YES!! People don’t give it enough credit I don’t think.

The aro was the thing that made me first notice infinity, it reminded me of X-Com. That was enough

Much better than waiting around for your turn.

I think the ARO system is what gives infinity the balance. Most table top games just let you sit there in second turn and watch your army get shot to pieces. With ARO, you have a chance to dodge or shoot back. Disrupting the other players game plan.

Exactly. At least you have an alpha strike counter in infinity.

Angel is an epic master of the craft and I'm also an avid follower. Weirdly I hadn't heard of him until playing Infinity either. He's the mini wargaming world's best kept secret I think!

I was curious about the rpg, is one of those I'm evaluating for starting a scifi rpg (been DMing only D&D for more than 20 years and want a change of setting). What's your opinion on it? What do you feel are its pros and cons? Would you say it's good also for newbies or just for hardcore gamers? What about the mechanic of Momentum/Heat, does it work? Which manuals do you feel are good purchases? PS: sorry for the wall of questions, I'm just trying to get as much data as I can ^^".

@@mrmaster9801 Well so far (I haven't ran the game yet for my group) But I have read through the materials. "Corebook" and "Adventures through the Human Sphere" felt like the necessary books to start with. AttHS has a good foundation of adventures to understand the structure of the adventures, and gives you many examples to draw from. The Corebook pretty much has everything you need to start playing. If you want to, the collection of Faction Books (what look like setting books), are actually additional player generation extras for that faction... and some cool fluff for the Gamemaster. 2d20 system is different than traditional d20 D&D, so you'll need to get your head into it, success rolls and how many "successes" run the game mechanics, Damage is a lot different than d20. Each 2d20 game (Star Trek/Conan...) has some differences tweaked to the genre. Difficulty wise... It can be heavy to read through, and you have to approach it by clearing your brain of any d20 system, you are starting over on a clean slate.

As for Starships and stuff like that... there is less focus, it's there but not as defined and detailed as TRAVELLER, or Stars without Number. The focus is on the individual player characters and missions. A lot of para-military and some slice-of-life. Infinity is a skirmish game front and foremost, and the RPG builds on it by giving you more fluff to draw on in the setting. As for core ideas... it focuses on combat missions and super-spies... not so much exploration... though you could throw that in. The core of it is the "known" interlocking systems and the "known" conflict areas vs the Combine or "spy vs spy" antics of the factions... TRAVELLER is more episodic explorers or ship-centric, "the unknown" is used a lot more.

@@28mmRPG thanks, that was a nice explanation, brief yet clear 👍🏻. I'm aware of the importance of having an open mind with regard to the 2d20 system, but is nice to have it underlined by someone who actually read the manuals. I suppose I'll have to try the game before choosing if running it, I'll look for some group and put it to the test.

😂 that matters have been a more accurate title

The great thing is, we don't even need to talk down about 40k. Just talking up about all the games we love makes GW's shortcomings and shenanigans stand out in stark comparison.

I’ve just become very aware of how often I say ‘so’ in videos so can empathise with how easy those traps are! He really is a character and helps make infinity so accessible. Love the team at Corvus Belli.

He’s the best!

I’m incredibly grateful to everyone that put the time and effort into trying to get new players engaged. While GW has a network of stores across the world CB only has the passion and dedication of the warcors. Hoping that channels can help with their efforts to grow the community 😃

😬 yeah. You know it’s bad when the FAQ gets FAQd. So happy to have found Infinity!!

Come now, they're not releasing new editions to refine and improve what they've already got. They're overhauling the system as quickly and often as possible so that you'll have to buy all new books (and when you discover your existing army is nerfed or outright illegal, all new models too). That's the only way they can support their ridiculous release schedule. So glad when I got that monkey off my back for good.

Personally I believe you’re right with their methodology. A game that’s been around as long as 40k shouldn’t need as many game defining tweaks as it gets.

100% this. I’ve even lamented that a favourite unit is unless me only to find that a mission comes around where it’s the perfect tool. There’s something for everyone in each faction.

I know it's not the same game but the fact that it's compatible is just great. I'm pretty shure I will want more when I get my hands on it however :-P

I do like the look of Defiance especially the platinum pledge. Have you received your stuff yet?

Just saying what we’re all thinking but too distracted to say 😜

Can’t tell you how much it means to receive a comment like this. This is exactly what the channel is about and welcome to the family!

Very true!

No questions are dumb! We’ve all probably asked the same ones at some stage but great to hear you’re getting into it and let us know how your progress goes!

The barrier to getting started is, financially, very low - it’s just the rules learning I think is tricky for new people. Great that you’re doing demo games etc though!

