10 Worst Doctor Who Episodes Written by Steven Moffat

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6 жыл бұрын

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@Frazamatron
@Frazamatron 6 жыл бұрын
"I never would" - Doctor after stopping himself from shooting the man that KILLED HIS DAUGHTER *Pew pew* - Doctor shooting man telling him saving the girl he likes is a bad idea
@ElynevanOpzeeland
@ElynevanOpzeeland 6 жыл бұрын
this is why i have a problem with this episode just like the fact that moffet shovels the fact that clara is the best companion ever in our troaths... i really like most episodes from him, but that one just contradicts so much.....
@thejamsterx
@thejamsterx 6 жыл бұрын
That's because he isn't the doctor right there. he's the hybrid. "I went too far, I became the hybrid." And besides that line is bollocks anyway, the doctor has killed before. It just further proves why 10 is the worst doctor.
@Frazamatron
@Frazamatron 6 жыл бұрын
You missed the point of it being between "his daughter" and a "girl he likes". I liked Clara (believe it or not) but it just doesn't feel earned especially considering the various reactions to other companions dying/being forcefully removed.
@thejamsterx
@thejamsterx 6 жыл бұрын
Frazamatron Jenny isn't really the doctor's daughter. She is a person created using the doctor's dna. When other people create a new person they don't have a connection to them, they are just soldiers. Lets look at other companions, rose has a happy life in the parallel world, Martha is with Mickey, Donna has lost her memories, but is still fine, Amy and Rory lived a happy life together before dying. Clara is the only companion in recent memory to flat out die (before the doctor intervenes). The doctor knew Jenny for what, less than a day? The doctor and clara travelled for at least 3 years from a real word perspective, but who knows how long they spent in the TARDIS. Not to mention clara' s role in the name of the doctor.
@ElynevanOpzeeland
@ElynevanOpzeeland 6 жыл бұрын
+thejamsterx that from i hybrid is not confirmed i thought... there are a lot of other compinations that cpuld be the hybrid, or i remember it wrong.... Me en the doctor etc
@calebgibbs3425
@calebgibbs3425 6 жыл бұрын
Hell Bent is the story about the Doctor going too far and the perfect example of Moffat going too far as a showrunner/writer.
@1greatfinkerofrtimes381
@1greatfinkerofrtimes381 6 жыл бұрын
what i've often wondered about fans who r passionate about how bad certain episodes are is , do they dislike them enough that if they were no longer available would they mind if they were no longer available ? I first thought this when the dr. who appreciation society was ripping on Trial of a Timelord (which I love by the way) , because remember this has happened b4 with certain 1st and 2nd Doctor Who stories THAT GOT WIPED which people complain about understandably . The answer to my own question I think is I would mind , after all Doctor who is DOCTOR WHO . But others might fink different .
@markpostgate2551
@markpostgate2551 5 жыл бұрын
I think an awful lot of us wanted to pretend that the Telemovie wasn't canon, until Human Nature firmly established it was, but that's because it's disconnectedness made it feel optional. No one ever tried to claim that, say, Timelash was non-canonical, however awful it may be.
@crotasonoforyx5330
@crotasonoforyx5330 4 жыл бұрын
It's definitely in my top 10 favourite episodes
@devisankhla4788
@devisankhla4788 4 жыл бұрын
@@1greatfinkerofrtimes381 I'd be happy if the timeless child thing vanished.
@millerdeclan6074
@millerdeclan6074 2 жыл бұрын
i dont mean to be so offtopic but does anybody know of a method to log back into an instagram account..? I was dumb forgot my account password. I appreciate any assistance you can offer me
@Sunnucksboi
@Sunnucksboi 6 жыл бұрын
I need a cigarette after that Hell Bent rant... I don’t even smoke...
@BeachBlondie5263
@BeachBlondie5263 6 жыл бұрын
Andy Sunnucks best review of the best review 😉
@WiloPolis03
@WiloPolis03 5 жыл бұрын
@@auskipper Best reply of the best reply of the best review of the best review lol
@WiloPolis03
@WiloPolis03 5 жыл бұрын
@@auskipper Haha thanks, I keep going back for the Hell Bent rant
@chanceneck8072
@chanceneck8072 4 жыл бұрын
I just still *LOVE* Hell Bent! Kill me! Plus, you can hear in the rant, that it's of temporary nature! Give it time! Rethink the episode! A beautiful channel, I just recently discovered, just summed up Hell Bent perfectly to me here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hL2GiahivpzVmGw.html
@DavidSmith-cx8dg
@DavidSmith-cx8dg 2 жыл бұрын
It's one of my favourites , and gives an opportunity for Clara and Me to return at some point . I may disagree , especially about Heaven Sent but the passion of THe feelings about it makes a great watch .
@Flutterbutt225
@Flutterbutt225 6 жыл бұрын
I've gotta disagree right off the bat with "Deep Breath" - partly because I love the episode, and partly because you seem to have missed the point entirely of the dinosaur being burned alive. "It's cruel and unnecessary" - that was the _entire point_ of the baddies in the episode. They burned an entire dinosaur for a nerve they needed because they have absolutely _zero_ regard for the sanctity of life. It's the entire thing that drives the Doctor to stop the baddie here.
@Flutterbutt225
@Flutterbutt225 6 жыл бұрын
ALTHOUGH, with your #1, you've raised a lot of points I didn't even realize I agreed with. I agree that Clara's death in "Face the Raven" was completely undermined by "Hell Bent". Holy shit, though, I hadn't realized how bad an episode "Hell Bent" was because I _wanted_ to like it so much because of Capaldi's Doctor. I adore your passion about this episode, WOW. /*claps*
@julieeverett7442
@julieeverett7442 4 жыл бұрын
this was also Capaldis post regeneration confusion episode, and it ALWAYS takes time to adjust, he took half a season!
@QuokkaCore
@QuokkaCore 4 жыл бұрын
I thought the Clockwork Droids were unnecessary tbh.
