10:25 "If this thing were an inch longer it would make a world of difference" - Jimmy 2024

I will never stop loving how these #10MinuteTalk video are 30 minutes long.

Someone finally said it! Bolt action 5.7x28 for the win. I’m dying for one. I want to see Ruger make one on their 77/22 action with an 18” or 20” barrel. I’d buy one as soon as it hits the market. They could make one with a walnut stock and blued steel and then another in a synthetic stock and stainless steel. Threaded from the factory, 6-8 round rotary magazine. It would be amazing.

I can't be the only one to think that a compact, lightweight, accurate bolt rifle in 5.7x28 would make the ultimate

I carried my Ruger P85 for decades. Been eyeing the FN pistol in this caliber since it arrived, but the expense just didn't seem worth it. THEN Ruger introduced the Ruger 57, and I jumped on it! Been EDC'ing it for four years now, zero complaints (ONE minor hiccup with ONE magazine, which was replaced free of charge), and NOW have this lovely 'LC Carbine' to accompany it! For me it does everything 'I' need an EDC pkg. to do, and it is wonderful seeing the price for ammo continuing to drop! Great video gentlemen! Thank you!

I fell in love with 5.7x28 when i got my ps90. In truth my wife loved it more due to no recoil lol.

I really dig the lc carbine and the ruger 5.7 pistol, think they make a cool combo

I'm with you guys. I have always wanted one in a bolt gun. Something like a Howa mini. If Savage would make one in an action size of like the model 93.

I have been wanting a 5.7x28 bolt gun for years! I am still waiting to see the Hornady ammo become available.

I ran into these three years ago when a local gun store got a PS90 to sell, I was interested but, very unknowing about the 5.7 so researched it a little and was interested but not enough to spend $1350 at the gun store five miles across s state line from so I went to an in state store and bought a Ruger57 and really liked the pistol and was very impressed with the round so I went back and got the PS90, it was rapidly gaining popularity and had jumped to $1475 and I hurried up and snagged it, the guy I was dealing with told me I came just in time as he was supposed to up it again to $1600!

Not my area of interest, but I’ll take any chance to absorb Ryan knowledge. Great video!

Love you guys and all you do. I especially appreciated Mark this episode, incessantly asking why, why, why to Jimmy's statements in the beginning. I feel like those ended up being missed opportunities for a lot of great discussion on both the 5.7 and the pistol's reasonings and best applications. Keep up the 30min 10min talks! ❤

I'm digging that I really like the way that looks. To the point I'm thinking about getting one

Its odd how little info and review of Ruger LC charger are available on KZfaq. I think most people waiting for PSA 5.7 (MP7 at home) don't even realized that the charger version of Ruger LC exists.

30:13 This very much, with a couple modifications: (1) CZ shouldn't use their 600 platform as-is, instead they should scale the action down for PCC-only use (perhaps a downsized 600 Trail) no need for the added weight; and (2) reimplement the swappable bolt-face/barrel functionality on this PCC action (along with mag-well adapters) to allow hot-swapping to other pistol calibers (9mm, 45 acp, 10mm, 357 mag, etc). Though CZ couldn't get the barrel swaps to work with the full-power rifle cartridges safely, they did for their rimfires in the 457. Query whether a PCC version would be more like the latter than the former.

Loved it for years. Had the Fn pistol and love it

I have the LC Carbine. No recoil, great accuracy, and really fun. It’s also compact when folded and fits in a bag easily. Some claim that the safety is confused with the mag release but I do not understand that. I’ve never had anything close to that situation happen. Sig Romeo red dot and magnifier and a Strike Industries hand stop.

Great discussion and insight. I have a 5.7 pro and would like to expand on this system. Seems like a pretty good buy.

I like the idea of having a pistol in 5.7 because I can use the same bore tools as my AR. Been doing a lot of thinking on 5.7. I'm waiting for PSA to release the x5.7 before I buy either the lc charger or the x5.7.

I am very interested in this cartridge, yes please more.

