10 FLAWS of the Original ENTERPRISE in Star Trek

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Hey Co-stars and welcome to Generation Films, now Star Trek the original series, was an interesting show. Despite it’s cult following and progressive values, it did have its share of flaws. Like why do red shirts always die?
Why was the early Klingon make up basically black face? And did they forget to add the ski to this green screen shot?
Oh that is meant to be a green sky? OK…
But the ship itself, the USS enterprise was pretty solid right? I mean it was the star of the show. Well it seems it had its share of flaws as well, and it shows even in the STar Trek universe, the Excelsior class served in starfleet for about 100 years, it was a classic design that really lasted.
But the constitution class only served for about 30 years in it’s original form, from the 2340s to 2360s. Then in the 2370s all the remaining constitution class ships went through a complete refit, but they were overtaken by the excelsior class and not many made it into the 24th century.
So this this video, like we have done with other star trek ships, we are going to go through 10 flaws of the original USS Enterprise, and we will include the Enterprise A in this too because it is the same design.
Number One - Bridge and Easy Target
Now I know I have talked about this with other star trek ships, but with the original enterprise it is even more exaggerated, just look at how much this bridge sticks out at the top of the saucer section, talk about an easy target.
You know what happens when enemies target the bridge
That was the Enterprise E, but you get the idea. And what is more this thing on top is actually a window.
Have a look at how it is portrayed, with kind of terrible special effects, in the original pilot, the cage…
Isn’t having a big window above the crew’s heads, where enemies can look in kind of a weakness? I mean we know the klingons for example exploited using cameras to look at information on control panels in order to blow up the enterprise D.
Here is another image where you can see it is a huge window and you can clearly see control panels and people on the bridge. All you would need is a camera with good magnification and you could hover over there cloaked and get all the information you needed.
So yeah, kind of a security risk. I think the makers of the show realized this, and in later plans of the ship this dome was listed at an upper sensor array
Maybe that was after the refit, it seems in it’s original form the constitution class had a massive window here.
Number Two - Technical Problems
Now this was a case with the Enterprise A, which I am including because it is still a constitution class starship, same as the original.
But after the ship was built it was plagued by technical problems.
Yet starfleet sends them out on a mission anyway. They have a tendency of doing that, and they never learn, just look at what they did to the Enterprise B a few years later. ”
But what can you do eh? Perhaps in a world where money doesn’t exist, you just can’t get the staff to put these things together right. You get what you pay for.
Number Three - Unresponsive Shields
In the battle between the Enterprise and the USS Reliant commanded by Khan in Star Trek two. We hear Kirk say raise shields, but it appears the shields never go up.
Now this was a tense situation with the Enterprise crew observing an un responsive vessel, which then proceeds to raise its shields, then a few seconds later powers up and locks weapons. You would think the tactical officer’s finger would be hovering over the shields button just waiting for the order and would press it as soon as kirk says raise shields. So what happened? Maybe the shields just take ages to turn on, kind of reminds me of Dr Nefario’s scooter from despicable me two.
You press the button but the thing takes 10 mins to actually work. They don’t manage to get the shields up for the whole battle.
Number Four - The Bridge Panels Explode
Imagine living in a house that had dynamite in the walls, the slightest vibration and your living room was explodes, showering sparks, flames and smoke over the whole family. Because that is what they had to deal with on the enterprise. Hit the ship anywhere and the walls of the bridge instantly explode.
And yeah i mean anywhere on the ship other than the bridge, look at this clip of the enterprise A being attacked from the back, underside of the hull, the complete opposite side of the ship to the bridge and the bridge control panels on the bridge still start exploding.
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@GenerationFilms
@GenerationFilms 3 жыл бұрын
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@markplott4820
@markplott4820 3 жыл бұрын
I Reject the notion of a Bridge on top of the Saucer. its not Tactical. I would place the Bridge say 3 or 5 Decks below the Surface of the Top Deck. and either place a Sensor Array on top or a Off Duty area like a Officers Lounge .
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 3 жыл бұрын
Generation Films - NOPE the Enterprise A was a NEWLY Built ENTERPRISE class Starship that payed homage to the NCC-1701 Constitution class starship. this was a Heavy Departure from the ENT Refit and the NEW Enterprise Class Starship was a Complete different layout than the REFIT Enterprise 1701.
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 3 жыл бұрын
Generation Films - the Enterprise in the WRATH of KAHN was now a Training Vessel and a UNTESTED new Cadets . the ONLY Senior staff were the TOS Enterprise crew. Furthermore , its generally assumed all Federation Starships are Friendly to one another , and KAHN exploited this. the Reliant was able to Raise its Sheilds and Deffence fields before Enterprise could Raise hers because KIRK was caught with his PANTS Down. this is why KIRK was a ADMIRAL and flew a DESK instead of a Star Ship. the Reliant is also Better Protected and lower Profile as the Reliant is a FRIGGATE and a TACTICAL ship equipped with MEGA Phasors. however Reliant only had a Auto Torp on the Roll Bar whereas Enterprice could carry MORE Torpedoes. RELIANT had a much smaller Cross Section with no NECK and no Secondary hull, like ENTERPRISE . the 1701 was Larger and thus EASER to Target. and KAHN many years ago Studied the Enterprise Design and he KNEW exactly were to Strike.
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 3 жыл бұрын
Generation Films - regarding Teething problemes of the 1701-A (Ti Ho) aka USS Enterprise-A. the Ti - Ho was a NEW Generation of ENTERPRISE Class starships that played homage to the Classic 1701 Constitution class and the REFIT. but, everything was Entirely NEW . including the TRANSWARP Nacelles , which were modified to RESEMBLE the 1701 REFIT Nacelles and built by LEEDING Engines. as this was an EXPREIMENTAL ship , the FIRST WORKING Transwarp ship after SCOTTY Disabled the NX-2000 Excelsior (EARLY Transwarp ship) , this caused STARFLEET to reexamine the Transwarp Comcept, and Decided to use a MORE compact Starship for the TESTBED. despite its Early Problems in Star Trek V , by the time of Star Trek VI - undiscovered country , the 1701-A Enterprise worked PERFECTLY.
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 3 жыл бұрын
Generation Films - when SYBOK landed in the Shuttle bay , SYBOK already controled SULU and UHURA minds , and SYBOK contiued to use MIND CONTROL on the Crew.
@BigWillyG1000
@BigWillyG1000 3 жыл бұрын
The separate phaser room is a lot like real warships of the era. Heck considering how many writers served in WWII they probably based it on real warship layouts they experienced.
@ChattahoocheeRiverRat
@ChattahoocheeRiverRat 3 жыл бұрын
Makes me think of WW2 submarine movies. The captain orders "fire", but someone in the torpedo room actually pushed the button.
@generalcodsworth4417
@generalcodsworth4417 3 жыл бұрын
True, but those real warships didn't have the modern luxuries of computers that could handle things remotely. To fire a torpedo, you needed someone at the torpedo bay. To aim a gun, someone had to be at the gun pulling levers and spinning wheels. By the time of Star Fleet, all of this could have been (and in the show, seems like it was) all done with electronics that were controlled with computer panels. To move the control panel to the bridge would have been trivial in-universe, and is therefore a potential flaw of the ship, though it may have improved the show and increased ratings with the audience of the time
@DavidLemmo
@DavidLemmo 3 жыл бұрын
@@generalcodsworth4417 Constitution Class was developed during the seven years war, it was a battlecruiser capable of matching the Klingon D7, disguised as an exploration vessel. This is also why so many of them were lost with all hands, they pushed the boundaries of known space and frequently got into fights.
@ChattahoocheeRiverRat
@ChattahoocheeRiverRat 3 жыл бұрын
@@generalcodsworth4417 All good points on what "could have been" in terms of design, but I suspect there's a certain principle of sci-fi writing at work here. Sci-fi has to be futuristic, but at the same time familiar enough that the audience can relate to it. The separate firing room keeps things familiar with the similarity to WW2 sub movies. (Not to mention also allowing the plot device of the phaser coolant leak...)
@generalcodsworth4417
@generalcodsworth4417 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChattahoocheeRiverRat , that is true that the point of Star Trek was first and foremost to be a show with a good story. If the writers did enough research to make a totally accurate and plausible warp capable vessel for the show, we'd have them irl because they'd have invented the real deal by that point. They do deserve some credit for making something that worked to tell a story
@Reddotzebra
@Reddotzebra 3 жыл бұрын
"Spock fails to shoot him because he's a Vulcan." No, Spock fails to shoot him because he's his brother...
@robertcartier5088
@robertcartier5088 3 жыл бұрын
You would think he'd mention that, right?! Not the best at googling, this bunch. ;-/
@ZeoCyberG
@ZeoCyberG 3 жыл бұрын
@@robertcartier5088 Yeah, and the shield failure was because Khan got the security codes and disabled them and not because they took too long to raise... But he did say some of it was just him making some light fun of it...