@samuelbarber4154
@samuelbarber4154 4 жыл бұрын
So we needed a Dinosaur to display this? Not just general people dying, no, we need waist half our CGI budget on a dinosaur just because we have to show how bad the antagonists are.
@CyberController-
@CyberController- 6 жыл бұрын
16:29 for those who came for a Hell Bent rant.
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 6 жыл бұрын
Good grief, did word get out about that to the point that folks are here just for that part?
@CyberController-
@CyberController- 6 жыл бұрын
No. But (and no offense intended to anyone) It's pretty easy to guess. And this is just went to be a joke. The video's great, all things considered.
@CyberController-
@CyberController- 6 жыл бұрын
20:35 I burst out laughing. Someone, please meme this.
@michaelv4871
@michaelv4871 4 жыл бұрын
Council of Geeks Yes. The rest of the list is great but I sometimes come back just for the Hell Bent rant!
@henryg4377
@henryg4377 3 жыл бұрын
He mentioned it on his review of "Arc of Infinity" and that's what brought me here.
@beshemal
@beshemal 6 жыл бұрын
moffat can write, but he need someone to be like "HEY! you can't really that... because of ____________________ "
@farenheit2456
@farenheit2456 3 жыл бұрын
He did have someone like that. His name was Russell T Davies.
@MovieMagic515
@MovieMagic515 3 жыл бұрын
@@farenheit2456 lol.
@J_Morgan_Blockwell
@J_Morgan_Blockwell 6 жыл бұрын
Your Hell Bent rant was Nostalgia Critic-esque, your videos keep getting better and better!
@OpalBecsDreamer
@OpalBecsDreamer 6 жыл бұрын
I adore Clara, she is one of my favourite companions, but I COMPLETELY agree with your views on Hell Bent. After Face the Raven I was so pleased with her ending and it was such a fitting death imo. With Hell Bent, I was confused then annoyed that her fans (like myself) had been robbed of that beautiful ending - along with the whole message that Clara became too much like the Doctor and that's what killed her, but instead she gets rewarded with her own TARDIS and a life as long as she wants. Honestly, WTH was Moffat trying to do with her?
@AhsimNreiziev
@AhsimNreiziev 6 жыл бұрын
I fully concur with every word in this comment.
@MetalPharoah
@MetalPharoah 6 жыл бұрын
I was a Clara fan. I thought that her entire history behind the character and buildup was perfect, but as I told many people the only way the character can receive justice once Jenna wants to leave, is to kill her. She has to die otherwise I would not accept her departure. She meant too much, done too much for The Doctor to not be given the exit she deserved. Truly sad that she was revived.
@mammutbrot9230
@mammutbrot9230 5 жыл бұрын
I didnt like the raven it wasnt a fitting end to Clara in my opinion.
@TheDixieBassMan
@TheDixieBassMan 5 жыл бұрын
I despised Clara it was like rose only worse in someways. Instead of this being a one off plot that ruins one Doctors run that you can flush down the memory hole...it retcons and spits on everything in the history of Doctor Who.I was happy to see her go but then they undermine it by giving them bullshit fairy tale endings. They pushed the new companions like Vince pushed cena he was and is mid card at best and they use him to tie the record of Ric Flair on top of not recognizing Ric’s runs with The WCW international Title because it is “a second worlds title” even though they have had two worlds titles since early days the brand spilt.Companions were never supposed to mean that much to the show even the Doctors Granddaughter wasn’t treated like the main character to this degree. The Doctor and his adventures should be the main course companions are just the condiments sure some combinations work better then others but at the end of the day no one wants a salad with so much dressing it looks likes like a bowl of cereal.
@k1tkat-kate
@k1tkat-kate 4 жыл бұрын
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@_eena_
@_eena_ 6 жыл бұрын
I rarely comment on anything, but damn, that Hell Bent rant was beautiful. Thanks for that, friend.
@EmeralBookwise
@EmeralBookwise 6 жыл бұрын
Honestly, that final rant about Hellbent pretty much sums up my biggest grip with most of the companions in NewWho, because it sorta of applies to almost all of them. It's this recurrent motif of the companion always being this special snowflake and the most important person the doctor has ever met to the point that he's completely torn apart, left devastated, broken, and an empty shell of himself when they depart. And baring Martha, the NewWho companion never really just get exit the series gracefully anymore, never get to just decide they are done with adventures in time and space, never get choose to settle down and return to a normal life. No it always has to be this huge drawn out and heart wrenching ordeal wherein through what ever plot contravenes the writers have come up with this time the Doctor will NEVER be able to see them again... and I'm just getting so sick of it. Sure, it's always a bit "sad" for us as an audience when our favorite actors leave the show, but that doesn't mean that every goddam exit of every companion, and every Doctor for that matter, has to be treated in narative like a goddamn end of the world TRAGEDY. It's called LIFE, people, suck it up and move on.
@alaaranaranoya1499
@alaaranaranoya1499 5 жыл бұрын
When you hit #1 and there's still 7 Minutes left. "Oh. Oh shit."
@VanniSenpai
@VanniSenpai 6 жыл бұрын
I had that exact same reaction to Hell Bent.... One of the episodes I hate THE most. By the way, beautiful rant. 👌
@Stargazer_Ley
@Stargazer_Ley 5 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, it took a great end to a character and threw it back into our faces. The writer made me cry for Clara and they just screwed it over. It undermines the character of the Doctor too, as it gives us many out of character moments. It undermines the losses of all of his former companions. How he lost Rose, Donna, Amy and Rory, and undoubtedly countless other companions from old Who. The episode just pissed me off.
@mammutbrot9230
@mammutbrot9230 5 жыл бұрын
I liked it.
@Noobie2k7
@Noobie2k7 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, i was enjoying Hell Bent until the whole saving Clara thing. The Episode should have just been focusing on redeeming the Timelords and deposing Rassilon and then wrapping up his story with Ashildr.
