"Chemos is such a bad planet, they are killing the orphants, because they don't have enough food" Boy will have a heart attack, when we talk abaout Konrad Curz!

“The Lion is justice incarnate”…….Konrad Curze would like to know your location. Just kidding, he’s already behind you

Ferus doesn't embody loyalty so much as he does honor and courage, Leman Russ primarch of the Space Wolves embodies quite literally unquestionable and undying loyalty

What nux missed is the fact that he was being lied to and whispered to the entire time. He was lied to about the intentions of Eldrad, he was lied to by Horus on what Fulgrim himself was fighting for, and he was lied to about his mental state by his sword. His pursuit of perfection at first was more like making his warriors stronger due to their smaller legion scale once he picked up the sword the fall began.

The Children were the best of the pre-heresy Space Marines. Only from the highest of peaks can you have the greatest fall.

Nux 1000% needs to learn about clonegrim now. Like I really wanna see his reaction to that all situation.

Bro, Nux HAS to react to Rylanor's story. Dude is such a giga chad! Seriously, Nux would love to know about the ancient of rites.

If you want a funny story involving Fulgrim, look up _The Ancient Awaits._ It even has your favourite boys, the TSons, in it. Or maybe _Rylanor's Last Stand_ by Stringstorm, which is a rock opera adaption of the short story.

Fulgrim was too arrogant to believe he could be controlled so he thought the Daemon words were his subconscious speaking to him. A since he's perfect, his subconscious must be right 100%

IIRC cegorach, the Eldar laughing god is the one responsible for switching Fulgrim and Jaghatai's intended planet.

Perfection = obsession. And obsession is the realm of "She Who Thirsts"

Resident warhammer lore guy here: The thing that most people forget entirely is, Fulgrim isn't taken over by ONE daemon. It's TWO. See, there was a daemon summoned via a painting to take over his body. Fulgrim starts getting trapped in the painting, while the painting daemon takes over Fulgrim's body. But. Fulgrim is a primarch, so it's not that easy. He gets the Laer blade, which also has a daemon in it. It wasn't until the fight against Ferrus Manus that the daemons win. Fulgrim couldn't kill his brother, the daemon in the sword did that. Fulgrim lost in that moment and was trapped in the painting, in the theater aboard his flagship. THEN LATER GW RETCONNED IT WITH A SINGLE LINE IN A SHORT STORY, BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS. WE CAN'T JUST HAVE OUR PORTRAIT OF DORIAN GREY STORY. I GET IT. SPACE IS BIG. BUT LIKE GW IS GONNA REDEEM FULGRIM EVER. (source, Fulgrim, book 5 of the Horus heresy)

What’s worse is when Fulgrim has Ferrus on the ropes Fulgrim hesitates again not wanting to kill his best brother but the greater demon in the sword moves his hand and lops Ferrus’ head off.

Amber king is the way to go. Or baldermort. It goes into more detail why stuff happens the way they do. Remembrencer is great for beginners but can be vague.

I think a big part that wasn't mentioned is that he basically watched as everyone he knew and loved who were mortal grow old and die. He was married several times and eventually he grew to care less and less. This is partially why he was obsessed with perfection because he saw how imperfect reality was.

Peter TURBO is next. Though He doesn't really explain HOW perty was mistreated (Hurud , criminals ect)

Please look at the story of Rylanor, the Ancient of Rites. It isn't too long but it is a really cool character and story

what I love about your 40K reactions, is your not just reacting, you are absorbing and understanding the material. top notch.

A big thing they quickly glossed over was that when Fulgrim was given his legion there were only 300 marines compared to the 60,000-150,000 others had. His legion suffered from a severe disease which devastated it. He was eventually able to cure them of this disease but due to their low numbers they would be assigned to join Horus for a significant time while their numbers were replenished which is what made Fulgrim be so close to Horus. Ferrus Manus basically caused his own death. At the time of the Heresy he had one of the strongest legions out there, but upon hearing of Horus’s treachery he raced to Istvan V with the forces he had at hand and did not wait for the rest of his legion to arrive. He rushed in to duel Fulgrim thus splitting up his forces even more which made him extremely outnumbered. Ferrus also wasn’t a great leader per se. He had a “survival of the fittest” mentality and would greatly encourage his generals to have rivalries and fight amongst each other. The only thing that held the legion together was Ferrus himself. After his death the generals of his legion just couldn’t stand each other and refused to work together which made them not a real threat to Horus anymore.

