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@@mytiamos Thank you, got it all removed

I know I am a year late however, doesn't kde have worse performance than gnome? I've heard this from my friend but I am not really sure.

I like that things work as they should in a straight forward way out of the box. I don't know how many times I have switched to gnome and basic things were way too complicated or just didn't work.. split view in dolphin is one thing I feel like I have to have now,, lol

That is true.

That’s both an advantage and a deficiency, I.e. the Open Source community will sometimes force changes on people. A company I know used used a popular Open Source Unix variant. It supported 32-bit operating systems. The world changed to make 64-bit systems predominant, and the claim was the 32-bit OS would work seamlessly. It did not work on 64-bit systems. The init process had a bug that would make the system randomly crash after being up a while. A bug was filed. It was ignored. People were told to upgrade to the 64-bit system. This meant a major port of the product. It also would force users with new computers to upgrade their operating system, and thus Lise all their current installations. And, so companies, and commercial users, often avoid Open Source, because it’s risky. A commercial company will agree to support them, at least some companies do that. The bug I mentioned wasn’t fixed for years. I expect it never got fixed. I do support Open Source, and even have released some Open Source code. It will just never replace some commercial code anytime soon because there’s no guarantee of support.

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@@technowey That’s nothing inherent with open source though, but more with (lack of) commercial backing for those particular projects. Community projects will not replace commercial ones for enterprise solutions, I agree with that one. But there’s no reason why open source wouldn’t work for commercial software. (Except for the fact it’s very difficult to sell open source software, unless you’re in the business of selling official support to businesses)

Awesome! Thanks for sharing. FOSS communities thrive thanks to contributing people like you 💪

Depending on the platform, debian and kali y never had any problems

@@adriancoanda9227 it depends on what kind of problems we're speaking about. Most of what I was reporting about is not that KDE as a desktop environment wasn't functioning at all :) none of that kind. It was more about glitches, smaller bugs, UI/UX issues in different K software

@alx8439 ah trully y saw some forums regarding those issues, but somehow, together with my hardware software setups, y never experienced any sort of bugs, and y always run bleeding edge maybe some folks messed with config files and inserted unsupported commands but yeah you are right it is wery actively maintained

Me as well! I reported some smaller bugs that were affecting me and I was really positively suprised that they well pretty much gone the next version in. Most of them related to stuff like fractional scaling and PLASMA_USE_QT_SCALING which i always prefer to use and would love to be turned on by default (which seems to be the goal)

Same ID be using it if I didn't get into i3 gaps.. Putting icons on the Taskbar is a bit weird like I don't remember what they're called but like you have to mess around do you want the one that doubles when you open it or the one that doesn't and you don't know until you try. And then if I start using i3 on the same install and change things with lxappearence or whatever it'll mess up a lot of stuff in kde. I still use a lot of the applications tho despite the amount of dependencies

I really wish KDE would add a tiling manager almost exactly like popOS's I like the whole task manager simple control menu..

@@B5152g ik there's a way to do that I've seen it on reddit but I don't ever change, the look of kde very drastically.

@@morganb900 me either, I put clock center bottom in "long format" an italic font for clock and that's about all I do, I am happy with it as-is.. but I would probably use tiling if it was included out of the box and had a easy to use quick menu in system tray about like popOS..

@@B5152g Plasma 5.27 got new tiling features with predefined and customizable layouts. It's not feature complete yet (no keyboard shortcuts yet, for example) but it's on its way.

After I installed Layan theme I don't change themes anymore. It's the most beautiful theme I've used in any DE.

@@demarkz Same here

I like KDE, I'm using it and it's great, but one thing they should do is redesign the settings menu

Gnome is clear

@Watcher Why would that be your default answer? Better that he pays a professional to do it like every other product in the world. This is the way forward if you want quality work, not amateur crap.

I find it just cluttered

​@Watcher Why is nobody attempting it? That seems like the real problem. In general Windows or macOS (modern) design is much better looking and usable than kde. I'm sure the market thinks so too.

you are exactly right, for people in certain situations it is overwhelming, as many people, myself included, do not have the time or the need to make pretty customizations, etc. But for customizing KDE is king!

Same, I'm quite new to the Linux world as I only recently switched after taking a Linux programming course in college. Fedora (or more specifically Nobara) with KDR Plasma has made the switch to Linux really nice as the very customizable environment has been so much better than Windows.