@bartscanland9415
@bartscanland9415 3 жыл бұрын
@@ZeoCyberG that's incorrect. Khan was unaware of the security code because this was how Kirk escaped the first encounter.
@ZeoCyberG
@ZeoCyberG 3 жыл бұрын
@@bartscanland9415 You forget Khan captured Chekov and the other officer and put the mind control worms in them... He just didn't know enough to block it... Khan was just limited to 2 dimensional thinking...
@captainbryce1
@captainbryce1 3 жыл бұрын
@@ZeoCyberG Chekov and Terrell wouldn't have had Enterprise's prefix codes memorized. Kirk told Saavik to access the data charts on the Reliant, which is how they were able to obtain the Reliant's Prefix code. Also, Khan wouldn't have had Chekov and Terrell give him the Enterprise's prefix codes because he didn't know about prefix codes. The film establishes that Khan had no idea about the Prefix codes which allow one ship to disable the shields of another, which is precisely how Kirk was able to outwit Khan in that battle. So no, the reason they didn't get the shields up in time is because they didn't get the shields up in time, plain and simple. And when Sulu tries later he says "I can't get power" (because the Reliant had already taken out the Enterprises main power systems). Kirk ordered auxiliary power, Scotty said they only had enough power for a few shots of phasers, and Spock said they couldn't escape on auxiliary power.
@oliversmith9200
@oliversmith9200 3 жыл бұрын
When you say "kind of terrible special effects" about "The Cage" produced sixty years ago, you ought to be saying "exciting special effects - at the time". lol
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 3 жыл бұрын
agree, quite Groundbreaking. and very Advanced to what TOHO was doing in the 1960's , and Tsubara Productions (Ultraman).
@donkeyslayer4661
@donkeyslayer4661 3 жыл бұрын
He does not take things in the context of their times because he was never taught to.
@huntjl88
@huntjl88 3 жыл бұрын
Also with the times the Enterprise was stolen. Does he not understand that that was necessary to the plot of the movie or episode?
@coleparker
@coleparker 3 жыл бұрын
I can answer his questions with three simple terms BUDGET, BUDGET BUDGET. Add to those, Science Fiction TV shows at that time were rare and considered second tier.
@oliversmith9200
@oliversmith9200 3 жыл бұрын
@@coleparker Yep. 'And that becomes all the more reason to admire and celebrate the devoted wizardry of the original set and effects artists.
@PelenTan
@PelenTan 3 жыл бұрын
With transporters, quarantine was not considered necessary. They were programmed to remove any pathogens detected in the stream.
@michaelglisson8240
@michaelglisson8240 3 жыл бұрын
Guess Tribbles weren’t considered harmful, too darn cute!
@rsrt6910
@rsrt6910 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but... T'Pol... sensuous decontamination gels......
@technopirate304
@technopirate304 3 жыл бұрын
@@rsrt6910 Me likee 😍😍
@qdllc
@qdllc 3 жыл бұрын
That tech didn’t exist in TOS. It was presumed space medicine was sufficiently advanced.
@briand208
@briand208 3 жыл бұрын
Quarantine would have derailed several episodes, let alone customs... No tribble storyline.
@salenstormwing
@salenstormwing 3 жыл бұрын
"It was plagued with technical issues." Yeah, like having 78 decks on a ship that had 24 decks. Do you know how much you have to screw up that making your ship into a TARDIS on accident?
@SapphirosCZ
@SapphirosCZ 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently if you are Shattner, just once.
@macrosense
@macrosense 3 жыл бұрын
they had some kind of transparent aluminum by then, so the windows were probably nearly as good as whatever the rest of the hull was covered with
@rsrt6910
@rsrt6910 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but his main point still stands, we have cameras that can read a license plate from 400 miles away travelling at 18,000 mph, technically, with most enemy ships less than a mile away during battles oughta be able to read Kirk's fingerprints while he picks his nose.
@macrosense
@macrosense 3 жыл бұрын
@@rsrt6910 the ships have to be close enough together for the audience to see them shooting at each other on tv or film screen
@elana1463
@elana1463 3 жыл бұрын
We have transparent aluminium since the mid 80's, doesn't seem to be all that useful. (Seriously, that patent was filed just before star trek IV had hit the cinemas)
@iangreen4572
@iangreen4572 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, Scotty gives a company the formula in the voyage home to build the tank to transport the whales. In Star Wars they have Transparisteel windows
@elana1463
@elana1463 3 жыл бұрын
@@iangreen4572 No, I mean the actual real world did have transparent Aluminium by the time the movie came out. The patent was filed just before, by pure chance. And the original idea is what later developments like gorilla glass are based on
@johnmiller7682
@johnmiller7682 3 жыл бұрын
Why do I think he's never actually watched TOS?
@omega311888
@omega311888 3 жыл бұрын
or done much research on it at all
@huntjl88
@huntjl88 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad it is not just me.
@crowbar_the_rogue
@crowbar_the_rogue 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think he has a clue what he's talking about, he's just milking a popular series for views.
@crowbar_the_rogue
@crowbar_the_rogue 3 жыл бұрын
He does have a point about the security cameras. They really aren't used as often as they could be.
@michaelmaston4702
@michaelmaston4702 3 жыл бұрын
Because he never did watch the original series.
@richardbutton1179
@richardbutton1179 3 жыл бұрын
"Unresponsive shields" In ST2 they're switching scenes so when Kirk says raise shields Khan very likely said "fire" at the same time or just before Kirk gave the order. So even though the shield button was pushed at that very moment it was being hit by phaser fire
@davidanderson5055
@davidanderson5055 3 жыл бұрын
It ought to have been Spock's job to order the shields raised. He probably thought 'Nah, it'll be fine, Kirk knows what he's doing'. Obviously not.
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
"why haven't they raised shields?" "Because we are all one big happy fleet" - Khan He fired without warning so by time they went to put up shields Khan had already ordered them to fire. It all happened at the same exact time.
@shea455
@shea455 3 жыл бұрын
...and by the time they were hit in the center of engineering, shields would not come online.
@ChattahoocheeRiverRat
@ChattahoocheeRiverRat 3 жыл бұрын
Also, whatever contraptionry actually generates the shielding may need some time to come up to power
@richardbutton1179
@richardbutton1179 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChattahoocheeRiverRat Actually their shields are always on just at low power and used to essentially just protect the ship from small space debris. When the ship goes to red alert more power is diverted to the shield
@wilhelmpeters02
@wilhelmpeters02 3 жыл бұрын
“The tractor beam won’t be installed until Tuesday” is my go to for anything getting done these days. People still don’t get the reference 😂
@semdehoop2708
@semdehoop2708 3 жыл бұрын
It's coming Tuesday my dudes...
@martinshelton9533
@martinshelton9533 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, they weren't meant to be on any mission, it was the first shakedown cruise just to test it and do a bit of PR!
@Oceanic2409
@Oceanic2409 3 жыл бұрын
*Reply installation failed* Try again later...
@seriousthree6071
@seriousthree6071 3 жыл бұрын
So where was home fleet protecting Earth and the Federation government?
@semdehoop2708
@semdehoop2708 3 жыл бұрын
@@seriousthree6071 these were coming Tuesday, duuuhhhhhh
@hughsmith7504
@hughsmith7504 3 жыл бұрын
Would have really thought that the warp pylons would be on the list.
@jozefkozon4520
@jozefkozon4520 3 жыл бұрын
This constant problem that is comparable to the neck?
@MehrumesDagon
@MehrumesDagon 3 жыл бұрын
@@jozefkozon4520 more so, pylons and warp nacelle exposure is exploited agains starfleet vessels way more often on the screen!
@jozefkozon4520
@jozefkozon4520 3 жыл бұрын
@@MehrumesDagon Tactically, the federation's technical limitations turn their ships into multi-bullseye mobile targets. Ncells? Fragile construction? Exposed vital systems? All out in open. None of their platforms are suitable for combat, with two or three exceptions.
@raven4k998
@raven4k998 3 жыл бұрын
oh common they are built out of some super strong alloy so they are just fine
@MehrumesDagon
@MehrumesDagon 3 жыл бұрын
@@raven4k998excuse me, but the video reference through the series, does not show much of support towards those "super strong alloys" being strong enough to be justifiable structure. To be precise, within The Original Series itself, all combat is considered won or lost on shields alone - most of fights is firing couple salvos and if shields are still up at that point both sides assumes them being inpenetrable, and other solutions are pursued. It's only the movies that established concept of ship being hit without shields up and not outright exploding to smithereens in single shot. And even if there was some fantasy super-alloy at play it would still make for a better ship to not do structural weakpoints like this - no matter how imposibly "strong" and resistant your alloy is, it will work better with better structural layout.
@vic5015
@vic5015 3 жыл бұрын
Don't you know: "All bridge panels *must* made of explodium" is one of Starfleet's design rules.