Few facts missing in video you watched: 1) Fulgrim asked his apothecary Byle to make few clones of Ferrus Manus. And when he asked them to join him, they all refuse and got beheaded. 2) There cool story with chad Rylanor about greal L of Fulgrim

The Emperor’s children are getting a huge release soon and Fulgrim will almost certainly burst back into the scene in suitably fabulous fashion

Nux, one thing that you need to know is WHY Horus and Fulgrim turned. Chaos showed them a future where the Emperor was worshiped as a God, and they decided that The Dream of the Imperium was the Perfection - not the Emperor himself This issue was the future they where shown is 40, after the heresy where the Emperor can't stop people worshipping his corpse

PERTY is next... OH BOY we're in for a journey.

Just one more missing parts: Fulgrim's soul was separated from his chaotic body; and fabius bile cloned fulgrim, creating a perfect clone; and his sould returned to his body. And then, guess what, rumor has it that Trazyn the infinite took the loyalist primarch clone fulgrim to his collection. Demon-snake fulgrim never did anything again, ever; not a single appearance, he doesn't care about anything, his legion are fragmented warbands that sometimes help the black legion. Turns out depravity is the dead of a character. The perfect slacker.

The Ancient Awaits !!!!!

To truly be loyal to someone is standing beside them even while knowing their flaws and issues. So for Fulgrim once he finally saw the Emperor and Imperium as imperfect his loyalty faltered. Where Ferrus in the pursuit of improving (not perfecting) saw things that can be fixed and thus stayed loyal.

Glad to see there are people who remember Gurren Lagan. Never thought I’d see the anime mentioned in a Warhammer 40K reaction

The Palatine Phoenix is an awesome book of Fulgrim pre-heresy that makes the fall sting that much more.

In their first fight, Ferrrus kinda beat himself. When he destroyed Fireblade, it caused a big explosion that sent Ferrus reeling, then Fulgrim simply knocked him out with Forgebreaker. In their second fight, Ferrus actually had the upper hand, but the Laer Blade convinced Fulgrim to draw it before Ferrus could land a killing blow. Also Fulgrim did actually k*ll Guilleman, but his body was put into stasis for 10k years until he was brought back by the Eldar god of death.

it would have helped Fulgrim realize that the sword was possessed and that the voices werent his subconcious if the emperor told his primarchs about demons that can possess people. but according to the emperor chaos was safer if no one knew of it.

As the song says, there's a thin line between love and hate. That's why Smallville had Clark and Lex be friends from the beginning. To truly hate somebody, you have to live them first and feel betrayed.

before the horus heresy, fulgrim watch horus planning the coup from behind.he start to doubt himself and his decision and believe he can stop horus. but then one of his space marine come to him "my lord, dont forget your sword here" the moment he grab the sword, he completely change his mind

In the book Ferrus Manus: the Gorgon of Medusa, it was said, "The Primarch was wrath made manifest. An avatar of the Emperor's desire for conquest. Clad in sutured iron." I choose this as the real aspect of the Emperor that Ferrus Manus embodies. Considering his upbringing on his homeworld and his desire to conquer the things around him as a means of improving himself. In the same book, Ferrus Manus himself says under his breath, "I am imperfect." And Fulgrim says, " What is that, brother? It is unlike you to be mordlin." This took place before horus even became warmaster, long before he fell to chaos.