@michaelinlofi
@michaelinlofi 6 жыл бұрын
I may end up making a video devoted entirely to "Hell Bent" and how much I loathe it... I hate it with a passion.
@jefferyjones8399
@jefferyjones8399 6 жыл бұрын
"The Bells of Saint John" is like a better version of "The Idiot's Lantern"
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 6 жыл бұрын
Given how much I dislike Idiot’s Lantern, that isn’t saying much.
@alexinabox6931
@alexinabox6931 6 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this episode! Aaaaaahhhhh!!!!
@TheSmart-CasualGamer
@TheSmart-CasualGamer 6 жыл бұрын
The Idiot's Lantern is like a better version of Bells of Saint John.
@crashfan9997
@crashfan9997 6 жыл бұрын
LOOL The Idiot's Lantern is far better.
@TheSmart-CasualGamer
@TheSmart-CasualGamer 6 жыл бұрын
Agreed. My ranking is Tennant, then Capaldi, then Eccleston, then Smith.
@horaciosi
@horaciosi 5 жыл бұрын
This comment section in a nutshell: 50% about the Hell Bent rant. 50% anything else.
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 5 жыл бұрын
I mean, that's also representative of my level of anger, half of it got poured into Hell Bent and the rest was spread across the remainders.
@MovieMagic515
@MovieMagic515 3 жыл бұрын
@@CouncilofGeeks Hell Bent is an incredibly bad, tonally messy and overstuffed episode.
@chaxinitus
@chaxinitus 6 жыл бұрын
I think one of my biggest issues with Moffat's time as showrunner is he kept trying to recapture his strongest moments by reusing pieces from those episodes instead of utilizing the originality that made them special to begin with. Blink was an INCREDIBLE episode, and part of why it's so amazing is that as an audience we never really get a full grasp on the angels, they are an unknown and terrifying as a result. And then they're just a rehashed monster of the week "but there's a lot of them so it's okay". I mean the moment with Amy and Rory is amazing, but overall it just doesn't feel like they were used well. Similarly, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, FANTASTIC episodes, the Vashta Nerata is incredible, River Song is amazing in her initial incarnation, the face-statue things are really awesome, the Donna Statue moment is amazing. And then River is just another off-and-on companion with some forced moments who never really gets back to the level of "This is what she means to the doctor" that Moffat originally sets in tone in just two episodes. She's FUN she's ENTERTAINING, but never in the same light. I guess what it boils down to for me is he's a fantastic idea-man. He can be amazing at capturing a story, but as a showrunner trying to tie it all together, he lacks.
@toadtv4389
@toadtv4389 Жыл бұрын
When i watched Silence in the Library, i was expecting her to be full-on Doctor Companion somewhere between season 5-10, if that was the case, it would be much better
@jamesissassy8664
@jamesissassy8664 6 жыл бұрын
The weeping angels just should’ve been in “Blink” IMO because just like the silence, daleks, cybermen etc. They got less scary and everytime one of them came back for another episode, I just feel like saying why?
@alim.9801
@alim.9801 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I really enjoyed Time of Angels and Flesh and Stone like the quality did go down a bit but there was still excitement and scares...and then in Angels of Manhattan and onward the quality just took a NOSEDIVE
@orsonlepherd7064
@orsonlepherd7064 2 жыл бұрын
@@alim.9801 I think that they really work in The Angels Take Manhattan, maybe a little overdone but still pretty freaky imo
@cybersingernicholasdavid6082
@cybersingernicholasdavid6082 6 жыл бұрын
I personally love Clara, but I think that Hell Bent should've been about focussing on the triumphant return to Gallifrey, not Clara. :)
@tylerbailey9329
@tylerbailey9329 6 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I totally agree. They also never brought back the real Clara in her frozen form for Twice Upon a Time, so the whole concept seemed like a bit of a waste. And the trailer got me hyped for a great triumphant return to Galifrey, not a hopeless excursion to arrogantly try to save my favourite companion. Not my least favourite episode by far, but it left a bitter taste in my mouth.
@timbogymbro66
@timbogymbro66 6 жыл бұрын
You see, I don't understand that. There could be no triumphant return. The Timelords just tortured the Doctor for 4.5 billion years. Him being happy for returning would make no sense.
@cybersingernicholasdavid6082
@cybersingernicholasdavid6082 6 жыл бұрын
Unless they made it a triumphant return not in a happy way but because they've done something wrong and he's arriving to stop them. :)
@illwill1991
@illwill1991 6 жыл бұрын
Tim Timothy Tim - Whovian Extraordinaire! Well triumphant doesn't necessarily mean "happy"
@Noobie2k7
@Noobie2k7 5 жыл бұрын
The episode should have focused almost entirely on trying to depose Rassilon and redeeming the Timelords. Then him hunting down Ashildr at the end of the universe.
@noodletheriddle
@noodletheriddle 6 жыл бұрын
That Clara rant was a gift, thank you.
@scarcehyperion2148
@scarcehyperion2148 5 жыл бұрын
The reason I hated Hell Bent wasn't even because if the Clara stuff, it's that when the Doctor broke the wall in Heaven Sent and he had found Gallifrey I was so excited for the resolution of the story started in Day of the Doctor. I was excited for the episode all the way up until it was on and then for the Doctor retuning to Gallifrey to be such an insignificant event and part of the episode after he established that was his goal after DotD was the most disappointing part for me. Then the Clara stuff was a complete mess and it just made for one of the most awful and disappointing issues in Moffats run.
@DiamondImpact
@DiamondImpact 6 жыл бұрын
Been watching but never commented on your videos before but that end rant was amazing and exactly how I feel bout that episode
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah I hadn’t actually planned to go off that hard. But it happens.
@blackphoenix77
@blackphoenix77 6 жыл бұрын
I despise Clara and I hate how Moffat tried to make her the singular most important companion ever; I'm surprised that he didn't make her go back in time and invent TARDISes or something. And now she's functionally immortal. I wanna flip off Moffat for that shit too.
