About paladins: "We just wanted to make paladins dps more boring than starting at your ceiling"

"Paladins originally had 4 abilities that could only be used on undead, which are useless for about 90% of the game" Keep in mind that in the beta, forsaken players were considered undead instead of humanoids. So a Paladin could absolutely destroy a forsaken player in PvP.

I'm not gonna lie man, I used to watch your Top 10 creepy wow videos a few years back when I was hunting TLPD I was in a behavioral facility last year for suicidal behaviors and lost my PC due to it. Watching your videos reminds me of how happy I was playing wow, and makes me remember that even if it's just a silly video game, sometimes they can shape how you feel. Your videos, because of the happiness wow gave me, makes me so happy. I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your videos. Never change

Many of thsese spells have their origins in WC3 like ethereal form

Shaman: *has unique and useful abilities* Blizzard: I'm about to end this mans whole career

The "seal of rightiousness" icon comes from warcraft 3, where the Mountain King hero unit had and ability called "Stormbolt" with that exact icon. The ability itself worked basically as paladin stun we have today with some good damage. That unit also had "Thunderclap" that got into wow as a warrior ability unchanged, a passive "Bash" that gave him a random proc to do more damage and stun on autoattacks, and an ultimate "Avatar" that game him a ton of hp, some armor, spell immunity and a good bit of extra dps for a short period

Shadow Word: Befuddle having "shadow word" in it is also an indication that it was meant for shadow priests

Befuddle sounds like a Dragon Quest spell.

Something interesting I found out in the game files is that feign death was shown to be associated with the rogue class. Even to this day the feign death icon has rogue before it .

Well, practically Thunderbolt got into game. Warrior has a talent Stormbolt and it does same thing. + stun

Codex: Lich Form Classes: Gunther Arcanus Required level: 90 Too bad he didn’t find it yet...

Ability name: Magical magey magic spell of magic magey mageyness hirumaredx: There is a tiny probability of maybe potentially this possibly being eventually at some point a mage spell

Thunder bolt uses the art and acts like the storm bolt from wc3, except it doesnt stun.

Couldn't sleep that is the best youtube random scrolling in a while !

Really weird motivation for the paladin, seeing as Crusader Strike was added in TBC and the Seal system didn't disappear until many expansions later. Tbh, it feels *odder* that the paladin has such a limited martial arsenal, considering they are (lorewise) knights with holy powers, not priests who bulked up enough to wear plate.

Call Storm was actually changed and given to druids as a spell called "Hurricane" - Same visuals and channeled for the duration. Like Hunter Volley.

ret paladins would've been awesome if they didn't scrap those abilities.

“Lets remove fun, flavorful, unique, and interesting abilities. Did we miss anything? A class will simply be the highest form of fantasy attainable in the game.”

Seals as glowing enchants on a paladin weapon would've been a great idea.

Don't play classic wow, but I really enjoy watching you explain how much more creative blizzard was back in the day

To anyone wondering about the icon spell names because they weren't talked about for some of the spells: Blind (Shadow Word: Befuddle) icon name is spell_shadow_mindsteal. I have no idea what Mind Steal is Anti Magic Shield (Holy Ward) icon file name is spell_shadow_antimagicshell Hibernation (Sleep) icon file name is spell_nature_sleep Ancestral Spirit (Ethereal Form) icon file name is actually spell_nature_regenerate. Regenerate is of the racials for normal trolls for all you Allys Cooking Fire/Cozy Fire (Molten Blast) icon file name is spell_fire_fire

10:59. Ethereal Form is probably inspired by WC3's Spirit Walker.

I love abilities that have bonuses against certain mob types. Was pretty sad when they effectively removed them. Also a good chunk of these are based off unit abilities from WC3.

A few days ago i saw someone who made thumbnails simillar to yours, and before checking it out i was beginning to think ill have a second revelation. Like when i discovered you have a yu gi oh channel after watching your wow content for some time.

7:20 the gnome does a 360 snipe

There are some mobs in SFK that have the ability Shadow Word: Befuddle. Think it's the Sons of Arugal

first thing i thought seeing group astral recall was the trolling potential

Is the totem itself invisible? Cause if not I see some limits to it's effectiveness :)

Sleep did make it into the game as a form of CC for warlocks back in MoP when you had Metamorphosis that transformed your abilities into their "Demon" form, which did transform fear into sleep which worked somewhat like a fear but didn't make you run in circles and was much harder to break on damage

Countdown to Classic is a great Podcast FYI :)

Morning. Edit: Group HS imagine the trolling possibilities lol

Call storm would have been really cool for the elemental shaman's flavour

Fun fact the lightning storm icon has existed since the days of reign of chaos and it wasn't used in there either it was going to be a far seer ability but was later scrapped

Great video! I think, I haven't actually watched it yet.

Wait… I remember astral recall when leveling my Shaman in 2006. I specifically remember being asked to use it for the group in Deadmines. Not trying to be a stickler.. just interesting and curious. Might wanna check on that!

The icons also look more fitting to their old abilities.