@ChattahoocheeRiverRat
@ChattahoocheeRiverRat 3 жыл бұрын
Also, if it isn't made of explodium, it needs to be made of Incendium (or at least alloyed with Incendium). Consider the flames in the underground command bunker early in Balance of Terror.
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
You do realize that those exploding locations was caused by overloading power systems right? Remember power feedback is a thing. A home struck by lightning, anything plugged in had a chance of being fried and or exploding. Hell iPhones use to explode if over charged(cannot remember which model). The overloads tend to happen when the shields are overloaded before going down or powerful enough blast to cause an overload in the ship's power systems. Also for dramatic effect. In sto we don't see heavy damage to the bridge unless hit hard, or flying close to a star. Why? Because it isn't needed. Nothing takes place in the bridge 99% of the time. It's the same in the show. But to be fair the defiant, voy, and the E you could spit on them with shields up and 2/3 of the bridge would be damaged while the Connie requires direct hits to the hull to cause the bridge systems to take damage. So even with a neck the Connie was a lot more tougher than neckless ships like the defiant, but it was also built in an era where the federation was in a state of a cold war with the Klingons where a fight could happen at any time.
@revrndskip
@revrndskip 3 жыл бұрын
Just an observation about the thin neck. During TOS, weapons and shields were usually strongest at the front so you tried to keep your nose on the enemy. With the thin neck, it was harder to hit.
@gabevee3
@gabevee3 3 жыл бұрын
That's an answer for thinkers... OK being sarcastic/nasty here. As I mentioned elsewhere, a shooter doesn't aim for the hardest target.
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
Aye, the neck isn't a priority target, the largest part is. That's like telling a soldier to shoot the throat instead of the body.
@hisokamorow1816
@hisokamorow1816 3 жыл бұрын
@@valor1omega except if you shoot in the body it will still kill the person. It’s not the same
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
@@hisokamorow1816 It's easier to target the body then the neck and that's after you mange to punch through the shields. Also the way the fights work is like what we see in the wrath of Khan not the star wars style combat idiocy we see in ds9. That means hitting the neck is much harder than you might think so targeting the body is better.
@bartscanland9415
@bartscanland9415 3 жыл бұрын
@@valor1omega except that the weapons have computer locking capabilities which allow for precision strikes.
@GhostRyderFPV
@GhostRyderFPV 3 жыл бұрын
Tucker and Archer were "decontaminating" T'Pol on the Enterprise. With my luck, I'd get stuck with Ensign Boimler.
@AC_702
@AC_702 3 жыл бұрын
I'm hoping to get paired with Hoshi Sato.....💕
@GhostRyderFPV
@GhostRyderFPV 3 жыл бұрын
@@AC_702 _Evil_ Hoshi Sato...
@chrisbcritter6112
@chrisbcritter6112 3 жыл бұрын
"Spock fails to shoot [Sybok] because he's a Vulcan . . . ." Yeah, and HIS BROTHER!!!
@tmd63
@tmd63 3 жыл бұрын
Step Brother. Same father, different mother.
@jesuszamora6949
@jesuszamora6949 3 жыл бұрын
@@tmd63 Still family.
@danielkirk4755
@danielkirk4755 3 жыл бұрын
I assume he was defending the more recent fans from spoilers :p
@darkwood777
@darkwood777 Ай бұрын
@@tmd63 That's not a step-brother. That's a half-brother. A step-relative is by legal marriage, not by shared genes.
@georgelaforce1028
@georgelaforce1028 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite was, “If the people in the phaser room are flirting, you may never get to fire the phasers!” That was hilarious!!! 😂🤣
@yodaslovetoy
@yodaslovetoy 3 жыл бұрын
It contained rocks in its consoles! Rocks!!! Who the hell thought of that ffs
@dannyr2976
@dannyr2976 3 жыл бұрын
You beat me to a similar comment, lol!
@skepticalbadger
@skepticalbadger 3 жыл бұрын
Check out Junkball Media's Trek videos. The rocks feature prominently.
@thesageofgames1871
@thesageofgames1871 3 жыл бұрын
They did not even fix that in the far flung future. Rocks of Programmable matter, lol.
@boneshaman8912
@boneshaman8912 3 жыл бұрын
The rocks were used for ballace. Geez people don't you know any thing about ships.
@boneshaman8912
@boneshaman8912 3 жыл бұрын
@Chris George on a planet with gravity yes. But every thing in space is like backwards. So up is down right is left men are women and children are adults. So you would put rocks it the top part to keep everything normal as we see normal.
@williamfranklin6836
@williamfranklin6836 3 жыл бұрын
I think that the separate phaser room is a reference to naval ships having fire control stuff they talk to to use the big guns
@omega311888
@omega311888 3 жыл бұрын
it definitely was. Just look at the episode Balance of Terror. the whole episode was loosely based on a submarine movie battle ( i cant remember which one )
@willmfrank
@willmfrank 3 жыл бұрын
@@omega311888 In fact "Balance of Terror" is the only episode in which the phaser control room appears. In every other episode, Sulu operates the phasers directly from the helm console.
@johncunningham6928
@johncunningham6928 3 жыл бұрын
@@omega311888 The movie in question is 'The Enemy Below', and was readily acknowledged.
@blaircrocker9845
@blaircrocker9845 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought after the phaser room was shown to be a problem it was rerouted to the bridge and the control room was a manual backup
@kdrapertrucker
@kdrapertrucker 2 жыл бұрын
On real ships you have gun directors, where the guns can be aimed, the gun turret, if it's big enough to be manned, then it has provision to aim the mount from inside, then you have the loading room where the shells are loaded into the turret etc.
@RegClintonBrown
@RegClintonBrown 3 жыл бұрын
No. The SHIELDS in that film were slower because the tactical display shows the "shield dots" taking a few seconds to surround the ship
@RegClintonBrown
@RegClintonBrown Жыл бұрын
@Account NumberEight Right 😆
@ShawnHCorey
@ShawnHCorey 3 жыл бұрын
The original Enterprise had a stair down from the bridge in its blueprints. Guess the engineers forgot to install it. The Ent. D also has a ramp down to the next deck. You can see it in the upper left corner of its blueprints. In the time of the TOS, the transporter provided the quarantine by filtering out harmful pathogens. The manual firing of phasers from the phaser room was the backup. Normally the computer would fire the phasers when commanded from the bridge but if that failed, they could be fired from the phaser room, which was manned during red alert.
@rsrt6910
@rsrt6910 3 жыл бұрын
Like the man said, it was a socialist utopia. Why would any shipyard worker install a set of stairs that they didn't have to.
@TheSorrel
@TheSorrel 3 жыл бұрын
@@rsrt6910 Because its the right thing to do.
@juliusarchibaldiv3880
@juliusarchibaldiv3880 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget, even the Enterprise Refit/A had 2 turbolifts in both the movies and blueprints.
@nowthatsjustducky
@nowthatsjustducky 3 жыл бұрын
I am guessing that had some other quarantine and decon method for away teams that traveled by shuttle instead of transporter.
@nowthatsjustducky
@nowthatsjustducky 3 жыл бұрын
@Dissident Aggressor Transporter room. Please engage beaming protocol Number 2.
@dswynne
@dswynne 3 жыл бұрын
Trekyards would like to have a word with you...
@johnw2026
@johnw2026 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he got something wrong about that warp core.... It wasn't in the neck. Originally, it wasn't even vertical, it was horizontal. As for the torpedoes, on the original ncc 1701 before the refit, the launcher was on bottom of the saucer. Doesn't mean there wasn't a magazine in the neck, but that wasn't the location of the launcher until after refit.
@outonroad
@outonroad 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnw2026 The warp core was in the neck on the refit. In fact the panelling is blue where the core is, assumably removable panels but hey another shoot me here signal for other ships.
@johnw2026
@johnw2026 3 жыл бұрын
@@outonroad 👍
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
@@outonroad It was in the neck of the original Connie as well.
@Johninadelaide2022
@Johninadelaide2022 3 жыл бұрын
Fun, groups of nerds arguing
@pauldueffert7458
@pauldueffert7458 3 жыл бұрын
On the bridge always exploding with showers of sparks, I always wanted an episode that addressed how humanity lost or forgot all circuit breaker technology in say the early 2100's.
@jlfrasch
@jlfrasch 3 жыл бұрын
I may be misremembering, but I think Federation starships are said to use supercharged plasma to convey power to all of the ships' systems and controls. What is exploding all of the time, are these plasma conduits. To hazard a complete guess, the authors could be suggesting they found a way to make plasma behave as a superconductor, which would give virtually no power losses from the conduits and connections. This would save all of the power for doing the work that the machines need to do. The episodes we watch are where all of the exciting stuff (explosions etc.) happen. The other 99% of their time is spent benefiting from super efficient power usage...
@crankychris2
@crankychris2 3 жыл бұрын
Black powder was used for the low budget TOS effects. Yeah, it was really corny. Nichell Nichols got 2nd deg flash burns on her face while rigging a 'subspace bypass circuit' on the bridge set.
