@Actually im your father hey dad

At least he delivered...something. Elyria exists in Caspian's imagination only.

@@FalconRS LOL! Now THAT is an utterly painful truth!

@@FalconRS False, Elyria is a ghetto city just to the west of Cleveland here in Ohio, and it is filled with drug addicts and crime.

Report toxic positive reviews to save people from thinking people recommend it. They will be removed.

I used to be really into the modding community and if it’s taught me anything, it’s that the ego trip is real. I remember one guy who swore that he was going to remake the whole history of the world in a popular RPG - and do it with only 10 people (half of which were “history researchers”). About a few weeks in, he announces that “working with a team is tiresome”, proceeds to fire everyone, and claims he’ll finish it alone. Surprise surprise it turned out he had made zero progress on anything, but he did get a huge spotlight of attention for his hoax.

@@tau434 it'll come. Lool

Streamers and their fans do lol. They constantly use modders as examples of why professional developers are apparently "lazy". It's people who never had to actually work on game development who are the loudest critics of game developments.

@@damiester1 exactly modding is incomparable to actual development

"Grand Theft Auto V was developed by more than 1,000 people across multiple Rockstar Games studios"

Dude also look like the NPC on his unfinished game

Laughs in no funding for my Events Despite of beeing a traind eventmanager... people love to Fund passion not profession

People shake their heads at indie gamedevs who keep their first outings quiet until they're ready for launch (typically to middling reviews at best because of the lack of playtesting-yielded feedback), but at the very least those guys know one thing about themselves: that nothing burns up quite as quickly as the zeal to code your dream game. So they're afraid to promise anything until they know for a fact they will deliver.

Heaps of single man dev teams have done better with way less. Look at Void Destroyer (1 and 2); or Evochron legacy. You'd be very surprised what a single motivated dev can accomplish on their own. Hundreds of examples like that. Maybe you just weren't very good at your job.

Tbf, it’s the people that thought a game like this could be made for 1.5 million. The only way this game can work if an investor is interested enough to give them around 25 million to start getting something made. And honestly, I think the devs were hoping for an investor from the beginning.

Actually, it wasn't $1.5M. The Kickstarter goal was $0.15M. It was just that people couldn't stop yelling "shut up and take my money" so they ended up with $1.5M. I guess everyone thought "$150k for an unlimited open-world game...if we raise it to $1.5 it will be ten times as unlimited! Woot! Shut up and take my money!!!11212!!!!!!"

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@@anarylYou sure aren’t the brightest bulb in the shed lmao

"Yeah, lets create the hardest type of game on our first try" Just this should be a red flag

yeah, the salary of an entry level/non-senior software engineer alone is 100-200k USD base/year these days, hire 5-6 of them and your million dollar budget is already used up... a million is literally nothing when teams of people need to do development work. that's not even including infrastructure and other costs, just paying people to do dev work

How hard can it be? Millions in hardware, millions in recurring expenses such as salaries, rent, servers, software licenses, utilities, insurance. Retention of multiple Experts in over a dozen fields. Billions of lines of code and a distribution network. Easy-peazy for your average advanced game developing billionaire

Probably because you can sell them to the public easily, because the more you promise the better and the best part, the more you promise the less specific you have to be on the details, because there is so much to talk about anyway that people that want to believe you buy into it quite quickly. A game where you can do everything is a great pitch for a kickstarter, but a terrible thing to have to make.

I guess many just think its easier because they imagine just creating a world which gets populated by players doing there thing. No need for a coherent story, voice acting, cutscenes, also the promise of consistent revenue once released, it pays for itself and so on. ... Delusional...

Yeah it’s an impossible scenario without players willing to do the boring jobs standing in shops all day, being victims, being “fun cows” as a supporting cast for a tiny number of players with freedom. Not going to happen.

Why?

@@ElShogoso almost every gamers want to do fun things in upper hands, not boring but mandatory jobs. In real life we must do jobs even if we don't like it to make our living, but in a video game there's no reason to do such boring things. If everything including economy, public security and etc are player driven and there's no rules restricting the freedom the game's society will get destroyed in a matter of time.

