Rip doggo. Take as long as you need. Happy Christmas.

Of course it had to be about me. Have a Merry Sithmas, my friend.

My condolences for your dog. Take as long as you need.

Merry Christmas Luke!

This video gave me the truth behind my favorite line from Revan: "I am Revan reborn! And before me, you are nothing!" In my book, Revan is not truly redeemed until his rescue by Meetra Surik, and like you said, Revan's redemption is never truly completed. That's what makes him my favorite character after Anakin/Vader, because Revan made his own choices, and he chose to change. Anakin, on the other hand, was the Chosen One, and that is what forced him to become what he ultimately did.

hahaha, pretty much.

Revan can't be redeemed, because Revan never fell

A good way of putting it!

Well said he did what was necessary for the galaxy. He became Sith to unite the galaxy against the true Sith for example

@@aamirrazak3467 This was a flawed approach. The reason that his approach was wrong was because he did not trust the force and the triumph of light over dark.

There's nothing more dangerous than than someone trying to act for the greater good.” - James Patterson

@@shivaramoutar5333 maybe it was flawed, but he mainly didn't trust the jedi council and their desire or willingness to intervene in the conflict and protect the republic and its citizens. I am not sure if you can say for sure he didn't trust in the will of the force

The Jedi are fools as always.

I would say that's a more accurate view yes. He was corrupted, but chose it willingly.

I agree, it was a beautiful moment to me. As his overly pragmatic 'ends justify the means' side realises that not only did that strategy not work, the lack of humanity in that approach did more damage than good. The doubt he shows that he might be beyond resemption is quite powerful. It pains me that it was only a short cutscene. Of course he appeared again in the final battle agains the Emperor but that didn't do much for me.

I would've rather have him live and get revenge from Emperor to get some kind of bitter sweet ending where he get to live normal life after destruction of Emperor His family is kinda gone due to him being immortal because of Emperor(like Scourge who lost his immortality when Emperor was killed) but;Galaxy would've lived on without him and he would've get to actually live for himself instead of doing bidding of Jedi or Sith and perhaps as player we couldve see his one last moment of hapiness and bid farewell to him and our history with Kotor. That would've been a better epilogue for a character thats been controlled and beloved by gaming world

I hated Revan in the MMO it was such a mess for his story.

​@@idleishde6124 I agree, it's just dumb... cliché and dumb

I can definitely see why you'd view it that way. There is certainly a redemptive quality to the story for sure, but an redemtion arc... not so much. He can choose not to revert back to his old ways, but at that point in the story he's almost an entirely different person. For example - If you commited murder, and then I used magic to scramble your brain and literally turn you into someone new. Is that new version of you responsible for the murder and should they be punished? And if that new you chooses to be a good person, despite learning about the old you... are they redeemed? I don't think so. You have to think of KOTOR Revan, and Pre-KOTOR as two entirely different people until the events of the end of the Revan Novel.

@@100StarWars Question: How long is the game in universe? Do the events last a year, a month, a week?

100% Star Wars. "if that new you chooses to be a good person, despite learning about the old you... are they redeemed?" I would argue yes, a person's mental state doesn't change what they've done in the past, if they still have the ability to choose good or evil and they chose good despite what they've done before, that redeems them; especially if they get their memories back. However, I'm still not convinced any of this really applies to Revan; I've only played the KOTOR games and so far I'm almost inclined to think the Revan from SWTOR and the books doesn't fit the characterization of the Revan from the OG games. The KOTOR games don't give us enough of a reason to say that Revan was truly evil for his actions, quite the opposite in fact, he found some unspecified evil he knew the galaxy wouldn't be able to resist in it's state at the time, so he took the necessary actions to make it able to fight back. Seems to me he was doing what was right from the beginning, no redemption was necessary. BTW, I've got no great love for the Jedi council, but I'd argue using an amnesiac Revan to defeat Malak and his empire is justified. Malak's empire was too powerful for the Republic and the Jedi to defeat on their own, from their perspective they needed to find the Star Forge and stop the enemy at its source. Doesn't make all their other crap right though.

@@100StarWars ​ > "Is that new version of you responsible for the murder and should they be punished?" I propose this question to you: if your past experiences, knowledge, and choices were suddenly erased from your mind, would you become a different person from who you are right now? Post-edit: In fact, did you notice after defeating Malak, he asks you what would have happened if his and Revan's situations were reversed?

