I use Debian btw 14:13

That's why I love Debian on my laptop that I don't use often and don't want a lot of updates but prefer a rolling release like Tumbleweed on my main system.

Not for me. When I used Debian a few months back, there was an update that broke my laptop to the point that it won't even boot that I just had to move to another distro. The update only affected AMD iGPUs which I was a part of. They fixed it in two days which I'll admit is a quick reaction to that by Debian but it annoyed me enough that I refused to believe that Debian is a stable distro anymore. It's still rock solid but calling it a distro that "just works" is a bit of a stretch for me.

And why do others fail? Like all these other mentions, stability fast updating etc.

@@RoelandJansen "Stability" is a relative concept. Stable compared to what? The other distributions don't "fail" as much as they will require you to be more on top of your installation and solve problems by yourself sometimes. The issue is the more often your software updates, the more issues you might meet. Because of a bunch of reasons. 1 - If you push updates as soon as they are released (the Arch model) you will push more faulty updates. You will also push the subsequent update that solves the problem quickly, but you will often find that a given software stops working properly, and you'll have to wait a few days for the solution to arrive. But a faulty update can also break your system. It can definitely happen on Arch, although it is very rare and people have maintained a working Arch system for 6, 8 years on end. 2 - The more often you update all your software, the more likely you are, arithmetically, to have incompatibility issues between versions of your software or between your software and your hardware. 3 - The more often you update the kernel, the more you expose yourself to running into incompatibility issues as well. For comparison, you can update your Arch system 4 times a day, and you will find that there always are updates available. With fedora, it's once every day, sometimes 2 days. With Debian even if you update once a week sometimes you will find there is nothing to do. Debian and other distributions that put the emphasis on stability like CentOS before and Ubuntu LTS take a radical approach to stability: They do a point release about every 2-3 years, only shipping versions of software that have already been quite thoroughly tested in their testing version. Then they lock on those software versions for the entire time this release will be available, only pushing security updates and software updates that solve a newly discovered issue. This makes these distributions very stable, which is why they are preferred for servers, for example, but this also means that by the end of your releases' life cycle you will be using software that is about 3 years old, which really should be fine for most people, but also means you might run into problems with new hardware that is not yet compatible and there might be a new software you want to use now that might only appear in your repository until 2 years from now. Basically, for a desktop user, a stable release is your best option for example if you need - a basic use of your computer (office work, database work, navigating the internet, etc.) - a media server Specially if this is for your job, and you can't afford a given piece of software not working any more all of a sudden and having to dedicate time to troubleshoot the issue. On the other hand, you might need a bleeding edge distribution if - you are a developer who needs to work with the latest versions of software - you want to be able to use the newest released games, etc. Although, this paradigm is shifting now as software deployment platforms like flatpak are maturing, allowing you to install a new software on stable systems in a containerized manner. This is now your best option if you work professionally in photo, video or audio editing, for example.

Important point indeed. I was just about to write "Don't use nala, it can blow your install to hell". Your explanation is better. :)

absolutely right ... Nala is a hot iron in your hand when it comes to upgrades

Idk why these yt creators complain about apt. Apt output is perfectly legible. Parallel downloads are just a gimmick, what you're going to do by saving a few seconds? If your network is configured properly parallel downloads would just split your download speed in the end making no difference. Do not fix what is not broken. Stop being a complainer and take off your diapers and learn to use APT.

I installed nala on a test machine. It worked great... for a couple of months. Then it broke something. I don't remember what, it was a year ago. I needed apt to fix the problem, and have been using it exclusively ever since.

I used ubuntu22.04 and was using Nala for installation and upgrades. This hell you mention happened and I am now a debian user

same

​@@raza_the_nerdI plan on doing the same

I think both get rated highly, as they should, it's just Debian is boring and openSUSE has got a really small market share so people don't really think to mention it.

Please let us know

If you run Debian Unstable/Sid, you need to be a bit more of an advanced Debian user, because it will break some day. Not in a bad way that can't be fixed, but it will break.

I prefer using firefox flatpak, like back when i used kodi it was a pain as debian rebuilt it themselves and it had issues

@@alexstone691 Nothing wrong with that. Just felt the need to highlight this because it wasn't quite accurate in the video when he described what ESR Firefox is.

@@Kerea09 IM sorry my first comment was unfinished i edited it now, Its important people know that, if debian actually had a good website they would state these caveats on the front page

Instead you could fix it.

I think I did figure out what was wrong with OpenSUSE, so I may give it another try some day. It's not dead to me. But it was just so buggy after whatever I did to it, I had to have something stable. So I will likely give it another go some day.

So what was wrong?

That's an app called Nala. It's. Replacement for Apt

I know. I'm just impatient.

I always recommend Leap to anybody "normal" who wants to try out OpenSUSE. 🙏

THEIR looks so weird in capitals, i thought it was misspelt

i never used nix or distrobox, let me look at this here.

@@ArniesTech Isnt leap going away soon? I heard there wont be leap 15.6

15.6 is last. Tumbleweed stays

No

@@AcidiFy574 Yes

Same

It's always worked fine for me, and I used it for about five months during my LTR. But no software is bug free.

I'm sure it's still there. May even still be installed. I don't know. I don't ever use it. I always prefer the terminal. It's a bias that I have for sure.

Wondering how many Fedora refugees are going to Debian

Wayland has been Debian's default since Debian 10 back in 2019, it is not something new in Debian 12, but Pipewire is and is related to Wayland

I am running both Arch and Debian on my laptop, I'm a sucker for both.