Additionally, games in general need a focus. You can’t feasibly simulate an entire universe and every single possibility in a game down to the atoms. Nor would it be a good idea if we had the technology. Reminds me of an old saying: “those who try to defend everywhere defend nowhere”

Second Life comes quite close, though.

I’m an aspiring indie filmmaker and stuff like this makes me so mad! What kind of movies have you made?

lmao

Sameeee

@@zacharyantle7940 I have done a number of short music films. As well as a couple of public service messages on depression and s*****e. I am working on the scripts of two feature length horror films. The thing about both of these films, is they are like nothing else that has ever been made. That I am aware of. Very original. But of course I would need to secure financing to make them a reality. I have also worked on major film series, for bigger studios. And independent studios. In Utah and Hollywood.

Just fix it all in post.

"It is easier to fool somebody than convince them they have been fooled." Mark Twain.

Read the 48 laws of power, and you will understand why they do that.

Im pretty sure he had the vision yet inexperience. Hes prob envisioning too much that when he felt he cannot reach it he slowly gave up over the years and just trying to produce a product

It always blows my mind to see second life mentioned, I cannot imagine anyone left playing it isnt some decrepit lunatic by now

@@Klonkus I mean... Decrepit no, but perhaps a lunatic? Memes aside, I still hop on to chat with friends on occasion

they were no more than any other kid with a dream game and decided to ask for funding while not really knowing how to do everything and just like the idea.

There's a reason they go to kickstarter to beg for money instead of getting a real loan from a bank. Their ideas and/or expertise aren't worth a million dollars.

lmao how is no one pointing out that troll

It's not sketchy, it's Asylum's CEO unzipping his pants and pissing on the people who gave him money to build Identity MMO.

you take names too literally, and now your name is starting to worry me.

@@Marduk401 would be different if dads started disappearing, but since this company was literally a bunch of phonies..

That would have immediately raised all sorts of red flags if I hadn't already been suspicious by then lol.

It delivered one of the best Speed running communities of all time (Yandere discord ban) , I'd say it was worth it.

Lmao,okay you have a good point

Yeah...I hope to god their sequel doesn't go down this route.

@@serraramayfield9230the difference is their sequel is internally funded I believe. Iirc Hollow Knight was in development hell for a long time too, but they absolutely delivered in creating one of my favorite games of all time! My point being TC went through some stuff, but they at least delivered

​@@Bankai2169I would not be surprised that SS takes this long because of the same internal disputes for creative directions

Youre definitly right.

"MMO" should not be made by Indie devs this day.

@@gold9994 star citizen?

@@gold9994 I think it's fine for people to try but they shouldn't be able to get money for it until they have a base multiplayer proto type so they actually have the understanding of how massive and ambitious it is to create something like this

@@zswede Star Citizen is still in development over 12 years later, and no 1.0 in sight

Even if they made a game exactly like the trailer promised it'd be so boring so quick. People just don't behave how you're hoping they will.

It sounds like you'd end up like Rust. Allowing players to do literally anything will only result in some players ruining the game.

@@anzaca1 Well private servers and like nopixel with gta v online so it could work but it would need strict rules and a structure of some kind.

What if what you want to do is to get scammed?

Yeah sounds like, You wanna ruin others experiences playing the game? Do it.

Project Zomboid is absolutely incredible, the closest game I've found to World War Z (the novel). It is such a major accomplishment, and the weight of effort that has gone into it is beyond remarkable. I've owned it for years and I was so glad to see it finally popping off in the way it truly deserves.

just play CDDA

I also would like to give a shoutout to stardew valley. I believe a small company made it, and it's a very solid farming game with a surprising amount of content and secrets.

​@@kkdraws9052 One man, actually. Eric "ConcernedApe" Barone is a god.

@@draconisdemiurge One man is insane I had no idea

it was sillier than that, people got crowdfunded over a million dollars for posting a pancake recipe or whatever as a meme

Had a friend in college make one saying it was for him buying weed for $40. He got over $200 before kickstarter shut it down. lmao

@@duskworker8469I remember the Potato Salad Kickstarter made over $50,000. I wish I had that idea back then 😔

I grew to loathe anything with a crowdfunding campaign in any way involved, especially seeing as the idea seemed to turn so many established names in the industry turn to the dark side. Just seeing those tear-jerking videos of the puppy-eyed creator saying how "Now we need YOUR [cue finger pointing at camera] support to turn that dream into reality" made me want to puke. I'm glad the fad is largely gone or at least doesn't get nearly as much publicity.