@vonfaustien3957
@vonfaustien3957 3 жыл бұрын
@@jlfrasch there's this thing called optoisolation been around since the 80s. Basically you use light to transmit data from the PLC ( computer brain for complex factory and refinery process) to the high voltage equipment meaning your computer controls have no power cross over to anything above a 24volt control power and any arch flashes or dangerous shorts are away from the controls. Theres another thung called a relay its been around since the 50s if not earlier. It uses a transformer to allow low volatge control wiring to directly control high voltage equipment. A gas plant doeant run its main 4k volt power cables into yhe control room consoles why the hell would an armed space craft route its main power through controls. Id buy the surges and explosions on an engineering console by the warp core as equipment offten has some form of localized control on it but the bridge should should yld be completely isolated from the main power
@Scyllax
@Scyllax 3 жыл бұрын
And seat belts.
@crankychris2
@crankychris2 3 жыл бұрын
@@Scyllax At least on for the Captains substantial girth.
@coreytaylor447
@coreytaylor447 3 жыл бұрын
you forgot random steam pipes running though the bridge that burst with the slightest bump
@technopirate304
@technopirate304 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao. Good one
@briand208
@briand208 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't the thin neck originally designed as a way to turn the entire saucer into an escape pod? Blow the neck and let the engineering section explode while the saucer still has impulse power.
@SeansModelBuilds
@SeansModelBuilds 3 жыл бұрын
See Star Trek Continues or Star Trek Beyond.
@houinkyoma8233
@houinkyoma8233 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@tetravega567
@tetravega567 3 жыл бұрын
It's actually brought up as an option in a couple TOS episodes. The Apple for sure. Nacells can also detach.
@aXYZGaming
@aXYZGaming 3 жыл бұрын
vfx artists: forget the green-screen also the vfx artists: nah, the sky's green now
@Steve_in_NJ
@Steve_in_NJ 3 жыл бұрын
Back in the 1966-1969 era, there was no such thing as VFX like now. Those skies were cameras with a colored lens on them, or a glass matte painting (I saw a set once during a tour of Universal Studios Hollywood years ago).
@Gwestytears
@Gwestytears 3 жыл бұрын
I thought they were still using bluescreens back then
@seajaye9540
@seajaye9540 3 жыл бұрын
@@Gwestytears you can actually see the black square around the enterprise in the TOS scenes of the exterior of the ship because there really wasn't blue screen or green screen at the time. In order to film the exterior of the ship the background was black and they simply merged to two pieces of film. They eliminated this during the digital upgrading of the show in later years. So you would have to find an original series episode prior to the digitalization to see it.
@Gwestytears
@Gwestytears 3 жыл бұрын
@@seajaye9540 were blue screens used more often in the 70s? Star wars used them
@christopherleedy8873
@christopherleedy8873 3 жыл бұрын
@@Steve_in_NJ Blue screens were invented in the 1930's. Who knows if the technique was widely used in the late 1960's.
@daverage4729
@daverage4729 3 жыл бұрын
"Press the button and it takes about 10 minutes to work..." Sounds like my Dell Laptop.
@Steve_in_NJ
@Steve_in_NJ 3 жыл бұрын
Still faster than the old dial up days of AOL.. LOL
@raven4k998
@raven4k998 3 жыл бұрын
yeah well she didn't make as much power as the other enterprises that's why it took ten minutes it took that long to build up a charge for the system to work
@stuartmcclurey9926
@stuartmcclurey9926 3 жыл бұрын
My laptop is faster and it is 15 years old.
@theunknownone5990
@theunknownone5990 3 жыл бұрын
HP has entered the chat
@jwc00789
@jwc00789 3 жыл бұрын
Install a new Solid State Drive in it and ditch the old mechanical hard drive. Either that, or you have a serious bloatware problem!
@Goatcha_M
@Goatcha_M 3 жыл бұрын
Technical Problems when they haven't even started their shakedown cruise don't count. Emergency missions and the Enterprise being the Only ship at the Federation HQ don't change that. That's more an issue with Starfleet's resource management. Real problems are the lack of physical barriers in the Brig, lack of seat belts/harness and bridge consoles exploding when the ship is shot anywhere other than the bridge.
@coreytaylor447
@coreytaylor447 3 жыл бұрын
also random steam pipes that run through the bridge bursting with the slightest hit
@ascelot
@ascelot 3 жыл бұрын
@@coreytaylor447 how else are you supposed to kill off the red shirts?
@nathanhobson1142
@nathanhobson1142 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the space rocks!
@robertcartier5088
@robertcartier5088 3 жыл бұрын
A decade after this was shown on TV, I was in school already learning how to make low-power remote control circuits to avoid having high voltage shit behind control panels! How they kept doing this dumb-ass move for decades after was probably the dumbest thing I'd ever seen in Sci-Fi! Hard to fault them, they were all doing it! Don't expect to see this bullshit on The Expanse! They're more likely to show you how to lose your head from a silent railgun slug! lol
@ZeoCyberG
@ZeoCyberG 3 жыл бұрын
@@coreytaylor447 Not steam, plasma... EPS conduits is how they transferred power from the anti-matter/matter reactor core to the whole ship. Artificial gravity, structural integrity field, etc. that not only provided life support but prevented them going splat when going percentages of light speed on impulse drive and also helped the ship withstand enormous stresses... Down side, they conduct energy and so any power fluctuation or transfer from energy weapons can cause chain reaction of damage but it's what made their form of space travel possible with warp drive, etc.
@giladpellaeon1691
@giladpellaeon1691 3 жыл бұрын
I've often referred to Starfleet ships as "space Pintos" because of their propensity to explode.
@robertcartier5088
@robertcartier5088 3 жыл бұрын
Only us geezers actually get that reference! lol
@nancyomalley9959
@nancyomalley9959 3 жыл бұрын
@@robertcartier5088 And those who watched "I Love the 70's"
@wolfshanze5980
@wolfshanze5980 3 жыл бұрын
Only if the Enterprise is hit from the rear.
@tag1462
@tag1462 3 жыл бұрын
Bit of Trek trivia... For the set design of the bridge they built a loo just on the other side of the main view screen. Many a shot was ruined when somebody flushed. Flashforward a few years, amid the growing scandal of where were the bathrooms on the Enterprise, Franz Joseph cheekily added a restroom to the blueprints. To boldly go where no man has gone before.
@shea455
@shea455 3 жыл бұрын
Flushforward...?
@bryanabbott6169
@bryanabbott6169 3 жыл бұрын
The episode 'The Menagerie' also featured someone hijacking the original Enterprise. Spock was the sole hijacker.
@biggles1852
@biggles1852 3 жыл бұрын
Me: "There's NO aft firing arc on the Constiution classes" And no ventral, dorsal, or P/S, or... anywhere except facing forward. Also me: "At least half the Constitutions didn't make their 5 year mission (maybe only 1 did)" Ben: the coffee dispenser is complelely in the wrong place! Also, the top part of the warp core, (the part in the neck) isn't that explodey since it's the matter end of the reactor. So, semi explodey.
@perryrhodan1936
@perryrhodan1936 3 жыл бұрын
"Me: 'There's NO aft firing arc on the Constiution classes" And no ventral, dorsal, or P/S, or... anywhere except facing forward.'" That is incorrect. As a matter of fact, the firing arcs cover 360°. That ship has 14 Phaser banks after all and they are placed pretty intelligently.
@SackAttack81
@SackAttack81 3 жыл бұрын
@@perryrhodan1936 There is 18 Phaser banks on the Enterprise. 20 on the Discovery version. You can clearly see where all the Phaser banks are on the refit version, not so much the TOS version. The Enterprise outguns a Klingon Bird of Prey 10 to 1.
@berthulf
@berthulf 3 жыл бұрын
@@SackAttack81 the TOS Enterprise didn't have Banks, it had Batteries one upper front and one lower front of the saucer, and one at the back of the secondary hull, each had multiple phaser weapons and could track to cover a wide arc of fire, pretty much but not quite 360" coverage. Officially she had aft torpedoes, but they are not visible on the model and never seen firing. Also each phaser was a single shot weapon and needed recharging between shots, so having a battery allowed them to cycle through active weapons whilst others were 'reloaded'. This is because it was how gun batteries worked on 1950's-60's naval vessels without automation. They didn't envision the kind of automatic weapons our naval vessels have now, let alone what they could have in the future. This is also why they had a Phaser Control Room on the TOS Enterprise. The clip showing the woman at the control board was revolutionary and controversial at the time.
@qdllc
@qdllc 3 жыл бұрын
Warp core wasn’t the same in TOS. Matter/antimatter was in the nacelles. Warp engineering was a reactor but nothing like the linear intermix system introduced in the movies.