Yes this would make a huge difference. I’ve had to do Google image searches many times to see what the model looks like while researching a faction.

🙌🙌🙌 we don’t deserve the mighty Carlos!

Thank you! Always enjoy your comments. I certainly don’t regret the switch at all!

Thanks so much for the comment Jamie!! I had exactly the same feelings going into this as you and I’m so glad to hear you’re sticking with it. Nomads was the army that got me into Infinity!! Never owned them but they look so cool. Keep us posted with your progress!!

That’s a collection! But you’re completely right, 100 models for 40k would barely be a list!

Infinity Gamer yeah I was only going to do 2 factions when I started Pan O then with dire foes Haq was the 2nd faction then someone at CB had a brilliant idea of putting out Icestorm, Red Veil, Wildfire and finally Kaldstrom 🤦🏿‍♂️

Hahaha wow that’s a good collection! N4 is looking good for getting new factions. With so many models from other factions being useful in O12 I think I’ll start dipping my toe in other factions too.

@@the_infinitygamer I mostly got Wildfire to get a head start on getting Definance painted up

That’s excellent logic. And now with Starmada and Defiance coming within months of each other potentially there’s a lot of painting to be done!

Wow that’s amazing!!!!

I’m quite jealous! Hopefully one day our paths will cross 😃

@@the_infinitygamer both times it was at GenCon, check out my Insta instagram.com/p/BvAJpRAngr_/ Carlos signed my art book :)

I don’t get how CB can constantly design and produce models that look so good! They are so much better than GW’s stuff IMHO.

@@the_infinitygamer i was thinking about this earlier and I think that gw designs its models with assembly and painting in mind to aid new players and make it more accessible. Infinity models are not constrained by this 😂

I think you’re right. Every so of a sprue join will be really awkward but most of the time GW put them where they can be easily sanded off. However I find it harder to accidentally gouge a hole in the model by slipping with some clippers with metal!

@@the_infinitygamer i noticed because i have a malifaux model i need to paint and he has a huge billowing coat (sandeep if you're interested) but there's not many deep cracks or folds so I was looking for tutorials and they were all on gw models with deep creases and sharp edges you can shade and highlight easier.

🙌 love the look of your channel by the way. Anyone reading this should check it out!

I felt the same towards the end of 40k - basically a pay to play system and then they’d hike the price of the models needed! That’s awesome that you’ve got a partner to ply against as well and even better that she stays in character 😂. There’s not much to love about Infinity and I’m just shocked that it’s not more popular.

@@the_infinitygamer haha yeah its fun. I tried to introduce a few of my 40k mates into it but still no bites as they arent interested in playing the game yet. Hopefully codeone changes that.

I’m the same. The main person I played 40k with is a bit resistant but I’m hoping Code One changes that.

Thanks for the thumbs up!

Aeldari seem to be in a similar position. I’m sure CB would change if they were managed by accountants too.

A problem? I think you have solved the meaning of life!!

11 and 13 were on my original list but had to make way for other points. I think we can all agree that there are more than 10 reasons to love Infinity and CB! The balance in the armies is a real unsung hero in CB’s work. As is the ‘rule of cool’ still enabling you to have a good list. Honestly there’s so much these guys have got right that I could easily do a follow-up 10 reasons and still not cover everything.

You’re so welcome. I’m hoping to do more content that helps new players get into Infinity through Code One as I fully understand how difficult it can be. There’s definitely a big difference between the missions in the box sets and the main rules, especially with N3. Im hoping Code One changes all of that and works as a transition phase between box set rules and N4. Having done all the Wildfire missions I was surprised that they missed out so much of the N3 rules and if it wasn’t for an excellent group of more experienced players I would never have grasped the game to a level where I could enjoy it. Ariadna are so cool! Every time I’ve played against them I’ve enjoyed the models and their abilities. Pan O and Yu Jing are also excellent choices and I was super tempted to get Koldstrom. Let me know if there’s particular content you’d find valuable going into Code One and N4 😁