"Codex of Mind Rot" Can't believe Beta World of Warcraft predicted Twitter

In regards to Trip, some dwarves outside uldaman also use it

Group astral recall seems like it could be used to troll unless it asked players if they wanted to teleport

Very well made video Hiru!

Also note that the icon for Holy Ward was reused for warlock's Ritual of Doom. Which requires a party of 5 players and randomly kills one to summon a doomguard. Which imo is much cooler than the retail version where you cast Curse of Doom and when it expires there is a tiny chance to summon one. If Curse of Doom even exists in the live version of the game anymore, idk.

Trip was clearly meant to be an ability for druid cat-form. As any cat owner will attest, cats think getting under your feet near the stairs and/or when you are carrying something heavy is the height of mirth.

In W3 was Spirit Walker (Ethereal). Those were Tauren casters in Ethereal Form (avoid physical damage). So Blizz copy past skill from TFT ;)

Remember when thrall threw his hammer at mannoroth in that one cinematic where grom kills mannoroth? I think that's what they were were trying to do with thunderbolt for shamans.

Dope video 👍

For those who don't know the Thunderbolt ability was most likely modeled after an ability Thrall used during the cinematic against Mannoroth

It would be nice to see the abilities hero units used on warcraft 3 and how many of those were transfered to wow and to what class.

The troll potential for group astral recall

Nice work. We need more like this! :D

just a curious question, at 11:15 what is that axe transmog you are using for that pally?

People need to understand that even if they had put Holy/Crusader Strike into the game, ret paladins would have still been bad because of itemization. All their abilities scale off holy/spell damage and until AQ40/Naxx there are next to no items for them. That and the fact that spamming those 2 abilities would oom them just like a boomkin.

This was a cool video, I like these beta info vids!

Trash in Armory still has the OG Crusader Strike!

Thunderbolt uses the same icon as Stormbolt from Warcraft 3, btw.

Invisibility totem is actually used by Thrall in the scenario where you rescue Baine with Saurfang to sneak past the guards.

We finally got to see ben Bainmaine when you were talking about paladins lol

Bruh that invisibility totem would hve been amazing in pvp.

For number 2 a similar ability to what shamanes had was added in legion as well as aspect of the turtle. it is basically the same thing but the time is reduced to 8 seconds

Nice video, but you should have looked at WC3 abilities. Thunderbolt and Ethereal form are clearly from Warcraft 3

When you show Invisibility Totem there's another totem called agitating totem, was it just an early version of Stoneclaw Totem or something different? Also, i remember using wayback machine to look up very early versions of allakhazam (which people used before thottbot, which was before wowhead) and it showed a hunter ability called glimpse of instincts or something like that, and another ability called lend pet, this might be material for another video.

It's actually not at odd at all that an icon would be shared by many different abilities and have a name of an ability that doesn't exist anymore. As a programmer, you need to keep en eye on memory usage and code maintainability. So you'd reuse the same icon at every opportunity to save space. Once you've named that asset , and used it in your code, you don't want to go around changing things because you'd have to change it everywhere it appears and things can get convoluted. So it'd keep the first (or nearly) name you ever gave it, even if that ability doesn't exist anymore.

@hirumaredx in regards to trip a knock down is its own different type of CC and was until MoP or whenever they removed the warrior Throwdown ability that was given in cataclym. Knockdowns differed from stuns in that they were not pvp trinketable until blizzard made them so at a later date. If I remember correctly.

wait but there's a potion of holy protection that you can pick up at a low level

I'm not buying that reason for removing all those damage spells for paladins. If you look at the list of abilities under Ret on Classic it's so painfully obvious they simply gutted it because they either couldn't think of a way or run out of time to balance it. Even with something like a 12 second cooldown Crusader Strike would have helped hugely in making Ret actually half decent to play, and just put it at the bottom of the Ret tree instead of that crappy Repentance.

I need to say Befuddle more :P

the icon for the trip ability also is used for the gnome racial escape artist

I played beta and I remember some of these abilities. Pallys were a mess back then. Even upon release the seal system was horrible to play with

Fck I want Thunderbolt O.O In fact, it's the ability that Thrall uses against Mannoroth in the Orc Campaign end cutscene! :O I always wanted to do that with my Doomhammer, but they didn't give me such beautiful skill =( And look at all those removed shaman skills... Lightning Storm seems like a beautiful spell :')

About Holy Ward, i wanted to just point that you can absorb holy damage. In classic / vanilla versions, you can get the Holy Protection potion ( classic.wowhead.com/item=6053/recipe-holy-protection-potion ), which would give you a shield that absorbs holy damage only. I doubt it was because they didn't wanted you to absorb holy damage and leave it as a pure damage instead.

They were placeholder abilities, they needed buttons to push while running around in beta, unlike release paladins, they didn't need any buttons other than seals and judgement.

Man, I remember wondering about that Wing Clip icon. It didn't make much sense to me. Now I get it :D Edit: o, yep. Also wondered about Seal of Righteousness having a random flying hammer icon before.

