The only thing I'll say about Octavion is that while his death is annoyingly unfortunate, preventable and so so close to not happening his last conversation with the Doctor is masterfully written. Dr: I'm sorry. I wish I'd known you better. Oc: I think, sir, you knew me at my best.

All I can think of when watching this is poor Peck the Hath in “The Doctor’s Daughter”. Martha didn’t need to fall into the mud pit. Peck didn’t need to go in after her.

I think the bus driver's death was necessary from the audience's viewpoint -- we, the viewers, needed evidence that the portal was fatal; therefore, *some* living being had to be sacrificed. That said, the script could have shown the Doctor trying harder to prevent it.

I’d like to nominate Issac from A Town Called Mercy as he sacrificed himself to the gunslinger to save his friend but his friend ended up getting killed anyway!

Not gonna lie I low-key tear up when Octavian dies. Something about his death I find really powerful. Excellent character and an excellent performance by Iain Glen. One of my favourite supporting characters in the show.

Damn, it’s rough when you get so much wrong in the first minute, it makes me want to comment. Lucy’s death is what made the masters reincarnation go wrong. The Doctor even says so, that’s why his metabolism is going so fast the master is using his life force, also using his life force for the new powers he has.. lightning fists. If she did nothing the master would of been fully restored by the people who gave their life force to bring him back. And then the master would of tormented Lucy again or killed her. Her death by messing up his reincarnation is not pointless. Also if she didn’t die, they would of had to incorporate her as the masters unwilling servant into the story. Her death and what it caused set up a good portion of that 2 part episode. If she did nothing to intervene and the master came back and killed her in the spot. Then her death would be pointless, but wait even then it wouldn’t be. Because she had to be there because she had some of the masters DNA. On her? In her? They don’t really say, they just wipe her lips and have the masters DNA even tho I think the episode says it had been quite some time since his death.

Honestly, most doctor who deaths are for no reason. They're either "oh people are dying, this is dangerous!" Or "oh they died, I'll be sad for a minute before going about my day"

Some of these deaths serve as a “visible consequence” for an action taken or failed to take so the audience knows something can’t be done a certain way, Like the Bus Driver walking through the portal, he does the thing, burns to a crisp, we as an audience know they can’t walk through the portal. While it was verbally explained, show it don’t tell it works better in this instance IMO

I love how they start off number 6 by saying "although he comes back a few episodes later"

In the book of "Earthshock" the reason why the Doctor is unable to save Adric is explained in more detail: the freighter, as it's travelling back through time, is phasing in and out at random. This, combined with the damage to the console, means the TARDIS can't materialize onboard in time to save Adric.

Saw the thumbnail "Hey that's the guy from GoT!" Thanks Sean

I died for you Doctor. Dr ( Sorry Ricky ). Micky ( Its Micky ). Dr ( No it isn't ). Lol.

To be fair, though, Ambrose's dad was dying from the Silurian poison, & she was trying to force Alaya to tell her how to cure it. Plus, Alaya was a zealot who actually wanted to die in order to spark a war.

1:03 Did you forget that the Master literally saved The Doctor with those powers. So without Lucy The Doctor would have been killed

I actually got the signature from the actor who plays Dorium from a con I went to in 2013, was pretty cool to see him there considering I had no idea he was even present at the con.

Ambrose made a very poor choice when she confronted Alaya, but it wasn't unbelievably stupid, just the kind of stupid that stressed and off-balance people display very often. Her son and husband were abducted and she had no good reason to believe the Doctor could rescue them. From her (shaky) POV, it was better to try to use the means she had.

You could also include Lynda from Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways as a death for no reason.

Sixth Doctor to the two guys in the acid bath: "You'll excuse me if I don't join you!". That's when I decided to like him! Good episode overall too.

Never mind The Doctor stalling to get Father Octavian grabbed... they have said a million times that the weeping angels turn to stone when being seen. The Doctor could literally have just broken that angel's arm off freeing him from the grasp.