41:10 yes, by this point Lorgar was quite corrupted and full traitor. He attempted to exercise the deamon from Fulgrim more because he was pissed he was looking at a full on POSSESSION (Deamon stealing Fulgrim's body for itself) rather than something more symbiotic like what some members of his own Legion achieved. Also, regarding what the Emperor's Children during the siege of Terra, I've heard that some of what they did to the population included TURNING PEOPLE INTO... illicit substances and stimuli.

Nux has to see Fulgrims oldest dreadnaught. Rylanor the Unyielding, ancient of rights!

The Emperor’s Children were one of the most skilled and proficient legions. They were so skilled in their methods of war that among all 20 Legions they had the lowest amount of casualties per world conquered. Meaning while they weren’t the largest or the strongest, they made up for it by having every individual marine be as skilled in every battlefield role possible to ensure no matter what, someone could fill in and take command.

Wish there was some noise marine lore mixed in. Be cool to see nux react to the most metal concert of all time

Nux really needs to check out THE GHEISTOS CATACLYSM video by Scholars Lore. One of the best narrations featuring Papa Nurgle's influence.

GW! GIVE US LOYALIST CLONEGRIM!!!

So happy he’s doing 40k lore

Nux. Lion El Johnson does not represent Justice. He is distrust, paranoia, and secrecy. There are, in fact, 2 primarchs who Id describe as representing 2 sides of justices. Konrad Kurze, Primach of the Nightlords, the Night Haunter. He is vengeful justice, zealous, the individuals justice. He is often referred to as "evil space batman". He often wore human skin robes, capes, and other such attire. On his home world of Nostramo he enacted a bloody murder spree of all the criminals, rapists, murderers, people committing suicide. No Im not kidding with that last one. Corvus Corax, primarch of the Ravenguard, The Raven King, my own genefather, a blatant E.A. Poe reference. He landed on the moon that would one day become known as Deliverance. He was found and raised by the enslaved miners and sheltered from the slaver overlords. He would lead a slave uprising and save his people at the cost of thousands and possibly millions as he had to make a vital decision. He represents blind justice, compassionate judgment, an avenger of the wronged, the peoples justice.

There's a quote from Fulgrim himself,"Going from the pursuit of perfection in all things, to the pursuit of ultimate depravity isn't a journey anyone makes in a single step. It's a series of small steps, each one justifiable in its own hypocritical way. But after you have taken 100 of those small steps, you're a long way from the man you were at the start."

It's funny hearing Chemos reffered to a "the least perfect world". Can't wait to see how he responds to Nostramo or Barbarous. Lol

"I remember the virtue we stood for, I remember the things that we have done!! I am one of the Emperor's Children!!! I am RYLANOR THE ANCIENT OF RITES!!!! So I will REJECT YOU NOW And for ALWAYS!!!! STRIKE YOU DOWN I HAVE WAITED FOR A MILLION NIGHTS!!!"" -RYLANOR the ANCIENT of RITES of the Emperor's Children

its crazy how much louder Nux's videos are compared to everything else I watch on youtube.

Hey Nux, just a quick point on the Lion since you brought him up in the beginning of the vid. Lion El’Johnson wasn’t the most “just” primarch, and didn’t embody “justice”. That was more the point Dorn (he was very stubborn, very blunt, very letter of the law). The Lion more demonstrated the Emperor’s suspicion and, connected, self-sufficiency. You see this in how he refuses to hold council with his sons and accepts NO backtalk. This is a trait he had since he was a feral child in the woods all the way until he was struck down by his longest friend Luthor. His sons, the Dark Angels, carry these traits. They are the most secretive marines left in the Imperium, and will drop any mission, ignore any command, in order to hide the secret of their greatest humiliation: the Fallen (traitor Dark Angels under Luthor during heresy). As far as the Imperium is concerned, no Dark Angel ever turned traitor. And except for the Lion returning, they would have never learned.