By now everyone should be wary of anyone that says, "you'll be able to do ANYTHING in our game".

But don't worry. The only thing left to do is "just" the servers and network. Easy! XD

how would you make a game without assets exactly?

@@Gopherzooka Use placeholders while developing and refining the mechanics, then polish with new assets late in the project when you've got a working game that's not likely to change significantly before release.

@@Gopherzooka You use place holders. Don't know if you have ever noticed, but in some games if you fx. get to areas you are not meant to, specially unfinished areas in MMOs, you will most of the time see things like big checker marked boxes or other place holder graphics. There's no reason to waste resources on something if you find the basic of the game just won't work. In many games in early development you will also see fx. characters as simple wireframes instead of detailed graphics because you wan't it to work first and foremost. You can ofc. make all the assets first but that is more in hope that anything else. Maybe the game design suddenly change mid development or small things like the size of objects have changed, that leaves you with a lot of wasted time having made those assets. Many scam projects usually just throw a little graphics together because that's easier than to actually code something.

I have recently begun to think that maybe the scam is the simulation, the game---like a perfomance art installation. It reminds me of an artist here in Sweden who ran off with a public grant he received to make art, and he called the theft itself art. And the head of the museum that gave him that grant wasn't even mad, he was very intrigued by the "provocative art". Art people are really special.

@@oliver_twistor that is very interesting to think about but most of the time its like most other scams where they get stupid people with lots of disposable income to invest with no intention to ever deliver a product and run off with the money even though they fake progress

@@oliver_twistor Interesting do you remember the name of either of them?

@@blazaybla22 I looked it up and I was wrong. It was in Denmark, not Sweden. The artist is Jens Haaning and the museum is Kunstens Museum in Ålborg, Denmark. The art piece, consisting of two empty frames is called "Take the money and run". I guess it happened in September 2021, at least that's when I heard about it in Swedish media. Update: I saw that Sweden's Radio published an update to the story in February this year where they said that the museum has sued the artist for failing to return the money, and some Danish art critics believe that the empty frames will be worth millions of Danish kronor. A truly bizarre story.

People wanted to escape real life so bad

Lmao for real

Or gameplay.

True, but before Paratus dedicated all of his developing time to identity, he led a successful server on Arma 3 that was just that, you could be a criminal, cop, medic, bounty hunter, etc, so given the leadership position he had in that server for quite some time many people believed this was completely possible and doable with him at the helm

@@gravl7522 Yeaaah. But Arma 3 provided a steady frame for a... MOD! Thats really, really different. Promising a full game with more detail than a GTA and saying that you will be able to do whatever you want in this MMO is a way out of propotion promise. And trying to create an MMO as your first game is almost always ends up in failure. You need massive budget to create a functional MMO and a massive team.

Exactly

It just sounds too good to be true, that’s how people fall for these.

@@lebitelexie9350 I mean, you could technically do it if you developed an universal system that uses the same mechanics for a medicine check, or social checks, or political checks, or martial/combat checks, and then worked a stats system that can be used for multiple situations-- my first thought was the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system of Fallout, with some subskills for specializations that's still relatively broad and doesn't go into D&D levels of 1200 skills to pick from. Pair with an improved Oblivion-style system where the more you use a skill during a level the more bonuses you get when you level up to the next part, but you COULD just pick a less strong skill to boost instead of your best...

i agree. Games should have gameplay as the most important element. I always think of nintendo showing the prototypes for splatoon where all the assets are basically just polygons with little to no colors, but the concept of the gameplay loop was there. And why a lot of successful indie games are from game jams that just get developed and more polished later on

@@nicolle2126 This reminds me of a video showing the progress the people made at Pixar for Monster Inc. At first it was nothing more than a few sketches of an idea, next it was a very crude animation with hardly any animating in the models, and finally it was nailing down the animations getting them to look good. This is how everything should be done no matter what industry you're in. If the core concept of your idea is lacking no amount of polishing and finishing touches will make it good.

nah, every triple A game title from 2020-2023 were utter trash. Riddled with bugs, and minor content. Indie devs know better

@@aceofspades1701 AAA games are filled with beginner devs, and indie games most of the times have experienced ones that had enough working with major companies. But that doesnt mean they're better than AAA devs. the issue you're saying about AAA games are the result of investors' decisions. not devs.