I'd also like to nominate Mrs.Moore from Tennants era, she'd just helped solve a big clue in the case of how to stop the cybermen while crouched down, stood up and was killed, with Tennant just pulling a face. unnecessary imo

I can't remember his name, but the other scientist in praxeus who worked with suki died for literally no reason. His death wasn't even acknowledged

I like to think that 'pointless' deaths are actually very important. Perhaps the person who died would either have had children (or at least influence a child) who might grow up to be a saint...or a monster (if not that kid, perhaps one of their descendants). Perhaps the very existence of the 'pointless character' at a certain location, at a certain time might defect 'fate' from affecting some other person for good or bad...they literally were 'in the way'. Time, itself, might be using the Doctor to do a little tidying up, so to speak.

Here's an unnecessary death: The deaths in resurrection of the Daleks. But wouldn't the doctor be caught sneaking away from the acid bath? I can still picture him fighting the two guards as they try to grab him.

Adric's unnecessary death was due to him deciding to hop out of the escape elevator at the last second, can't put that one of the Doc.

Adric's death could have been avoided if he had just stayed in the escape pod instead of running back to the console

I tend to see most of these deaths as "oh thats the threat this week then"

Sorry Octavian, I tried my best buddy :(

Ah yes Alaya died for "no reason", it's not like the entire plot of Cold Blood revolves around her murder

Never got over mrs morris’ death in age of Steele. Her death was unnecessary and she was a brilliant character. Big finish do your thing!?…

Good to see you care about the old seasons

When Dorian gets killed, there was a rumour saying, it should’ve been Jack from torchwood, but would’ve set up him for being the face of Boe. I can’t find where I saw this info, but it’s because he wasn’t available for the filming of the episode

6:04 I think that referring to a story that only has 3 out of 12 episodes intact (3 out of 13 if you want to count Mission to the Unknown) as "partially missing" is a bit of an understatement.

IIRC in Earthshock the spaceship Adric blows up on is said to be the "asteroid" the wiped out the dinosaurs. Seems to me that would mean the Doctor couldn't save the ship without wiping out most of history. Tegan would have ceased to exist for sure if humanity never happened, so he'd have lost a companion one way or the other. :)

The episode "Kerblam! is concrete support for the hypothesis that any character who wears a high vis in Doctor Who is going to die.

The ship Adric was one was moving backward in time preventing an easy landing.

Lucy's death was necessary, it's the reason the masters resurrection wasn't complete hence the time Lords saying they wouldn't take him back as he was "diseased" which led to the master turning on the time Lords and helping the doctor completing his "arc" so to speak

Dr. Isaacs got his fate here too.. :D :D

Maybe do a " 10 unceremonious deaths" video. For example, that big guy from the Titanic episode who died because the metal bent... That was a dick way to kill him off.

0:34 uhm... the potion was the reason that the master kept turning into a skeleton and he kept eating everything, he was much more vulnerable as he was between life and death

They all go to the darkness to meet duroc and hearing the voices of the dead

Okay so I’d just like to point out one thing; on numerous videos I’ve heard it said the Doctor did nothing to save Adric, but I watched Earthshock again the other day: YES HE DOES! The Doctor is attempting to use the Tardis to save him yet the Tardis is damaged by the Cybermen and he can’t. He’s even shouting “I must save Adric” The Doctor legitimately did try

I watched only a few episodes of the 5th Doctor, but maybe the reason why the Doctor didn't save adric is because he doesn't know how to precisely land the Tardis and fly the it perfectly, but only the older versions can

The only comment I can make re Adric’s death is that he was meant to die and if The Doctor had rescued him, there would have been a person alive that shouldn’t have been. But of course, it is open for all sorts of debates.

5:40 now, I've not watched this episode, but disarmed does not equate to harmless... I know this is a different series but like, look at a wookiee from Star Wars, sure they carry bowcasters, but if you take that away, they're still a mountain of a creature who can rip your arms off

To be fair, Ambrose was worried about her family, her husband and son were kidnapped and her father was infected by Silurian venom and possibly dying, some people in her position might have done the same thing

That old guy who blew up Gallifrey in the Timeless Children. If the Dr is now immortal she could have done it.