@@edbeckerich3737 not a fan of arch. They are too elitist for my sensibilities

​@@edbeckerich3737Debian person here, but I've been switching to Manjaro a bit. Damn, don't you get pissed off by constant updates? Lol

Slackware.

@@folksurvival Maybe Debian is the OG community distro ? Because Slackware is pretty much one person.

I really thought about it, I really did, but I just need my computer to work for a while and I don't think I can do that with Gentoo given how noob I am

@@TheLinuxCast Yeah I get ya, it’s pretty understandable with you considering you actually need a working pc for an actual job and the channel.

@@TheLinuxCast and I don’t think it would be as hard as you think it would. You did fine on Redcore, which is Gentoo 🤟

I haven't got that for yet. But I will definitely do so before I do a long-term review of it.

I play on debian (testing) ; nvidia drivers ; and no problem at all... Note, I play only with Steam.

@@TheLinuxCast Looking forward to that video then!

@@LtSich awesome, thanks for replying. Will have to dig into debian

Debian's main quality is its stability and package testing. The "stable" branch is one of the most stable that you'll find. Ubuntu, is of course very close to that, but their package testing isn't as stringent as Debian's is (though some of it is, of course, given that Ubuntu uses some of Debian SID's repositories.) Yes, the Debian installation can be complicated, but they have isos available that have a standard Calamares installer (similar to Manjaro), that is just as simple as the one for Ubuntu, Mint and Pop!OS. The trouble is that you kind of have to dig for them. Let me know if you'd like me to get you a link. As for gaming, for me, Linux is good enough, but I'm not a AAA gamer. I think you'll be surprised at how many WIndows games play great inside Steam with Proton enabled.

@@TheLinuxCast Thanks for the quick answer. I've just watched a video on different channel, that suggested to try debian version live, with different installer, my download notification popped like seconds after i got notification from YT about your answer, so now i'm gonna check Deb12 some more. Thanks very much! :)

I'm so shocked about people complaining about Debian's installer being hard... This shows how many linux users out there are beginners. Not trying to be mean or eliticist, I just really can't understand what's hard about installing Debian. Yet I see people complaining about it in comments on different channels.

@@blueberrydreams7799 I'm hardly a beginner. But when i've used the iso with no live-boot, i've made a mistake at one point and I WASN'T ABLE TO GO BACK. Making installer harder than it should be is really an unnecessary complication, and, comparing to that from livecd (i've checked this one after the dialogue with our "Host" here), is just not intuitive enough. Now i'm using the one installed with liveiso. And if You think that's ok, though You see people complaining about this, that might mean that: either You're in a technological bubble, or You ARE an elitist (snob). Did You compare both of these installers? The one from official iso, and the one You can download, when You go deeper on Debian site? That approach "what's so hard about " is really counter-productive and makes (in this regard) Linux not progress the way it could. Just check how easy is Ubuntu to install - do people complain? So tell me, why do You think they complain about Debian, hm? And if it's so common, what's the conclusion? cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-12.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso

You have your question backwards. All the OSs you mention are based on Debian. The question you should be asking is what do the others offer that make it worthwhile for YOU to use them over Debian. For me the answer is nothing. YMMV.

VAAPI is disabled

Yes. You need to choose the expert install, and then there are a couple options you need to say no to.

@@TheLinuxCast Perfect! I'll try later!

I do not. But Android studio is available via flatpak so you shouldn't have any issues no matter the distro you choose

@@TheLinuxCast "shouldn't have any issues" I love the sentence.👍

Uptime and secure does not go well hand in hand. 700 days uptime is not an accomplishment, it is a security hole.

@@RoelandJansen I don't disagree, but on some of the most popular distros nowadays, those reboots aren't for security patches, they are for willy-nilly feature requests with very little testing.

@@RoelandJansen Well, unless you get kernel live patching I guess.

@@autohmae for the kernel itself yes. How do you think glibc will go? How would a systemd security patch go? we have zypper ps that shows deleted linbraries and so, yes you can do, with some work, many times get along without a restart. but lkp won't help you. You can update tzdata, java, vim, you name it, generally yes. Just restart the application. (tzdata probably doesn't require anything. just like updated manpages etc) So again: a long uptime tells you that either it's not an issue because isolated env, OR a sloppy security or admin. Example: RHEL6.x with maintenance support, ended nov 2020 or so. It still runs. Cool uptime.. Just some thoughts on it.

@@RoelandJansen personally if you want instead reduce down time instead of increase uptime, kexec is a tool I install

No Debian doesn't have snap by default.... and apt doesn't suggest it like you say.

No Canonical nonsense

@@TheLinuxCast Thanks. Im gonna migrate from ubuntu to debian in months. Which package manager do you think is better to use alongside APT? Is APT enough for a daily linux user or I have to use some others like Flatpak?

@@alizolfaghari3951 Flatpak is supplemental, so you can get what you can't get easily on Debian. So I used both

Yyy.. rolling is SiD

*you're

Stable is also a rolling release

​@@joshua_lee732No it's not, what are you talking about

@@joshua_lee732 yeah, just replace bookworm with stable in your sources.list. You will be in for a surprise 2 years later!

I was giving it a try. But there are no good vertical clocks so I've already switched back

But is it using Debian 12 yet?

@@folksurvivalyes, they always use Debian’s repo

Or for anybody who loves women

A lot of things aren't for Void Users

This video isn't about Void.

I love void but I swear its fans are becoming the new "arch btw" type of people

Void is great, the best distro I've ever used (been using it exclusively for over a year now), but Debian is also great.