​@@100StarWarsthe problem with your argument is that he eventually regains his old memories and still decides to stay on the side of good. So your entire point becomes null anyway.

Thank you.

Indeed, let us hope! Merry Christmas!

@@100StarWars Merry Christmas Luke, and a happy new year.

Redemption is a choice, and having your personality altered and being used as a slave by the Jedi ( let's be honest what the jedi did was slavery) was not a choice he was forced.

@@samwilsoncaptainamerica233 But he did choose. Not when we was captured and reprogrammed, but when he said no to Bastila. The woman he loved was handing him freedom, power, and a chance to be with her, and he said no. I don't think it was because of the Jedi that he said no, because he already rebelled against them by falling in love with Bastila. Even though he didn't have his memories, he still had the choice.

@@hartfartpoptart He didn't choose. The new personality created by the Jedi is who made that choice. Let's say you lost your memories, and some time after that someone had you sign a legally binding contract. Now later you regain your memories, would you have a case in court to get out of that contract because it was not you who signed that paper? It was your body that held the pen, it was your name that's on that contract, but was it you who made that decision?

@@asraarradon4115 The existence of the dark side route in the game proves that it was a choice- in canon he makes the choice he does, but it was entirely possible that he could have made a different choice

Thank you, Merry Christmas to you too my friend.

I lost my dog, Kojack, 9 years ago. Please take care and do what you need to do. Merry Christmas. Your community is with you and May the Force be with you, too.

LOL

I appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment! And thank you for your kind words, it means a lot

Thank you my friend, happy new year!

Enjoy!

I hope you're well, Wyatt. I'm glad I could offer some comfort. And thank you, happy holidays to you too!

Totally agreed about the Revan novel mishandling things

I don't read so I don't know if this book came first or not but as the player in Kotor, either ending ie, you become such an overwhelming presence in the galaxy, and the makers of game 2 didn't want to tell THAT story and already had the tsl premise so I figured they just half-assed a way to remove Revan so they can tell tsls story. As the player character, there's no way Revan does something so stupid like go after vitiate alone AGAIN.

@@akale2620 the premise is sound, Revan goes looking for the emperor because he doesn’t know what he found after losing his memories. But the execution, the storyline and final product of the novel which came after TSL is deeply flawed.

@@lifelessperson1993 revan got his memory back after he learnt that HE is Revan.

@@akale2620 not everything, not before Bastila returned his mask to him through the Exile.

Thank you, Erkan!

@@100StarWars You're welcome! Merry Christmas and a happy new year 2023!

Thank you, Brian!

Thank you, happy holidays!

@@100StarWars Happy Holidays to you too

I'm really glad my content can bring you some peace. Happy new year.

Thank you, William. Happy new year to you also!

Likewise my friend, happy holidays.

You too, Casey! Your name is a nice memory, because I often called my dog by the nickname of Wiggins haha.

That is pretty cool. How did you come up with that for a nickname?

Thanks Paul.

Yep, was a good little touch.

Happy new year to you too!

Thanks Luis!

Thanks Corey

My condolences. I wish you a good new year!

Thanks Jaron.

I'm so sorry, my condolences.

The biggest misconception of Revan's character is that he didn't fall to the Dark Side. He absolutely did. The Dark side IS corruption. You cannot utilise the Dark Side without being corrupted to some extent. But, one can be aware of their own corruption, and Revan was totally aware - he chose to embrace the corruption, and used it as tool for the greater good. As Kreia says: He sacrificed himself. But, he was not above the Dark Side, and did some terrible things while corrupted in the name of noble conquest. And those terrible things, are what constitutes his 'redemption' in the eyes of the games and the characters within the games too.

