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Ilford Retro

Ilford Retro

4 жыл бұрын

Available NOW on Amazon - Ilford Retro Vol.1 From Gants Hill Odeon to The Plough and Plessey, all 52 episodes with photos of old and new! tinyurl.com/IlfordRetro
This episode compares a photo of the Odeon from February 2002, six weeks prior to its closure. That month, films being shown included Shallow Hal, Monsters Inc, Vanilla Sky, From Hell and two box office smashes which were still showing after release in 2001. They were Harry Potter and The Philosopher's Stone and Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring.
Releases just before the Odeon's closure on 2nd April 2002 included Ali G Indahouse, Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius, Ice Age and The Royal Tenenbaums.
The art deco building lay derelict for several months but was demolished within a year. Inevitably the land was used to build high rise apartments which developer Taylor Wimpey had to repair within 4 years of the building completing. The remedial works themselves took nearly 4 years, one of the problems being the pooling of water on the flat roofs leading to ingress into the dwellings. Just to the right of the present day image is a crane at the site of the former pub The Valentine on Perth Road. The pub was demolished in 2020 to make way for - a block of flats.
Sources:
Odeon history: cinematreasures.org/theaters/1...
edithsstreets.blogspot.com/201...
www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news...
hidden-london.com/gazetteer/g...
Ilford's entertainment venue history: Entertaining Ilford by Vivyan Ellacot
Film release dates: www.filmdates.co.uk/films/yea...
Apartment block repairs: www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news...
www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news...
www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news...

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@divinity176
@divinity176 6 ай бұрын
That little spot was a good night out... Faces, Valentines pub, Odeon, Corinthian restaurant... Yellow Cabs to get home. The tube made it a buzzing place to be the summer of 96, when the Euros came to England.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 6 ай бұрын
That summer was a magical one and you're right about the buzz of the area then. It had places worth going to and spending time at and people came from all over the place.
@61sven
@61sven 2 жыл бұрын
Blimey, its 2022 and your video has just alerted me to the fact the Gants Hill Odeons gone ( I moved from area around twenty years ago). Discovering this has made it a sad morning for me. This place was key feature of my youth. I saw countless films there from when I was a small kid, and many hours there in my teens snogging various girls in the mid 1970s. All part of growing up and very happy memories. So sad to see the building gone.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 2 жыл бұрын
We're sorry we broke the news to you @Sven524 It's a real shame it wasn't preserved for its architecture alone, perhaps converted into community studios or something. Good to read that you have fond memories of the place, and not just for the films ha ha! Those memories will live on despite the place no longer being there.
@peterb514
@peterb514 Ай бұрын
Fantastic cinema, so sad it’s gone. I remember the green “exit” signs at the front of the stalls, the ice cream ladies taking their places just before the interval, and the rumble of tube trains which ran directly under the cinema into Gants Hill Station. More happy memories, thanks! ❤️
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro Ай бұрын
I remember the ice cream ladies at the interval and it seems such a quaint thing nowadays. I won't deny your memories but I remember thinking the place must have had incredible sound proofing because I couldn't ever make out the noise from the tube trains (although I was probably too engrossed in the films to notice!)
@peterb514
@peterb514 Ай бұрын
@@IlfordRetro it was a very faint rumble… 😉
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro Ай бұрын
@@peterb514 I'm sure you're right. Far too close for there not to be any effect really.
@michaelmooney6671
@michaelmooney6671 15 күн бұрын
My time began in 1957,it's a great shame it's now gone.The good old days remembered.Thankyou.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 15 күн бұрын
@@michaelmooney6671 Thanks for your comment and it is indeed a great shame it no longer stands. Plenty of fond memories for so many who went there
@janemcnaughten7275
@janemcnaughten7275 12 күн бұрын
Hello. I remember seeing Herbie Rides Again & The Man With The Golden Gun at the Odeon. Very sad to see it had gone. Jane in New Zealand 🇬🇧🇳🇿
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 6 күн бұрын
Hi Jane, great films which did well at the box office on release. No better place to see them than at Gants Hill. I can smell the popcorn now!
@giftedsmith1511
@giftedsmith1511 11 ай бұрын
what an eyesore those flats are
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 11 ай бұрын
They're not quite as classic looking as the cinema are they!
@nickcrown7566
@nickcrown7566 Жыл бұрын
Lived in Chigwell Row in the 60s....it was either The State in Barkingside or The Odeon...saw Ben Hur and all those wonderful films.....
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro Жыл бұрын
I don't suppose you have a photo of The State do you Nick?