What's particularly stupid about Adric's death is the fact that the TARDIS is a *time machine*. Leave that point in time as Adric is dying, repair the TARDIS, *then* go back and save him. Sheesh.

Death needs no rhyme or reason to happen. Everything can change in an instant.... Every second for every person could be the end. Death has no reason.

The freighter Adric was on was also falling back through time, which made it a doubly difficult moving target to hit with a damaged TARDIS.

Wait but the doctor materialized the Tardis around Captain Jack as well when his ship is about to explode.

I see the Third Doctor shooting those guys in hindsight Being a good way to show how the doctor has changed over time and become a better person

A random thought: I think that Maldovar's actor would be a very nice Doctor!

There is a perfectly valid reason for all these characters to die… _It was in the script_

Day of the Daleks: Two unnamed UNIT guards patrolling the grounds outside the estate ; Shura (one of the resistance guerrillas from the future) disintegrated them without a reason when the guerrillas were supposed to be maintaining stealth. The Green Death: The coal miners Hughes, Dai Evans and Bert each (stupidly) touched the glowing green slime dripping down the mine wall - one of the most easily avoided deaths in the show's entire history. Similarly in The Ark In Space, Noah/Lazon goes down into the power and becomes infected by the Wirrn maggot after stunning the 4th Doctor who was trying to warn him about the danger there. The Claws of Axos: Pigbin Josh (vagrant) walks up to what is clearly something alien, gets dragged inside and literally has the life sucked out of him, leaving a husk. In the same story, Winser, the nuclear research scientist, tries to open the light accelerator chamber when there is clearly something dangerous happening inside, and is consumed/transformed by the Axonite. [This is just for a start - the list is endless]

I have to admit I disagree with the first one, without Lucy Saxons sacrifice the master would have been fully resurrected, as the doctor himself said "your resurrection went wrong, your body's ripped open" He was dead/dying already, it was just a case of how many he took with him, all because of her 😊

Ah yes Kerblam one of only two decent season 37 episodes (the other being the opener).. but yeah no denying the end is so stupid it definitley knocks the episode down a few notches

Given that Adric's death occurs around the extinction event that kills off the dinosaurs, my headcanon theorizes that trying to save hi. Would risk a fixed point in time.

Wait a second didn't #3 end with all of the deaths being undone and the angels simply not existing anymore?

death of adrick I think is what made the saving possible. Like the doctor learned more from that and thought up ideas to keep such a thing from happening again. but that is just my hope.

It wasnt unnecessary but Clara's death in face the raven was so unbelievably stupid. Also, the Doctor and Rose leaving Adam Mitchell was just cruel, yes he made a mistake and was greedy but that's human nature

I'm 42 seconds in, and ... the potion did nothing? It was the thing that prevented the Master from being brought back fully, which motivated his entire set of actions in the story. "So hungry" and all that. It also seemed to be why he was giving off energy the way he did, which enabled him to respond to Rassillon at the end of the story. So ... the entire story turned on Lucy Saxon's use of the potion.

Kerblam pissed me off... the Doctor goes on a rant about saving lives and then just straight up murders this boy. Thirteen is the worst.

You and I have different ideas with regards to whether there's a point to the deaths of the characters

Lucy's death wasn't for nothing. It was made clear that her intervention was why the Master came back in a dying state.

it's easier to consider 13th doctor a fan made lecture designed to ruin the show than actual cannon

"Voyage of the Damned" Where he crashed into the Titanic and Kylie Minogue died!

I always understood Lucy Saxon's actions as being the reason his resurrection went wrong as the Doctor said. But maybe I'm wrong.

I disagree with Lucy's death being pointless, serves to make the master more desperate which suits rassalons evil plans even better, he also shoots rassalon in the chest as they go back to the time war, striking down on him for the message in the first place,which he couldn't have done otherwise

Iain Glenn made Octavian the fan favourite he was in his one episode. And I'm not just saying that because of how incredible he was in GoT. Give basically any other actor that role and I don't know if he resonates as well.

Adric needs to come off this list as there was a reason, so the audience don't need to worry about him coming back!

Adrics death. The console was damaged more then normal. Also I don’t think he knew how to materialise around someone back then.