@@100StarWars here is the thing like luke on the EU also used the the darkside and “Fallen” to it when under the emperor in dark empire yet he still used the darkside and beat the emperor even teaching his new Jedi order the darkside to better understand it to not be corrupted by it but only those with strong morals would By the same logic revan is in the same position luke was in the Eu in dark empire he “fallen” to the darkside to better understand it and to fight their respective emperors Aka revan may have “fallen” per say to the darkside but was never truly influenced by it nor was Luke in the Eu Revan choose his path not because he was influenced by the darkside he choose to use it regardless to do what he did for the supposed right reasons he didn’t let it get to his head like anakin who thinks he is unstoppable and can do what ever he wants like how he was on musifar It’s a major fact revan as a character never was truly evil even as darth revan nor was his goal absolute power he understood the force and knew what had to be done he just embraced the idea he would have to take lives to save more, he did what he did to understand the sith to better combat them Again similar to Luke in the EU both luke and revan come to treat the force light and dark as a single entity and must do dark things even use the darkside to do good As the darkside isn’t evil by nature It offers great power And power can corrupt people if they don’t have a strong moral foundation Is the same logic with any power The power itself isn’t evil but not every person should have such power given they would want to crave more an corrupted by how much they can have Evil people are attracted to the darkside but not all that use the darkside are evil nor is the darkside’s only function evil It’s all about knowing how much to use and for what reasons To prove the point home Revan when he lost his memory’s could have easily stepped up back to take his title as a sith even experiencing the darkside again first hand and had influences from his memory telling him to do so Yet he didn’t He didn’t take what a supposed person influenced by the darkside would choose even if he he lost his memories and if the events in kotor rain true revan did enough darkside thing and lightside to have picked either Ending to the game Implying despite the fact he had the most desirable temptation imaginable absolute power and authority overall who follow and could rule the galaxy with the Star forge, and use the darkside which he did in the game a lot even in the canon story he choose not to in order to save lives Again this goes in line with revan’s character he will go to ware against the Jedi’s wishes to save the galaxy from a threat He would try to take over the galaxy to prepare it to fight against the true sith to save it He would turn against his own army and apprentice if it means saving lives He would leave his wife and unborn child to protect them and all the galaxy to try and fight the sith again And he would sacrifice his own well being against the sith for 300 years to by them enough time to fight them And even in the mmo even thou he gone somewhat insane and wasn’t given time to recover he still had that mentality If Revan truly was ever corrupted or influenced by the dark a much worse outcome would have happened I think revan never was redeemed cause he never asked for it cause to him what he did was actually necessary Even the force itself will demand genocide and death to bring balance to the force So it’s not like killing people alone is a bad thing As there is a difference between murder and killing someone for the greater good or even in self defense Basically you would have to argue that what revan did was unnecessary And somehow show what he did could have been done better under the circumstances Aka once he broken out from under the sith emperor like the outlander You have to argue why he didn’t go back to the light or the Jedi or even just try to anything else That can be an idea for a video As if you want to prove that Revan did technically fall and was influenced by the dark you and was never truly redeemed you have to show that what he did as darth Revan using the Star forge and trying ti control the galaxy was in a way unjustified to delay the sith Ps it is kinda confirmed that revan’s actions did actually delay the sith even in the novel the Sith didn’t even want ti make a move after the events of kotor 1 or even when revan has the star forge Again I recommend you do a video on this subject as to truly prove revan did fall and wasn’t truly redeemed you have to break down all the events and show if it was unjustified for revan as a sith to do what he did to fight or delay the sith empireq

Merry Christmas!

Treasure him. Happy new year!

@@100StarWars I always have and always will! Happy new year to you!!

Thank you, Lollo.

Thank you for watching

Wow, quite the compliment. Thank you!

@@100StarWars I mean it. Revan is my favorite character and honestly I couldn’t imagine how to deep into his mind more than everything that has been done before. He’s just so fascinating. And even before the start of your video I was like « indeed, did he really change with his corruption, then his memory alteration or was he deep inside always true to himself? ». For me he indeed hadn’t endured ups and downs (in the spectrum of the Force) but a more eroded, steady and linear point of view of how he felt himself. But you went even more deep than that and I respect you very much. It was like attending a psychology class ^^. The fact that he maybe wasn’t just true to himself and was really changed by the corruption of the dark side, although he was wishful for it, was really interesting. But even more the idea that the Jedi molded him into a character that pressed himself to fight Malak, even after the revelation to himself, making him a slave to the Jedi, is groundbreaking. Never heard of that point of view. Kreia hoping that that wasn’t the case because she was terrified even her best student (so far) could be enslaved by the Force. And that finally these two personalities had to live together when his memory finally resurfaced gives credit to the SWTOR perception of Revan. Yes, you managed to give a New approach to a character that underwent so many analysises by your fellow KZfaqrs. And I say bravo. In the end, I, like Kreia, hopes Revan was always capable of discernement, but I really like the idea that his story is maybe as tragic as Anakin’s and that he’s also a pawn of the Force.

Thank you! I understand things are tough, but I believe in you - keep up the good fight.

My condolences.

@@100StarWars thanks

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