@zishanrahman2031
@zishanrahman2031 8 ай бұрын
I'm 21 and I live quite close to Gants Hill station (I've lived in Redbridge since I was 4). Those new flats are such an instantly recognisable sight to me, and they have been for quite a while, but only *two days ago*, while taking a trip down memory lane via the internet, did I learn that the area those flats are on used to be a frigging *cinema*! Oh, if I lived near the Gants Hill Odeon back then, I'd've went there every week just to get lost! Even if not to watch a film, I'd've at least hung around in the foyer for a bit (I sometimes pop into the Cineworld in Ilford for a bit just to see what's on and if anything has changed). I wonder what the interior of the cinema was like. Sadly, since it was demolished in the year I was born and before I moved to Redbridge, I'll never know what it was _really_ like, but it must've been quite nice (I sure hope it was). I can only say that those in the comment section who went to the Gants Hill Odeon while it was still around must've been really lucky. I can only dream of living _that_ close to a cinema, and, as of the time this comment gets published, I don't even watch movies all that much! I subscribed to your channel a while ago. I'm learning more about the history of Ilford and Redbridge through your channel. I still love the area, I really do, but to me, it just hasn't been the same since Bodgers went bust. And now Wilko's gone too. I _was_ going to end this long comment with "Sad." but, really, to call any or all of this just 'sad' is a sheer understatement. To end on a _slightly_ less depressing note, though, the area Wilko was on used to be a cinema too (the Super Cinema), then it was a C&A, then it was a Woolworths, and finally it was the Wilko that recently shut down permanently. I wonder what will take its place, or if it will ever be revived. We don't know for sure yet, so for now we can only speculate.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for your thoughts on the Odeon and of commercial Ilford in general. How nice to hear that you're also learning more about the town through this channel too, and we appreciate your support. Most, if not all who visited the Odeon in Gants Hill will say that it was a gorgeous, ornate building inside and out and it was, but in truth when watching a film there the art deco features and interior detailing are lost on the movie-goer because they're busy paying attention to the film! It was an excellent location though, and pulled in people from right across the borough. Cinema now doesn't seem to be able to do that, with the convenience of streaming platforms today. It is a valid observation you have about the former Wilko building. Almost as if - whisper it - it's never destined to last very long no matter what brand takes it on. Perhaps after the Super Cinema bombing in WWII, it's crying out to be returned as a picturehouse, one can only speculate..... We of course hope for the longevity of whichever company moves in next!
@tnetroP
@tnetroP 2 ай бұрын
2024 and just found out the Odeon has gone. Sad times. I saw so many fllms there.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 2 ай бұрын
a real shame we had to break the news to you, but the memories will live forever!
@Aarontlondon
@Aarontlondon 3 жыл бұрын
All the memories, of all the movies I watched in that cinema! I went there through childhood, and as a teenage with my mates. So many memories of it.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 3 жыл бұрын
So pleased you can relive those good moments. The place was like a regular feature of our lives, always there, always showing the latest films to escape the outside world to.
@cianog
@cianog 10 ай бұрын
On a Saturday you would always see people from my school here.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 10 ай бұрын
The days when friends would see each other in person!
@terrywyatt1836
@terrywyatt1836 3 жыл бұрын
I was in a band playing at The Valentine in Gants Hill & we kept being told to reduce the volume as the people in the new flats constantly complained. The Valentine has gone now too.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 3 жыл бұрын
Crikey, talk about putting the dampeners on. In recent years social venues have sadly succumbed to developers' money and have disappeared. I bet your band was good though!
@Signals927
@Signals927 3 жыл бұрын
What a brilliant cinema this was, me and my mates used to go to the Saturday morning childrens club in the 1950's and then as adults in the 1960's, it stood in a really good position. Those were the day's.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 3 жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right Signals927. It was a great place that drew so many from all around the town. I was jealous of anyone who lived near it. Nice to hear of your fond memories of those childhood days at the screen.
@OneAndOnlyMe
@OneAndOnlyMe 3 жыл бұрын
I have fond memories of me and mate walking through Valentines Park from Cranbrook Road to exit onto Perth Road and then walk up to the Odeon.
@bobbylope
@bobbylope 10 ай бұрын
The days are better now, love the multicultural vibe. Ilford was bland and now it has way more to offer
@storm3698
@storm3698 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for uploading. Love all things gantshill. Moved up north in 99 but still see family who moved up the road from gantshill to Newbury park.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 4 жыл бұрын
Nice to hear you still have ties close by. The Odeon was a real draw for people right across the borough and beyond. Such a shame it was destroyed.
