I really liked how Scotty pressed some keys and suddenly the formula and a nice animation pop up on the screen. movie magic. How can't you love it? His knowledge must be vast if he can use a vintage Computer with ease.

​@@thomask4978the man had no idea how to use the computer yet manage to create the formula with no problem. Maybe he truly is a miracle worker?

I say computer in a Scotty voice when it's being unresponsive

I recorded that “Hello Computer!” line and used it on my PC back in the day, to replace the sound when Windows booted up. 😎👍❤️

I prefer the "Hello, computer?" after that

I always thought this was a major problem. Removing her from the timeline where she might have been someone's ancestor, mentor, or other influence would have altered the timeline significantly. And for what? The Federation isn't wanting for scientists. There would have to be at least one person capable of seeing to the humpbacks.

​@@MrSavagemaster, I thought she had said her job WAS her life & she didn't have anyone to speak of. Or maybe I just assumed that to fill the hole.

Oops.

IMHO this doesnt even count as a star trek movie considering the setting. Undiscovered Country is my favorite

No body. No jail time.

@Kap00rwith2os, people probably saw THE HUGE DENTS IN THE GROUND FROM THE LANDING STRUTS & JUST AVOIDED THE AREA😂

But it was so cool

One of my favorite lines from that movie is, "Everybody remember where we parked!"

Just one little transition scene where someone bumps into it would have been icing.

Exactly! Well, at least Gillian did.

The distance was 600 n miles. In the few seconds after that, it's conceivable that the Enterprise would have managed to close that distance significantly.

​@@quantisedspace7047, I get what you're going for, but they were on a Klingon Bird Of Prey not The Enterprise. But yes, they could have made up the distance in a few moments.

@natecunha2795, exactly. They are on a 23rd century ship. Certainly in the future they would have devised a way to see over the horizon.

Using sensors they interacted with satellites in orbit to get a fix. Easy answer.

I agree. All the ships we see on viewscreens would be a while lot darker if it wasn't a composite image.

Edit: Majel 🖖❤️

@@brigidsingleton1596A Queen!

@@moniquebaldea9299 Absolutely. 😊🇺🇸🙂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿♥️🤗🖖

And Spiderman!

A legend to punkers and trekkies

Kirk Thatcher also wrote and sang the song from the boom box in both ST:IV and Picard :)

@@sibbywoo his own original music.

lol yeah that was pretty silly

That's why nowadays they usually use a Linux Distro

One would have thought even in the 80's that Macs would have voice control.....but sadly not.

@@andrewmurray1550 Macs were not that sophisticated back then. and they still dont have voice control 40 years later.

I am grateful to you for explaining that. I had not known prior to you saying so, where it was. (Am English and have never been to the US ) Thank you. ❤️🖖

Maybe it doesn't exist in the 23rd Century. If I recall, they did say in one of the Star Trek shows that a major earthquake did strike the area.

@@kane4228 There is also the County of Alameda which includes the cities of Alameda. Albany, Berkeley, Dublin, Emeryville, Fremont, Hayward, Livermore, Newark, Oakland, Piedmont, Pleasanton, San Leandro, and Union City.

I bet you, there is no Alameda in the 23rd Century. Might have washed away with Southern Cali where an Earth Quake broke that portion of Cali. Also, we did go through WWW3 with nukes in 2050.

@@Mr_Joe_B_619Alameda would have been a prime target during WW3 so probably didn't exist by the 23rd century

Bootstrap paradox.

So it's a predestination paradox?

We hate those. @@alm2187

I like to think Scotty knew full well who invented it and was just messing with the good doctor. 😉

Kind of a chicken and egg thing. What came first? Dr. Nichols invented it and Scotty just gave it back to him so he could invent it at an earlier time? Indiana Jones 5 has the same time issue, with Dial and Destiny meeting the creator of the Dial device in the 2nd last act in 214 BC. The duo take back their device, so that Archimedes can still invent his Dial time device knowing it already works. (just not perfectly due to continental drift).

My thoughts exactly! For reasons of safety and to prevent damage to spacedock occupants, you'd think there would be an emergency protocol in place when, in the event of complete power loss, there would be a mechanism to arrest momentum of said spacecraft. Of course an energy based mechanism would be inoperable but a inert pressurized propellant, similar to the NASA MMU or Manned Manuvering Unit that astronauts use while performing an EVA or Extra Vehicular Activity could prove effective.