@NootOfRoses
@NootOfRoses 5 жыл бұрын
I think a story about the Doctor going to far and crossing the lines utterly grief stricken is a really really good idea. But in Hell Bent, there's no consequences to his actions. So it just makes it mean nothing. He doesn't feel bad for shooting the General, there's no repercussions from it. Nothing. So it makes it all rather meaningless and just detracts from the Doctor's character. Water's of Mars handled it so much better. The Doctor went to far, he tried to control time. And he was punished for it. It's a perfect example of how to do that sort of episode right. Hell Bent is the polar opposite.
@ashleywalla4087
@ashleywalla4087 6 ай бұрын
Going back through these ranking videos so sorry for the reply on an old comment but you make such a great comparison with Hell Bent and Water's of Mars. Just think of the storylines that lead up to them. The Doctor's best friend, the most important person to him, becomes too much like him and it gets her killed. In the aftermath, he spends too much time alone without a companion and winds up going too far. At some point during the story, one of them will forget the other exists. Did I not just describe both stories? One of these happened in one episode, the other was technically built up over two series, though really only one with how often they changed who Clara was, and both, technically, had three episodes worth of payoff. Yet the one-episode version was better.
@azaipow2702
@azaipow2702 6 жыл бұрын
At least, we agree on the Number 1, fully ^^
@Ben-vf5gk
@Ben-vf5gk 6 жыл бұрын
Got to admit I was looking forward to you ripping into hell bent throughout the whole video. Bravo.
@maxeyre2024
@maxeyre2024 6 жыл бұрын
That Hell Bent rant was awesome! Now let's never speak about that dreadful piece of crap episode ever again. XD I also realized how Steven Moffat's best and worst episodes are right next to each other... kinda proves that he was a very inconsistent writer. But otherwise, great video and also is this is a thing now that every Sunday we get a Doctor Who video? If so, that's great! :)
@highvoltage7797
@highvoltage7797 6 жыл бұрын
1. Hell bent 2. Hell bent 3. Hell bent 4. Hell bent 5. Hell bent 6. Hell bent 7. Hell bent 8. Hell bent 9. Hell bent 10. The Doctor The widow and the wardrobe
@jadominek7116
@jadominek7116 6 жыл бұрын
It's not "The best episodes" list ;)
@highvoltage7797
@highvoltage7797 6 жыл бұрын
Alex R Ok..... that doesn’t really have anything to do with my comment but ok.
@DadSkool
@DadSkool 6 жыл бұрын
i actually really liked hell bent and heaven sent. Much better if you count them as one. well they are one story with a not so good start As for The Doctor The widow and the wardrobe. Yes, worst doctor Who ep of all time. i couldn't even sit through it in one sitting
@DadSkool
@DadSkool 6 жыл бұрын
It was good bc it was a new concept at the time and was blowing peoples minds
@chrissonofpear3657
@chrissonofpear3657 6 жыл бұрын
I didn't much care for part 1 of the Davros 2 parter...
@christiegreenwood2642
@christiegreenwood2642 6 жыл бұрын
Clara has no personality. She steals the show, warps everyone out of character, has improbable and ridiculous skills always according to what the plot needs her to do, is obnoxious, never faces lasting consequences for her actions, never actually has to make a difficult decision. She's a Black Hole Sue and poison for the narrative.
@concettasorvillo3719
@concettasorvillo3719 5 жыл бұрын
YES, One of the worst written character EVER.
@pottaishi8679
@pottaishi8679 5 жыл бұрын
She's a living sonic screwdriver except not even wood can stop her.
@enorth7301
@enorth7301 5 жыл бұрын
Ok, but Jena is a fabulous actress and deserves this clarification.
@Ryusuta
@Ryusuta 5 жыл бұрын
+E North Let's not go nuts. She's a PASSABLE actress with two facial expressions: condescending smile and gape-mouthed shock.
@Ben-vf5gk
@Ben-vf5gk 5 жыл бұрын
@@Ryusuta Really? Look at the scene at the end of Kill the Moon, or the scene on Deep Breath where she threatens the Doctor. Her performance is great, the writing is what doesn't work.
@RayneArt
@RayneArt 5 жыл бұрын
Clara and the Doctor being the "hybrid"... I rolled my eyes so hard
@julieeverett7442
@julieeverett7442 4 жыл бұрын
actually I think the doctor IS the hybrid, and we've already met him! The half human doctor with Rose. He did commit near genocide (again) did he not. Half human/half timelord as deadly if more so than half Dalek dont you think?
@bensjammin9
@bensjammin9 6 жыл бұрын
Best rant I’ve ever heard on Hell Bent. Worst episode of Doctor Who ever done. Lasting damage done.
@bensjammin9
@bensjammin9 6 жыл бұрын
JustSomeRandomGuy Online woah woah woah - Heaven Sent is literally one of the best episodes of the whole series. Hell Bent is the bad one.
@AhsimNreiziev
@AhsimNreiziev 6 жыл бұрын
+BSK Just ignore him. He's either a troll, or more likely he's one of the (insanely rare, it needs to be stressed) exceptions to the rule that all opinions are worth considering. Essentially, he's just salty that *any* Episode from the writer he has chosen to hate without any room left for rhyme or reason, has gotten near-Universal acclaim, and so he endlessly spews baseless bile on any that fit that category. Which would include _Blink_ (and all 4 stories from the Russell T. Davies Era actually), _The Day of the Doctor_ and _Heaven Sent_ . So, yeah, just ignore him.
@AhsimNreiziev
@AhsimNreiziev 6 жыл бұрын
+Orthodox plum _"Or, or maybe he just doesn’t like the episodes that much at all, ever consider that ?"_ As a matter of fact, I have considered that, yes. But I have also seen other comments of him on other _Doctor Who_ - related videos. As such, I can attest that everything he writes is consistent with my assessment that he's either a troll; or that he's a person whose mind has been warped by their hatred to the point that he's only spouting utter nonsense that can and should be either ignored or ridiculed. I have not, at any point, read a comment of his on anything Moffat-related that has given me any sort of indication that he's capable of formulating a coherent argument worthy of engagement or even consideration. So, again: yes, I have considered it; and I have rejected that option based on overwhelming evidence.