Mind Rot would be really cool if it would drain mana each time the target casts a spell. Then slap a 2-3 min CD on it and priests would have a cool ability that would Change the enemies playstyle for a short time

8: The icon is taken from warcraft 3, the origin of a lot of old icon names could indeed be tracked back to wc3, and this is one of many examples, the Human race hero Dwarven mountain king had Stormbolt, which the icon and effect/missile was named thunderbolt. 7: Mind Rot still exists in wc3 but its unused for any unit or hero. it has the same effect as you said, but as its unused it wasn't clear which unit was it intended for. Mana burn: its weird to me how do priests have mana burn because originally in warcraft 3 the night elf hero demon hunter or illidan has this ability, alongside the Fel Stalkers. 5: the icon of holy ward is used for undead unit Banshe in wc3 and its called Anti Magic Shell, originally it used to block a certain number of spell and magic damage to a target but another version that the units have to date is to just make them completely immune to spell and magic. 4: Side note, i'm almost 100% sure the stormbolt icon is just placeholder, but that aside, Paladins and Death Knights in warcraft 3 indeed to cancel eachother. with the most obvious example being Holy Light: which can heal non undead allies and damage undead for half the amount that's healed, and Death Coil: which can heal only undead, but deal half the damage to any non undead living units. 3: Sleep belongs to the Undead race hero the Dreadlord which does the same thing, except it makes the target invulnerable for 3 seconds and after that the effect can be interrupted if someone attacks the unit. (including friendlies which is how people counter the ability) 2: Yes Ethereal form is a shaman ability, the Tauren spirit walkers in warcraft 3 have this ability. and to add to it, any unit that gains ethereal status in wc3 takes increased damage from spells and magic attack type. and receives more healing. 1: about Lightning Storm: icon is called Call Storm, and originally in the beta of warcraft 3 the orc units apparently had what's known now the orc Warlocks that you only see in the campaigns. and instead of the Witch doctor/Shaman/Spirit walker, one of those units was the Warlock (or atleast it used the model of what's now known as warlock) which had this Call Storm ability and there are picture from it that can be seen in beta wc3 cover art.

Wonder of group astral recall was also meant to work on the whole raid too, and as a whole it's no mystery why it was removed, because it's a massive troll ability!! Kind of like how mages can troll with the portals but on a bigger scale! Scenario 1: Get all 40 people to the raid then enter. Funny shaman casts a sneaky group astral recall. Scenario 2: A shaman can effectively hold the whole group as hostage like " Give me the that item, or i teleport everyone home" Kicking the shaman doesn't work, because the ability would have been bugged and still teleport everyone back!!

Cries in Paladin

I would like to see something about the changes from vanilla until now. What was meta before and now? How did the focus of the game change during that time? What changed the game drastically?

"I could tell it's for priests" No shit, it says shadow word

Polymorph was definitely different from Warcraft 2 then in wow. In Warcraft 2 polymorph also did damage to the enemy's who was a sheep.

Me seeing the beginning "YOU MANIACS, YOU BLEW IT UP, DAMN YOU- GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL"

That crusader strike ability would have made pallies stupid tough. Pallies are the only class I've ever gotten to max level, despite being the slowest to level. But that crusader strike... woah boy. Deals instant low cost Holy damage, with a stackable debuff that increases the holy damage the target takes? That single target dps would be just plain scary.

We had lightning storm as druids

7:43 what about chaos damage? It crits or deals more damage most of the times because it deals every damage school and targets your lowest resistance. It also ignores most shields.

What song did you use from around 3:00?

Shaman was already insanly powerfull at the start of vanila... With all these stuff, it would be extremely stupid.

What is that awesome chiptunes music in the end??

Trip also uses elite dwarf mob in front of Uldaman dungeon.

Molten Blast isnt the chain lighting when u use the Talent Ascendent?

11:00 didn't know goblins were playable in beta...

Need to bring back true damage for holy abilities and spells.

Thunderbolt + Weapon Chain = Marvel's Thor

The icon they used is same name as . Saved you all some time just there.

I think the mountain king (heroic class muradin is based on wc3) has an ability that throws his hammer and stun a little bit the enemies, son that thunderbolts sounds a lot like that.

Vanilla Hearthstone actually had a 24h cooldown. Then it was changed to 16h

4:58 this may just be because it's the icon for the Thunderbolt ability in W3

12:40 Astral Recall was given to Shaman, but the HS effect was just for themselves. Still exists.

Should've kept thunderbolt for ench shamans since that's how Thrall attacks in war3. Instead it's palas carrying mk nerfed ability

Dude, Shamans are already pretty op in Classic, but apparently in the old beta they were god incarnate lol Might as well have been the first Hero Class.

Ethereal form is just like Ethereal blade or Ghost sceptre in dota 2, while you are immune to physical attacks you also can not deal physical attack but you also take increased magic damage.

Plz do CC tips for 5 man because there alot people who dont know how to CC right and maybe show what class can CC. Like the video btw

Skillshots on Muradin are best in the video, haha!