Idk Villain isnt repping much here. Only like KQ/KT/QT for flushes, and all of those might be flop raises a good portion of time. Loses to 2 combos left of AJs, and 6 combos of sets, which also might be raised off good portion of time. Beating 3 combos of QTs that bluff here. I wonder if villain ever gets here with AK/AQ at some frequency and goes all in when checked to or that would likely take a smaller sizing. Like you pointed out though, what other bluffs do they have? They would have to be turning 9x or Jx into a bluff, which you really don't see people do often enough in live poker. Also, the large turn bet really condenses villains range and should fold out everything but strong draws and Jx+. I think fold is probably fine, but I think this had was played really poorly overall, and shows how little hero thinks about playing OOP and is just kinda clicking aggressive buttons without thinking.

I don't think it's a clear fold. The board blocks a lot of the suited cards that the villain could call a three bet with preflop, especially if the villain is somewhat tight. I think there are only 2-5 possible flushes here for the villain (K-10, 10-8, and 8-7 are debatable whether or not the villain calls with those hands preflop). And those hands would probably raise the small flop bet some of the time. I think that K-Q and Q-10 both make sense as bluffs for the villain. If they call the turn bet, they're bluffing the river 100% of the time if they're checked to on a spade (that doesn't give them top pair). It becomes a question of whether or not the villain is playing A-J off suit, and if the villain is betting those hands for value on the river. And how many flushes the villain can actually have. Against a weaker opponent, this is a fold. But the caller's description of this villain gives him a pretty thin value range in my opinion. So I'd be tempted to call if I think he's not calling with K-10 preflop and he's not betting A-J for value on the river.

Villian isnt repping much? LOL @@TheNow_Now

I wouldn't say a clear fold but based on texture and how the hand played out, esp hero's pot sized turn bet, I think it's fair to say villain expects hero to have a hand real here and is looking for a call, so I could find a fold for sure. I do question folding based on the price we're getting, which I think was over 2-1, and whether or not villain turned his hand into a bluff by using the A as a scare card, which it was cause of flush, even though it helped hero, which I don't think villain was counting on. My question for hero is could villain have played QQ this way, as not everyone insta 4b's QQ, esp in position. Or QJs, which could easily be played the same way by villain and calling the turn bet. He might've been playing defense with TP and evaluating the river, and when checked to with the scare card, thought he had fold equity in shoving as his only chance to win.

@@TheMightyDoon I'm just saying, in a 3b pot, for this sizing on the river, they don't have that many hands that will go for that size. All of their 1p hands likely don't take this sizing, so theyre repping 2p+ or bluffs

Agreed. He painted himself in a corner there.

But he had AK! Don't you know that hand is magic?? lol

Yes. When most live players 3-bet pre-flop and get called, they don’t have a checking range on the flop. They c-bet 100% - and that’s just wrong.

@@EllieBanks333why do people do that? I keep seeing nitty players online playing like

@@Bumder Because it's magic, doncha know.... 🤣

I used to have a YT channel (different account) on how to improve your play in a particular PVP video game. One of the points I used to emphasize is that when you're trying to improve, you need to be focused about it. You need to pick one thing - maybe two - and focus on it until it is part of your repertoire. Too often people try to improve their whole game at once, and that'll never be successful. There is too much information to process. Obviously I don't know if that's your problem or not, but I'm betting it is! Good luck!

I think hero loses quite often & that folding is the safe play. A quality villain can bet anything he arrives with, since he knows her does not have the flush.

It’s only awkward if you are not well-studied in that spot.

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Not 3 betting AK is terrible though and if you're not doing that you're likely not even semi-bluffing at all, which will get you eaten alive by half decent players at 2/5+. The takeaway for this hand is that you really should have a robust checking range oop, and AK is 100% just not a triple barrel off in this situation. For example, this spot should be a 50% check on flop, his AK specifically should be a 40% check. On turn, after he gets called, most of his AK becomes a check, and his hand specifically is a 100% check. People are scared to 'check' bc then people will know that they dont have anything good, but that is just because almost all live players are nowhere close to being balanced. Put in some significant volume against decent regs and you'll realize how important it is to have a very strong checking range/strategy oop, esp in 3b pots.

Yes bring your overall win rate down to handle variance in a specific situation is a solid strategy

Why would it be better to instead play a pot out of position against a villain with a virtually uncapped range (and probably a third player comes in, too)? Sure, the pot is smaller, but you're even less aware of what you could be up against. It's simply awful to flat AK pre to a single raise.

