Fun fact, the CWC was designed for Zack Sabre Jr. They wanted to sign him first, but eventually, they finally heard no. When they couldn't get ZSJ, they went after Ibushi... Same thing... So TJ Perkins got it... He was the bronze medal for WWE.

People starting to tell WWE “no” from 2015-18 was really important for wrestling as a whole

When are you going to cover the failed WhatCulture Pro Wrestling promotion?

I'm not sure why but the name 'Chilly McFreeze' really makes me laugh 😂

About Jericho's concern of being The Goon, his dad, Ted Irvine, was an NHL player in the 60's and 70's (hence why Chris was born in Manhasset, NY, as Ted was a member of the New York Rangers at the time), so that, as well as hockey being a popular stereotype of Canadians in the U.S., probably played into it. Edit: I originally referred to Ted Irvine as a "journeyman", but I checked Ted's NHL stats, and I feel like that's doing him a disservice. He spent 5 1/2 of his 11 NHL seasons with the Rangers, too much time with one team to be a true journeyman.

"Ice Dagger" was also on the cards for Austin.

Abigail vs Demon Balor still sounded like a solid match, AJ vs Demon Balor was incredible.

KO made getting routinely humiliated by Braun Strowman work. He would have made the League work, too. That's just what he does.

I’m glad Mankind worked out instead of Mason the Mutilator.

That must have been some serious heelwork from Roberts...

Kota as a rumble entry would be pretty sweet

You forget that FTR had been tweeting (for quite some time) that their 'dream' was to wrestle against The Young Bucks...while under WWE contract. That is never factored in to explain why Vince was torturing them.

“Styles would go on to say “No” to that sad 😢 contract extension..”

So Hulk Hogan burying AJ Styles at every opportunity wasn't the reason AJ Styles left TNA?

Kota made the right choice. Smart decision

So many wrestlers either get very lucky or they get their careers derailed by horrible names/gimmicks. These promotions have all these writers and creatives etc. it makes you wonder why so many ideas can be so brutal.

If AJ Styles stayed in TNA I doubt it would have been as bad as Garreth claims. A year later they merged with Global Force Wrestling which might have lasted longer if AJ Styles was there as it's champion instead Alberto El Patron. Plus he would most likely have a few more reigns as Impact and TNA World Champion, a few dream matches with The Good Brothers against Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks in 2021, apart of Wrestle House in 2020, and a backstage producer role once he decides to retire. Also I always thought Kevin Owens in the League of Nations made sense and if booked properly they could have been a dominant faction holding all the gold.

RVD was almost Glacier in WCW.

I have heard that they thought about doing the Mr Perfect gimic with Terrie Taylor instead of Henig . Im not sure if the red rooster thing was going Henigs way or not but things may have been different

i can't seem to find a video of it anywhere but didn't Chris Jericho wear a Hockey Jersey a few times early in his WWF career?

No mention of the UnderGooker?

Ibushi DID appear at NXT post-Cruiserweight Classic. He worked NXT's first show in Los Angeles.

Goofy wrestling for life

That one time Phantasio refused to get a win over Matt Damon, guy was truly a magician because he knew if that were to happen, fans wouldn’t have believed it and his career would’ve stalled. He knew no amount of magic can believably work on Matt Damon in that era.

The Goon would've been champion no doubt

Chris Jericho would've made "The Goon" gimmick work.

Irvine and Irwin as The Goon, interesting. So glad Sister Abigail match never went through.

🎵"Who would've thought? That I, FINN! THE PUMP-KIN KING! Would grow so tired of the same old thing?"🎵 🎃🎄🤣🤣

And what name did Vince give Terry Gordy (ex-Freebird) upon his WWF signing as a bodyguard for Mankind and Paul Bearer in '96? The damned *Executioner*... 🤣🤣🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

Out of everyone on your roster, why would you try and cut AJ Styles salary? Aside from the fact that he was a loyal TNA guy through and through, he was the greatest wrestler in the world at the time. AJ Styles still is in the top 5 greatest even now at 46 years old. They could have made SO much more money capitalizing on AJ Styles' skill set, and character. Oh, TNA.....if you made sense, nobody would care.

Some context for why Jericho believes he likely would have been given the goon gimmick is his father was a NHL hockey player of the New York Rangers and several other teams.

you always hear about how dangerous the fans were back in the day here, like that guy who pulled a gun on jake, but has any wrestler died by gun?

Wow tell me you hate WWE without telling me you hate WWE 😂😂😂

I still laugh to myself at the thought of Stone Cold Steve Austin sitting down with his wife for a cup of tea Obviously he is not his character but if you think of him doing it in character it’s hilarious

I cannot believe Chris Jericho almost became the the hockey theme gimmick wrestler known as the Goon, just because Chris Jericho is a son of a Hockey Player

Aj looks funny without that beard

As folly would recall on a hot one’s appearance? Someone didn’t read Mankind’s book apparently

Well technically the Young Bucks were in WWE for a small period of time and then they left.

Stunning Steve Austin was a better name than any of the ice-related ones.

Either this year Anarchy in the arena match or last year's Anarchy in the arena match against versus the BCC

I standby the goon being a good idea that Jericho or a matt riddle could have pulled off if done correctly

I wish Ibushi signed with WWE and stayed in NXT. Hopefully one day he joins the company since Trips and HBK has been fire. I hope Ibushi becomes a full time star with the WWE one day

You said punk almost fought sister Abigail but didn’t mention it at all

Part of the reason AJ Styles was offered a contract with a 60% paycut was because this was 2013 heading into 2014, back when things started to go south for TNA. Keep in mind that not too many people in TNA at that point were also going to receive a paycut like AJ. Styles may have been a company man, but he was a family man of value first and foremost. Having to accept a 60% paycut after all someone like AJ Styles did for that company is BS.