@perryrhodan1936
@perryrhodan1936 3 жыл бұрын
@@qdllc It was very similar to the later M/ARA-Cores except for the shape and alignment. The annihilation has to take place in the reactor after all. Dilithium, used as a regulator then helps with controlling the Warp plasma-flow in the EPS-grid. Overall, a technology that didn't change in base function for several centuries. The Warp cores just went bigger and bigger until the 2270s, leading to some redesigns and the end result was the vertical Warp core we know since then. The only real game changer that changed Warp cores significantly is that Starfleet moved away from Warp plasma and M/ARA-Systems as primary power supply in favor of the more potent polaric energy and corresponding Warp cores. And the change must've happened quite a while ago, because in the 32nd century AD, this polaric tech is common place in Starfleet.
@fyreantz2555
@fyreantz2555 3 жыл бұрын
"Imagine living in a house with dynamite in the walls..." Ohmuhgawd that made me laugh...
@RichO1701e
@RichO1701e 3 жыл бұрын
Dynamite plus rocks!
@Grey_Shard
@Grey_Shard 3 жыл бұрын
Your smoke alarm goes off causing the master bedroom's closet to explode. Federation tech at its finest.
@outonroad
@outonroad 3 жыл бұрын
@@RichO1701e The rocks are insulation foam in the panels
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
The explosion are from system overloads heavy damage or powerful power surges from powerful direct energy weapons. You know something that 100% of the alien races use. Besides if a home is hit by lightning electrical items can be fried or explode. I do recall hearing cases where components in PCs have exploded and caught fire due to powerful serges of power. Which is why you need to turn them off and unplug them during lighting storms.
@JB-ym4up
@JB-ym4up 3 жыл бұрын
Actually thats exactly how military people steal military gear. They just walk in, start it up and drive off. 2 tanks and a helicopter that I know of so far.
@shawn6860
@shawn6860 3 жыл бұрын
The GTA V school of crime. 😄
@bobcartledge5250
@bobcartledge5250 3 жыл бұрын
How about the warp nacelles being up on sticks, Ben? If the neck is a flaw then the nacelles are a catastrophe. I always wondered why they weren't the first target in any battle!
@STho205
@STho205 3 жыл бұрын
It sure was when building the AMT model on 1972, but it is assumed that the warp field nacelles have to be held out away from the core, so that likely gets a pass. In TOS there were no other starfleet ships shown than the "Starship Class" cruiser (later post series called Constitution Class). There was no other method of generating Warp shown except on the D7 and those Enterprise clones. The Romulans didn't use Warp, just impulse in TOS and even their nacelles are held put at extreme distance.
@ZeoCyberG
@ZeoCyberG 3 жыл бұрын
Well, that would cause a massive explosion... Like a mini super nova and any nearby ship could be destroyed unless it could warp away or had powerful enough shields... It's enough to cause massive damage to a planet, which is why when they self destructed the Enterprise in Search For Spock, the code he used was for jettisoning the warp core so it would not explode and used conventional explosives to destroy the ship because they were too close to the planet... Destruction of the warp cores could also cause damage to subspace and make FTL travel in the area more difficult to impossible... Mind, in STTNG they put in traditional warp technology was eroding subspace and put in a warp 5 speed limit until they could develop better warp tech... So the writers apparently did think of that in some ways...
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
@@ZeoCyberG Well yeah they did think of that, that's why trek was good. We had writers who had something in-between their ears unlike std/Picard writers who had nothing in-between theirs.
@blppt
@blppt 3 жыл бұрын
Forget that---the Bridge is literally exposed on a mound on the top of the ship. Hit that, and the entire command crew is dead.
@STho205
@STho205 3 жыл бұрын
@@blppt luckily The Empire didn't make such a mistake.
@ThomasTomiczek
@ThomasTomiczek 3 жыл бұрын
"Easy to steal" is a non issue. Ask any military - military craft never have keys or so. Too risky. They basically are protected by being surrounded by the military. Get people on board and you can steal it. That obviously does not cover bad security and - no people in engineering ;)
@jacara1981
@jacara1981 3 жыл бұрын
Technically the Enterprise D touch panels did a security scan for everyone that tried to access them, except when the plot required them not to lol
@andrekostur2683
@andrekostur2683 3 жыл бұрын
Re: taking back Kirk’s key. That’s _Admiral_ Kirk. The one captain who actually completed his 5-year mission, and had somewhat recently saved the planet from destruction. Not someone they would have figured to steal a starship.
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
Also they had Scotty who knew the ship inside and out. He could feel even the slightest of vibration and he would know where on the old girl it was coming from without needing to look at a screen. So it's no surprise that he and the rest of the senior bridge crew could steal the ship from space dock.
@ebee-uz1oz
@ebee-uz1oz 3 жыл бұрын
when i played starfleet academy, the manual states that Enterprise -A is technically Yorktown-which was mothballed and returned to service....then renamed Enterprise.
@nyc1164
@nyc1164 3 жыл бұрын
You should've shown the movie "Star Trek Beyond" when you mentioned the Enterprise's thin neck. In that movie, the neck was literally was cut off.
@nathanneumann6178
@nathanneumann6178 3 жыл бұрын
If you actually watched Star Trek II, then you’d know by looking at a single monitor on the Reliant that shields took more than a few seconds to fully charge. So the Enterprise being hit /right after/ Kirk ordered shields is just bad timing on the captain, not the ship. And by then, since they still couldn’t raise shields, it’s probably because they were damaged in the first attack. I swear, channels like this always seem to think they’re better than professional writers and always have snarky little remarks for when they “beat” the pros.
@white-dragon4424
@white-dragon4424 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's one point that I remember seeing even as a kid, the screen showing the shields raising in the form of dots quickly going around a diagram of the ship. In other words, it would take around 10 seconds for the shields to raise completely after the Captain's order.
@jhmcd2
@jhmcd2 3 жыл бұрын
No, most of these make since, including the shields to a point. You are right, the shields on the ship aren't as fast on ship's of the galaxy class, but Worf would have had his finger over the button to raise them on the Enterprise D too, and he does point this out. All in all, it was mostly a command failure, something Kirk alludes to after the battle.
@nathanneumann6178
@nathanneumann6178 3 жыл бұрын
@@jhmcd2 Even if Sulu had his finger directly on the button, the Reliant still fired phasers at the Enterprise before the shields could have been raised. Should Kirk have given the order sooner? Yes. But the fact is, it still happened too late. This was a flaw of both the Constitution-class and Reliant-class, not just the Enterprise. Hell, it was likely a failure of every Starfleet vessel in service at that time.
@mbitetto67
@mbitetto67 3 жыл бұрын
There's one more simpler reason... everything was happening simultaneously. The order from Khan to fire and Kirk to raise shield happened at the same time.
@Krahazik
@Krahazik 3 жыл бұрын
If you look closely at the captains status display, there is an indicator that shows shields going to raised status when the captain goes to yellow alert. So theoretically, the shields should have been up long before the captain even gave the order. Raising shields is supposed to be part of the automatic procedures done by the ship when going to yellow alert. So, bad writing?
@biggles1852
@biggles1852 3 жыл бұрын
Speaking of stealing starships, I remember a VHS Next-Gen game in the 90's where the D is taken over by a single Klingon who tells the computer to set course for Kronos, max warp and the ship just does it. Crew, why?
@tba113
@tba113 3 жыл бұрын
You! The one who is moving now! _Answer!_
@rsrt6910
@rsrt6910 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, Alexa isn't that much better.
@jonmcgee6987
@jonmcgee6987 3 жыл бұрын
It happened in the book Ship of the Line. The maiden voyage of the Enterprise-E.
@willowmillard
@willowmillard 3 жыл бұрын
In TOS, the warp core didn’t run through the neck. It was either concealed under the dilithium matrix in engineering or replaced by the matter/antimatter intermix valve, depending on who you ask
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
It was in the neck, it was shown in the blueprints and stated by the guys who created the ships.
@willowmillard
@willowmillard 3 жыл бұрын
@@valor1omega Really? It was in the refit enterprise but most of the schematics of the tos version I’ve seen either don’t show a warp core at all or have it under the dilithium matrix (as if that’s the top of the warp core). And as for it being stated by the creators, I find that quite unlikely since at the time of the original series’ airing, the warp core hadn’t even been thought of. They were probably talking about the refit/ enterprise a after the motion picture came out. Either way, it’s great that Star Trek lets us have conversations like this and if all else fails we can always head cannon it to be whichever way we want 🖖
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
@@willowmillard The original Connie the guy who came up with her said it was in the neck.
@willowmillard
@willowmillard 3 жыл бұрын
@@valor1omega Maybe it was, I can’t tell you what to believe. Personally I don’t think so, though. The fact that the antimatter storage dome at the top of the core on the refit isn’t on the tos makes me doubtful
@MatthewCaunsfield
@MatthewCaunsfield 3 жыл бұрын
"The weapons systems were more automated by the movies"... I guess TWOK's manual torpedo launch room doesn't count? 😂
@RichO1701e
@RichO1701e 3 жыл бұрын
Let alone in 6:TUC "Doctor, would you care to assist me in performing surgery on a photon torpedo?"
