10R80 CDF Drum Failure

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10R80 CDF Drum Failure

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Automatic Transmission

Күн бұрын

10R80 CDF drum with a very common issue.

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@AutomaticTransmission 2 жыл бұрын

I have something in mind to repair and correct the issue. Once I gather what I need I'll post part 2.

@mattc7981 2 жыл бұрын

Any updates? TIA

@covid-20lit41 Жыл бұрын

Stake the bushing. Lol

@lennellsorrels6222 Жыл бұрын

Hello I have seen some of your auto repair videos I want to know do you repair the transmission body valve I have a 2006 infinite g35 x the car driver but want shift correctly and my check engine light is on the code reads transmission body valve solenoid

@abisaizurita4776 Жыл бұрын

No te olvides del canal en español saludos desde México

@alanmcclelland5245 Жыл бұрын

What where the symptoms of this transmission? Missing shifts, flaring, hard shifting ?

@NextGenDrivetrainInc Жыл бұрын

We’re in the process of inventing a repair kit for this problem for the 10R140 and soon after the 10R80. It’s allows you to snap ring the bushing in place, very cheap. We should have it live soon.

@champinsoccer9 9 ай бұрын

hello. any progress since you commented?

@100pyatt 5 ай бұрын

I'm guessing this is BD diesel because I just seen you're offering this fix for the problem

@NextGenDrivetrainInc 5 ай бұрын

No, we have no relationship with BD diesel. And yes, our updated drum has been out for over a year now.

@zachvaughn298 4 ай бұрын

@@NextGenDrivetrainInchaving to replace mine rn at 91k

@miggiegutierrez4043 2 жыл бұрын

Hiram inspired me to get in to transmissions and now I build these transmissions daily for a ford dealer I work for. Keep up the good work Hiram cause theres a lot of transmission guys out there that are quick to just replace instead of repairing a bad transmission. I do believe Ford is working on redesigning this drum tho.

@AutomaticTransmission 2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad to hear that Ford might be working on updating the drum. Downside is you guys will see it before we do. But it's actually good news for everyone. Changing the subject; you that works as a dealer tech can confirm the myth that everyone says "But it only has 80,000 miles, it can't be bad already..." What's the lowest mileage you've seen in one of these? Including reflash for Drive ability issues. Or any vehicle you guys work on. I'm glad you chose transmission repair it's kind of interesting and sometimes challenging.

@miggiegutierrez4043 2 жыл бұрын

@@AutomaticTransmission As soon as I find anything on the updated drum I will update you guys. I have seen damaged drums with miles as low as 40k, as a matter fact I just did a navigator this week with 43k miles. I have also seen 10R60 with 12k miles with cluth A retaining ring busting off.

@FullOnPbod Жыл бұрын

@@AutomaticTransmission Just had mine done under warranty. 2020 3.5L Eco, 49k miles. 8 weeks at the dealer. Receipt confirms updated hub, JL3Z-7H351-B.

@MetalCreations1 Жыл бұрын

I am trying to get this repaired now in my Tahoe with a 6.2 10L80 they had it for a month and then they tell me the parts were checked in but are lost…. Still waiting . I am so happy you made this video! Thank you!

@thomasemmons3386 Жыл бұрын

Just had my 10spd 10r80 rebuilt. Same exact issue. I hope Ford addresses this. Thanks for sharing

@michaelun87 2 жыл бұрын

This is a common issues with these units I work at a ford dealership we just replace the drum and also the e clutch drum tends to get scorn. You can move the sleeve back Into place but it will move again I had a few return after installing a new drum so it’s a flawed design, hopefully the aftermarket can come up with a solution. Plus ford has those drums on back order so good luck

@iMurk903 9 ай бұрын

What does it do when it's bad? I have a weird noise coming from transmission area. Almost like a growl/whine. Could be unrelated

@MrSamPhoenix 7 ай бұрын

I remember watching this guy’s videos on Honda Transmissions back in the day. Good work as always

@Aintright890 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for taking your time to provide quality content!

@AutomaticTransmission 2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome

@raphaelramirez3081 2 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy your videos. I’m currently working with these 10 speed trans and I’m seeing the sleeve move on higher mileage vehicles mostly. Lower mileage or more city driven seems to be holding up. I believe 7H351 CDF DRUM will be updated with new part from Ford. Upcoming TSB

@AutomaticTransmission 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear that. Thanks.

@wernerkeggenhoff2065 Жыл бұрын

do you know if TSB out for this yet. Hving this issue 2018 f150. 152,000 km Hard upshift downshift 7-8 and hard downshift 5-4. Local trans shop saying $4000 to repair

@raphaelramirez3081 Жыл бұрын

@@wernerkeggenhoff2065 Tsb 22-2428 came out May 29-2023

@100pyatt 5 ай бұрын

@@raphaelramirez3081is there a recall yet on this defect ?

@raphaelramirez3081 5 ай бұрын

@@100pyatt no recall only tsb only so only covered under Powertrain warranty.

@zaneturner4478 2 жыл бұрын

Transmission are getting to be more and more complex. I quit working on them not long after the 700r4 and such came out.