​@@coolbrotherf127 Nobara is more bloat then anything you can get plain fedora to look and act like it in less then a hour...

I think you should try openSUSE KDE, since it's their flagship distro and it's considered the best KDE distro in all aspects.

Unix-Viking, my journey was: GNOME 2 → Unity → GNOME 3 → Unity → KDE SC 4 → KDE SC 4 & GNOME 3 → KDE SC 4 → KDE Plasma 5. I've also used Enlightenment a bit. I've been exclusively using KDE for 10 years now, and I'm very happy with both, built-in functionality and my own, pretty extensive customization. I also follow news about other DEs and WMs as well, but I can't imagine myself using anything else ATM.

​@@GioGziro95 Mine was WindowMaker for like 10 years -> some openbox for a year or so -> then I didn't use desktop linux for 6 or so years -> I've been on dwm for the last 3 years. But I've always checked on KDE from time to time, and used XFCE in some cases where I needed something that would work quickly. KDE is great though. I'm not really recommending dwm, there are a lot of good minimalist options if that's what someone wants. If I had to settle on one full desktop environment it would be KDE. When I need a file manager I use dolphin actually, definitely one of the best ones, and as far as I know the only one that supports ACLs.

Welcome home friend, we're glad you finally came to your senses lol

@@demarkz I have tried openSuse + KDE each year for a week or so for the last 10+ years. I must strongly disagree that it's the "best" KDE distro. For me it doesn't even feature, I find it clunky old and mix of new and antique looking apps (like Yast). It feels like I'm using QT+GTK apps due to the lack of consistency. Neon, Nobara, Arco, Manjaro, Kubuntu all given better KDE experiences imo. To be fair I haven't tried OpenSuse KDE in 2022 - YET. Last was Sep 2021. I'd be excited to learn a few nevermind "all aspects" where OpenSuse KDE is better.

OpenSuse is highly underrated.

Fedora has a KDE spin with the latest KDE version.

“feel like”?

Same here, when I'm on KDE I always end up browsing for more theme, I'm always moving my plasma desktop layout around, cloning some macOS & Windows look, etc... I find myself more productive on Gnome. But to each their own I guess

Yepp. Overwhelming cutomization options to a point where it becomes distracting

@@ArniesTech Yes, extremes are never good. KDE and Gnome are good examples of that.

But with Kde, once you set everything, you won't need a command line at all and on mobile if you intend to use linux on arm64 kde with wayland ist awesome

Yup the only DE I found that works beautifully but only with X11.

Especially as it's less than five minutes' work to make Plasma do what you were missing in GNOME while reconstructing the same layout.

Mate, Cinnamon, LXDE, XFCE and Budgie are all GTK and good options.

Fight?

gtk was fine on kde until gtk4 began taking over apps, its visually inconsistent with gnome itself

Having used Linux exclusively for gaming for the last couple years...I haven't looked back. In fact I had a lan for my staff just this last weekend. Linux+KDE was used due to the various hw setups. We just cloned the image to multiple SSDs. We had no stability or performance issues, just had good clean fun. Good luck doing that with Windows. The other reason we chose Linux was that we had limited internet speeds so chose linux as it's more bandwidth friendly than windows' apps all phoning home - not just MS but virtually everything you install (updates/telemetry and who knows), now multiply that by all the staff and gaming would have sucked.

you don't even need windows anymore for gaming unless you want to play something like destiny 2 or six siege or something.

The only way Plasma can consume as much resources as XFCE is when you remove Akonadi with its MariaDB server and as the result entire KDE-PIM, plus disable baloo file indexer. However if you want entire KDE experience with KDE email, calendar, contacts etc, it will bring the entire SQL database... I know sqlite3 is an option for Akonadi, but according to the KDE developers sqlite3 isn't stable and not recommended.

Love KDE. I’ve tried gnome many times. Always went back to KDE because I find gnome frustrating to use because of the limited customisations.

I'm trying to think of the last time I had to deal with 2. and 3. Gosh, not since I worked as a generic sys admin about 20 years ago.

While KDE may does an exceptional job there, the fact is, that most FOSS projects 100% respect their users. Which is one of the main reasons I love Linux in general. You just prefer the way Gnome or any other DE looks and feels? No worries; your data will be safe. Use Windows instead and the only way for you to have controll over what leaves your Network is basically to yank out the Ethernet Cable.