I love my M&P 5.7 Runs like a dream It is silly how far you can accurately hit targets repeatedly I think 5.7 is having a renaissance. It just makes SO MUCH SENSE in a handgun when it comes to recoil and shots on target. I REALLY want to see a copper hot load like a Black Dragon Fang on that bear skull you all tested! If a 9mm is viable for bear defense... would a hot monolithic copper projectile do the job? Consider the fact of just how many rounds you can put on target at a farther distance. I think it needs to be tested!

I'm huge into PDW's, and its a neat platform but I prefer 9mm sub platform because the 9mm out performs 5.7mm.

Got myself my first Vortex scope and LOVE IT. Recently found your podcast and also LOVE IT. 😂🤘🏽

9:23 love the cameo from the doggo! Dang I'd love to work at vortex!

5.7 needs a bolt action format & a compact/subcompact pistol

I won’t compare the 5.7x28 on paper to the 22 WMR and act like there aren’t differences in velocity exc, but functionally they fill a similar role: A marginal defensive round (but a big step up from a 22lr), and a fun low recoil ranch gun that gives you performance out to about 125-150 yards. The big advantage the 5.7 has is better centerfire reliability and better velocity from shorter barrels. Its varmint and small game performance for me has not been good though for me, at least with the common loads available. The 27gr green tip zips through rabbits and coyotes without doing anything, leaving me with a wounded animal that isn’t dead, and unless you are at a pretty close range with the 40gr blue ballistics tip that loses velocity so quickly that it doesn’t fragment or expand beyond around 75-100 yards, in my experience.

"It's getting longer" 🤣 that's what she said

I do keep a PS 90, in my go bag I take with me all the time. I also picked up a 5.7 ruger pistol a couple years ago. It's very finiky to reload, the polymer coated cases get stuck, in the dies. I've reloaded thousands of rounds, had maybe 2 cases get stuck in all other cals I've reloaded. With the 5.7, I've had around a dozen with about 2k reloaded. I think it's just the polymer coating on the case. Which was a design feature to keep the case inside the chamber just long enough for the pressure to drop. The cleaning of the cases is also a special process over just regular tumbling.

The hand guard ; Same fitment on the carbine but to cut it, the holes don’t line up. It will end up looking like a hack job. In fact, I think that one anti-gun gun magazine did a piece on making an MP7 out of the LC Carbine, and it looked like they cut it with a hatchet. The barrel; This barrel length is nom. 200fps slower than the LC Carbine. The velocity loss happens to be at a critical node of punched hole terminal ballistic transitioning to “wound channel” terminal ballistic. Reloading; presently getting 2,900 fps out a 16” barrel with Longshot and 35gr bullets. Going to turn my own solids because LeHigh doesn’t market XTreme Penetrator bullets in the caliber. Magazines; The grip is too short for a man anyway, the Tandemcross extensions afford good purchase and a few more rounds. On Earth and carpeted floor, they do not come apart when dropped loaded. I will not try to break one on a hard floor. Other; Tandemcross trigger is okay. Sig MCX stock is far better in every way than Ruger’s stock. The gun is a tad heavy but the added barrel length and cleanliness is so much better feeding through the grip, for this caliber there is no other way. S&W’s roller delay system is superior if they end up making a carbine. Blood does not easily come out of the grip (you must wash it) and the grip makes your hand raw when shooting a lot.

We need a cartridge talk for the 6.8x51 vs 277 fury, and what lead balloon would be perfect to get a hybrid metal case upgrade.

I understand the 5.7x28 for Jimmy’s situation where nuisance critters around a farm need killin’. I was going to (and still will) suggest the relatively new Ruger LC 45 as a good, general purpose PCC option, especially if you are thinking subsonic. 230 grain 45 ACP is subsonic almost by definition. If you are going subsonic, a .452” diameter that weighs 230 grains is “better” than any 9mm or 5.7 projectile moving the same speed. The ammo is relatively cheap and available everywhere. The handguard is long enough to give you room for your support hand forward of the charging handle. (An angled fore grip helps me be consistent with where my left hand goes.) Glock 21 mags also are cheap and ubiquitous. The 16” barrel does make it longer, but it also eliminates regulatory uncertainties. Plus .45 ACP can benefit from the longer barrel. Recoil for the LC 45 is noticeable and a bit odd. It’s not “hard” but the bolt needed for .45 ACP blowback operation (especially +P which the LC 45 can handle) really is a chunky monkey. The initial push back is followed by the clunk of the bolt returning to battery. I just got mine so am not used to shooting it; however, it takes me longer to get back on target compared to a very lightweight AR-15. Still, it’s a hoot to shoot.