@heatherrockwell9012
@heatherrockwell9012 4 жыл бұрын
Well, do I have good news for you now....
@davidshead1323
@davidshead1323 6 жыл бұрын
Oh no, I love deep breath, this could be a wild rollercoaster of emotions for me aha
@theking-nz1ut
@theking-nz1ut 6 жыл бұрын
Worst episodes written by Steven moffat? My god there's been so many?
@johnkeyes1774
@johnkeyes1774 6 жыл бұрын
I just hate the guy so much. He has killed my interest in the show!
@danielsleeper2307
@danielsleeper2307 5 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, the Doctor would not go to those lengths for SARAH JANE SMITH. THE. COMPANION.
@julieeverett7442
@julieeverett7442 4 жыл бұрын
agreed
@WidthTomJones
@WidthTomJones 5 жыл бұрын
I feel like Matt Smith’s ‘death’ was just boring. Eccelston absorbs the heart of the TARDIS to save Rose. Tennant smashes through a glass ceiling, saves Wilf by absorbing radiation and then says goodbye to everyone. Smith just gets old? At least Capaldi had a build up.
@ourphilosophyis9119
@ourphilosophyis9119 4 жыл бұрын
Okay, why on Earth would you ding Deep Breath for “wasting” a dinosaur by burning it to death in a cruel manner? That’s the EXACT point! It makes the Doctor angry FOR THAT REASON. I mean, come on.
@jillcrungus
@jillcrungus 6 жыл бұрын
That Hell Bent rant was absolutely beautiful and completely true.
@themasquerade9136
@themasquerade9136 6 жыл бұрын
For me I feel like Clara is supposed to be a symbol. I may be looking into this to much but let me explain. She started out as a generally normal companion (as far as normal companions go) but as time went on and she chose the doctor and he grew unhealthly attached to her she started to become the doctor in a way. She made rash choices randomly and thought herself invincible, completely parallel to how she originally thought of herself in the first few incarnations we met her. She went from willing to die to thinking she can never die. To me it showcases how much the doctor changes a person. This being said I still hate how important she was made to the doctor but I feel it Mimicked Roses "Bad Wold scene" I'm parting of the ways, of course to the extreme. She also mimicks Donna in the way the doctor's memory disappears. She mimicks Martha in the idea of falling for the Doctor. She mimicks so many companions and I feel like it was added in to show what have happened to them if they stayed with the doctor.
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 6 жыл бұрын
You’re not wrong in your first paragraph. The thing is all of that is true and holds up totally separate from the mess that is Hell Bent.
@themasquerade9136
@themasquerade9136 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly! They should have let her die as a warning. By proving her right and making her invincible it ruins the whole point of the build up. It's frustrating
@stopstaringatmewtf7651
@stopstaringatmewtf7651 5 жыл бұрын
I think "The Beast Below" should've taken place after the Silurian story. It could give a better reason for the Doctor to be mad, since he was already angry at the humans for killing a Silurian.
@charliewarner787
@charliewarner787 5 жыл бұрын
Capaldi should have gone full troughton with the Hell Bent script. Just tell Moffat what he really thinks and order him to write better scripts, as a fan. Not as an actor
@ToriEnglishArtsandPaws
@ToriEnglishArtsandPaws 5 жыл бұрын
I love your venting at the end - I´m completely agreeing with you. That was completely horrible. Sometimes showrunners need to either not kill off a character or let them stay dead. Don´t kill them and then bring them back again, unless immortality is part of the premise (which it kinda is for the doctor, but not for the companions. And sure, Clara was the impossible girl who died three times, but that doesn´t mean you have to bring her back, so she can die a fourth time)
@KnightfallFelix
@KnightfallFelix 5 жыл бұрын
You know what? Your arguments against Hell Bent are totally valid. I still love that episode though if only for that scene where Clara learns that The Doctor spent 4.5 billions years in the confession dial. Also, I do buy that this incarnation of The Doctor would be willing to break his own rules for Clara though I find his shooting of the general egregious nevertheless.
@DenniWintyr
@DenniWintyr 6 жыл бұрын
I thought he went to greater lengths for Amy, even trusting her to remember him after his entire existence was erased from time
@alim.9801
@alim.9801 3 жыл бұрын
That's a really good point I hadn't thought about it like that
@kristienwhitneyjohns2215
@kristienwhitneyjohns2215 5 жыл бұрын
Stephen Moffat. Or should I say "clickbait the writter"
@MovieMagic515
@MovieMagic515 3 жыл бұрын
Steven*
@AnthonyLongboarding
@AnthonyLongboarding 6 жыл бұрын
I agree with most of this video, altough I really do enjoy the Time Of The Doctor and the Beast Below
@theaveragejoe6320
@theaveragejoe6320 5 жыл бұрын
Hold on a minute, I love a Christmas carol
@euanhastie4671
@euanhastie4671 4 жыл бұрын
One list I would like to see is the Top 10 best scenes* in Bad episodes. *or moments, concepts, performances etc.
@InaZeaAnaZazi
@InaZeaAnaZazi 4 жыл бұрын
and the opposite. Worst scenes/actors/moments in really good episodes
@julieeverett7442
@julieeverett7442 4 жыл бұрын
I can give you one. 11th speech in Akhaten, his speech was absolutely heart wrenching, the rest of the story, boring
@Lil-Dragon
@Lil-Dragon 6 жыл бұрын
I never use phone to watch youtube aloud but this is worth it.
@Cattherunner
@Cattherunner 6 жыл бұрын
Looove the Beast Below but SO AGREE with it being badly placed. His rage toward Amy makes no sense and that always irritated me.
@MovieMagic515
@MovieMagic515 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe he went back in time?