A more fundamental thing annoying me about this is how everyone says they stop, even though we don't see that. We see them slowing and slightly altering their trajectory (downwards) but it cuts away before they completely stopped - so we actually have no way of assuming that they actually did. So please, talk about them slowing down and/or their trajectory being affected but stop with this "they stop" thing...

@jameshall4385...AND SPOCK IS WICKED SMART!!!

I was thinking the same thing.

Yeah, since they're slingshotting around the Sun, their whole course will have followed the path of the Sun through spacetime, not just throught space. It always baffles me that Starfleet aren't doing time travel stuff constantly since it's apparently so easy. 🤷‍♂️

I was confused by that point, because she said slingshotting around the sun would solve all of it but then still said they would have to need to catch up to the solar system. I though slingshotting around the sun would mean the reference frame for the jump would be the star and wherever it happens to be at the time you come out, you are at it.

I just assume that time warps generally stay within the gravity well they are formed in.

In the novel, it states that Kirk did not expect the beer to be real alcohol !! I thought that look on his face was perfect ! Also, in the novel, Gillian wondered why Kirk ate his slice of pizza from the crust, point outward, as if he had no idea how to eat pizza, but of course, that wouldn't work so well visually, and would have extended the scene unnecessarily !! I think of it, however, everytime I watch the film 😀❤️🖖

Scotty does seem the kind to "roll his own"😂😂😂

People in the future type faster. Remember we all type now, and when we were kids not everyone did.

Yes. When I was in high school I was riding the city bus to the public library. Probably to do my homework and get some books on the paranormal. A guy, I was sitting beside, was commenting on all the bumps in the road and sensations in his ass. I felt second hand embarrassment.

In Mexico it happens at least every 30 minutes...sometimes is the bus driver doing it, good luck in asking the bus driver to turn the damn music and then asking to get out of the bus on your intended stop...the bus driver will ignore you for about 3 kilometers or around 2 miles.

Yes, that scene is satisfying. I gave up on the bus after a few too many interesting companions. It became a safety risk.

​@@winshiftermy dad said that when he was in the US Army and was in central America they all learned a valuable lesson, NEVER take any kind of bus south of the Rio Grande, in any country.

@@williammerkel1410 In the past I would agree. Nowadays it will depend on the country. There are several cities and countries in South America that have better bus system than US. Even Mexico has better coach bus service than in US, so currently things have changed, but I would agree that in some places, you still need to be careful.

I could do with one of those tablets... I was told last year that my kidneys were only working at 15% - 16% 🤔😮😢❤️🖖

​@@brigidsingleton1596dialysis already? 😮

@@mrkitty777 I am not undergoing the (less than joys of) dialysis...it was only mentioned once, only just recently, and not (yet ?) by the Renal Consultant who treated me in Guy's Hospital last year, but instead, just a week ago by one of the GP's at our local Health Centre. I am booked in for a "Face to Face" appt. at Guy's this coming December... Prior to that, this coming Monday, I'm booked in to have a CT scan (neck to knees) to "search for causes of bleeding in my gut which has caused some anaemia... I guess I am only just finding out what conditions can accompany being a 70yo and an pretty sure I'm not going to "like" having cameras "inserted" via nose or throat...but as in 1980, I had a Barium enema (😟) at least that part of the investigation will be less of a "surprise" (🤐 lol) As a child between 8 weeks to 10 years, I caught various childhood ailments... Between 11yrs to 34yrs, I was reasonably healthy, had 5 babies, (1+2+2) lost the 1set of twins (aged 6hrs & 12hrs born at 36 weeks) had another set of twins (who lived & were 30yo yesterday) but started again being "poorly" aged 54. Gallstones* & Pancreatitis, (*gallbladder removed.) Now - last year - suffered things going wrong in digestive system, lungs, heart, kidneys... Fun eh ?!! 5 weeks in one hospital, 1 day in another (re cataracts in both eyes - fixed: 06/June/23 & 01/Sept/23) & 2 weeks in another hospital, thinking I'd be a long time trying to get home again (true 😟) Dialysis ?! Oh I do hope not... ☹️😏🤨🤔 p.s. sorry for long drawn out (& unnecessary) comment. 🤔😟❤️🖖

I thought they were F.B.I. N.C.I.S. usually just deals with criminal matters, not spies and/or terrorists.

I was going to say that, and if it were a British Royal Navy vessel he would be investigated by MI5, the Royal Navy police, and possibly the local civilian police.

Can you imagine DiNozzo and McGhee questioning Chekov and Gibbs' reaction to Chekov getting away from them even momentarily?