I would like to see a cartridge comparison of the 17 HMR and the 5.7x28mm both fired from a rifle. It seems like the 5.7 could be a good small game and varmet round out to 125-150 yards. Add that a recoil sensitive shooter might gain interest shooting, and it is chambered in available pistols...please do this cartridge talk.

I have a Ruger 57, which I love, but I can’t see the point of the LC. It’s basically a 57 with longer barrel and stock slapped on it. 5.7x28 is a great pistol cartridge in my opinion, but if you’re using a carbine or rifle you may as well just get something in 556. More powerful cartridge, more availability and much cheaper to shoot.

This is a level 3a armor defeater and thats about it, other wise its fun to shot, but in a pistol its not at its greatest in my personal opinion, its should be in a pcc configuration for its most usefulness. Diamond back seems to be the best so far, the twin piston aids in delay so the shoulder doesnt blow a 1/16 to an 1/8 inch forward so reloading is better, plus you can lose the coating and the diamond back still runs it just fine.

At 1 point in time, savage did make a model 25 in 5.7 by 28. Unfortunately, it's been discontinued. I think if they were made it it would kill the twenty two hornet

I’ve been on the fence about building one of these out. I am now convinced to do so lol great video

Savage had the 25 model in 5.7 for awhile but they discontinued it.

Ive been looking at the full barrel model but that thing is wicked. You guys always drop a video about what i hunting for.

Kns precision has a extended hand stop that just snaps in front for 30 bucks made all the difference on mine

Shooting with a folded stock: if a gun is marketed or used as a PDW then it has to do PDW things. One thing PDWs are good for is being deployed in a vehicle or quickly deployed from a bag. If deployed from a bag a concern is how quickly the gun can get into action, can you draw the gun as a reaction to a threat and fire it quickly or is there some assembly required. Inside a vehicle its nice to have the stock folded as it helps one manuver and carry one. If the gun can only fire with the stock deployed then it offers little benefit over a compact AR in that regard.

Video request: Big bore Revolvers such 460s&w mag hunting , scopes, 460s&w, practicality, possible truck gun might i say? Mark you crack me up! 😂

5.7 is a cool round, but on the next 10 minute talk the best cartridge, the almighty 340 weatheby magnum

I got this same format with the collapsible brace 6 months ago----- It is the only 5.7 pistol that actually makes sense---as it gives you soft armor penetration out to 10 meters with FN correct ammo----anything in a shorter barrel acts like a 9 against armor

Addition possibility for longer handguard is to get the handguard for the LC Carbine and cut it down. I can't image they mount different. Biggest thing would be photo comparison of where the mlok slots fall and how that would align with a cut.

The ARMSCOR/RIA 22TCM would have been competion for the 5.7x28 if ARMSCOR/RIA had not kept the 22TCM proprietary... RIA made their own 1911 22TCM/9mm combo using the 9mm magazine for both, a Glock conversion kit which uses the 9mm magazine and RIA made a 22TCM bolt action rifle. ARMSCOR/RIA made an unwise business decision to keep it proprietary and not release the specs to SAAMI. The 5.7x28 is now gaining in availability and poularity! I would love to see more pistol and rifle offerings for 5.7x28!

I added a rail section on the bottom and a magpul AFG which gave me a better purchase.

Doing get me wrong- I LOVE my 5.7 but, seems to me, like it’s the center fired big brother to the .17wsm rimfire. lol

I would like a 16" "preferably shorter FUatf" 5.7 bolt action! Why isn't there one out there?! 😂 I'm not a 5.7 fan boy but if I seen one in a bolt action I would buy one for an awesome critter gitter!