@EileenGallia
@EileenGallia 6 жыл бұрын
Best thing about "The Doctor, The Witch, and the Wardrobe" is Madge and this quote: "Because what's the point in them being happy now if they're going to be sad later. The answer is, of course, because they a re going to be sad later"
@FlamerOHR
@FlamerOHR 5 жыл бұрын
That rant about Hell Bent was beautiful. My wife and I put off watching series 10 for an incredibly long time because we just lost all interest in Doctor Who after the outcome of Hell Bent - left us bored saying "WTF". I didn't even think about the Doctor shooting someone, omg, that hit home at what was fundamentally wrong - 9, 10 and 11 all avoided shooting a gun at someone... then this.
@paulwalker3758
@paulwalker3758 6 жыл бұрын
Generally like the list, though as you suggested there were a few on here which I really do like (A Christmas Carol in particular I view as being the best Christmas story). I disagree on the angels defeating themselves in Time of Angels & Flesh and Stone. Whilst they did trick the angels into wiping themselves out, the only reason they couldn't escape from the crack (and closed it) is because they were there looking at them, locking them in their stone form. I think we know that she learned his name during their night on Derylium. She only ever knew the name after then (in the Library, and on Trenzalore). Whilst I'm not a fan of Time of the Doctor either, I think that the End of Time is my second least favourite regeneration story (covering all of old and new Who). Though obviously the Vale Decem end is awesome, as is the bit in the cafe with Wilf. Beyond that I just can't enjoy EoT. TotD I hated the beginning bit with the turkey. I agree about the Snowmen. That bit where the Doctor and Clara are escaping the Ice Nanny was fantastic! The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe seemed to actually call itself on getting lost (the Doctor said something about "meandering in the middle but got there in the end"). And I like Madge :) And the Hell Bent one, I think there were mistakes. For the 12th Doctor she is the most important person, like Amy was for the 11th, and Rose was for both 9 & 10. Shooting people seems to be something that changes regeneration to regenration (I know the 3rd Doctor was willing to kill the Master and did shoot some monsters). Moffat said that the hunt for Gallifrey was a mistake, because all that could really be done with it was show up at X, and it was there or it wasn't. Or they go looking for clues, and they're there or they're not. And that really wasn't fun. So he decided to accept his mistake & not compound it by staying locked into it. And he didn't think that the companions should die. They are the audience viewpoint (often for the kids), so he just didn't want to end them. I don't think highly of Hell Bent, but I certainly don't have the same distain for it that you do. As always, I did enjoy your thoughts, and you articulated all your opinions well.
@belinda35_77
@belinda35_77 6 жыл бұрын
I switch Heaven Sent off following the line "That's one hell of a bird" everytime, and have totally retcon'd HB from my life! I go straight from HS to Husbands of River Song...HS straight to HoRS..there is no in between!
@artisticaddler6048
@artisticaddler6048 5 жыл бұрын
Dude that rant at the end was so beautiful not only because it echoes my sentiments of Series 9 and Clara, but because it was so well articulated and you had a clear idea of WHY you hated that ending - it wasn't a half-hearted hatred.
@MrRjhyt
@MrRjhyt 6 жыл бұрын
At least hatred is an emotional response, the worst episodes truly, are the Meh... ones. In general, I'm not fond of worst of lists, as all writers have their ups and downs. When an episode doesn't work, I try to find the parts in it that hint at potential. Whether it's a key moment that crystalises what they were aiming for, or a different direction the story could have gone. I don't have a rant,... I don't even claim your judgement is wrong, but I choose to focus on the positives. Whether it's scenery chewing by Richard E. Grant, or comedy of the Paternoster Gang. Even episodes like 'Kill The Moon', or 'The Forest of the Night', while objectively poor, they have something. Perhaps the Timelord Triumphant in Kill the Moon, as Capaldi steps back from making that choice, forcing his companions to decide. Or in 'Forest', his rescue by Clara, walking him back to the Tardis, saving his life to continue onwards, even if the Earth will burn. It is massively incoherent, but also surprisingly dark. He can't save the plane, or it's seven billion inhabitants.
@andreiamelo4540
@andreiamelo4540 3 жыл бұрын
Omg you really made me laught with the way you get so upset with Hell Bent! Your face was turning red🤣 thanks for that!
@themightyboush
@themightyboush 5 жыл бұрын
I get so much pleasure when I see someone savaging Hell Bent.
@glenmcculla6843
@glenmcculla6843 6 жыл бұрын
Point of order: Clara's from present day Blackpool, not London!:p But no, i fully agree. Victorian Clara would have been so much better as a companion. All of these are really well argued, and i can't really disagree with any of them, as i can understand the downsides even on episodes i personally like. Good list.
@davidcheater4188
@davidcheater4188 5 жыл бұрын
Dalek Clara would have been amazing.
@orsonlepherd7064
@orsonlepherd7064 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidcheater4188 imagine if there was a team up episode with Dalek Oswin and Governess Clara and not some boring modern present day suburban Clara
@ricecakes5696
@ricecakes5696 6 жыл бұрын
Personally I think that doctor who has lost it’s essence of mystery as they always now know all the time where they are going. Also have you seen the new costume?
@mattt2197
@mattt2197 6 жыл бұрын
I didn't mind the ending of series 6 with the tesselector, I thought it was a really clever solution to the mystery of the series.
@junsikjung2386
@junsikjung2386 4 жыл бұрын
just a question: if you skip hell bent after watching heaven sent, is it still ok to understand the story? (by the way I'm asking this because I'm a bit new to Doctor Who and I haven't seen series 9 yet); it's also ok if you write spoilers on the reply (well the video is pretty much a spoiler anyway) because I can still feel catharsis in many shows when I actually know what will happen before watching it.
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 4 жыл бұрын
Well... the story will make sense but it’ll be clear that you’ve left off the concluding bit because Heaven Sent ends with a blatant set up for Hell Bent. So it’s a question of whether you’re ok not seeing that play out.
