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100 Year Old Spindle Bearings

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The Joy of Precision

The Joy of Precision

Күн бұрын

A teardown, inspection, and reassembly of my Rivett lathe headstock. Along the way I decide to make a new spindle gear to replace the broken original one.
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@markhobster8113
@markhobster8113 Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for adding this, I have a very dirty version of the 8" and I was really scratching my head at how to remove the spindle !!
@CaskStrength777
@CaskStrength777 3 жыл бұрын
What a mechanically gorgeous lathe! I love the internal gearing on the spindle cone and geared passthrough shaft on the headstock, so elegant 😍
@CreaseysWorkshop
@CreaseysWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
What a beautifully made machine you have. You are both lucky to have found each other.
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
I think what you meant to say was "Get a room, you two!" 🤣 Thanks for watching John!
@FieryWaco
@FieryWaco 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Rivetts are industrial art pieces. I get so jealous.
@ActiveAtom
@ActiveAtom 5 жыл бұрын
Nice internal share of you lathe, we enjoyed coming along watching. Lance & Patrick.
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, guys!
@Watchyn_Yarwood
@Watchyn_Yarwood Жыл бұрын
We have been missing you for three years. I hope all is well and that we will see you again soon.
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision Жыл бұрын
Thanks! When the pandemic hit I spent all my shop time making parts for a local medical manufacturer, and that's stuff I wasn't allowed to show. We then ended up moving very far away, and the new house has been a lot of work. We have a nice barn here that will be my new shop and office, but it is far from usable yet. I thought about posting an update video that would be mostly me talking about all that, but previous videos of that nature were not very well received so I didn't bother. I'll definitely be back in due time though.
@Watchyn_Yarwood
@Watchyn_Yarwood Жыл бұрын
@@TheJoyofPrecision I certainly understand. That is a lot of adjustments to make in one's life. I very much look forward to your return to the Tube! Take care and I wish you and yours the very best and a very Merry Christmas!
@machiningbasics1729
@machiningbasics1729 Жыл бұрын
I’ve just found a rivett lathe and I’m in the process of buying it , I blame you !
@EmmaRitson
@EmmaRitson 5 жыл бұрын
very interesting as always . well done on the gear. good to see whats inside.
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much Emma! 🙂
@juanrivero8
@juanrivero8 5 жыл бұрын
Good to see you back, JOP. I was amazed at this video. Here we have a 100+ old lathe with cone bearings not only running but taking toolroom cuts. They must have had some heat treatment techniques that we have neglected. Of course in the 1920s Timken invented the tapered roller bearing and it was so good that people stopped using plain bearings. But to see a plain bearing hold up for a century is a real treat. And I too am about to use Canadian cutting oil. Breakfast in the shop. I too watch theogwheel :)
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Juan! You're right about heat treatment techniques, I read once that Rivett (and others) would quench their finest bearing steel into liquid mercury. Small wonder we don't do that today. 🙂
@juanrivero8
@juanrivero8 5 жыл бұрын
I blame it all on Timken for inventing the roller bearing :)
@aceroadholder2185
@aceroadholder2185 5 жыл бұрын
Automobile plain bearings regularly last 500,000 miles. As long as you keep them lubricated, don't overload them, and spin the spindle fast enough to maintain the oil film the spindle is riding on the bearings will last a very long time. Most plain bearing wear occurs at startup and this is hard on lathe bearings where start-stop is the normal operation of the machine.
@juanrivero8
@juanrivero8 5 жыл бұрын
True. Locomotive bearings had much the same performance. But the Timken bearings introduced the other factor: ease of maintenance, so the old #1111 loco became the industry standard for locos. In the world of watchmaker's lathes, plain bearings were standard until Foley (I think, may have been Rivett) introduced tapered bearings. Today nobody makes plain bearings on lathes, for same reason that Timken made its name with #1111. Ease of maintenance.
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
@@aceroadholder2185 fascinating! Are they still used? Commercial trucks maybe?
@warrenjones744
@warrenjones744 5 жыл бұрын
your a good guy Max tearing apart a perfectly working machine so others can learn. If you ever get sick of that lathe I know where there i a good home for it! I promise I will feed it and clean up after it 😊 BTW like the new JOP Logo, nicely done.
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks Warren!
@ROBRENZ
@ROBRENZ 5 жыл бұрын
Nicely done! enjoyed. ATB, Robin
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much Robin! 🙂
@dolata000
@dolata000 5 жыл бұрын
I am delirious with joy... MULTIPLE PENNY SIGHTINGS !!!
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
😂🤣 Thanks for watching, as always!!
@TomMakeHere
@TomMakeHere 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! It has worn well. Nothing like good oldschool engineering I'm a bit scared to look at my bearings after the damage caused by the previous owners
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
Haha yeah it's always a suspenseful moment the first time you look at some bearings on a used machine. Thanks for watching!
@Gavreeli
@Gavreeli 5 жыл бұрын
Very Cool! I look forward to more of your content.
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
And I look forward to disappointing you! 😂 Seriously though, thanks for watching!
@Gavreeli
@Gavreeli 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheJoyofPrecision Just keep doing what you're doing. You have a beautiful machine there.
@lohikarhu734
@lohikarhu734 3 жыл бұрын
Simply, Happy 2021, and, we hope you are doing well, ok, at minimum! Any idea if you will do some more videos, at some point?
@jerrythejitterbugcomicbook4098
@jerrythejitterbugcomicbook4098 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jerry!! I'll be back in the machining-video-saddle again before long. Are you a home shop machinist at all? You strike me as the type.
