My favorite too, but I can't relate to the "being from the midwest" cuz I'm from Brazil, southeast haha

@@eduardoevaristo4749 Brazil is the Detroit of the world and Detroit is Midwest so you good G

@@eduardoevaristo4749 there is a city called Brazil in Indiana

@@user-xo2th7xo4w That makes me slightly happier, or not lollol

@@Artemis77700 Just looked it up, kinda interesting how the name came to be, that'll be my excuse from now on

me too, one of my favorite riffs

Haha same

Movies like juno

Both! Midwest pen pals and Mechant Ship are the besttttt

Fuck I melted down and was like GUY IS SO ACCURATE

Never meant is good, but the summer ends is my favourite song by them :)

the summer ends is such a fucking good song dont get me wrong but Never Meant is basic because it’s good

I kind of wish he played "I'll see you when we both aren't so emotional" or "but the regrets are killing me"

But The Regrets Are Killing Me >

I’m a stay home kinda guy

This is a very emo comment.

I don’t if it’s necessary you know ok Emo is cool happy not depress self harm sucidie that’s not Emo ok people I know believes me about the stuff it’s a long story about facts and truths about them stuff ok also about fashion and suck Byers’s fashion can be other colors other kinds of pants also shorts

I don’t think I is what I mean’t to put down ok

@@jakeknapp6833 dawg that was straight gibberish

I just had a brain aneurysm and compound hernia from reading this dude’s replies

Kyraito Yagami I know!!!

The part he played wasn't a very good example of screamo though.

@@Ninjamanhammer wouldve been better to put Saetia or something for screamo yeah but still

Orchid - Epilogue of a Car Crash

My thoughts exactly.

try The Hotelier

TheNagisa24 fuck I forgot to add them I love them

Modern baseball but no American football?

@@weshayward2558 I know... kids these days.

Charlie C-K I might replace Appleseed’s spot with AF

This is emo..

@@baron5688 emo originated from punk

@@smoking3875 it originated from the dc hardcore scene. emo is short for emotional hardcore.

​... and hardcore originated from punk

I'm from England and don't know what the midwest is. But when I imagine it i think of pine trees. Friendly suburbs and autumn

@@dogjohnny559 as someone from the Midwest you pretty much got it right

@@dogjohnny559 ope, lemme squeeze by ya just to tell you you're spot on. specifically has to do with states that are around the great lakes, in the middle of america, (Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, and Wisconsin)

@@f67739 “o p e” yea you’re definitely a Midwesterner hahah

Well, mike kinsella actually played drums on cap'n jazz

@@ComradePilas ooooo i actually didnt know that. thats cool learn something new everday

It used to be Alpha Kappa Fall of Troy that got me emotional everytime I heard it, but then the wedding singer grew on me. That main riff hits different sometimes. AKFoT will always be my favorite though.

And post rock

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Yes, as far as I know there are only two styles of emo...and it only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness). Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta. Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE

Rohan Jyothinagaram the fact that you’re trying to cage emo in proves that you don’t really know what being emo or the whole style of emo ever stood for. Music evolves, scenes evolve, if this crossbreeding and evolution never happened we’d never have any of the music we have today. Metalcore came from metal, metal came from rock, rock came from the blues and that’s just a very narrow part of music. Once you say that one type of music belongs to a certain people you’ve lost what music is about.

Scott Lynch lol do you know what copypasta is? Issa joke dude

@@rohanjyothinagaram9507 thanks king

@@rohanjyothinagaram9507 i think that's also a copypasta

Ah, so all of toes is apparently not a math rock band to you?

Ah so all of toe is apparently not a math rock band to you?

@@zerronyx1362 not , watch the fkn name of the genre

Yeah, that part was pretty painful. Even more so since math rock isn't a type of emo, it's an unrelated rock subgenre that just happens to overlap occasionally (Same with post-rock at the end). And to weigh in on the following conversation, sure math rock bands can have riffs in 4/4 (and many bands have entirely songs that are mostly, if not entirely, in 4/4) but the sole defining feature of the genre is the use of odd time signatures and other uncommon rhythmic tools. People also love to throw the term "math rock" around in places where it's not really relevant and where they don't seem to actually know what they're talking about, for example anything with a twinkly tapping riff is probably going to get the label even when it shouldn't. So it's a pretty natural reaction to cringe when you're watching a video about a completely different rock subgenre, they randomly name drop math rock and then play a 4/4 riff with no clear connection to the genre. Also, I'm not sure I'd really consider Toe a great example of a math rock band anyway since they're just as much a post-rock band as well. Admittedly I haven't listened to too much of them but if they do have long stretches of only 4/4 then I'd assume those songs would be better classified as examples of post-rock than examples of math rock. Although I've been listening to their first album while typing this up to refresh my memory of their music and during this paragraph a song went from a 7/4 riff, to a long 3/4 section then closed out in 4/4 so they're also not "entirely in a 4/4" either which also shoots down that argument.

@@TheSquareOnes that math rock riff was from TMP. They definitely fit the bill, at least the older stuff

what's a good place to start with Pg99?

@@maxonmendel5757 document 8

@@maxonmendel5757 My favs in order, 12, 7, 8, 5

@@maxonmendel5757 Specific songs, "In Love with an Apparition" was the first I heard by them, though I think Document #5 is an overall better album than that one's #8.

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Cool

Rad

Sad N Rad.

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Seriously. I was looking for a comment acknowledging that lol.

i love this

makes you wonder if Rome Plows, Luau, or Caress was too hard, but tbh I enjoyed the unexpected deep cut :D

Same! I fucking love them.