My favourite Elite match is the one that they had with Death Triangle well one of them at least

Fun Fact (& a dash of irony), about Austin’s “Stone Cold” moniker: STEVE is actually the one, who misunderstood Kuklinski’s “Iceman” nickname. Makes me wonder if Austin was even paying ATTENTION, to that HBO documentary. Because Kuklinski’s name wasn’t NOT given to him because he’s “cold-blooded”, “has life in his veins”, or anything like that. It was, in FACT “temperature-related”. He was titled that because a couple or few of his victims, one very famous one in particular, were found two YEARS after their disappearance, in the exact same clothes they were last seen wearing, but with very little decay & decomposition. He, in fact, FROZE the corpse(s) & dumped them at a later time & place. It was a genius plan, to throw the cops off his trail. They KNEW the body had been frozen almost immediately, after ceasing to live. But, all other evidence is gone. Anyway..:some of those names McMahon & his crew came up with might have actually been but closer to Kuklinksy’s actual moniker. Now, I’m not saying that would have been BETTER, especially in WRESTLING. I’m just saying…Austin took it as “cold-blooded killer”, when it reality…it really DID derive from actual “ice”.

What Culture buys bots now?

I’ve always found Revival/FTR incredibly bland. A clown gimmick may have been entertaining but sadly I don’t think they’re naturally funny/enthusiastic enough to have pulled it off anyway so it’s probably for the best. Let them pretend to be tough guys in AEW, they’re happy like that.

I think both Ibushi and Omega are so good they’d have shined in WWE anyway. The Bucks too, at least on NXT.

Kenny going to wwe over aew would have e made him a bigger star

Shoutout to Jake "The Snake" If I was sh*t at a wrestling event, I would be paranoid ever event going forward and hence couldn't give my absolute best during matches

Texas and gun, shocking

So many have admitted that Vince want's their ideas, their own input. If you're just so scared to freaking stand up for yourself, at all, don't expect much.

Imagine if The Elite guys HAD signed with WWE in 2023; they wouldn't have got Punk back THEN, and it HAS been good going THUS FAR, despite injuries...

Fang Mc Frost and Chilly Mcfreeze was terrible names.Funny but wouldn’t work in a major company.However Otto Von Ruthless should still be considered for future talents

Sheamus survived the LoN...

4:12 oh stop it

TNA screwed themselves when they let AJ go. Should have gave him a pay raise, but I guess they couldn't afford anyone anymore.

To me, I don't see FaRT, i mean ftr 😂 as tough. They have always been a joke to me.

FTR and Legends just doesnt compute 😂

Sorry the goon ???? 😂😂😂

04:45: "Degenerating-X" at that point.

So how did 'the elite?', FTR, Kota Ibushi dodge bullets by going on to never be heard from again??? Jericho would have been fine...Just look at fake diesel / Isaac Yankem / Kane or Blacktop Bully / Repo Man / Smash. Owens also would have been fine. After all he survived his Mr. U.S.A. gimmick.

Why would anyone take a 60% pay deduction?

The elite career is already dead

What about WCPW??

Grilly McCheese

Really WhatCulture? This is the guy you willingly employ to do voiceover work on your videos? I know KZfaqrs aren't exactly Hollywood actors but at least choose people who don't make us want to stick lit matches into our ears.

What happened to WCPW?

Kenny Omega failed in WWE developmental and the Young Bucks got destroyed by Miz and Morrison in WWE.

People really need to stop calling Vince McMahon a genius. So many of his ideas were ignorant and only meant to amuse himself, singularly. If it weren't for guys like Pat Patterson, Jim Ross, Jim Cornette, and a few others, Vince would have made the WWF/E dumb af. Look at what happened when Ross left and Patterson died and Vince was left on his own.

Lets talk about Heatwave!!!

Pumpkin balor😂

Baron Corbin almost became Angry Corbin after Happy Corbin but turned it down

Not a Wrestler But I Did Dodge a Bullet By not watching all of Lucha Underground continuing my Lengthy MMA run In Bellator MMA 2013-2020 to be exact

Except that the “elite” are all AEW: An Emotional Wrecks, and Jericho is a Goon in AEW

AEW never was as ''revolutionary'' as you try to make it look.

All those old stupid gimmick ls have bruce prichard written all over them

Losing matches in scripted pro wrestling only equals 'burial' to ridiculous marks like the revival and British KZfaqrs

I turn off every video with this guy as I can't stand the way he says "uh" at the end of every sentence. I'm sure he's a nice guy, but his delivery means I can't watch these videos.

hhh ruins EVERYBODY

Well for is lame and honestly turning them into a meme would be best.

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Cm Punk almost joined the Shield

A year before Austin became stone cold there was a movie named stone cold.

What they did to ftr is the reason why noone should watch wwe

first

the not so elite cant wrestle

Gkad the young buks didnt go to the wwe. They suck and dont put on a good match. I dont understand how they have fans.

FTR and The Elite dodged a bullet, but then decided to roll around in a minefield, no aura at all (speaking with hindsight)

Mick foley is one of the smartest guys in the business he was very smart to say no to Vince

Alternative Title: Times WWE wanted to intentionally destroy careers or kill their momentum😂😂

It's baffling how Vince didn't bankrupt the WWE. How can someone be so out of touch with reality

When did Omega and Bucks become stars? They changed business forever? The business losing money and selling 2k tix a clip, how that changing the business?

FTR should not have resigned

What an anti wwe video, don’t forget the amount of wrestlers who’s careers wouldn’t have been killed by being buried by the elite and bushy wouldn’t be practically paralyzed if he worked in a safe environment.

Foreshadowing:; y2j ., many might say he is the goon currently in AEW