"Never! All we have left between us is that we will die together! I am Rylanor of the Emperor's Children. Ancient of Rites, Venerable of the Palatine Host, and proud servant of the Emperor of Mankind, beloved by all. I reject you now and always!" - Ancient Rylanor, Emperor's Children last words to his Primach, Fulgrim - + Rylanor deserves better than you + + He deserves better than all of us + - Vistario, Thousand Sons Raptora's last words to Fulgrim in the same scene -

“What do you do all day?!?” I watch videos all day on KZfaq, okay?!?!? I LEARNED IT FROM YOU NUXADAD!!!

The fall of the third legion and the origin of the noise marines is INSANELY interesting and Nux needs to watch it. Wesshammer’s deep dive on noise marines is a good one for this.

Perfection, never perfect, goal that changes, may chanse, never catch. ~Abathur the evolution master.

The Emperor didn't expect perfection from Fulgrim. That expectation and standard was self-imposed because Fulgrim had that I must be perfect to be worthy of being a primarch, father of the Emperors children legion, and the Phoenician. Basically, he wanted to prove himself despite already proving himself.

32:47- I'd say the Vlka Fenrika and Leman Russ are the embodiments of loyalty.

Pre-Heresy Fulgrim is such a great character. He believes he is superior to everyone else but instead of not caring about others because he is superior he considered it his duty as the superior to uplift others.

I hope that when Nux reaches Angron's lore, he is going to watch Warrior Tier's Angron video. There was so much voice acting and so much emotion in that video.

Highly recommend checking out Rylanor's last stand for anyone interested in this.

And then there’s the perfect clone of Fulgeim that’s being kept by Trazyn, who we’ll probably never meet again

Nux you have to react to Hammer and Bolter (its the only animated series on warhammer 40k) with every episode being different scenarios imo It's extremly good with amazing voice acting and very interesting stories.

Definitely listen to Baldermort's video on Fulgrim. He does such a good job showing how sad a painful Fulgrim's fall was.

Perterabo is my favorite primarch. You're in for a treat

I just realized that I can’t wait for nux to react to the lore of the T‘au

For anyone who doesn't know about it, there's this incredible non-canon fan comic about Clonegrim escaping from Trazyn's vault and returning to the Imperium in the 41st Millenium called the Ember Phoenix. It's fucking incredible and Clonegrim is probably simultaneously one the nicest people in 40K and absolutely fucking terrifying if you piss him off. Also it's really interesting cause it ties into Caul making some of the Primaris marines with Fulgrim's geneseed and spreading them throughout the other legions, so after Clonegrim returns he does actually have uncorrupted sons he can lead... even if they and everyone else hate his guts at first. Okay imma stop venting now just please read it it's really fucking good.

Another Andy video, nice. If u want a really deep dive go to Hal the Amber King. Andy's good for beginners and for obscure lore, while Hal likes his characters. So if u want a 3 hour video on 1 character then he's ur guy

Nux, the Primarchs and their Legions often acted as diplomats to the various factions around the galaxy during the Great Crusade, so they often were the de facto representatives of the Emperor and the Imperium as a whole. In fact, the Emperor's Children were considered consumate diplomats because there was only a few hundred of them left before Fulgrim's return, so rather than fighting and dying on the front lines the 3rd were often called in for less risky assignments that still required the involvement of Astartes forces, like sending a squad of Legionaires to attend peace talks, trade agreements, or negotiations. It should also be noted that the 3rd Legion was specifically drawn from Terran nobles who would offer up their children to the Emperor as a demonstration of loyalty and fealty, hence why he decided to call them 'The _Emperor's_ Children' and not 'Fulgrim's Children' or 'the Sons of Fulgrim'; the 3rd Legion were already the 'Emperor's Children' before Fulgrim arrived. It should also be noted that while the Terran-born members of the 3rd Legion were essentially cut off from their families and indoctrinated to be fanatically loyal to the Emperor and the Imperium, they were still aware of their origins as Terran nobility and endeavored to conduct themselves as such, and part of that was being well-spoken and politically savvy enough to have discussions with other nobles without offending them and, hopefully, getting them to lend the Imperium support without constant threat of violence. As an aside, the 3rd Legion actually received the honor of bearing the Imperial Aquila as part of their Legion's standard after foiling an assassination attempt made on the Emperor at the cost of their own lives, which is why the Emperor held them in such high regard. But it is important to note that this happened BEFORE Fulgrim was rediscovered on Chemos and brought back to Terra. It should also be noted that, in an early display of vanity and hubris, Fulgrim commissioned a painting of himself receiving the Aquila from the Emperor personally as if he had been there and received the honor directly from the Emperor himself. Granted, Fulgrim didn't technically lie about the events and probably considered the painting symbolic of how his sons had earned him the honor of bearing the Emperor's personal symbol as his own, but it's quite telling how, even at his most innocent, Fulgrim still considered his Legion's accomplishments as his own even when he wasn't around.