@@brianbiedugnis1540 I can see DiNozzo saying the exact same thing that the agent in ST: IV said...

@@brianbiedugnis1540 That would be pretty funny, I wonder if they'd do an NCIS special. 😀

Perfect. My cordless drill has that function. If I let go of the trigger it doesn't continue to spin for a bit. It Stops Dead. For safety. DeWalt probably make starships too.

@@FirstDan2000 greatest response to a response ever 🤣. Granted, you are my only response so far. But, it was a good response. I should note, that I like Mac tools. Which also makes DeWalt or vice versa.

"Oh no, not again."🌺🐋

“One damn minute, Admiral!” 😂❤

The hell they don't.

Especially the navy. "Swearing like a sailor" is an expression for a reason, lol.

.. because her disappearance from the 20C was predestined: the whole Star Trek Universe was predicated on it, and actually caused it.

Because she was completely irrelevant. After the whales are released, then killed by whalers, what is her use at the Cetacean Institute? In the original history, she was fired, and ended up either depressed and suicidal, or closed off. She had no kids and made absolutely no impact on the future. Either that, or time travel in Star Trek is deterministic, thus removing the entire concept of free will.

​@@quantisedspace7047, so a "Bootstrap Paradox" then?

Why? She obviously made NO contribution to history. She said she had no one, they may have thought she was soo distruat about the whales gone she just left the Institute and no one knew where she went. People leave jobs all the time and not tell anyone where they are going.

Right? It makes no sense. I used this as an excuse as to why Kirk and the Enterprise could of just used the slingshot time travel method around the sun to go back to the 30s and beam up Edith Keeler right before she gets hit by the car in the original timeline. People told me this would lead to the same outcome shown in the show with no Starfleet due to her survival caused her to become involved in a political movement but if she was beamed up and saved and brought to the future, she wouldnt be in the past to do whatever she did to change history and would be viewed as a missing 411 case for the rest of the 20th century, like Gillian Taylor.

We had a subscription to that magazine when I was a kid. I loved it.

@@Dragon-Lady I still have a subscription to it. They owe me 5 issues :D

@@radbaron I was owed 6. What happened, they just decided to cancel one day, or did they run out of money?

Tid bit of OMNI trivia for you... It was founded by Bob Guccione, who was also the publisher of Penthouse magazine.

@@reluctantuser6971 Don't recall hearing of him. So he's the guy I gotta write to to get my issues back ( or an equal number of issues from Penthouse). Actually nevermind, I think he died a few years ago, along with that Helfner fellow. Still doesn't explain why they just stop publishing out of the blue like that, without even a final 'goodbye, thanks for all the fish' issue.

In Alameda. The nuclear wessels they keep in Alameda.

lol and you were right.

Hollyweird's new "Star Trek" movie with a Lesbian whale couple, how daring and revolutionary!

@@Otokichi786 i think you took a wrong turn...

Intelligent whales who launched the original probe come in their starship to determine if man has advanced far enough for first contact.

Well, he was also back at his post after a Ceti eel ate its way through his brain in ST: II. He's quite resilient.

Chekov has a fantastic doctor... Why would he not be fit enough to do so ?! Goi McCoy !! 😀❤️🖖

Yeah people like to Big Brain and go BUT WE ALL MOVE, and forget... we're already currently moving through time, all the time, right now. Gravity is just a curvature in spacetime, so it doesn't really matter which direction you move in the time dimension, your trajectory is still going to be curved through space. You'd need to be either moving with sufficient speed through space, *or* through time, to escape it.

I think they used satellites to see the whales from beyond the horizon.

Superman rotated the Earth Backwards!

I believe it was better explained in the TOS episodes that used it as well

I agree with your thought that during the slingshot, the ship would be tethered by gravity to the sun even as it moves through time.

@@AzraelThanatos I hope you are joking. They way they explain it in those episodes is so cryptic that it's almost impossible to understand unless you already know what they are trying to tell you...

Like Dustin Hoffman in _The Graduate_ driving on the top deck of the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge, but he was trying to head over to the East Bay. Or the chase scene in _What's Up, Doc?_ where they start in the Western Edition, then Russian Hill, then the Outer Richmond District, then Nob Hill, then Washington Square, then Russian Hill, then Nob Hill, Then Ghirardelli Square, then Alta Plaza, then back to Ghirardelli Square.

@@RaymondHng Or the countless times people in movies and TV shows arrive on a flight at San Francisco airport, and then proceed to drive into the city of San Francisco on the Golden Gate Bridge.