Ant the international with your android device like the windows phone feature where you can operate your phone on the pc even lauch the phone apps on the pc ( works only with wayland)

CD? lol! It's ok to say rip off the net

Wayland and KDE has been a long, hard slog ! There are still minor problems with Wayland vs X11 but you have got to hand it to them for persevering with the shift to Wayland.

Shore is even if it's older that gnome is the first harware accelerated de first gnome was not so

@@phrtao I tend to have more than minor issues with Wayland + KDE. It's not near ready for day to day use with my setup from Window Z Orders bugs to persistent window overlays needing a full reboot to remove. Not to mention the HiDPI scaling issues that just worked with X11 and looked crisp - I do understand they working on this but my point is Wayland ok for Beta use.

you will be even more impressed when u have to use KDE apps like dolphin and gwenview for complex things.

xfce better than al.

mate is better

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Once you set it up and check how powerful and how much resources it save by being modular, we'll it will use resources only if those tools are also used if not and dolphin file manager has the most services a file manager ca dream you can convert media files within the file manager vs code plugin, cloud storage like gdrive, next cloud even ondrive, and it is also compatible with windows systems, realy git integration

There's some maintaining going on, and if I understood this correctly the latest changes and bugfixes should be packeted at a certain point :-)

@@niccoloveslinux Thanks. Will update my comment to reflect on that.

I used latte dock for almost a year and a half but recently it hasn’t been updated and is abandoned and buggy so I switched to GNOME with Fedora 37 and so far I’m loving it

@@youtube.user.1234 You can very easily make a panel acting like a dock. I don't use Latte dock, but I have a panel/dock

@@JanSteen7870 it’s not just that. I was also using some features that were there in latte dock and not in the panel, but I don’t remember what it was

Depends what kind of experience you're looking for. Since it sounds like you're an intermediate user, if you're comfortable doing package management for your OS from the terminal I'd highly recommend EndeavourOS. It's Arch-based and sticks very close to what Arch does while being just as easy to install as any other distro. You can choose from basically any desktop environment, so that way you can figure out which one you like best. A lot of people make the mistake of thinking the distro is what you should be choosing for, but it's really a combination of things including the distro, and EndeavourOS gives you a lot of freedom in this respect. One important note is that EndeavourOS is rolling-release, meaning there are no fixed version numbers and when you update you will get the most recent stable versions not just of your apps, but of any of the packages that make up your OS. This is why it is often referred to as a "bleeding-edge distro", which generally requires occasional manual intervention to keep stable. Another recommendation is Fedora, which is more concerned with stability and is geared towards developers. Manual intervention is basically never necessary, since the OS itself is not rolling-release like EndeavourOS, but they treat most of the developer tools and apps very similarly to a rolling-release distro so you'll still be up to date on everything. Fedora refers to itself as a "leading-edge distro", since they are generally just behind bleeding-edge distros in terms of recency. If you want to use GNOME they're extremely stable, they also have KDE and XFCE options but I've heard they're less stable though they do have their own dedicated communities. Fedora is specifically tailored towards developers, and has many tools to make the developer's life easier, while EndeavourOS is more of a power-user distro (though Fedora is still reasonably accommodating of power users). From what I've seen online, EndeavourOS should also be better for gaming, however in my personal experience both distros are a pretty similar experience for gaming. Apart from the release cycle, since both of them generally have the same desktop environments available, main thing to consider is the difference in package management. EndeavourOS's package manager (pacman) is the fastest out there and will get packages that are slightly more recent than Fedora, but Fedora's package manager (dnf), while being quite a bit slower, has more features, many of which are geared towards developers, such as being able to search for packages based on what libraries they contain. Fedora also does not need to run as many updates as EndeavourOS, since it does not need to update OS packages as often. Both will require terminal usage for installing dev stuff, however for regular app installation, Fedora has very good support for GUI app stores like GNOME Software and KDE Discover, while EndeavourOS's support of them is unstable and could potentially break your OS so you should probably stick to the terminal for everything for them. This means that with Fedora, you will by default get update notifications, and you can set it up to automatically update stuff for you in the background, and your software center can even update dev tools that you've already installed alongside everything else, all of this is customizable. With EndeavourOS, automatic updating is not supported and you will have to do all updates manually. So with Fedora, you can get automatic updates, notifications, or you can just do it manually or through the terminal, with EndeavourOS you are stuck with doing it manually through the terminal for everything, but it's much faster. TL;DR for package management: Fedora runs updates slower but is much more customizable with how they are done, has a ton of advanced functionality for package management, and is easy to automate. With EndeavourOS it is much faster at updating, but it's less customizable, and everything must be done manually through the terminal, and updates are available more frequently which may be a plus or minus depending on your workflow. These are my two main recommendations, since in my experience both of these distros tend to be pretty good developer distros. I would recommend trying them out in a VM before installing, maybe try out some desktop environments as well to get a feel for it.