@niroc6018
@niroc6018 5 жыл бұрын
The Angels ep, I think they never zapped anyone back because they live off the potential energy created by you living your whole life in the past but, their wouldn't have been any food so you would die real fast and the angels may have spent more energy just sending you back than what they received. Also, I think River found out the Doctors name during the 27 years they spent on Darillium
@unleashed1237
@unleashed1237 3 жыл бұрын
Quick question I’m on series 7 and should I skip dinosaur on a space ship,a town called mercy,the power of three
@julieeverett7442
@julieeverett7442 2 жыл бұрын
I rather liked them, give them a go!
@danielsleeper2307
@danielsleeper2307 5 жыл бұрын
By shooting the General, he became the Hybrid. (Well, it's only a part of it.)
@vpaulbartilucci8544
@vpaulbartilucci8544 6 жыл бұрын
Beautiful rant at the end there, man! Everything you said could apply to my feelings about Kitty Pryde.
@pottedaloe9160
@pottedaloe9160 6 жыл бұрын
When you're so mad your voice starts at random intervals turning into Batman.
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 6 жыл бұрын
I AM THE NIGHT!
@MovieMagic515
@MovieMagic515 3 жыл бұрын
@@CouncilofGeeks where's da trigger!!
@charliekay2334
@charliekay2334 5 жыл бұрын
I personally was not too phased by the plot of hellbent, I didn’t love it but it was fine... BUT GOD was that rant incredible! 🙌 First youtuber in ages that I can watch 6-7 20+ minute long episodes in a day and not get bored! Incredible stuff
@mizushimo
@mizushimo 6 жыл бұрын
Rage! My interpretation of the doctor losing his mind over Clara was that that particular regeneration of the doctor was in such a dark state that he couldn't handle a friend's death anymore. All his defenses were stripped away, he was a barely contained ball of enthropy. He was inherently damaged and he was using Clara's existence to keep himself sane and whole. I really enjoyed seeing the doctor at such a low point, but then he never had to deal with his obsession with her, instead, he was allowed to forget. The whole thing was weird.
@thewatcherofawesomecontent
@thewatcherofawesomecontent 6 жыл бұрын
Hell Bent is one episode that truly lives up to it's name. Great rant and video!
@meanmistermason6308
@meanmistermason6308 6 жыл бұрын
10: Twice Upon a Time 9: Time of the Doctor 8: Asylum of the Daleks 7: Listen 6: Last Christmas 5: The Magician’s Apprentice/The Witch’s Familiar 4: The Doctor, The Widow, and The Wardrobe 3: Let’s Kill Hitler 2: The Wedding of River Song 1: Hell Bent
@julieeverett7442
@julieeverett7442 4 жыл бұрын
I actually enjoyed 10 8, 5 ; 5 had one of the best entrances I've ever seen, 10 had the christmas armatise and the precious first regeneration and a not too bad story.
@jahmelgreaves-jones3981
@jahmelgreaves-jones3981 3 жыл бұрын
The thing is Hell Bent is not even bad. It was a very good episode. It's just not the ending we had all expected. I loved the episode. Series 9 is one of the best seasons. Everyone was expecting the Doctor to start a war on Gallifrey but instead it showed how far he would go to save Clara. It was a brilliant episode
@jamiekeay1018
@jamiekeay1018 6 жыл бұрын
what I don't get about the wedding of riversong is that where is the FUTURE? If ALL of time is happening at once then why is there no time further than early 21st century?
@pottaishi8679
@pottaishi8679 5 жыл бұрын
One word Budget.
@ohyeahitsthatguy9454
@ohyeahitsthatguy9454 5 жыл бұрын
@@pottaishi8679 Two Words Timey Wimey
@_evanwalsh_
@_evanwalsh_ 6 жыл бұрын
Lol The Bells Of Saint John is my favourite episode! Also I’ve heard that The Time Of The Doctor was meant to be Series 8, but Matt Smith wanted to leave so the series was condensed into one episode. I don’t know if that would make it better, I actually like the episode, but I feel like it would be a cool idea.
@thejamsterx
@thejamsterx 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, Matt dropped out at the last second on series 8. Therefore, Moffat had to write one season in an hour episode. So for what Time of the Doctor is, I think it works quite well.
@fishymhx1365
@fishymhx1365 6 жыл бұрын
thejamsterx Moffat didn't have to throw all that out, he could have continued those stories but a little differently due to the regeneration and new actor, though I do understand that casting Capaldi allowed them to give the Doctor and Clara an uncertain relationship which was very fitting for Capaldi's first season. But Chris Chibnall and future showrunners should continue planned stories when a Doctor walks out on them, a face and personality change doesn't have to mean completely change the following season and throwing out its planned story arcs, that's a knee jerk reaction and is poor way of handling a regeneration.
@thejamsterx
@thejamsterx 6 жыл бұрын
Fishy the fall of the eleventh and the battle of Trenzalore had to be told with 11 as the doctor. Moffat wanted to clear up the silence arc before the new doctor joined.
@chrissonofpear3657
@chrissonofpear3657 6 жыл бұрын
And he didn't do it too well, as they're reduced to confessors who are enlisted for a half-assed bootstrap paradox plot.
@julieeverett7442
@julieeverett7442 4 жыл бұрын
I did think trenzalore should have been a full series, nice to know I was right
@NeilPoultonProjectManagement
@NeilPoultonProjectManagement 6 жыл бұрын
One of the best rants ever. I want to buy t-shirt now!
@bendream544
@bendream544 5 жыл бұрын
I think that Moffat's problem with Hell Bent was he failed to get across where the Doctor was coming from because I don't see it as the Doctor seeing Clara as any more important than other companions. You're forgetting that Clara died as a result of the Time Lords ensnaring the Doctor and his actions afterwards are a direct response to that i.e they're pissing all over the rules so he retaliates in like fashion although I still think you are right about him shooting the other Time Lord. But you really went into me rant style (which I do a lot of with new who)and for that I'll take my hat off to you as it's good to see someone else who can be that passionate about Dr.Who
@saaraa7876
@saaraa7876 6 жыл бұрын
Great Hell Bent rant. You didn't even mention the semi-conclusion to the hybrid mystery which just goes to show how utterly meaningless that whole storyline was.