There were encrypted radio tags that were in use at the time, even attached to whales, sharks, and dolphins despite having been more commonly used in research for ground animals such as wolves and bears while mounted on collars. For cetaceans, they tend to be attached to a fin

@@AzraelThanatos Gillian did mention that the whales had been tagged so that researchers could more easily monitor their movements (and also whale poachers, apparently). It must have come as quite the shock to discover that the tags had suddenly gained altitude and were rapidly leaving Earth's orbit. 😂🙃

@@STSWB5SG1FAN Yeah, I actually remember a story that tied Voyage Home to things with Carbon Creek and the past that Voyager encountered due to Starling. Can't remember if it was in one of the Trek short story compilations or online that covered it from the cops involved starting with the mess during the Voyager episode from the POV of the cops involved with some of the public parts of that, an older cop that had been involved in investigating Gillian (who is revealed to know more than he is supposed to due to one of DS9's DTI agents being a little to sure of themselves while trying to retrieve Kirk's glasses and is disarmed and held at gunpoint until he gets an explanation and the cop is revealed to have grown up in Carbon Creek and makes the connection before letting the time cop go). Lucsly is then recognized by said cop during the cleanup for Voyagers visit and gets pulled into a private meeting where the cop wants information and slips him some hair dye as they leave with the case closed along with a note about how Lucsly really needs to have a different alias or at least add a junior or obvious dye to his hair if he's going to be in the same place with multiple people there. At the end of it, the new "rookie" partner of that cop in their present after Lucsly mentions something about heading to a station where they managed to bring back tribbles to debrief one of the other unlucky bastards to get dragged into a Kirk caused mess finally gives his name and is revealed as another of Gary Seven's alias' for that point in time. It's also hinted that the aware cop is the ancestor of Lucsly's usual partner who is waiting for him back in his own time. It wasn't very long, but extremely entertaining to read

Exactement

The Time machine presumably had a mass of serveral 100kg at least. There is every reason to suggest it would just stick to the earth, and move with it. With a space ship in orbit, it's still gravitationally bound.

@alm2187, they showed us The Time Machine when I was in 3rd or 4th grade. That movie HAUNTED me FOR YEARS😂. I see it now as an adult & am like "Why did this movie scare the hell out of me?"😂

@@bonusbaby801 It was probably the Morlocks. They were scary as F--K. Still are (if you ever saw that episode on TBBT).

I always thought it was a bootstrap paradox. The movie started the loop when Scotty gave him the formula, and from then on, it was established fact meaning that the novelization was actually a subsequent loop in which the professor was definitely credited with the invention/discovery in history.

yea the tone was that of people who dont like trek trying really hard to make fun of it.

Kind of makes sense. To me, the only pop-sci-fi time travel that makes sense in the TARDIS from Dr Who. It can not only freely travel in time but also in space, and it has a wicked smart, possibly sentient computer onboard that can do the calculations to figured out where to needs be in space when arriving where it wants in time.

Yeah you're wrong tho, since the design specifies it's just a fancy fusion rocket; it uses drive coils to *improve* the thrust but the actual thrust produced is 100% standard physics. The warp field just reduces the effective mass, it's not actually providing any motive force, and when the power gets cut... yea they would just keep drifting at their current velocity. We've actually seen this in trek, when voyager used an impulse burst to generate enough extra velocity to get out of a magnetic wake in Elogium.

Gracie was pregnant... Best to stay calm in pregnancy... I should know... !! I wonder what she had (& don't say "a calf" !!) 🐋🐳🖖❤️

Spock mind melded with the whales and told them what to expect. Also maybe Spock’s mind meld took their emotional response away for a time.

As a matter of fact, it was specifically addressed in the Khan prequel novels that the technology of the _Botany Bay_ was based somewhat on what was learned from that alien tech (along with the other stuff they kept at Area 51).

Oh, She forgot to mention those guys. "James Kirk. The man is a temporal menace"

In Trek terminology, my understanding is that "site-to-site" refers to beaming within the vessel that is directing the transporter beam, e.g. transporting someone from Engineering to the Bridge, or from a planet's surface directly to Sickbay without first materializing in a transporter room.

Why they didn't gave such a pill to Nog i.e.?

Brakes.

@@richardvinsen2385 Thanks. English is not my first language, and I didn't remember how it was written.

@@podemosurss8316 No worries. English is my first language and I still have to correct myself sometimes. English is just hard, lol.