Same! I use Fedora KDE too!

Gnome is useless without its extensions, and extensions breaks with every new Gnome release. It's alright for someone who like to tinker with the system or wait till extensions will get fixed, but not good for someone who want reliable system to make the work done.

@@snowmean1 I only use a couple of extensions on GNOME, Alphabetical App Grid and Bluetooth Quick Connect, and I'm fine with it

@@snowmean1 Though I never had any broken extensions on my system I do agree. KDE is more reliable.

@@MarcoMissere and that's totally fine, though when Gnome 43 was landed on SuSE Tumbleweed few days after the release there was pretty much no working extensions for the next few weeks, which made the entire Gnome desktop a potato. Even Arch postpone recent Gnome adoption due to exactly that reason. In addition to that not all extensions kept maintained by their authors and getting updated accordingly.

i think its kde neon

I understand this. Move off NVIDIA and you'll notice the difference.

They stopped maintain a mint KDE version because they didn't have enough people that wanted to maintain a KDE flavor. I guess you could say it is up to them...or KDE fans that have the skills required to maintain it for Mint.

Hi! For 2 days I have been testing in VirtualBox Linux Mint (I am a beginner). I used Ubuntu 6 years ago for 2 months. I'm thinking of giving Kubuntu KDE a chance as well, possibly Neon KDE as well. Should I stop thinking about all the distros belonging to Ubuntu (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, etc.) and use KDE Neon? I really like KDE, it looks good and is very customizable. Thank you!

@@AndyTurcu I think Kubuntu is a good one to start with or Linux Mint with the Kubuntu desktop which is what I use. Debian with KDE desktop is also another option but not as user friendly as the Ubuntu based distros. Because with those you get everything including drivers out of the box but not always with Debian.

@@AndreaBorman Thank you for info!

Yeah I agree. I use dwm, but xfce is my go-to DE when I don't have anything else setup. Though if all DEs and WMs except one were going to be deleted, and I had to choose the one environment that everyone would use I would pick KDE. It's pretty quick, and customisable enough to mostly satisfy both the eye candy people and the minimalists like myself.

KDE is more light weight than XFCE

​@@clintquasar well that's just not true at all, they idle at roughly the same usage but XFCE uses less than 2/3 the memory and considerably lower cpu utilization under actual use, all those windowing features of KDE come at a cost that adds up as you have more windows open/tasks running. There's also considerably less video card utilization, which makes a world of difference on older or embedded systems.

@@clintquasar I know they claimed that. Maybe it's even true for some narrow definition. However it's certainly not generally the case.

@@entelin Probably measuring on clean startup, w/ full compositor, XFCE allocates more resources up front and handles more worker threads, plasma doesn't until you start opening windows/running tasks. Technically true but means nothing on actual use, it's extremely easy to see the difference on stuff like the r-pi, you literally get stutters on windows opening.

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@@niccoloveslinux ah I see! That's cool

I would advise you install both, and try them out. You can have XFCE and KDE and just switch desktops when you login to whatever one you want. That way you don't have to choose just one. Hope you enjoy!

Interesting... I run 3 Monitors (2560 x 1600) on 2 AMD Video cards. No problems since Kubuntu 14.04

Hi, KDE developer here. We are aware of that, with some setups and hardware multiscreen is ok-ish, with others has big visible problems. We are putting a lot of work to change a bit how multi screen is managed hopefully fixing many broken cases. Most of that work should come to fruition in the 5.27 release.

@@MarcoMartin cool. Ya I would immediately switch if I could. I prefer KDE pretty much on every other measure. I even find the config to be more portable to new installations.

@@FoxtrotYankeeHotel thank you Steven for your comment, i found out kde neon is what suits me, being a Ubuntu based distro it's stable and comes with latest and greatest kde plasma desktop. i have found it extremely good on battery getting 6hr of battery earlier it was 3.5-4 hr on pop os 22.04 LTS. and all IDEs and tools works right out of the box.

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