@@the_infinitygamer I love the challenge of in-depth rules so as I finish reading up on my Operation Coldfront book and move onto the double book of N3 I m looking to get much more knowledgeable about the game certainly as I get into the rule section. I know N4 is coming but it doesn't annoy me funnily enough. I am totally blown away at the quality and detail of the miniatures. I thought they were good but when I got them painted, I was just in awe. I had a lot of fun painting up my Ariadna force just got the Ratnik to go. I have him built, based and ready for final paintwork. Again what a miniature!! Like yourself I am hoping the Code One really makes the transition from starting to advanced rules a lot easier as I can see its a big jump from what we both have in our starter sets to the N3 ruleset. I hope to show you my miniatures sometime and see what you think. Im looking forward to the Alephi faction of my set and then the Beyond Coldfront set. Ive been watching the videos of Carlos who is just such a character and the more I listen to him the more I understand. He had that slide showing how balanced the various factions are. Glad to see Ariadna kicks butt, but this game is definitely about the skill of the player which is great. Im definitely going for the Kaldstrom set as Im liking very much both factions and the scenery as well. I bought the scenery you have in Wildfire separately as my Cold front was the thinner card type. I beefed that scenery with inserted foamboard boxes so coupled with the newer scenery packs its looking great already and there is so much cool stuff out there now for infinity. Id personally appreciate a little tutorial around the Corvus Belli Army builder just to get my head into it. It looks amazing but me being a complete newbie I was a bit taken aback by how it all works. I probably have to just play with it a bit more. Some how to plays and expanding on Code one would be fantastic and much appreciated. A bit of history into each of the factions would be great . Thanks again for your great channel and thoroughly enjoying the work you do. Take care and look forward to more content

^^^^ THIS! I ended up with 12 points I wanted to cover and the 11th one was game mechanics. I LOVE the ARO element of this game and the fact it means you’re not a spectator for half of it. The 12th point was communication. The fact you’re playing with your opponent and not against them. Yes you’re trying to win but not through misleading the person opposite you or being stupidly sneaky with Grey area rules. I agree with you 100%. Orders and AROs are such a cool mechanic.

Infinity Gamer ^^^^ THIS TOO! Let me throw in one more thing ... the thirteenth point, if you’d please. Infinity is very cinematic. Whenever I play, everything that happens creates a movie in my mind. Whenever someone immobilizes HI, we talk about the hacker locking up servos. When they’re in isolated state, my friends and I spend a moment to describe the gnarly porn we just filled the target’s visor with. Firefights between snipers and HMG wielding HI, oniwabans stepping out of shadows with monofilament blades, the confusion created by losing your LT. This all plays into the visual feel of the game for me. For all it’s vaunted grim dark aesthetic, Warhammer does nothing in its rules set that is so atmospheric as Infinity. They’re pretty models, sure, but the rules themselves do nothing to heighten any sense of atmosphere about what’s going on. You just march and fight and roll d6s.

And you get SL of that before your desperate ARO achieves a crit and you drop a rampaging Sheskiin as she’s carving up your entire squad. We spend so much tome with our head in our hands not believing how the game just panned out. A great strategy and list can run into some very unexpected outcomes!

He is amazing!

That’s a brilliant suggestion! I’ll do that when the Code One army builder is up for O12. I agree with you on the proxy. As similar as possible definitely helps and when my 40k friend would use very different models to proxy I used to get really frustrated. I guess with Infinity if you don’t know what it should look like it’s harder to be confused. You should always do the best you can though for sure.

@@the_infinitygamer I've found since the beginning, in the US anyway, everyone is pretty lenient on proxy just because they did't have a model for a certain profile. But since they've opened it up more, it can make for more creativity. For instance, my Ikari, who I think of as pirates, every single figure is being painted differently. Even my Druze, they have same colors but in different places. But I also use an Aleph figure for a Bounty Hunter, A Nomad for a liberto, etc.

That’s an excellent way of making everything look different. A friend who plays Combined does the same and has a really vibrant scheme that’s lovely to see on the table. I think that there’s a lot more encouragement to bring personal touches to your army. There’s no faction colour schemes you’re encouraged to adhere by.

😂😂😂 this hobby is a lot less painful on the wallet. I know what you mean. Starmada plus the rules and the exclusive minis is all still cheaper than Indomitus and I won’t need anything on top of that to field a full army in my tournament.

Will that be your first tournament? I agree fully, plus they’ll drop new rules making something good for a bit so you buy it then hit it hard with the nerf bat 🤣 Great work on getting the box sets. I bet you’re glad to have a big project to dive into!

@@the_infinitygamer Carbonite will indeed be my first infinity tournament, and I'll probably only have maybe a dozen games under my belt before it comes around (unless the locals find a way to get me into their ladder matches/tournaments they run during the year) And ohhh yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to having a nice long term project, although I really could use a shelf to store them on that's near my painting desk instead of having them take up a decent amount of space on my gaming table!

Well done on taking the plunge into a tournament. I hope you have great success!

I really should sell all my 40k stuff too but I’m such a miniatures hoarder that I can’t! I haven’t seen anything for single player infinity actually. If you end up finding anything link it here so we can all check it out!

I'm also becoming more of a fan of metal minis. Maybe it's nostalgia from early 40K days?