@storm3698
@storm3698 4 жыл бұрын
@@IlfordRetro i don't think i ever used it. I sometimes went to the pub across the road. Valentine i think it was called. My favourite Chinese in gantshill was Champagne. Steve was a character who worked there. Chicken sauce with chips or put on fried rice was amazing and their spare ribs were amazing.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 4 жыл бұрын
wow I never went to Champagne but it sounds like it's also part of GH folklore
@storm3698
@storm3698 4 жыл бұрын
@@IlfordRetro it was an amazing takeaway that was very well known in its day. I have never seen a Chinese that has done a chicken sauce like that or at all.
@RebMordechaiReviews
@RebMordechaiReviews 2 жыл бұрын
The Odeon Cinema building was used (1959-1981) as the overflow service for the Gants Hill Synagogue, just around the corner, during the Jewish High Holy Days. Participants used to call it the Cinemagogue.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro Жыл бұрын
"Cinemagogue" ! a great moniker if ever there was one. We didn't know this Reb, so thanks for adding the information.
@cafsixtieslover
@cafsixtieslover Жыл бұрын
I remember it well and as a cinema.
@Geffo555
@Geffo555 3 жыл бұрын
I can remember the old folks getting misty eyed as they pointed out where the music halls used to be, and now it's my turn. I saw Close Encounters here. Bulldozing away our past seems so brutal.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 3 жыл бұрын
Your sentiments ring true with so many of us.
@harrybond9282
@harrybond9282 3 жыл бұрын
we moved here in 1984 and loved it.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear Harry
@phillipcooperUK
@phillipcooperUK 3 жыл бұрын
I can't believe that the Odeon has been gone for almost 20 years now!
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 3 жыл бұрын
When I went back there to do the comparison, I thought exactly the same thing. People have been born and become adults in that time, and never knew it!
@ASLUHLUHCE
@ASLUHLUHCE 3 жыл бұрын
​@@IlfordRetro Yup that's me, born 2000. Me and my mates would go out to Vue, Westfield
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 3 жыл бұрын
@@ASLUHLUHCE while the screens and sound at Vue are good, shame their buildings aren't the classic art deco of Gants Hill!
@rexel666
@rexel666 3 жыл бұрын
Why wasn't it a listed building?
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 3 жыл бұрын
Good question. Not enough of a preservation movement in Redbridge to consider it perhaps.
@samgoldberg7494
@samgoldberg7494 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for upload my First movie at oden was juarrick park.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 4 жыл бұрын
That's a classic to have seen on the big screen
@littleacornslandscapes2935
@littleacornslandscapes2935 4 жыл бұрын
My brother went to see Ian Dury &the Blockheads in 1978, remember him getting dressed up all stupid for it !
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 4 жыл бұрын
He probably blended right in! It seems to have been a classic
@OneAndOnlyMe
@OneAndOnlyMe 3 жыл бұрын
I remember the cinema when it was still one big screen with upper circle seating. It was magnificent. How they allowed it to be demolished is beyond me. It should have been protected.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 3 жыл бұрын
Those were the days when it was in all its splendour. Preservation and heritage isn't really an ethos in Redbridge and when money is touted it's snapped up without much hesitation.
@OneAndOnlyMe
@OneAndOnlyMe 3 жыл бұрын
@@IlfordRetro Yep, such a shame.
@dizmop
@dizmop 2 жыл бұрын
@@IlfordRetro the people running Ilford, the council, have no emotional or historical investment in the area, only financial. The Odeon and the Valentines Pub stood on prime 'underdeveloped, land, imagine how much money is being made from that land now!! it had to go
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 2 жыл бұрын
@@dizmop I can't argue with any of that
@pifinch
@pifinch 4 жыл бұрын
when it was revamped in 1968? fairlop secondary boys brass band played in the car park for the re-opening - in like flint- i think, they knew how to push boat out!
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 4 жыл бұрын
Really?! ha - James Coburn would have been proud to have his film played after such fanfare! Were you part of said brass band Steve?
@anthonyrowling7829
@anthonyrowling7829 4 жыл бұрын
Great trip down memory lane, many memories of films seen at that cinema. I think my first was Transformers the movie sometime in mid 80's. Has the Val gone?
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 4 жыл бұрын
I loved Transformers but had to wait ages till it came out on video before I could see the Movie, I was so annoyed. Yes unfortunately the Val has been demolished and soon enough another block of flats will stand in its place.
@phillipcooperUK
@phillipcooperUK 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately so. I met my wife in the Vals 25-odd years ago.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 3 жыл бұрын
@@phillipcooperUK And for that, at least your memory of the place will live on.......
@ghostfacesam
@ghostfacesam 4 жыл бұрын
Again awsome
@harrybond9282
@harrybond9282 3 жыл бұрын
We remmber this cinema very well. We viewd Hollywood movies and later bollywood movies too. In front of Odeon there was a carpark in open space.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 2 жыл бұрын
You have a good memory Harry. It was a classic building wasn't it
@thebohemian.