That would be a super fun round out of a lever action if it could be done, great chat fellas, cheers Yogi 🤙✌️🇦🇺

That kns hand guard works well

I have been wanting a 5.7x28 micro bolt action for several years. Something the size of the Savage rascal with a micro chassis that uses a folding stock. A 10" - 12" sbr model would be good too.

Hunting partner has the 16" version and man that paired with vmax rounds is devastating on woodchucks

Handguards 1 inch shorter than the barrel are king ❤😂

Jim is thinking of it as a handy anti-vermin gun and that is probably the most sensible role. (We can’t get the good ammo for defensive purposes.)

I would be interested in seeing a 10 minute talk on the Hornady Superformance line. I hunt with a Rem 700 Classic from 1988 chambered in 35 Whelen. I believe it has a 22 inch barrel and I’m wondering if there is an advantage to shooting superformance ammo? Are they able to produce faster speeds by using slower burning powder that peaks longer compared to Nosler, Remington, and Barnes?

Would love to see the cz trail in this caliber.

Very cool Ruger! Why don’t manufacturers offer bolt-action rifles chambered in 5.7?

Thanks for another fun video guys! I love the idea of a 5.7 bolt gun too* with a caveat. Personally, I find the increasing trend of switchbarrel systems beyond ARs tremendous. Idea: A 5.7 bolt gun (or any action) with an additional 9mm barrel and requisite magazine adapter.

My fellows be careful reloading that lil jewel, clean it by hand with mild soap so you dont knock the coating off, and lube the crap out of it when you size it, and 3 to 4 loads then throw it out. Powder specs are like 0.5 grain difference, not alot of room to play with.

IMHO, we the American gun market are REALLY blowing it on this. The 5.7 is not enough to be a useful swiss army knife. The 10mm, 357 mag and the 30 carbine are MUCH closer to being truly useful. Perhaps the 30 supercarry, 7.62x25 and 7.5 fk brno would be a decent alternatives, but are either too rare or slightly inadequate. IMHO, an up-pressured 30 carbine with a shoulder and 6mm bullet would be GREAT. Or the 9x25 dillon. Or a sliggtly shortened 300 blk case with smaller bullets, maybe 7mm. A true PDW round that isnt just meant to pen 90s soft armor in 50 round mags with full auto... but a versatile semi auto round that shines in 6-10" bbls, and has real a$$ behind it, but the mag fits in the grip.

How has everyone forgot about the 22 TCM?

Hand stop ? Or slant pistol grip sense it can't be 90° with out the AFT shooting your pouch

What would be even cooler is if ruger would chamber the 77/357 bolt gun in 256 win mag. Twisted for the 75gr vmax

I got one of the ar57 uppers and it is thumpy, fun round to rip on minus one mag being 30 bucks...

Pretty cool little blaster

I would like to see a 556 necked down to 556x28 and to see how it works and what do y'all think of doing something like this ??????

Might be worth looking into the Ruger LC Carbine. It has the 16 inch barrel with the full length handguard. I'm curious if there is any cross compatibility with the handguards or if it would be possible to chop down that handguard.

Lc carbine in 30 carbine would be cool

Ok 5.7 was not just a trend or Fad cartridge that died. I think the patent finally ran out on the 5.7 under FN. For decades the 5.7 was only available from FN as were guns, to my knowledge. It was always astronomically priced ammo, and guns were expensive as well imho. Now that its out in the wild, we have Ruger, Palmetto, S&W, FN, etc all making 5.7 and many ammo makers now making ammo. All in just a couple years! I researched 5.7 and 22TCM years ago and bought the 22TCM doublestack 1911 pistol because it is USA brass cased, a 223 Remington based case, same 40 grain bullet, and MUCH lower cost. It was 2000-2100 fps! (a bit faster than the 5.7) for pennies a round. Unfortunately RIA has held onto 22TCM just like FN did with 5.7 for 45 years, and they wont even get it SAMMI certified, so the only source for cases or ammo is Armsor. Yes, they make nice brass or nickel plated rounds and its cheap! However there wont be other gun makers or ammo suppliers. Both are great, but it just shows what poor business decisions have affected both of these similar rounds and kept them bottled up for decades until recently. This is why monopolies suck for consumers! BTW, RIA makes a couple different 22TCM Bolt guns! Also a United States patent application for the 5.7's projectile design used in the SS90 was filed by FN's Jean-Paul Denis and Marc Neuforge in 1989. U.S. Patent 5,012,743 ("High-Performance Projectile") was received in 1991. I believe that is the naughty projectile that we citizens are not allowed to have in the US (which is also ridiculous.)