God Complex... Ryta...

Damn, Seàn! Why is it that you do 80% of all the videos? I hope you are making a lot of money.

I was so confused that alaya died cause it looked like she was hit with a taser

Astrid should be here... she didnt have to drive off the ledge she could have jumped off the lift cart before hand not killing herself!!

I always thought why did they leave charlie

Would Adric's death technically be a fixed point though? Considering that the ship is supposed to be the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs...right?

You forgot the careers of any actor appearing in series 11 or 12!

Gotta say...at least some of these aren't pointless or stupid. They're just emotional humans acting emotionally...which can definitely be an emotional beat for the audience and a very realistic way for characters to be portrayed.

You forgot the Sixth Doctor!!! 😬

The Doctor wasn't in any way or form responsible for the bus driver. As with Sara Kingdom, the Doctor warned the bus driver (among all the others) about the dangers of the portal. The driver wasn't rational enough to heed this warning, eventhough he clearly saw, what the thing did with his bus. Come on, walking through that unprotected? The BEST idea ever! Also he was a bus driver, a person, responsible for safely taking the people back home, that was his job, wasn't it? They were stranded on a strange alien planet and what did he do? Thought about HIMSELF. He saw the shortest way home, so he went and basically abandoned his passengers on an alien planet. If he survived, he should be fired from his job. Luckily he didn't.

- oh no i died aaaaah *diying sounds* - oh noooo, but why you died?!1!1?!?1!? - i died cause...i died cause i died, ok?! stop asking!!! *proceeds to die with anger*

Now in the 1st weeping angel episode I saw back in the Tenant DR. Who season when a Weeping Angel touches you your tossed back in time feeding them temporal energy . In the next Dr. season a church soldier gets a head lock by one but didn't go time poof. OOPS .

Yes, the TARDIS was damaged, and they couldn't go back right then and save Adric. It's just too bad that the TARDIS isn't a time machine, where they could have gone back and rescued Adric when they got it fixed.

The whole point of Adric's death is the ship was out of control and heading back in time. The TARDIS couldn't get a lock. And the time thing was Adric's doing as he tried to regain control.

Maybe the Doctor could go back and save Adric in a future story

The Masters Resurrection didn't completely she interrupted the completion of the sacrifices so he was needing to suck on life of random people

F in the chat

Terrance Dicks later pointed out that the 2nd Ogron had to died because it was vital to the later plot point and Katarina had to die because everybody needed to explain everything to her although the first scene she would of filmed would of been her death. Although Jamie lasted for 3-4 years as a historical companion and with adric you can't rewrite history not 1 line as the First Doctor Quotes also isn't this explained with Rose's dad in the new who.

I agree with all of these deaths.

Astrid could’ve totally jumped out of the forklift at the last minute but kylie couldn’t commit to being a full time DW companion because she was too busy being a pop megastar. Never mind, lucky David Tennant got to kiss Kylie. Mind you, lucky kylie got to be kissed by David Tennant. Win win! 😉😚

I just have to laugh when folk apply “Canon” to Dr.Who

What about Clara Oswalt , she could have easily been saved the same way the 11th doctor saved himself , a fact that has not been brought up by the doctor when he really was desperate to save her , i mean it was simple make the robot look like her and then replace her , the doctor was teleported away before he could even realised that wasn't really Clara ( not that it would have even matered since River Song thought that the robot was the doctor to begin with ) , i mean there is the posibility that Clara could save herself that way since now she has her own tardis , but still a big plothole in my opinion

Eh... One of the acid bath guards was pushed by his friend. That being said, The Doctor did kill them. Accidentally but that is still murder.

Excuse me it Venusian Akido sir🧐🧐🧐

For alaya the whole point of the episode was that she was killed

02:34 *Sighs* He didn't kill them. The guards did

forget sarah kingdom what about poor katiana. that death was far more tragic and pointless. a random criminal takes her hostage.

I actually liked the twist in Kerblam. Corporate heads are always bad guys in these stories. It was a change!

I usually don't dislike and comment but damm they really get allot wrong so fast