@glennfelpel9785
@glennfelpel9785 5 жыл бұрын
Very well done! Sure do appreciate seeing the inners of an old machine. I have a Stark but not nearly so old yet there are many similar features with it. Thank you.
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
Those old Starks are wonderful machines! Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it.
@chrisstephens6673
@chrisstephens6673 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting but I'm glad I have a modern lathe, when I say modern it's coming up for its 60th birthday but still runs true.
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
It's amazing how long a well made machine will hold up and still produce good work 🙂 Thanks for watching!
@jessestrum
@jessestrum 3 жыл бұрын
a rivett lathe was advertised on tony,s lathes for £1250 last week
@lexvoortz2213
@lexvoortz2213 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing all this. You sure have my sincere appreciation. Is the runout of the headstock adjustable ? I can imagine the conical bearings to tighten up if the axial preload is adjusted. Im just missing how rivett solved this.
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! If I understand your question, then the answer is it's solved by bearing angle and surface area (of which there is much) combined with a film of the appropriate oil type. I imagine the angle of the bearing taper also plays a crucial role. Take note of that double angle taper on the front bearing - the steeper angle toward the nose is probably key to preventing binding under axial load during cutting. Of course both angles must be lapped together perfectly for this to arrangement to work. It's no wonder these machines cost as much as a house when they were new.
@jamesjakowyszyn7032
@jamesjakowyszyn7032 2 жыл бұрын
Hey! How come there haven’t been any videos recently? Hope all is okay!
@panchovilla1486
@panchovilla1486 4 жыл бұрын
Great video
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much!
@jimmyhawkins7696
@jimmyhawkins7696 3 жыл бұрын
I have one that is Rivett same as yours but it is in bad shape. I will be trying to rebuild it soon. Any suggestions
@peirob
@peirob 5 жыл бұрын
Nice report. I'm not sure to have captured the brand name of this lathe. Where was it manufactured? It is very nicely engineered (at least for the spindle). And that's really great to see that such vintage lathe can still machine precise mechanical components.
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Pierre, thanks for watching! The lathe was manufactured by Rivett, in Boston. They were arguably the finest precision bench top lathes money could buy, back then.
@peirob
@peirob 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheJoyofPrecision Clear now. I thought that rivett spindles were a kind of spindle technology! Thanks and acknowledgements for your great channel.
@wayneacaron8744
@wayneacaron8744 5 жыл бұрын
that lathe intregues me. two compounds? rotating tool holder?? please, i must see more!!!! poppy
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Poppy, thanks for watching! The lathe has only one compound. The tool holder was Rivett's patented design and is only found on some Rivett and Hjorth lathes. The lathe is shown in most of my videos, if you want to see more of it in action.
@hardcase1659
@hardcase1659 5 жыл бұрын
Would you mind telling me what kind of milling machine you have and especially your opinion on it.
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
My pleasure! It's the LittleMachineShop Hi-Torque Mini Mill. For general work of smaller size, it's good - I think it's one of the better import mill/drills of this size, it really is small. If you can accommodate something like a used Bridgeport or Burke, then absolutely get one of those instead, if they aren't overpriced in your region. If you have the space constraint, as I do, then it's hard to beat one of these for the price. Of course a watchmaker size Sixis, Aciera, or Schaublin, would be far superior - but also 4-5 times the cost. I like the LMS version because it has larger base and table castings, with more x and y travel, has R8 spindle, has belt-drive spindle, has variable speed brushless DC drive & motor, has dovetailed column, and a fixed (non-pivoting) base. At the time (several years ago), some of those were features not offered on other import mill/drills - now you can find several companies selling these SIEG-based mills with most or all of those same features. The only thing I really dislike about it is the fine downfeed for the Z axis. It's a rather sloppy worm drive so there's a lot of backlash - it doesn't hurt anything, but it does let the rest of the machine down. The tram spec was something like 0.005", which is already a lot, but even then mine was out of spec. I used Stefan's copper wire & epoxy technique to get it trammed in. Typical of sliding dovetails on cheap import machine tools, the gib tension has to be tweaked as you move to different areas of travel. A weekend of crude scraping on it would probably go a long way.
@johnreese3943
@johnreese3943 5 жыл бұрын
Your Canadian cutting oil kinda resembles bacon grease.
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
Astute observation!
@1967Twotone
@1967Twotone 5 жыл бұрын
Nice job. So what exactly is Canadian cutting oil??
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Haha, Canadian cutting oil is bacon grease. Little running gag between Justin and I, from the podcast. 🙂
@aceroadholder2185
@aceroadholder2185 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheJoyofPrecision Back when I started in the shop 55 years ago, they used bacon grease. It actually works well, especially tapping cold rolled steel... but on a cold morning the shop smelled like bacon and eggs from the smoke and I'd be starving! Cheers from NC/USA
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 5 жыл бұрын
@@aceroadholder2185 lol! It really does work well 🙂
@vicosee4439
@vicosee4439 4 жыл бұрын
How do you know the bild date
@TheJoyofPrecision
@TheJoyofPrecision 4 жыл бұрын
On all 608s, and 8" Precisions like mine, it is scratched into the rear of the name plate on the carriage, by Mr. Higgins, Rivett's master scraping hand.
@jessestrum
@jessestrum 3 жыл бұрын
hi max i,ve been trying to sign up for your patreon site without sucsess can you help
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