Well Cap'n Jazz was more Tim Kinsella's thing to be fair. Mike just played drums

honestly id classify tinkledaddies under midwest emo

@@xyouthe is literally the same genre, like, not even joking, Just 2 different names but is, in it's core, the same thing

Tofeti they are very similar but I feel like twinkledaddies are usually more fast paced

@@xyouthe Twinkledadies is joke term for midwest emo like skramz for screamo right?

Yeah came for this comment.

Lol this blow.my mind

Yes!!! YESYESYES I would love to hear that tbh

Seconding this, a very weird but captivating idea

Umm are they not???

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Idk bro, i don't think Emo Rap is real

@@ComradePilas Its very iffy. Lil Peep is the farthest Ill go into it as he very much fits the suit when it comes to Emo, while the rest of Emo rap is generally more rap than emo, if emo at all.

@@dylanroemmele906 I did my "hw" and basically emo rap dont need to be called emo, most of the artist dont have any emo influence, Lil Peep had more pop punk influence, also is funny how it started to be called sad rap but later changed to be called emo rap because people thinks Emo=Sad

@@ComradePilas Pop Punk samples and inspiration is true, I get behind that, and yeah most Emo Rappers are just embarrassing to even have the name emo to have attached but generally, lyrically, Lil Peep and some really really underground people have the emo part of emo rap. His album "Talk to Me When Your Sober Pt. 1 & 2" in most communities are accepted as being emo. The rest of his works are generally more rap oriented. In fact he has a few songs with emo samples. I'll give an example of lyrics, try to differentiate the Lil Peep one and the Emo one. ("I'll cry for another eyesore and Think about our first kiss by the tree And how it meant so much to me Nobody knows the me that you do Gonna take some getting used to And I think I'm getting through to you But, all that shit I put you through ain't right And I know that I'm barely ever home But I think of you on the road and she don't keep not a memory of me I used to wait in my room for a single sign from you Said, "I hate you" 'cause I knew that you would never love me too) (On the kitchen counter Exhale smoke through the screen door Watch the clock for hours Am I just tired or am I just really bored? Or am I scared That this will never work out? Well tell me am I scared? 'Cause every ten minutes a plane flies by I wonder if I'll ever get any sleep tonight And that's what I get for renting a Place just two blocks away from an airport You'd be laughing in my face if I weren't so far away but You're forced to do it over on the phone now) (My lifestyle is a form of suicide But then again everyone’s is Mine just may be faster than others The drinking, smoking, hearing from my mother That I should take much better care of myself I spend my life staring at my bedroom walls The TVs on but I don’t care In my mind it really hasn’t been that long But then reality sets in and It’s been years All alone in my room Without anything to do ) 2 Contemporary emo songs, 1 lil peep

@@dylanroemmele906 it's come over when your sober

I think he ment that post-rock can be emo, you know the appleseed cast and pianos become the teeth, not that post is emo

I recommend you go listen to Para Establecer un Rio, an Argentinian band that mixes post rock and Emo deliciously well

It's not like he wrote that. It was tiny moving parts.

the point is to sound "math rocky" not literally math rock

@@justalex3209 I getcha, not knocking what the guy's doing its very well done, just pointing that out

i guess thats what i dislike about bands like tiny moving parts being considered math rock despite them really just doin tappy guitars and thats the only similarity

@@judecorbin1893 true

TheNagisa24 that’s post-rock

I listened to it when I was emo 🤷 but I think I agree

Ah, originally I agreed with you but now that I think of it, post rock is a very emo genre

@@JShortsFR It's a sad genre, but musically it's very different from emo. Obviously they can and do overlap but most post-rock isn't anything like emo.

I completely agree, but I'm still glad to hear it in this vid

jail socks good

Haha yeah I actually clicked on this to see what kinda "emo" garbage was going to pop up.

this was the best one

i also love this

There is actually a song on +44 discography where he covers 'I am One'

nachoff god I love Jacob Ewald

I wasnt able to remember his name lol

His names Jake

we love jake

That's not even true

they’re one of the more well-known midwest emo bands formed in the last 15 years

they're very well known despite only having one release but thats mostly cuz of their previous band merchant ships

Well they need to be put on Spotify!!

@@ididgt4259 how bud

Agree. Check out No Motiv “and the sadness prevails” album.

CFD. Huge W

Sunny day real estate is by far the best band ever for me

Dawid Piątek hell yeah

Props for Christie Front Drive! Top 5 for me too

@@SugarpillProd The newest Mineral single is awesome. Listen now.

LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I THINK ABOUT FROOOOGGG SPIIITT

That's awesome!

I don't think there is a difference, or at least in my experience they are used interchangeably within the emo community. Always thought the term was used ironically as a nickname for midwest emo, because the genre is characterized by its twinkly guitars. I don't know though, the emo community takes its genre labeling very seriously (r/emojerk exists for a reason), so it wouldn't surprise me if there's people out there who think there's a distinction lol.

Simply, i think midwest emo is not always put math rock in their music. And twinkly is a emo that use mathrock in their music. So twinkly can consider as midwest emo, but miswest emo not always twinkly

Midwest emo had more parts that derived from hardcore and punk. Twinkle just focuses on the parts with the arpeggios.

Twinkle is a very specific like seasoning while Midwest emo is a genre based on vibes

@@charlottesimss9853 this!

Exactly, screamo bands were influenced by emocore that was basically emotional post hardcore in the 80's

Yeah a lot of screamo branched off of emocore/hardcore turning into powerviolence and post-hardcore

I DID GT I did the same thing