I can't wait for Nux to discover Rylanor.

I can't wait for Nux to find out about the story of the Perfect Fulgrim Clone that is loyalist.

Baldermort has the best voice He's also a really cool guy

So cool to see you react to The Rememberancer.

While these lore deep dives are good, I belive the Ember kings videos are ones to consider checking out. The way they explain and narrate it keeps you engrossed in the story and there is plenty they give you to digest. Overall a channel worth checking out.

Right off the bat, Fulgrim proudly confessing his Imperial crimes.

Oh it just occurred to me, when you were talking about loyalty/perfection, that the Lion video didn't include his "LOYALTY IS ITS OWN REWARD" moment. Now that's heresy.

They didn't include how he not only betrayed his dad and brothers, but also sons. He, Horus, Morty and Angy all sent their Marines with loyalist inclinations to the sham operation on Istvaan III and virus bombed them. RIP Saul Tarvitz. Hearing Best Bro's last stand will hit you like the death of Kamina.

As in all thing perfection is a goal to be worked towards, but never to be obtained.

My favorite is still Conrad Kurze. Man was convinced free will doesn't exist, so betrayed the Emperor because he didn't think he had a choice.

I recommend amber king videos!! Rememerancer is awesome too, but amber king and warrior tier also now do a lot of voice work and pull from books for details 😊

Rogal Dorne by Baldemort is a must for Rogal dornes story. The longest second

After hearing nux saying ferrus manus was the goat, I can forgive any lore miss steps. I agree, ferrus manus is the goat.

Fulgrim, best primarch love the noise marines

It would be really fun to see Nux react to the full Tolkien Legendarium timeline. I think he'd enjoy it. Especially Sauron and Morgoth

PLEASE do Jaghatai Khan next, he's probably the most underrated of the primarchs imo, both irl and in lore.

So a daemon prince is almost like the fusion of a mortal and the essence of their patron god equal to a greater demon. They are intertwined into basically becoming a pseudo slave to the god directly but it comes with nonsensical power. Basically, as long as they follow the path their lord commands, they can do what they want... and also, because they're now a daemon themselves, the daemon princes are immortal as they will be reformed by their god when they die. In case Nux is wondering though, yes, there is a way to permakill daemons but it is HARD to do

Thank goodness you have moved on to some very decent LoreTubers.

37:56 i will need to point this out, Fulgrim was dominating the fight and trying his best you force his brother to join him and horus as he couldn't bring himself to kill his bro, the blade didn't care and took control over his arm and decapitated his brother, then the rest of the event played out with the demon getting a new sexy body

The gurren lagan reference blew my mind, i never made that connection🤯

Love it..and now Its time for the Iron warriors and mr Peter turbo my favorite traitor legion ..

Lion El'Jonson was not the Emperor's justice, that was Konrad Curze. The Lion was the emperor's strategic mind.

feels nice to be here so early

With nux reacting to every lore known to man he might as well react to the tf2 and l4d 1 & 2 lore.