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
@@RichO1701e For the most part they was automated. Only times they was handled manually was due to damage or making modifications to the torpedo.
@CAP198462
@CAP198462 3 жыл бұрын
Wait a tick, he’s got a goatee...he’s from the alternate universe!
@Katafrakt_
@Katafrakt_ 2 ай бұрын
Mirror* Universe
@Maniac3020
@Maniac3020 3 жыл бұрын
At least the crew of the Enterprise doesn't have to worry about their security cam footage being leaked to the whole galaxy.
@STho205
@STho205 3 жыл бұрын
Except in "Court Marshal"
@nowthatsjustducky
@nowthatsjustducky 3 жыл бұрын
@@STho205 I thought that was all an illusion to keep everyone distracted while they went to Talos IV.
@STho205
@STho205 3 жыл бұрын
@@nowthatsjustducky yet the butt heads had the video logs. Then of course there was Finney and the security camera on the captain's chair. And we saw everything they and later crews did, as it was leaked and transmitted back through time to the 20th century.
@STho205
@STho205 3 жыл бұрын
@@nowthatsjustducky oh and the federation officers bugged the conference room conversation between Spock and Kirk about his hatred of the Klingon, and they leaked that to the Klingons. And the Klingons got ahold of the Kirk film about Project Genesis. I'm thinking Starfleet IS security is really shitty. They must write their passwords on the bottom of their tricorders.
@nowthatsjustducky
@nowthatsjustducky 3 жыл бұрын
@@STho205 So I'm not the only one who calls them the Buttheads... :D
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
Did you even watch the movie? Scotty had to bypass everything and they had only a limited time to slip through the doors. The transporters removed anything that could be dangerous. Also Trekyards would like to have a chat with you, lol.
@danclark1348
@danclark1348 3 жыл бұрын
This is a tv show. Drama was high on the story telling. Effort was to have technological aspects for believability, and at the time of the original series, not much known about space. The networks also had a hand in presenting an action/drama series-"wagon train to the stars" and didn't like the show being too technical, as G. Roddenberry said.
@dennis2376
@dennis2376 3 жыл бұрын
I think the Star Trek plans of the Enterprise had stairs, I have check that out. Also there was a second bridge I believe if the first one was damage, though I agree placing the bridge on the top of ship is stupid, like no restraints for the crew to prevent them from being tossed around. Standing is even a stupider idea.
@michaelglisson8240
@michaelglisson8240 3 жыл бұрын
You also have to remember this was a limited budget 60’s TV show and only Capt Kirk’s chair was fastened to the floor!
@minecat1839
@minecat1839 3 жыл бұрын
Auxiliary control center
@skyeye5150
@skyeye5150 3 жыл бұрын
You forget this is Hollywood. Plus with anything built by humans is imperfect, just ask Nomad.
@will24655
@will24655 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't it get taken over by some children and a ghost too?
@TheSorrel
@TheSorrel 3 жыл бұрын
Basically each time someone entered the enterprise and demanded control over the ship, he eventzally got it.
@shea455
@shea455 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah when he started that riff, I thought... 'oh boy, here come the kids.'
@gangfire5932
@gangfire5932 3 жыл бұрын
LOL, one of the worst _Trek_ episodes ever made . . . right up there with "The Way to Eden" (the "space hippies" episode).
@JJfromPhilly67
@JJfromPhilly67 3 жыл бұрын
@@gangfire5932 Who also stole the ship.
@wayne1916
@wayne1916 3 жыл бұрын
@@gangfire5932 For worst TOS episodes, don't forget to add 'The Empath' and 'Spock's Brain' to the list. I never minded 'The Way to Eden' so much...primarily due to Chekov's love interest, Irina! ;)
@anamericancelt6534
@anamericancelt6534 3 жыл бұрын
Should have mentioned the warp nacelle pylons that were thinner than the neck. Cut off one and the lose FTL.
@rsrt6910
@rsrt6910 3 жыл бұрын
OR she just runs around in circles reeealy, reeealy fast!
@gabevee3
@gabevee3 3 жыл бұрын
@@rsrt6910 "And at warp 8 we're going nowhere fast" - "Last Battlefield"
@anamericancelt6534
@anamericancelt6534 3 жыл бұрын
@@rsrt6910 Doubt it if there are ships with just one nacelle like the Kelvin. Also, the ship itself does not move in warp.
@heintz256
@heintz256 3 жыл бұрын
@@rsrt6910 I got a chuckle when i thought of that.
@TheCinegeeks
@TheCinegeeks 3 жыл бұрын
@@rsrt6910 That's now how propulsion in space works. Without the friction of an atmosphere the ship would still move forward with only one warp nacelle that's why space ships have to have maneuvering thrusters all around the ship.
@cb-gz1vl
@cb-gz1vl 3 жыл бұрын
Little known fact that the ship was supposed to be upside down. Gene decided it would be the way it is now.
@jv-lk7bc
@jv-lk7bc 3 жыл бұрын
actually Gene was *convinced* to leave it the way it was designed, after he first saw it upside down and liked it. (posssibly because you couldnt set it down right side up)
@ianj7194
@ianj7194 3 жыл бұрын
I thought that was for the Reliant?
@cb-gz1vl
@cb-gz1vl 3 жыл бұрын
@@ianj7194 That was true in the JJ movie as well.
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
No, he wanted it upside down, but thankfully the idiot was over ruled. You really think Gene wrote anything? There was three writers and he wasn't one of them. The first terrible season of tng, had they not kicked his ass out of the chair TNG would have floundered.
@christophernemeth421
@christophernemeth421 3 жыл бұрын
In the actual Navy, and large ships in general, when the Captain gives an order it is relayed to the crew in the proper location to carry it out and there is usually a delay. So the engine room crew actual adjusts the ships speed and the crew manning the cannons in the turrets select the right angles and manually fire the guns. A few times on screen in Star Trek shows the bridge notifies the engine room to be ready for warp speed or to be ready to go the maximum warp
@StevenHouse1980
@StevenHouse1980 3 жыл бұрын
"I know this ship like the back of my hand!" thunk. there was about 10ish verients based on the main constitution class ship type. resulting in alot of deck and internal hull modifications. and with the Enterprise-A, I think it was built as one ship,then commissioned as the U.S.S. Yorktown? then was recommissioned as the Enterprise-A right before the end of ST4 The Voyage Home. it was decomishiond a few years later so it was an older ship that at some point it got a refit.
@augiegirl1
@augiegirl1 3 жыл бұрын
“I think this new ship was put together by MONKEYS! Oh, she's got a fine engine, but half the doors won't open! And guess who's job it is to make it right?”
@eldorados_lost_searcher
@eldorados_lost_searcher 3 жыл бұрын
"Scotty, I gave you more time to get her shipshape, what happened?" "I think ye gave me too much time." To be fair, even Kirk had to ask for directions when he came back aboard the Enterprise in The Motion Picture.
@davidanderson5055
@davidanderson5055 3 жыл бұрын
It was the USS Yorktown, one of the few remaining Constitution class vessels left and was given the same refit as Enterprise. It was recommissioned Enterprise A after the original was destroyed.
@mikeb6902
@mikeb6902 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidanderson5055 always wondered how they could've decommissioned it so soon after its entrance in ST4. Now I know. And no wonder it was riddled with problems at the beginning of ST5.
@timetraveler2518
@timetraveler2518 3 жыл бұрын
Another flaw for the battle: How can the USS Enterprise fire on an enemy vessel from the top? USS Enterprise fires enemy from the bottom.
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
Actually her phaser emitters was set in pairs of two, three pairs on the upper section of the saucer and a pair under the saucer. They just used canned footage for budget reasons.
@dannyr2976
@dannyr2976 3 жыл бұрын
Flaws on the original Enterprise, buttons are not labelled. How the hell does everyone know what they're activating, lol!
@skepticalbadger
@skepticalbadger 3 жыл бұрын
Press square on your DS4.
@nathanneumann6178
@nathanneumann6178 3 жыл бұрын
You press them and get lucky. Star Trek Bridge Crew taught me that. But for real, the actual reason for them not being labeled is because, in theory, if anybody ever took over the ship they wouldn’t know what button does what function.
@michaelglisson8240
@michaelglisson8240 3 жыл бұрын
Authorized, trained personnel only. That we actually a good security feature.
@dannyr2976
@dannyr2976 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelglisson8240 I could understand a security measure so unauthorised people cannot have access, but the TNG era used a colour code, bold graphics and a series of numbers that represent that function (except in 'Generations' of course where it's just blatantly there for all to see shield modulation! AHHH, DON'T GET ME STARTED!!!) but TOS it's like a yellow button here, a red button there. Imagine your first time as communication officer. Captain: _"Open hailing frequencies!"_ Communications: _"Yes, Captain!"_ ......................................... Captain: _"Well, what's taking so long!"_ Communications: _ [Thinking...] _"Is it is first green button in the second row, or second button in the third row?..."_
@dodgedaytona25
@dodgedaytona25 3 жыл бұрын
@@dannyr2976 As the keys on a piano are never labeled either. You know their meaning just by position through learning and training. And they are all just black and white.