@@aceofspades1701elden ring? Bauder’s gate? Mario wonder?

Kinda sounds like chibimation's downfall

*good videogames

Wrong. You just have to follow the golden rule: Think big, start small. And not with an MMORPG.

It almost seems like more stuff = more stuff to criticize.

It's easier to fool somebody than it is to convince somebody that they've been fooled.

Sunk cost fallacy. People _need_ the game to be good, because they've already backed it and don't want to admit they've made a mistake.

@@OrgaNik_Music That would be true but as said in my example, they have shown very little and have not released anything, so there is no sunk cost.

Oddly similar to how easily people believe everything they're told by the media, but then heavily criticize their friends who try to inform them of the truth behind the scenes.

lol if it can be proven by pure negligence and misappropriation of funds then it SHOULD be a felony. It's theft, it's scamming.

Sadly, worse things have also started with meaningful words or deceit. Without enforcing a contract agreement before transferring funds, people will continue to donate to a cause that 'sounds too good to be true' without insurance.

@@MagnakayViolet but the agreement is: You give him money and he agrees to give you nothing. The developer promised everything, but the fine print promises nothing.

Unfortunately fraud is so hard to prove with these cases. Because you are willingly donating knowing the risk of a product not getting done. The cases that have went to court over this has usually ended due to that very specific clause. Which is why some crowd funding sites don’t get held with the fraud suits. It’s all designed to make you donate out of fill will. It’s a stupid clause. But fraud requires a contract in many terms. You don’t sign one with these sites. That’s the legal loophole for some of them to get out of fraud.

No. There are risks in every investment. Those people decided to take the risk anyway. Their lawyer would argue that they faced unforeseen problems which sucked all the money.

its a real thing now :D

its basically DayZ again. DayZ was a massive mod for Arma 2, Altis Life was a massive mod for Arma 3. Well, DayZ Devs at least worked on Arma 2, so they had a lot more credibility. But it was pretty similar that an Arma mod had potential for something new and we can see with GTAV RP that the concept still has desire. Yet somehow the mods work better than the actual games created with the RP concept

It's called Aspergers

@@kwisatzhaderach1458 Autism has *nothing* to do with this sort of criminal behaviour. To even suggest such a thing is utterly despicable!

@@kwisatzhaderach1458 Guess I'm a criminal cursed to create an overly ambitious Fake MMO and fleece my loyal supporters... Hey, yknow what, feel free to prove your argument right. Send me a hundred bucks and I promise to spend a whole three hours making up a game idea and a whole ten minutes coding one before I give up and never mention it again.

failed? He made so much money!

@@TheWatchernator Join the mafia, if crime is a legit way for you to 'earn' money. Also, I'm pretty sure he's going to have to pay back every cent. And even if he doesn't have to, he'll never get a good job again as every employer now knows what he is.

Well, sure... if your plan is to actually make and market the game ;)

Probably cheaper than that? I remember getting a '3D Home Improvement' planning CD around 1998 for $16.99 plus a lot of trial software for free

"if you put books on the shelf they are actually visible" -- yes, groundbreaking concept.

House Flipper does this and it gets major updates lol

The whole "put your furniture in your apartment" thing has been around for a lot longer. Probably since at least the stone age :)

​@@stephens.3483can't believe the cavemen built massive apartment complexes

When my cat acts ups I rearrange the furniture to reestablish dominance. I assume Kira is doing the same.

There's a slide at 2:49 that I thought was talking about Identity(the topic of the video), then noticed it said "Dreamworld drama" (and similarly, when I saw the title of the video I thought it was going to be about Dreamworld)

I also saw 'dream' and assumed dreamworld. That was probably intentional clickbait.. But that's fine - this is content I would have watched anyway.

