiosity. . As for 100% obedience that would be something like the military. Society and some put pressure on individuals to obey it's rules. So thank you for providing a great example of someone confidence in their ingornance.
@c.b.4270
@c.b.4270 2 жыл бұрын
2021: Dunning- Krüger has a all-time high in our new government here in Germany.
@josephmeador1529
@josephmeador1529 2 жыл бұрын
Lao Tzu said figured it out 5000 years ago "He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know."
@TrustinJC
@TrustinJC 2 жыл бұрын
Well said. Great explanation. Describes the world today perfectly/
@stephenpowstinger733
@stephenpowstinger733 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure what Dunning-Kruger has to do with procrastination but it is a widespread problem that affects most of us. Many religious people lead responsible lives but religiosity, the opening up of the mind to non-perceptual, non-logical input, is an invitation to grievous error and tragic mistake.
@victorhopper6774
@victorhopper6774 2 жыл бұрын
so you are a classic case of D&K.
@pb9240
@pb9240 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t this effect be associated with one’s ego? It’s hard to say “I don’t know or that I was wrong” with a huge ego.
@adamwuttemberger7923
@adamwuttemberger7923 2 жыл бұрын
I would say yes the, larger your ego the more it gets in your way.
@KH4444444444N
@KH4444444444N 2 жыл бұрын
Partially...Yes
@Ogrematic
@Ogrematic 2 жыл бұрын
It ain't braggin' if it's true.
@dee4435
@dee4435 2 жыл бұрын
It's December 2021, and oh boy does this video make sense. Well done!
@ernestweeks3529
@ernestweeks3529 2 жыл бұрын
This is true and I always find that the really confident ones lacking the actual knowledge on the subject being debated, respond better when you empathize with them before trying to present the information they're lacking in the subject. Such as - I know right thought the same thing until I found out 'such n such'! No one enjoys being ridiculed or being made to feel inferior.
@Puzzledrev
@Puzzledrev 2 жыл бұрын
How much does upbringing affect this? My cousin and I grew up in homes where our parents had no problem admitting that they didn't know things or that they were wrong about something. They looked for competent sources and expected the same of us. Our children and grandchildren are the same, as are our grandchildren.
@mazmo2005
@mazmo2005 2 жыл бұрын
It's a long time ago but I think my young observations of a parent that constantly displayed absolute certainty (mostly about their religion) is what led me to skepticism and a desire to understand reality properly, which led me to science. I could be wrong though ;-)
@mito88
@mito88 2 жыл бұрын
“Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.” Oscar Wilde
@johnnygoodman2003
@johnnygoodman2003 2 жыл бұрын
"You is what you ain't" Frank Zappa
@mito88
@mito88 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnnygoodman2003 I am not young enough to know everything.... Oscar Wilde
@tomski1111
@tomski1111 2 жыл бұрын
This video should be required viewing for anyone on social media.
@jimschleich8753
@jimschleich8753 2 жыл бұрын
Well done!! I think this needs to be in the high school curriculum around 10th or 11th grade. It could help!! And then again every year post H.S. education.
@peach495
@peach495 2 жыл бұрын
An intelligent person might say something like this: I have an excellent vocabulary. A person with Dunning-Kruger: I got the best words.
@russtaylor2122
@russtaylor2122 2 жыл бұрын
Really the best words. Marvellous words. Fantastic ones. People always say 'sir you have the best words. Not fake news... Guess who?
@Soapandwater6
@Soapandwater6 2 жыл бұрын
"I know words. I have the best words."
@atomiccritter6492
@atomiccritter6492 2 жыл бұрын
@@Soapandwater6 the bestest words
@Soapandwater6
@Soapandwater6 2 жыл бұрын
@@atomiccritter6492 Be best.
@LuckyFlesh
@LuckyFlesh 2 жыл бұрын
Nope. The person that says "I have the best words." Is speaking plainly so that everyone can understand him or her. It's about being an effective communicator. The fact that you didn't know this means that YOU are the one suffering from the Dunning Kruger effect.
@BenWillyums
@BenWillyums 2 жыл бұрын
Here's a study that 'proves' you should continue to trust the known liars and abusers despite all logic and reason. “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” ― George Orwell, 1984
@fowchiiiliedpuppiesdied
@fowchiiiliedpuppiesdied 2 жыл бұрын
I never found this to be an issue, but from a young age, I could see what a problem it was for others. It’s not that bad, people, to admit you didn’t know something, or that you were wrong. It’s a temporary state. So what if you were wrong? Admit it, learn from it, and move in. Don’t let the fear of being mocked, allow you to live in fear.
@markgigiel2722
@markgigiel2722 2 жыл бұрын
I hope many of us reach the valley of humbleness soon or we are in BIG trouble.
@defiverr4697
@defiverr4697 3 жыл бұрын
This video should be required watch for all millennials and Gen-z's.
@iamreg1965
@iamreg1965 2 жыл бұрын
Ignorance is not the monopoly of the young.
@witzelasper2821
@witzelasper2821 2 жыл бұрын
@@iamreg1965 that is the truest statement I've read so far
@irkhanbasc
@irkhanbasc 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a 54-year-old Gen Xer. Some of the dumbest, most opinionated people I have ever met were my age or older. In my experience, some of the younger Boomers (born 1955-1963) are the worst. They are also remarkably spoiled and self-centered, thinking that everyone should think like them and not being aware of current realities.