You’re completely right. But it shows how mentally scarred people are from playing 40k that they think they need to get a powerful faction to enjoy the game. Terrain does have a major role to play. I’m looking to do some videos in the coming months on terrain and set-up to make it easier for new players to get that right.

@@the_infinitygamer it's even worse at the other end of the scale where you pick an army so bad it's basically unplayable or one that's about to get completely redone which would change all your choices. It has such a high start up cost (not to mention the time it takes) that people have to consider things like that which is a real shame. How have you got on with assembling infinity models? I find them so fiddly and frustrating sometimes. It was worse in the old days though where each little antenna was a separate bit. Also you mention translation problems, the 1st edition rulebook was famous for this, parts of it make no sense so they've come a long way.

I remember seeing a tournament win/loss average and the gap between top and bottom was disgusting. Then Carlos shows the Infinity version and it’s so marginal it’s almost non existent. I also love that you don’t have to spam ten units of the same model to have a competitive list. I was a little frustrated at some of the gaps on some models. My Gamma has quite a large one and the Gwailo’s foot wouldn’t touch the base. With plastic at least they can be manipulated to fit more easily. After adding some greenstuff though I now cannot tell at all. I find I have more patience when I’m only doing one or two models a time rather than a pack! Have you had issues with any models in particular?

@@the_infinitygamer yeah it's weird GW always maintain they're not out to make a competitive ruleset, makes you wonder if it would be that difficult to at least try. You're right it's very nice not to have to pay the troop tax. I started playing in 1st ed so the models i had trouble with are mostly out of production. I had a nomads meteor zond which I could not get to stay in one piece. The two side parts are connected with tiny ball joints and have to support a lot of weight as it's on a flying stand. I had an old szalamandra which was ok once it was together but the parts are so heavy I think I used araldite in the end. Plus it had an ammo feed which I ended up just cutting off because i couldn't get the ends to match up. All the troops had little antenna and they were all separate tiny pieces, the old hellcat hmg was bad because each of the little fins on the jump pack were separate. I was away for the whole of 3n and they seem much better now. You're right it's better when you're just doing one or two guys. I'm just salty because I just did the whole code one box in one sitting after not having assembled a metal model for about 6 years 😂.

😭 I know! I’m the same. Can’t wait to jump on and get some game time.

You guys should try the Infinty from Tabletop Simulator on Steam. VaulSC does a KZfaq tutorial video on the Infinity mods. I play more Infinity now than before lockdown!

If our level 3 restrictions are for a similar length to the level 4 ones then I might have to just to get my fix! How easy is it to pick up?

@@the_infinitygamer It takes a bit of getting used to and moving minis can be frustrating at times. But besides that it's straight up Infinity goodness, watch the VaulSC video, play a practice game and you'll be golden.

I guess my day is sorted - binging learner videos to see if I can tackle it 😂

Hahaha thanks for helping me beat the machines.

Make your hacking roll

Crit!

This video was made before the N4 wiki was launched 😃

@@the_infinitygamer Sod it! Sorry! Thank you for making the videos, as a brand new infinity player i've enjoyed it lots.

It’s all good! I always appreciate corrections so thanks for leaving the comment and checking 😁

Oh no! Have you checked out the Warcor website or asked on the Infinity Global Community Facebook page if anyone is nearby?

@@the_infinitygamer yes

Sorry to hear that! Have you given TTS a go?

@@the_infinitygamer yeah I’m looking to get into it and I’m really grateful for your video where you mentioned tts

You’re welcome!

😂😂😂 such a good point

I didn’t realise I was local to you 😝

@@the_infinitygamer That gave me a good laugh. But no, Robin Liam, in one of your panels about Warhammer on social media 🤣 Toxic member of the Australian community

That is a shame. Sadly infinity has a few bad apples too - I steer clear of the forum mostly because that seems to be a haven for negativity!

@@the_infinitygamer I'm lucky in that my local community has been very welcoming

You are lucky! Do you play current rules or an older version?

😂 I imagine the team at CB have developed a very thick skin by now.

@@the_infinitygamer I think they make the game they want to make.

Hahaha I think thousands of players around the world would disagree with you 😂

@@the_infinitygamer well I mean if those people like playing 4 hour games then they have the right to enjoy that

To be fair, most of my games are four hours but that’s because there’s beer and banter too.

Oh, they've done borked up Kill Team now, too. It had some issues before but the new one is not even worth trying.

@@HeadHunterSix I completely disagree I think the new one is great. Imo much more mechanically sound than KT18.

I think that was my problem. Their business is excellent and it helps they have stores in almost every major city sucking you in but it’s expensive for a less fun game. Infinity is definitely the better game and so much easier on the wallet!