@@jamesd5767 You clearly haven't known any cats. They think they fucking rock and we're their housekeeper chimps.

@@jamesd5767 what is your problem dude

@@denis2381 He aint lying, I remember him being in the staff team...

@@KuzkayDev holy shit. And I remember your name!

@@lightbringerpip haha, awesome

@@KuzkayDev Hey, Kuz? How is the server still? I tried now and then to pop my head in every so many months but they eventually added verification bots to access any channels. Olio and Hairy still shilling this shit?

@@lightbringerpip Yeah, he is.

Kickstarter Testicles

@@stellviahohenheim If they sold Testicles at least you would have a product to get your hands at.

The fact that people just hand their money away like that lmao, i dont feel bad for them.

@@fapalgarlaw9257 it seems to work for twitch 'babes' 🤣

"It's easier to fool people than convince them they've been fooled", you could say that about 84% of human population, possibly even more since there seem to be some gullible atheists as well.

@@_Majoras calling them "babes" is praising them too much ... they're prostitutes.

Always amazes me how there is ALWAYS someone who will defend the scam Too. 😒 idiots

Holy shit we are on the excact same boat. Without remembering the title, I spent the last several months trying to find this game and this video just pop in in the recommendation recently.

Good thing you did not managed to remember the name back then. Chances are, if you did, you would have been caught on the hype train, feending on everything findable on forums and whatnot, and you would have lost a fair bit of money (maybe?) Even without financial loss, the disappointment hit hard...

Same! When I clicked this video, I was pretty shocked to find out that it was talking about Identity and relieved to finally know the name again haha

Had the exact same experience. Also being in highschool at the time, meant i had to no money to back the project. So happy I didn’t..

I also remember seeing the game when younger, i also didn't remember the name, but i remember that my young brother said to not believe the game much and be careful, also i remember there was some other games that showed the same idea so it was harder to remember, i never got the energy to really search the game till finding this video.

Well there is a game called Project gorgon that is a mmo made by 2 people. It has been quite slow to develop, but the early access version is very playable and has lots of stuff in it and it is still being updated. However the game is much more low tech/old as far a graphics and even old style gameplay. Also the project has been active for a very long time, the first kickstart for it failed in 2012, then in 2015 was successful and it only got $74k. It's all about how well it's managed and knowing how to make the game as well as making a realistic end goal. But yeah, your typical MMO that is modern is basically impossible to make. Even the hot mess that fallout 76 was is waaay over identity's budget, staff and skill level... and fallout 76 was a dumpster fire at launch.... even the highest end devs create dumpster fires so why would Joe down the street make something good with a few million. I think that was the problem, the gamers/funders aren't game developers so they don't understand very simple things like costs and being absurdly unrealistic.

They're great for over ambitious promises that get people to give yoy money.

@@mow123 quality cheap fast Pick two

Depends on what MMO. You can develop a text-based MMO fairly easily, maybe even 2D MMO. But 3D, open world, "do anything" MMO is insane.

_NEVER_ underestimate the ignorance of well-intentioned but uninformed humans, even when they're acting in good faith. The vast majority of people on earth have no idea _whatsoever_ how hard it is to make a large game. _At all._ Even I , as a programmer of a tiny adventure game (a genre that was a solved problem _thirty_ years ago!) make misjudgments on how long something will take. Okay, so I claim 4 months and it takes 8, while they claim a few years and it takes 100. The less someone knows about a thing, the harder the fail. Just look at how ignorant people are about medical science -> anti-vaxxers killing _hundreds_ of millions of people from a _single_ disease.

Well your imagination is the only place where you can do literally whatever you want so youre not wrong.

It's sad the amount of unfiltered trash that's on steam these days.

Its not a good idea to screw people out of their money while they can easily find where you live.

Respect for you with this approach. I agree and am in a similar situation, developing a game with a partner, self funded. It's about 4 years in, and there is not much beyond designs, ideas, story/lore, and some level tests. Probably at least another 6 years to go at least. Anyway, public funding would probably hinder as much, if not more than it potentially helps.

Hope you get your mojo back, dude!