This is dope bro more and more please

I'm hyped to see reaction for Peter Turbo since he should be up next. The angry petty autistic man child is by far my favorite primarch. AKA- The stubborn guy that gets stuff done

Good overview but there is another of the emperors children that is incredibly interesting. Fabius Bile chief apothecary is an unbelievably based Chad. He basically is this doctor Frankenstein archetype that decided to go rogue during the siege of terra. He's such a staunch atheist that daemons actually suffer pain being near him yet Slaneesh itself has stared him in the eyes and he called it mindless warp nonsense. Its been said he is considered a minor warp god and that all the chaos gods look at him with caution and fear

Haha, I just watched a Fulgrim video earlier today, also I wish we can get a Trayzn the Infinite reaction

Warhammer 40K has a very unique power system with two sides to it on one side you have genetics for a source of power for example space Marines and then on the other side you have warp based abilities that psychers use. Kind of like how One piece fastest devil fruits and haki and I think it's kind of interesting.

I said it once I'll say it again we ain't actually deep diving until we start luten09's videos

Nux I request you react to the Amber King and his Primarch series, he's the literal G.O.A.T of Primarch/Character specific lore. I recommend either: Magnus the Red, Primarch of the 15th Legion, the Thousand Sons (Sad, you will cry) Jaghtai Khan, Primarch of the 5th Legion, the White Scars (Super interesting, you'll love the the philosophical quandary) Konrad Curze, Primarch of the 8th Legion, the Night Lords (Might give a different view on the Primarchs and Emperor) I feel like the story arc, philosophical quandries on their mindsets and decesions and just the lore of these Primarchs you'll absolutely love. Enjoy, loving your fall down the rabbit hole Nux I request you react to the Amber King and his Primarch series, he's the literal G.O.A.T of Primarch/Character specific lore. I recommend either: Magnus the Red, Primarch of the 15th Legion, the Thousand Sons (Sad, you will cry) Jaghtai Khan, Primarch of the 5th Legion, the White Scars (Super interesting, you'll love the the philosophical quandary) Konrad Curze, Primarch of the 8th Legion, the Night Lords (Might give a different view on the Primarchs and Emperor) I feel like the story arc, philosophical quandries on their mindsets and decesions and just the lore of these Primarchs you'll absolutely love. Enjoy, loving your fall down the rabbit hole Nux I request you react to the Amber King and his Primarch series, he's the literal G.O.A.T of Primarch/Character specific lore. I recommend either: Magnus the Red, Primarch of the 15th Legion, the Thousand Sons (Sad, you will cry) Jaghtai Khan, Primarch of the 5th Legion, the White Scars (Super interesting, you'll love the the philosophical quandary) Konrad Curze, Primarch of the 8th Legion, the Night Lords (Might give a different view on the Primarchs and Emperor) I feel like the story arc, philosophical quandries on their mindsets and decesions and just the lore of these Primarchs you'll absolutely love. Enjoy, loving your fall down the rabbit hole

Everytime I think of the emperor’s children all I can think about is Rylanor the greatest of chads

I can’t wait until Nux learns about Traizen

29:00 Eldrad wasn't the leader of the Eldar in general, he was just arguably the most powerful single Eldar player alive and held a lot of sway within his Craftworld of Ulthwe (which overall is the most psychically powerful). The important thing is that he is the best at seeing into possible futures and the most active in the setting plot-wise. 41:09 Lorgar was thoroughly within the Chaos camp by this point, but he was enraged that a daemon was possessing Fulgrim because his vision of serving Chaos was meant to uplift and enlighten humanity into the dominant species in the galaxy by showing them the truth off the Universe and by working symbiotically with Chaos, not being slave to it. This was exemplified by the Gal Vorbak, elite Word Bearers who voluntarily allowed daemons into their body and merged with them to become more effective. 49:18 After the Heresy, the Emperor decreed that since the 3rd Legion had fallen to Chaos, the Space Marine legions who remained loyal would have the right to wear the Aquila, since they did what the Emperor's Children could not.

I can't wait till he gets to things like Rylanor. That has to be on a biggest 40k flexes list

Nux need to watch about *RYLANOR* and watch the music

Nux, I know that you’ve got Peter Turbo next but it might be interesting to check out a lion son of the forest video to understand 40k’s primarch situation