@russtaylor2122
@russtaylor2122 2 жыл бұрын
Running a very close race: 'The biggest failure of man is his inabilty to understand the Exponential Function...' Albert Bartlett.
@rezlogan4787
@rezlogan4787 2 жыл бұрын
After high school, I learned that I knew some things. After undergrad, I learned that I knew everything. After a Master’s degree, I learned that I knew everything about one particular thing. After a PhD, I learned I know nothing for certain and neither does anyone else.
@markgigiel2722
@markgigiel2722 2 жыл бұрын
I try to be aware of the possible Dunning-Kruger effect on me, but I'm always right. So, no problem.
@AFuller2020
@AFuller2020 4 жыл бұрын
Wait until you need to hire one of these folks, they think "if I don't know it, must not be that important", they are also more concerned about work-life balance that job performance.
@emreatay6096
@emreatay6096 2 жыл бұрын
The dunning-kruger effect is not about intelligence or stupidity, it's about competence in a specific field, and how the same lack of knowledge that hinders good performance also hinders one's ability to evaluate one's performance, or metacognition. The irony of this video is that it talks about stupidity, the arrogance of the "stupid", and their inability to understand or learn that they were wrong, while basing these conclusions off of the dunning-kruger effect, even though it is not about any of this, as has been emphasised by the researchers themselves. Additionally, the first graph shown in this video has nothing to do with the dunning-kruger effect. Seems like the people who made this video are very sure of things they don't know much about, which is exactly the thing that their inaccurate misinterpretation of the dunning-kruger effect describes.
@steveswangler6373
@steveswangler6373 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for the precise example of dunning kruger lol
@marceames4670
@marceames4670 2 жыл бұрын
It's a genius meta example. Made better by all the commenters scrambling for the intellectual high ground, whinging about 'stupid' people, spurred by the confidence they gained from a 5min video...
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 2 жыл бұрын
"Seems like the people who made this video are very sure of things they don't know much about" Brilliant.
@Sutterjack
@Sutterjack 2 жыл бұрын
I've read a lot about the Dunning-Kruger effect as I feel stupidity is rampant in the world today (thank you internet and social media). I hope as we move forward, at least in America, that we have more civil discussion, calm debate, and critical thinking - but I'm not hopeful.
@flaxenRdn
@flaxenRdn 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the info... and it's app tiring living amongst this people...huhu
@matthuck378
@matthuck378 2 жыл бұрын
The more you know, the more you realise you don't know. I don't know if the Dunning Kruger effect is the worst problem facing the world, though...I think it's willful ignorance. People who refuse to learn...People who think that because of their god, their favorite 'news' channel, or their favorite political leader is right, they don't need to learn things about the world or about others.
@TheLookingGlassAU
@TheLookingGlassAU 2 жыл бұрын
Its intetesting how this is used to suggest only accepted experts can know or have anything valuable to say about whats going on. Its such a misused idea, applied outside of its proper context. I tried to explain this to the creator but they would not listen, the more i explained it to them the more they were sure they were right.
@steevrawjers
@steevrawjers 2 жыл бұрын
classic great class thanks
@williampierce2034
@williampierce2034 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting.
@FernandoChaves
@FernandoChaves 2 жыл бұрын
The greatest precipitator of the D-K effect in history is COVID-19. LOL!
@vinayaktiwari4383
@vinayaktiwari4383 3 жыл бұрын
Similarly ....the subject line of this video ...."the greatest problem of the world" you have assumed this problem is greatest problem....which is an classic example of dunning Kruger
@andy8073
@andy8073 2 жыл бұрын
My takeaway from what she said is that the Dunning- Kruger effect is an underlying pattern beneath the surface to global threats
@sueburt1757
@sueburt1757 2 жыл бұрын
Misinformation preys upon this type of person. If someone like this believes that climate change doesn’t exist because they were told so by someone they trust on Facebook instead of doing their own (thorough) research then it makes it harder for the world to deal with climate change, etc. I think that is the basis of the title’s claim.
@DH-ve5bl
@DH-ve5bl 2 жыл бұрын
I learned long ago that a person can be 100% sure of themselves, be totally inflexible and persistent and still be wrong. Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said “Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, everyone in NOT entitled to their own facts.” Think “alternative facts “. There is no such thing.
@thejils1669
@thejils1669 2 жыл бұрын
"....and the truth shall set you free..." " ...but first, it'll piss you off!" -The Jils
@MisterTutor2010
@MisterTutor2010 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't the Dunning Kruger Effect that thing where if you die in a dream you're dead for real? . . . Oh nevermind, that's the Freddy Krueger Effect :)
@twodogs3868
@twodogs3868 2 жыл бұрын
well done! I'll give you an "A" for that.
@dhutch71
@dhutch71 2 жыл бұрын
The POTUS from 2017-2021 was a shining example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
@ahdoeknogh
@ahdoeknogh 2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention 80 million who put the current brain-dead train wreck into office. It's like a 4 year "Weekend at Bernie's." God help us all.
@tinawitte420
@tinawitte420 2 жыл бұрын
When you think you know all about the Dunning-Kruger Effect but the Dunning-Kruger Effect got ya 🤯
@PeterJVogel
@PeterJVogel 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant.
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