Just a warning as a fellow dev, 80% of the work for a game happens when finishing the final 20%. The "polish and bug fixes" take far more effort than anyone ever expects.

Hi, hope everything works out for you. Just be honest to friends, family and yourself. The the rest will fall into place. Cheers from Canada

What’s the games like?

MMOs are usually THE most expensive genre of games to make; simply due to their size and complexity. Most AAA these day average around 100-150M budget...with plenty more far exceeding that, especially those that spend big on advertising and marketing. It's not at all uncommon for 'big' games to spend as much on marketing as on development. Nobody is ever, ever, ever going to make an MMO of any worth without many, many millions...and even then that's not a guarantee...re: Star Citizen. Not only that, but dead multiplayer games are ten a penny. Games like this, and just straight up pvp only games, die on the backside as soon as they release BECAUSE both of those types of games need PLAYERS...and lots of them. It's no good releasing a game that is multiplayer and not have a ready to go audience for it..it will die before you get one. And you can't do that sort of thing for 180k. Still, if people were stupid enough to put money in on this from the start...more fool them...it should have been obvious it was a bad idea.

Project Copernicus... 38 Studios...80 million USD... might be a litle low....

@@vallejomach6721 hell SC almost shows just how expensive shit gets. Let's say they have an average game dev salary of $100.000 a year (according to ZipRecruiter), with just 500 people that would be 50 million gone already in 1 year. And they now got about 1000 people if I'm not mistaken, so we can easily do the math on what a very rough estimate would be yearly

I'd give my father his money back!

Pay your dad back as an apology please lol

@@corundumkrabble5035 well I can actually get a job now so gonna have to lol

What a tool. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@wolfieenightcore6701did you ever pay him back back

I shit my pants with laughter.

Think its important to say that he didn't help create altis life, he worked on the dev team of an altis life server called Asylum before leaving to create Identity

Welp… 😂😂😂

@@flossec damn. thats even funnier.

This is a weird comment.

@@SioxerNikita sim does fill it

Exactly! Rockstar had 650 trained/experienced people working on GTA 5 with over $265 Million dollars. And people really think 2 guys with zero experience can make a better game with $170k. Even if it did have good intentions at first, this kickstarter is the same as a 5 year old saying "I wanna build a rocket ship!"

@@LeedleLee457 happened with Hollow Knight.

@@njuoergiubeg1857 comparing an apple, and an orange.

Yeah making a game thats 2d pixel art/"hand drawn" models takes a fraction of the time/work as 3d modeling.

@@40sandLs and that's why indies are so good. No need for so much money, and lots of passion behind them (like Hollow Knight, Cuphead, Stardew Valley, Undertale/Deltarune, etc) Multi million proyects are just too suceptible to corruption, disappointment or any other problem due to the big scope and team they have. Also the need to please investors or whoever else that put money in there, and then rush the work and release unfinished bs (I'm looking at you, Cyberbug 2069).

I think alot of the gta rp streamers backed this game.

all fun until TakeTwo comes in and destroys your mod and sues you into oblivion

Or Arma 3, like where some of the footage in this vid comes from.

Yea. The listed description of Identity immediately had me think, "so GTAO right?"

Rockstar is always trying to close the private servers.

if it just worked, he would have been fine. Unfortunately GrandMaster Todd is the only person with that power

Hell, it's been 10 years, a Microsoft acquisition, and infinte money and Todd himself still hasn't made "Better Skyrim" 🤣🤣

'One week, we focused on cost breakdowns and they said MMORPGs are the most expensive genre to make' Then he shouldn't be teaching the course, because they're not. They're not even remotely close to the most expensive genre to make by an absolutely massive margin. Open world single player games are the most expensive genre to make and always have been The kind of nonsense he's talking is why he's teaching and not in industry any longer. Whats that saying? Those who can't teach?

@@JS-wp4gs open world single player games have the most expensive up front cost, but MMOs have to budget for YEARS of development and updating after the initial up front cost. That doesn't even include server and maintance costs. *THAT'S* why MMOs are the most expensive game to produce, because the are constantly updated and supported well after the initial release

graduating game design is as impressive as landing a hob at the grocery store bud, sorry but youll never go anywhere lmao

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Agreed! Kira is doing excellent work, and this small adjustment would make a big positive difference. Just putting the quote itself would be best in those sections.