@LampShadeAffair
@LampShadeAffair 5 жыл бұрын
knew Hellbent would show up on this list 😂
@stewdrawsstuff
@stewdrawsstuff 6 жыл бұрын
Loved your rage about hell bent! It’s exactly what I’ve been saying for a long time now, that Moffat is too enamoured with his own ideas and creations that he undermines everything that has come before, especially with Clara! It was noticeable in Listen where he basically makes her the reason why he is the Doctor.
@definitelycatherine7296
@definitelycatherine7296 6 жыл бұрын
At first I liked Clara. I liked her sass and the impossible girl storyline was fascinating. But she really overstayed her welcome. Her sass started to come off as just being rude to me. When I thought they killed her off in the beginning of season 9 I gave the writers because of how harsh and abrupt it was, then they had to ruin it by bringing her back. Clara Oswald: textbook example of how to slowly ruin a character.
@ysthafellgynghori8423
@ysthafellgynghori8423 5 жыл бұрын
We've had seven years of Moffat making it up as he went along, with ludricrous stories about eyepatches and pregnancies peopled by unlikeable characters. I'm so glad he's gone.
@ghlmk5931
@ghlmk5931 5 жыл бұрын
I just watched this today so I'm late to comment, but just to be clear...you didn't like He'll Bent, right? Just checking😂😂😂. Great rant!
@auskipper
@auskipper 10 ай бұрын
That hell bent rant was so nostalgic to hear again after several years
@gizee99
@gizee99 6 жыл бұрын
this entire video is such a mood
@MagiTailWelkin
@MagiTailWelkin 4 жыл бұрын
The Doctor has killed in the classic series, for reasons of self defence and those who are outright monsters. But the death of the General, that was outright murder for selfish reasons. The Doctor does kill, but he does not murder!
@sideshowdylan
@sideshowdylan 6 жыл бұрын
That rant on hell bent made my day
@shane55pwnt
@shane55pwnt 5 жыл бұрын
Honestly I wouldn't care if the Doctor shot the General because he was out of his mind with grief and anger and honestly had a moment of weakness and felt a massive amount of regret. The problem for me was he distinctly knew what he was doing. It was a decision he made. It wasn't an emotionally made decision, it was a planned decision.
@jubilationmaster2666
@jubilationmaster2666 5 жыл бұрын
That rant was awesome 19:37
@charliecartwright4371
@charliecartwright4371 5 жыл бұрын
Have to disagree with Beast Below. To me this was how a started to learn about 11, rather than it requiring that development to work
@lucasdolding6924
@lucasdolding6924 6 жыл бұрын
10) Last Christmas 9) The Beast Below 8) The Name of the Doctor 7) Let's Kill Hitler 6) The Bells of Saint John 5) The Time of the Doctor 4) Asylum of the Daleks 3) The Wedding of River Song 2) The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe 1) Hell Bent (loved your rant on it, but I don't hate it as passionately as you do)
@geowinchester4573
@geowinchester4573 4 жыл бұрын
my mouth dropped open when i saw a christmas carol,,,bro WHAT. The slander 😭
@MusikloverinZ
@MusikloverinZ 5 жыл бұрын
I love the time of the angels/flesh and stone, in my top 10 doctor who episodes, but that's fair criticism of the angles -- I always thought they killed the people because they weren't strong enough to zap them back. Didn't like how we saw the angels move because in blink, the camera always counted as a viewer, and how Amy got away with acting like she can't see
@rowanwax
@rowanwax 6 жыл бұрын
All your complaints about #1 is why I don’t like Moffat as a writer. 😩
@roxxychik06
@roxxychik06 4 жыл бұрын
O.o wow I really want to see an entire episode of of loosing it about hell bent
@risky_busine55
@risky_busine55 5 жыл бұрын
Your anger over hell bent is righteous
@venomfan3412
@venomfan3412 6 жыл бұрын
For a while I’ve honestly never understood why people hated Hell Bent so much. I just initially thought that it was because Heaven Sent was so god-like as a penultimate episode that absolutely nothing after it would be satisfying. However, you’ve definitely opened my eyes as to why it’s gotten the criticisms it has. Although Clara is my personally favorite, I have to agree that the show deciding she’s the most important companion goes against the very grain of the show itself. While I still do like Hell Bent a lot, I definitely understand the criticisms it has now.
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 6 жыл бұрын
Glad you saw the rationale behind the rage.
@venomfan3412
@venomfan3412 6 жыл бұрын
Council of Geeks Hey, you’re a wordsmith, even in a fit of rage haha
@detectivesquirrel2621
@detectivesquirrel2621 4 жыл бұрын
'Teasing but not delivering' should be the title of Steven Moffat's autobiography
@user-sn2dg1rv1i
@user-sn2dg1rv1i 6 жыл бұрын
When i saw hell bent on no1 i was like wtf??? But duuuuude you make excellent points!
@cosmicspooky
@cosmicspooky 6 жыл бұрын
gonna come out and say it, pandorica opens and the big bang are my two favorite episodes of 11
@henryg4377
@henryg4377 3 жыл бұрын
That rant on Hell Bent lives up to most Doctor Who great speeches!
@AlexGinnYT
@AlexGinnYT 6 жыл бұрын
I agree with almost you're entire list, all exept Time of the Angels/Flesh and Stone which I personally liked and Time of the Doctor which is one of my favorite episode, but everyone has their own opinion. I love all your Doctor Who videos and can't wait to see more, thanks for all you do.
@UnfoundFilms
@UnfoundFilms 4 жыл бұрын
Your rant on Hell Bent is like therapy to me.
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