@thebohemian. 2 жыл бұрын
Another crossing of borders I recall. I can remember only one visit to the odeon, and that was 1983 to see WarGames. Who where the flats named after? Ex Councillors I bet!
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 2 жыл бұрын
War Games! I fancy watching that again for a nostalgia trip. Good question about the names of the flats. I actually think they were chosen by the developer because they don't seem to ring a bell with any recent council luminaries.
@rajnirvan3336
@rajnirvan3336 3 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing Indiana Jones Temple of Doom in 1984 and The Last Crusade in 89 at the Odeon. Also in 1989 saw Ghostbusters 2
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 3 жыл бұрын
Great films to have seen there! I wish I'd seen the Indiana Jones series on the big screen. Ghostbusters 2 was a bit of a let down though LOL
@rajnirvan3336
@rajnirvan3336 3 жыл бұрын
@@IlfordRetro it was in a way looking forward to seeing the new Ghostbusters next which is a direct sequel to Ghostbusters 2 and bypasses that rubbish in 2016 😂
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 3 жыл бұрын
@@rajnirvan3336 Ah yes! The new Ghostbusters Afterlife is hopefully going to be a blast :D
@OneAndOnlyMe
@OneAndOnlyMe 3 жыл бұрын
1979: First movie I saw there was Disney's The Black Hole. Followed by Moonraker. Parents dragged me along for Ghandi, which at the time bored me but now I wish I could watch it there again.
@simeonselmon8318
@simeonselmon8318 4 жыл бұрын
I grew up going to that cinema in 1970s how could they knock it down I thought it was a listed building instead they built those horrible flats
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 4 жыл бұрын
It's sad it was never listed as it was a great example of art-deco architecture in the borough. So much of the old architecture in Ilford and Redbridge has been bulldozed, a crying shame.
@miiq352
@miiq352 3 жыл бұрын
I remember watching films there when I was a kid and I remember my mum taking us to watch toy story 2. The Cinema was out of the way for most people, had poor parking facilities and had garnered a bad rep for being untidy and unclean and there was a rumoured rat problem. It’s sad because all it needed was the council to let up about the parking restrictions and a good clean.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 3 жыл бұрын
@@miiq352 You're right about the shabbiness in later years and parking often had to be somewhere along Perth Road. Despite its age it still had a lot of character and it would have been great if the council or private money came in to give it a new lease of life. So many have memories of watching some classic films there, Toy Story 2 being one of them!
@evanslater4551
@evanslater4551 3 жыл бұрын
Why did it close?
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 3 жыл бұрын
It's a good question, I never got to the bottom of that. I think it was to do with the increasing price of land to build on and the ongoing cost of maintaining the Odeon. In the end the maths probably didn't work out and it was easier for the Odeon (if indeed it owned the land the cinema stood on) to sell up. Also, with Ilford's Cineworld on the cards by 2000, footfall was likely to be reduced at Gants Hill, which was another possible consideration.
@Avidcomp
@Avidcomp Жыл бұрын
@@IlfordRetro Have you ever wondered why the "I think it was to do with the increasing price of land" has increased so much? Clue: It's the means by which we have too much money in our monetary system.
@onaematopia
@onaematopia Жыл бұрын
I hate how so many buildings in London have been knocked down just to build ugly flats & houses 😤
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro Жыл бұрын
It's a real shame that so many classic buildings in this city haven't survived
@onaematopia
@onaematopia Жыл бұрын
@@IlfordRetro I know 😢. I think historical buildings add character to London & also preserve and keep the past/heritage alive. But now all the new houses look the same & lack character & the skyscrapers aren’t as cool historical buildings. Older buildings tell a story but there’s no meaning behind newer buildings, it’s just about profit :(
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro Жыл бұрын
@@onaematopia you are quite right!
@sahmed80
@sahmed80 7 ай бұрын
Hideous structure of flats.
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 7 ай бұрын
They're not as attractive as the period building was unfortunately.....
@insertnamehere5146
@insertnamehere5146 2 ай бұрын
What a soulless looking building they put up there. its very similar to the other looking buildings sprouting up all over London. These look similar to the 1960s brutalist buildings knocked up then and just as ugly
@IlfordRetro
@IlfordRetro 2 ай бұрын
What is strange is that the high rise of the 60s have been looked upon unfavourably; poorer community cohesion than Victorian street layouts, forboding communal grounds, expensive to repair etc and that quality of life is better in lower rise, lower density housing. But the (fallacy?) of a housing crisis when many flats remain empty, is such that high rise makes up the bulk of house building across London, as you point out. The Grenfell tragedy and the cladding crisis in itself should have made planners and the government think beyond high rise density, but that hasn't happened at all.
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