@@KZfaqaidsreal thats not good advice, that's just nitty OMC poker. If you're gonna play like that stick to micro stakes & 1/2. Not 2/5 200BB deep lol

I find it interesting how the comment section here is like the forums, where opinions are routinely confused with fact. Not one question as far as balancing raising and checking, or what other hands can be raised to balance the big pairs. Cause thats where the real discussion is. Not the "If you never raise here you must never semi-bluff" which is a moronic statement.

If villain is a good, thinking player, he really shouldnt have any combos though of KJo/QJo in a 3b pot though, so I would heavily discount those options.

Maybe KsJx and QsJx should be turned into bluffs. But are they often enough? It’s also possible he folds a lot of those combos preflop. KJo and QJo aren’t exactly doing great vs a 3 bet range.

V does not need a spade. Hero never has the flush here.

​@@TheNow_Now this. the only logical bluff combo here is KQo with a spade, and I honestly think the Q of spades might not pull the trigger as much. K of spades definitely has to.

@@EllieBanks333 exactly. (flush blocker) Irrelevant thing. (BTW, since when ONE spade blocks other 10??!)

Lol

Just gotta hammer that shit all three streets as long as it's not super wet. Sell the overpair. Source: I am a losing player absolutely do not listen to me

What if your check told them they could bluff you off your hand, but your check was actually lying? Not with AK ui but with other stuff you would take to showdown including some monsters. Also a few reverse floats you can bluff on later streets...

@@YourPalJamieEllis Me too. I like to randomize a bit here. Sometimes I play too weak and check/fold. Other times I represent the overpair but they don't believe me because the board is too wet for an overpair to keep betting so they call down with a random middle pair putting me on AK or AQ

Player and table image dependent. Sometimes the solver loses ya know. It’s designed to break even against players that play perfectly. GTO is good when playing against opponents better than you and then you have to ask why you’re in that game?

Yeah that was my though. In fact K of spades is the one card that is the most likely to be in opponents hand after the all in.

thought about this while watching. the problem is though you have to be doing that with hands like Kx of spades (flush) in order for it to work.

No replies to this post lol? The forum mentality here was exposed by how Alex Fitzgerald, who was crushing online years ago and yet getting destroyed by the lemmings on 2+2. Now Alex is one of the most respected voices out there.

I think the 3bet pre is ok but I'd put AK no spade in my flop check range with hands like AA or TT. Hands with less showdown value like QK AQ A10s would be better flop bets and barrels to provide some bluffs for balance with value bets like sets, top pair, overpairs AK USUALLY wants to get to showdown cheap and sometimes win against AQ QK etc, where as hands like QK wants to get folds from hands like AK AQ

Kk

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I agree, I think he probably raises a combo draw on the flop pretty often, but just calls the small flop bet when he has just a straight draw. I could definitely see KQ taking this line. Unfortunately, this is also exactly how I would play pocket jacks if I were the villain, too.

Are people really calling overbets on the turn?

I also considered this but here is the problem - does this hand really want to call on turn? Yeah it is a nut blocker on river, but not on the turn. Then he'd have to make the choice of turning his top pair into a bluff on the river - it seems unlikely that he'd both call turn AND bluff river with a hand like that.

@@newstandardaccountthe thing to consider is we block the front door. No AK or KQ of spades is available, plus we’re at top pair plus strong kicker. I can see the call on the turn forsure, since we’re blocking top set to the river, and the only hand we’re ever worried about on the second barrel is a set of 9s. I definitely think KJ with K of spades would take this line, flat calling turn and bluffing river.

@@Cesshiphop you're saying that if you're the villain and you have KJo with the King of spades, you are blocking AK/KQ spades? That's a good point. I'm not sure though there are enough bluffs like that to justify a call from hero but I see your point.

One other point as I think about this - this goes to Bart's point early in the video - how many people take hands that have showdown/thin value, and turn them into bluffs? I don't really play so I don't know, but I suspect it doesn't happen often.

Gus is playing? Bart's surname is Hanson.

Is there a reason to check back KJ here? What size would you value bet with 70% of pot remaining in front of you?

Representing a flush by ripping without the Ac as a blocker is criminal

Usually LAG especially younger guys.

It doesn’t matter. I called In Monday and Bart didn’t ask if there was a reveal.

Mohegan is 2.5hrs from where I live.

@@CrushlivePoker I play there like once a month and get free weekday nights at the hotel up the butthole. Check it out sometime!

it's not new it comes from the 2+2 forums at least 15 year ago