@andrewbesso4257
@andrewbesso4257 3 жыл бұрын
On the other hand, a model of the original Enterrise performed very well in wind tunnel tests, up to Mach 3. Also, the US Navy studied the layout of the original bridge, and found that it was a very good design.
@johnharris6655
@johnharris6655 3 жыл бұрын
The Phaser room existed so the guy who got married could be killed by it later in the show.
@forestwells5820
@forestwells5820 3 жыл бұрын
The Enterprise B was meant to just "run around the block", most likely to test her engines. Something you often do with a ship during construction. So I don't think it's quite so silly for her to be out and about with some components missing. Though why they were the only ship in range while in the Sol system is... well that's a common gripe that can be (and in many cases is) its own video. #3 has A LOT of variables unaccounted for. 1) Cadet crew. They aren't as trained or experienced. Some may have not gotten much of any training in a lot of areas yet. 2) Protocols. Starfleet is often wildly unresponsive to such things. So not even giving the order is in character for how they operate. Plus Kirk let himself get arrogant or stupid despite a clear regulation that likely told him to act differently. 3) Activation time. The shields very likely need a moment to fully engage. The Reliant fires before they can become a defensive barrier. 4) Damage. The Reliant's first hit is the engineering section. That very likely ruined main power on impact, which left the shields without the power they need to activate. You missed an exit with #8 for the Enterprise D. The conference room attaches to deck 1, or it's own turbo lift (never been certain which), so they could also get out that way. Otherwise, can't say I disagree with any of them.
@flowerlord0
@flowerlord0 3 жыл бұрын
Just saying, originally, a ship could be easily destroyed, even without weak spots, because of the firepower of the weapons. That is why they rely so much on shields, and plus Scotty has been seen saying that once shields go down their ship would be destroyed from a shot from the enemy vessel. Until the movies and TNG, where they completely throw that out of the window. So they probably found a new way to enhance the hull. Also, they probably didn't worry about ships can taken over because of the factor they could shut off shields on an enemy vessel as seen in Wrath of Khan. Also, Star Trek 5 was a pretty bad movie. They travel to the center of the galaxy too easily, and the whole story didn't really make sense.
@travissmith2848
@travissmith2848 3 жыл бұрын
Center of the galaxy, not universe. Otherwise decent post.
@dragonrune6800
@dragonrune6800 3 жыл бұрын
They can only "turn off" the shields of a Federation ship. They had to look up its 5-digit code as it was.
@MikeSmith-rh5gc
@MikeSmith-rh5gc 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think that was a window. In the opening of “The Cage”, I thought it was just a cut through to show the audience what’s going on or where the bridge was. You never see a window in any interior shots or on any models
@davidbarnhart6228
@davidbarnhart6228 3 жыл бұрын
I think your right. It makes more sense.
@jamesbrown4092
@jamesbrown4092 3 жыл бұрын
I'd definitely say that it was a case of artistic license in that shot. As you pointed out, it's never show as a window in any other shot (CGI notwithstanding), and the bridge is very well lit - more that can be accounted for by perimeter lighting - so there has to be overhead lighting.
@user-go9mz6fr4v
@user-go9mz6fr4v Ай бұрын
"Imagine living in a house, where the walls are full of dynamite" BINGO.
@jayc3479
@jayc3479 3 жыл бұрын
1 TOS was FLAWLESS. 2 How dare you.
@mattrodgers4878
@mattrodgers4878 3 жыл бұрын
Captain Kirk managed just fine with VERY primitive equipment! Jolly Rancher candy glued to cardboard control panels. State of the art in 1966! ✅
@blppt
@blppt 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattrodgers4878 "Mr. Scott, please stop eating the control switches."
@timetraveler2518
@timetraveler2518 3 жыл бұрын
"How dare you" was from a brainwashing leftist-minded Swedish girl named Greta Thunberg who spoke these words. Therefore, it is irrelevant because she has a lack of sense of politeness and understanding. She is a spoiled kid whom left-wing politicans and leftist mainstream media choose her as a token of the young generations to lead the leftist political advocate.
@Karen1963Yorks
@Karen1963Yorks 3 жыл бұрын
Why would they "Take Kirks keys"? He had a certain level of trust as did his officers.
@paulkirby2761
@paulkirby2761 2 ай бұрын
Kirk - "Scotty, raise shields" Scotty - "Right now?"
@erikpereira937
@erikpereira937 3 жыл бұрын
Lets not forget when a handful of space hippies stole the Enterprise pretty easily.
@crankychris2
@crankychris2 3 жыл бұрын
"And a nice lot, too".
@brunozeigerts6379
@brunozeigerts6379 3 жыл бұрын
In the classic series, the Enterprise had a feature where the shields would automatically come on in response to a threat. Yet this feature seems absent from the refitted versions... though there might be reasons for that. Star Trek II... the shields don't come on during Reliant's approach... but that might be due to it being a Federation vessel. Star Trek III... again, with the approach of a Bird of Prey... shields don't come on. But ... Scotty might have been manually controlling the systems. Star Trek V... shields don't come on before Bird of Prey opens fire. But that could be due to a: Cloaked vessel, or b: the previously mentioned technical glitches plaguing the ship. Or maybe someone decided that shields coming on automatically on the approach of an unidentified vessel might be provocative and had the system removed.
@nowthatsjustducky
@nowthatsjustducky 3 жыл бұрын
Star Trek II... Sir, their shields are still down But of course. We are all one big happy fleet.
@Goatcha_M
@Goatcha_M 3 жыл бұрын
On the subject of easy to steal, there is the secondary/battle bridge that has been used to take control at least once by hostiles. Also, if I designed the ship, I'd have emergency respirators stored in cabinets in key areas such as the bridge, main engineering, galley. Just in case Life Support was compromised.
@berthulf
@berthulf 3 жыл бұрын
The refit version had this. There are compartments throughout the bridge and ship clearly labeled as such. Just wasn't something that occurred to them in 1960's tv-land.
@deepspire
@deepspire 3 жыл бұрын
How about TWOK when we learned that all starships can be hacked and controlled by another starship by entering a five number combination code.
@rustyhausmann7768
@rustyhausmann7768 3 жыл бұрын
Spock doesn't shoot him just because he's a Vulcan but because he's his half Brother
@nicolaiveliki1409
@nicolaiveliki1409 3 жыл бұрын
Star Fleet also doesn't seem to have any OSHA guidelines
@davidhoffman1278
@davidhoffman1278 3 жыл бұрын
Open ladders with no fall cages. Drives me nuts as we had to add them to almost all our laaders. What, OSHA stopped enforcing fall protection in that century?
@nicolaiveliki1409
@nicolaiveliki1409 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidhoffman1278 yeah and not to mention exploding computer terminals
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
@@nicolaiveliki1409 Plug in a computer to an outlet and run a powerful electrical surge through it and tell me what happens. Same thing.
@nicolaiveliki1409
@nicolaiveliki1409 3 жыл бұрын
@@valor1omega yeah it's like this kind of hazard could be prevented if you just had a rough idea of the weapons capabilities of your opponents
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
@@nicolaiveliki1409 Even if you did know doesn't mean it would help much if they overload the shields and cause powerful feedback throughout the system.
@jozefkozon4520
@jozefkozon4520 3 жыл бұрын
The ISD bridge doesn't look that exposed anymore, does it?
@DrT3st
@DrT3st 3 жыл бұрын
Regarding Khan and raising the shields: I always imagined, that alle the things on the bridges were happening much more simultaneously but could not been shown otherwise.
@Scott11078
@Scott11078 2 жыл бұрын
I used to never have an issue with the bridges on the ships in Star Trek. Then I joined the Navy my second ship was a DDG and I learned they really just to steering and partial navigation up there. The Captian fought the ship from Combat which is buried deep within the ship offering as much protection as possible. You really don't even need the bridge, we did the primary navigating down there, central control is engineering and can control the speed and a lookout can feed steering information back to aft steering. But when they made the original series anyone that served on a ship or any other branch back then was pre digital era. While engineering still controlled the speed and you could directly steer from aft steering they couldn't really separate everything else as much. I wonder if the original series wasn't imagined until a few decades later if they would have decided not to make one of the most critical parts of the ship into a HEY EVERYONE SHOOT RIGHT HERE.
@scottbraun2457
@scottbraun2457 3 жыл бұрын
I still like the incredibly flawed sunroof/solarium. Yes. A huge weakness, but, a creative engineering genius -(or above average builder), could have managed a "lifehack", of the period, and made a protective dome, seem see-through -(at least.. from the inside).