Savage made a bolt gun in 5.7. They quit a few years ago

I’ve heard, haven’t tried, that this is a real hard cartridge to reload for. If that’s true it is a real hard sell to me.

Tell Ryan that there is a rem 7600 carbine 30-06 at little crow. I know hes mentioned that model on podcasts in the past.

2:44 the "baby 5.56" is the 221 fireball.

2:32 It's like an anemic .22 hornet in a stumpy package, so a 22 HSM

Didn't Savage make a bolt gun in 5.7x28?

How would the 5.7 compare to the 22 Hornet?

I wonder if someone could make a replacement charging handle that has almost like a cantilever to move the handle itself rearward or upward like a kagworks raised glock slide release.

Will you do a 45 colt review??

Please do 6.5 grendel vs 6arc.....

It has to be hand loaded it’s to costly to load by machine I hope the price come down cause ammo is high

5.7x28 is not a great cartridge for self defense. It is very reliant on speed due to its light bullet weight. It’s penetration ability is not great which makes it even worse because it’s knock down power is far less than a 9mm. Ammo is becoming more affordable but what does this offer that 556 or 9mm doesn’t already offer? Both of those calibers are far more common with more capability. 300 blk is also better than 5.7x28.

Did Ryan say the mp7 fires a “4.6x33”? Did we just get a cartridge mistake from Ryan the reloading messiah? Yeah he meant 4.6x30 but Ryan doesn’t make mistakes. He’s like our version of Zuckerberg, he’s not human. He doesn’t make mistakes.

Isn’t the recent growth in popularity of chamberings and ammunition production due to some patents by FN expiring?

I thought about a 5.7 bolt gun. It took me about 10 seconds before I said, "I already have a 6.5 Grendel"

10 minute talk... takes 35 minutes...

A cricket 5.7!

If the civilian crowd that is poo pooing the 5.7 could see the "LE/Military Only" 27gr black tip, they would fall silent. The 5.7x28 was originally developed to replace the 9mm. I have personal experience actually using this round in an "Official" capacity. The 27gr black tip starts to tumble after 2in of penetration. The velocity of this round is also hundreds of FPS faster than the fastest civilian loading. It leaves a devastating wound chanal. It doesn't matter if its bare skin or soft body armor, it tumbles after 2in. In CQB scenarios with torso hits, not a single bullet exited the body. In the LE world, that is golden. With the pistol it will penetrate soft body armor out to 50 meters. In the P90, the soft armor penetration extends to 200 meters. So, I believe it does a great job replaceing the 9mm.

14" suppressed CZ or Howa bolt action would be awesome raccoon and crow medicine!!!

Think they call that paddle release sparky ..

Bullpup bolt action PCC?

Aw yea

What are the current length requirements for braced pistols listed? I can't find anything recent about measuring one.

I'm upset they didn't introduce us to the puppers wandering around the studio

HERES A COMPARISON - its a 9mm in a pcc that defeats some body armor

Tisas just dropped a 320$ 5.7 pistol to ..

As I've said the PS90 is the funnest boring gun you'll shoot.

I wish they would discontinue the PC charger and rechamber the LC charger in 9 mm, the PC charger is so damn ugly. Love the looks of the lc!!

Bolt action, lightweight, short and takes P90 mags. Someone needs to make it happen.

I've deliberating that same gun for the same purpose. Why did you chose the pistol over the carbine?

5.7 doesn’t even do what 5.7 was designed to do. 5.7 and 4.6 should both go the way of the dodo. In other videos that drove into its terminal performance it sounds like agencies that have fielded it have been less than satisfied.