I find it distracting when videos print out subtitles like that. I think it’s only appropriate when quoting someone. If it’s just the narrator speaking it’s too jarring of an effect

Back when our imaginations weren't really weighed down by realities like technical limitations and time/money constraints. When our imagination had even a single chance of becoming a reality instead of just another "that's nice but impossible/impractical" in the pile.

@@dantethewanderer4989 when your high, it doesn't matter

“Bro it’d be so cool if we….”

This. Consoomer/sheeple mentality has overtaken the world, in virtually all aspects. No wonder we're currently in the worst cultural decline in history of humankind.

Simp behavior, typical

Absolutely

Star Citizen is both the exception, and in a way the example of why you should never trust these pitches. Even with an eye watering budget, and a huge team of skilled developers, it's still taking them years and years to inch closer to the promise. Star Citizen is the best you can hope for, and it being where it is, is a small miracle. By all rights it should've imploded years ago, these games are just too complex to manage.

@@0lionheart Star Citizen truly is Schrödinger's game

I feel like Kira has a hateboner for the game.

And I also see nothing wrong, did not steal the money, invested it, promised proof of concept and delivered it. And still working on it.

If they are indeed being taken to court, it would be extremely unwise to admit wrongdoing to an investigative content creator - from a self-preservation perspective. Not defending them or this ‘development model’, but it’s not surprising he’s cagey about the situation. We’d all like it if people were openly accountable for their actions, mistakes and misdeeds.

@@serbrighterunagainst9231 calling every failed kickstarter a scam is borderline to me. There’s fraud, then there’s mismanagement, overly ambitious goals and unrealistic funding roadmaps. I feel like I’ve seen far worse kickstarters than this, and this one looks pretty bad given the blatant misrepresentations and a gnarly case of sunk-cost fallacy.

@@oxenfree8373 True that’s fair, since it’s still an ongoing thing it makes sense that he’d want to be in full self-preservation mode just in case he gets sued. For the sake of the people who gave this dude money I hope he’ll one day deliver what his backers wanted but as all the scams out there have shown us, it’s not very likely

I sorta disagree...you cant draw blood from a stone, so getting that money back is impossible, and people need to stop treating kickstarter games as a sort of pre-order.. its NOT.. they are a crowd sourced investment, nothing more. Investments are never going to guarantee any sort of return.

Remember standing in pyramids building defence lol

@@gregb3557 if there is an honest attempt and failure, then that’s fine. I have been burned by Camelot unchained for a founders deposit, and I might be burned by ashes. But at least there was an attempt. Some of these kickstarters that are covered on this channel are 100% scams. And that’s where money should absolutely be return and people should get jail time.

@@gregb3557 No, it's just throwing money into a wishing well. You are not investing in anything with crowd funding. Investments grant special legal protections. Crowd funding does not grant you any of those protections.

@@gregb3557 I think what the OP means is that while Darkfall struggled, it did bring the product to market and without any sketch behind it like "publishing another game to fund this one". It's more reverence for a small team with a vision that while flawed, is still followed through

same, good stuff

except this video had nothing about this scammer going to court

@@storminmormon8195 yeh, but is the name of the series, is catchy :))

I can't tell if your joking or not, but he said Ontario, Canada. It is rather funny though that with the accent it sounds like "Kanata". Do Canada and Kanata sound similar when said with a local accent?

@@3xceIIent When you look at the screen at the moment he said it, the office is situated in Kanata, Ontario whilst what was said is Ontario, Canada

@@3xceIIent I love the channel and I was being genuine, though I see now it was probably a funny coincidence of his accent and the fact that John VanderZwet lives in Kanata, which has a pronunciation sneakily similar to Canada. The IPA for Kanata is /kaˈna.ta/ (stress on 2nd syllable), while for Canada it's /ka.na'da/ (stress on 3rd syllable), and in North American English a single 't' is pronounced as a 'd'. As such, "Canada" and "Kanata" are mostly distinguished by the syllable stress. Don't worry this was just me being local :D

Point of Order, Kanata's been a de jure far burb for the last 21 years, and before it was just a de facto far burb.