@casbot71
@casbot71 3 жыл бұрын
The Excelsior lasted for centuries cause it had a thick neck…
@sergioaccioly5219
@sergioaccioly5219 3 жыл бұрын
It lasted 100 years because B&B made their business to downplay as much of of TOS as they could, but couldn't get rid of ALL models of the era due to budget considerations. So, the Excelsior lasted while the Constitution didn't. And I must comment that the original Enterprise (NX-01 doesn't count) survived for 40 years, was destroyed when was used for a mission waaay outside their operational parameters, with 2% of the intended crew, against a state of the art klingon ship. The Ent-D was completely crewed, operating well within their parameters and still managed to lose to a scout ship 20 years out of date. After seven years of operations. I don't know of any class that became obsolete in Trek canon faster than the Galaxy. Here's material for a future video: why the Galaxy class lasted so little time operating as a frontline ship.
@TheSorrel
@TheSorrel 3 жыл бұрын
@@sergioaccioly5219 Probably because the Galaxy Class was a Luxury liner made for a peaceful time that lasted around a decade.
@sergioaccioly5219
@sergioaccioly5219 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheSorrel Shouldn't ships of the line be build to do heavy work, including combat (as a deterrent, if nothing else?)> This "it was built for a different time" excuse never convinced me. The Ent-D never performed as the most badass ship in the known galaxy should work.
@Restilia_ch
@Restilia_ch 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to point out that separate fire controls from the main bridge are VERY common on military ships. Unless you're on something with very restricted space (like a submarine) CIC isn't even the same deck as the bridge. The bridge is where the ship is overall commanded from and where all steering commands are issued. CIC is in charge of the weapons and can act independently of the bridge but usually will only respond to orders from there.
@heavymetal19610
@heavymetal19610 3 жыл бұрын
Great content thxs!
@geraldshields9035
@geraldshields9035 3 жыл бұрын
Uh, Spock fails to shoot Sybok because he’s his half brother.
@anamericancelt6534
@anamericancelt6534 3 жыл бұрын
I think that was part of their "humanity first" jokes.
@sketchtherapy1218
@sketchtherapy1218 3 жыл бұрын
I love your Star Trek videos & American Ben's Expanse videos. When I look at that big clock in London, Ben Franklin, American Ben & you, I get a sense that Bens are awesome. Have a great day.
@dannyr2976
@dannyr2976 3 жыл бұрын
Just like _Uncle Ben's_ and Ben Sisko, lol!
@timbuktu8069
@timbuktu8069 3 жыл бұрын
Two ships in combat at warp speeds. Kirk-"Fire on my signal."
@tpl608
@tpl608 3 жыл бұрын
When you say infested the ship, you show kirk opening a cargo door on the space station. While both were infested, your image is misleading or your words are. Dud you even watch the show?
@Connor.SG-1Ring
@Connor.SG-1Ring 3 жыл бұрын
*SUGGESTION:* Top Sci-fi Alien Races that have invaded Earth. Are giant mechs suitable for a realistic space combat? Everything Wrong with the Battle of Hogwarts.
@scottbraun2457
@scottbraun2457 3 жыл бұрын
Slow function shields, today's TV; 1980s instant noise and picture, 2000-NOW...still waiting...and...waiting "I hope I left it on the right channel, or the show'll be over when I find it"...
@jeffmassi8308
@jeffmassi8308 3 жыл бұрын
The shields and Kahn. I always took that scene as stuff that happened at the same time
@davidanderson5055
@davidanderson5055 3 жыл бұрын
The shields issue on TWOK is merely a plot device. Had Enterprise raised shields in time it would have been a very short battle: heavy cruiser + experienced commander v light cruiser + novice = dead light cruiser.
@I.Simmonds
@I.Simmonds 3 жыл бұрын
If British Ben worked out and got ripped he could call himself Big Ben.
@nathanaelculver5308
@nathanaelculver5308 3 жыл бұрын
3:45 *You’d think the tactical officer’s finger would be hovering over the shields button* _I’d_ think that by the 24th century they’d have figured out how to program the ship’s computer to automatically raise shields under provocative circumstances - like an unknown hostile raising shields and powering up weapons. But that’s just me.
@atigerclaw
@atigerclaw 3 жыл бұрын
Bridge flaw is the one most sci-fi will be most annoyed about, but it's also a flaw that was effectively in the design bible. The bridge's position and exposure exists to give the ship a sense of scale to the audience. The phaser bank flaw is likely because the concept of the starship at that point in time was based on naval design. Battleships had gunnery houses (turrets) where men loaded the weapons. Submarines had torpedo rooms. You didn't have full weapons automation because that concept wasn't mainstream yet. If you extrapolate this flaw across the board, other ships of the era had the same limitation. Art mimics reality, after all. Shield response flaw in the wrath of khan is less a shield flaw, and more likely cinematic time. The shields weren't slow, Kirk ordered the shields up the same moment Khan said 'FIRE!'. The shots were in space before the grid got instructed to energize.
@casbot71
@casbot71 3 жыл бұрын
*Lore Reloaded* just released a video 3 hours later claiming that the Constitution class was decommissioned cause it could time travel easily and that was just too great a risk… Which is proven by the fact that his video didn't get _uploaded first._
@antcow1239
@antcow1239 3 жыл бұрын
Why was early Klingon costumes basically black face? Because it was the best that could be done at the time so do excuse the people of the past not being able to look into the future to see how frail your sensibilities would become. That's why. Now get the hell over it.
@williamseneyjr.6277
@williamseneyjr.6277 3 жыл бұрын
Calm down Karen, I'm sure he'll be alright. Take your Midol *before* you comment yeah?
@JaredLS10
@JaredLS10 3 жыл бұрын
Best they could come up with? TOS showed us the blue faced with and antenna Andorians and scrunched up pig faced Tellerites. One would think they would throw a little more detail in to one of the shows main protagonists.
@antcow1239
@antcow1239 3 жыл бұрын
@@JaredLS10 Well they didnt so too bad, the hell are you going to do about it? Time travel and tell them how upset they made people in the future? they would probably laugh you off after asking if you had the money to make it better XD
@nowthatsjustducky
@nowthatsjustducky 3 жыл бұрын
I go with Worf's explanation. "It's a long story."
@MK0272
@MK0272 3 жыл бұрын
Lack of escape pods and their apparent inability to place the ship in a stable orbit.
@RideAcrossTheRiver
@RideAcrossTheRiver 3 жыл бұрын
"Laddie, don't ye think ye should ... rephrase tha'?"
@Foxxtronix
@Foxxtronix 3 жыл бұрын
02:57 Not so much a rebuttal as a side note. The Enterprise A had all those technical problems because it was slapped together as quickly as possible from leftover parts. Parts that had not been used because, in many cases, they had too many technical problems. Kit-bashed ship, crew full of cadets, and similar handicaps were often heaped on Kirk to make it harder for him by the writers, so that he appeared more heroic.
@genostellar
@genostellar 3 жыл бұрын
Flaw #11. That giant saucer section is basically a giant target. Although, I do like the flaw about the thin neck. I think that's the most obvious flaw of the ship.
@CZ350tuner
@CZ350tuner 3 жыл бұрын
The phaser control room is on a parallel with all (and including) modern sea faring warship fire control room, which is situated deep inside the bowels of a warship. This is a good design feature as it prevents the all to vulnerable bridge (even on modern seafaring warships) being the hub of weapons system control. Even without the bridge or auxiliary control, a ship can still return fire. On the Enterprise 8 pairs of phaser turret banks have to be powered & coordinated.
@blazerocker1734
@blazerocker1734 3 жыл бұрын
The Enterprise was always constructed with the finest plottonium available which is why it nearly always made it home.
@valor1omega
@valor1omega 3 жыл бұрын
Oh like the falcon, the X-wing, Vader's tie fighter, the defiant, ect? The Connie may have made it home more often but she was built during the cold war era of trek. She was a tough old girl whom I would argue was tougher than the defiant. But unlike the Connie the defiant had sisko plot armor. The garbage hauler had more durability than it had any right to have had. The only other ship in trek to have that kind of plot armor was discovery. Hmm, what does discovery and defiant have in common I wonder?
@architecturecodex9818
@architecturecodex9818 3 жыл бұрын
One hopes this is all tongue in cheek as the things regarded as flaws are how they create drama and tension. Otherwise the series would not have been as much fun.
@stratometal
@stratometal 3 жыл бұрын
British BEN! What a pleasant surprise, nice to see you again dude!
@luminaire4946
@luminaire4946 3 жыл бұрын
Kirk gave the order for shields to be raised when he called a yellow alert. Canonically shields are automatically raised and weapons go on standby when that alert is called. yet on screen we see the exact opposite occur. This was several minutes before khan ordered his shields up.
@shea455
@shea455 3 жыл бұрын
Enterprise A was broken a lot because it hadn't cleared it's shakedown. Even in real world navy builds, that's a fairly normal thing... you put a lot of custom parts together, some of it is bound to be malfunctioning at first. That's why commissioning is different from launch.
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