There's a big problem with concepts - they're not reality. As it turns out, "do anything" just means there's no structure, therefore no gameloop, therefore interminable grind and boredom. You see it in every game that ever tries this. You want a believable world where everyone's doing a job? Great. You are going to get people to play hot dog vendors, garbage collectors and so on how, exactly? The US has to import desperate people from disaster zones to do them because the natives would rather collect a measly gov't check, and you think you can get people to *pay* for the privilege of doing this for free? It's insane.

Were you high writing this

Skyblivion comes to mind.

Rockstar maybe sooner or later

Star citizen

@@tobymacdonald5893 which has taken almost 800x the money that this game has. So even they haven't been able to do it with their actual initial funding money

​@@tobymacdonald5893People like to shit on star citizen, but they're slowly making progress.

😂 love this comment

Just one more year

He has a plan!

Or you could just go down there and burn his stolen house

Report it then

The gestopo won’t even arrest Trudeau.

They are still laughing after he said Ontario so wrong

@@number62 How many lead paint chips did you eat before getting kicked in the head by a horse?

Of course, but don't you tell KiraTV how games are made, he not only knows it, he defines it :D Then he lays down judgement by the laws he created, on anyone doing anything else but what He deemed right :D A yellow journalist who allowed himself to start barking at and biting software devs... All I have to say to people supporting him is, enjoy P2W :D

@UCANTbulAkwyoNrfgJScWSzA Well, who is he to criticize the creative process, and software dev process, in such a way and in such detail, while actually mocking what everyone who's a software engineer or even only a game dev, knows is the only way to get creative work done. And that, when you are not working in such a self driven mode, instead waiting from instuctions from seniors, then it takes 3, 4 people to do a single man's job. So, the current progress on the game, is actually beyond expected, for such an inexperienced engineer/non enineer and his team, considering that he must have gotten to there through persistant trial and error, redesigns because design ddn't include what was needed... by mocking the exact things he is mocking, he is offending I beleive 80% software engineers (who are used to taking shit to PTSD levels, so they don't even notice it when someone feeds it to them intentionally). And in the meantime, he is just a smearing yellow journalist, who MAKES MONEY by talking dirty about other people, and nothing else. What the author of the game is trying to do, takes balls and much effort to do, also talent, and even among M.Sc, Software engineers, only less than half would dare even try, even if funded. Most software projects FAIL and most devs are HAPPY they don't have to work on it anymore, that's software industry for you, money and effort constantly thrown away. And here this channel owner is, pissing on a guy for not giving up, and following his dream and still working on it, and at the same time purposedly doing same to everyone else trying to, with the consistent wording he uses.

I'd love to design or build games but I know my ideas aren't doable, or are extremley difficult to pull off. From ambitions ideas to the power of current tech not quite being there, I think maybe 20 or 30 years from now. Well thats provided that we at some point get an actual, real focus on physics engines instead of always trying to push visual fidelity. I love that 4k, HDR cardboard box that is stopping bullets in my shooter.

@@serbrighterunagainst9231 You are right but sadly that is just how it is.

I believe that actually is the reason. What happened was alot of kick starter games promised games and concepts, that were never made before because the tech to make them didn't exist. So to make the game you promised you have to essentially have an entire R&D division devoted to figuring out how to solve the issues with what you promised, this is a lot of money. The only reason StarCitizen is still going is because of the sheer amount of funding, it allows them to take their time and research the technology required to make the game happen. Games Like StarCitizen and Identity truly do require half a billion dollars and a decade or 2 of research to make that's why nobody attempts it.

If you got good ideas and think you can implement them then start now, spend however much time you have doing other things like watching yt or social media and spend them working on a game, fleshing out the concepts and then working in engine. Create a demo/vertical slice and get it out there for free, get feedback and iterate until the core is solid enough and then try and get funding, if you can secure it too then you should be able to work on it full time and even hire others too

@@sinelacico823 yeah I have been already as to the time I’m talking is relative to how much time I can dedicate to it specifically. An hour or two a week is about all I get.

Their was an art gallery with paintings in it and custom clothing designs not defending but their was more.