@jaws131638 Жыл бұрын

For removing the F clutch piston, I use a 4l60 reaction shell that I bent the lugs in slightly and my foot press

@Roscotech 9 ай бұрын

I used a 1,2,3,4 apply ring from a 6L80. I put a big band clamp around the outside so I can bring the legs in right where I want them.

@Roscotech 9 ай бұрын

My mistake 3,5,R apply ring!

@Roscotech 9 ай бұрын

I am putting a new C,D,F drum in a 10R80 now. It looks to me like there may now be a step machined on the inside of the drum that prevents the bushing from being able to walk down. This new one is p/n RFHL3P-7P182-CB where the damaged drum is RFHL3P-7P182-CA. Ford has for a long while (I’m sure you know) gone up a letter in the alphabet when the part has been redesigned….CA to CB. I can clearly see a step similar to the pump bushing in a 4L60.

@aghastvenus2419 7 ай бұрын

My 2022 Ranger is currently at the dealership for this issue. About how long did it take for the repair (from the time parts get ordered to off the stand and driveable)?

@Roscotech 7 ай бұрын

I’m still a relatively new builder. Been a professional tech for more than 30 years but only building a couple years now. I have rebuilt 2 10R80’s now, both getting C,D,F drums (updated part), outer drums, and general rebuilds w clutches, bushings, seals, etc. I’m not fast. LOL! The first took me three days by the time I pulled it, rebuilt it, reinstalled, then shipped. I shaved a full day of the second. I’m sure a young dealer tech can easily knock one out in a day or less. Especially as many as I’m told some are actually doing.

@Roscotech 7 ай бұрын

@jeremydean6210 Жыл бұрын

Just had a new transmission put in my Raptor. And the transmission tech said this is exactly what went wrong in mine. 2018, 100k miles

@jeremydean6210 Жыл бұрын

Same everything

@danielcrown1084 10 ай бұрын

Was your raptor shifting hard? Mine has a terrible clunk between third and fifth.

@waynerichards8606 Ай бұрын

A lot of you who rebuild transmission remember the 700R4 and the front seal and pump bushing would come forward and the fix was wired wheel the paint off the seal and put red locktite on both to stop that problem sounds like the same problem what happens to aluminum when gets hot the bushing moves

@miggiegutierrez4043 2 жыл бұрын

This drum has been updated by ford and the new part number is jl3z-7h351-b

@sweetpepper7791 Жыл бұрын

You are correct. I'll use caps to help others read it: JL3Z-7H351-B Been waiting for this part for a month and now supposed to be available Oct 15th, but we'll see...

@lakemarine484 9 ай бұрын

Impressive video! The 10R80 transmission in my new condition 2019 F150 shifts horribly and at time it will shift so hard it feels like someone hit it with a 20lb sledgehammer. Ford isnt fixing it because they say they are not getting the needed DTC codes during diagnostic test.

@jeffreygoss8109 8 ай бұрын

So no code no problem? That’s terrible service.

@lakemarine484 8 ай бұрын

They literally told me to "wait for it to break" bc they didnt find any transmission codes. I raised hell with the general manager and they brought it back in and did the TCM/PCM adaptive shift reprogram. That helped for ~2months...its starting to clunk again though.

@Garth2011 2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see GM make a correction on those sleeve bearings. Maybe they need to use roller bearings or redesign the drum.

@gunshipproduct2 2 жыл бұрын

This is a Ford transmission though, would GM redesign their purchased 10L80s?

@angelcuriel4257 Жыл бұрын

Hey Hiram I built a 700r4 no reverse pressure test idle 170 psi. I made a mess. Customer well child hood friend. Wanted 4x4 case his trans non aux.only one I could find 86 case first #6 . I put his parts non aux in a later case. I drilled hole through rib just in case use later pump plate valve body

@Roscotech 4 ай бұрын

So watch out on these!!! There are at least 4 different part #’s for the 10R80! Check the TSB and make sure you are ordering the part that fits the vehicle you are building for! The snap ring grooves are in different depths and clutch clearance will be WAY off!

@jasonvito2367 Жыл бұрын

thank you so much for the video. It helps me a lot and it gives a proper information about this subject....

@GM1234-u2z 8 күн бұрын

Добрый день. Только разобрал коробку такая же проблема. Можно исправить подложив подходяшую шаибу под подшипкик , уменьшить зазор от давления ступицу выталкивает и тефлон выходет.

@ernestomontes2843 Жыл бұрын

Un excelente inicio de año 2023. Saludos

@georgebigras9757 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing this video with me

@gian-lucbrasseur207 Жыл бұрын

I've been getting a clunk or "tunk" noise while breaking for lights. While downshifting on 5th, 3rd and 1st. It almost sounds like a metal wire has tension on it and it keeps slipping or being pulled on from thr side like a guitar string. No idea what's going on with the transmission but I can feel the noise in my foot and it's clearly coming from the transmission. I drive a 2022 Ford mustang mach 1 with 5k miles. Dealership is lost. They swapped the valve body and PCM and nothing is fixed

@mikegifford2873 Жыл бұрын

I would just file lawsuit ford isn’t responsible for anything bask me how I know they will sell you a pile of shit then play the band aid game when the client files lawsuit ford doesn’t answer for 18 months now it will be close to 3 years when court is settled when they refuse to admit the transmission has issues yet this shows me they just refuse service because of my lawsuit

@renesanchez3171 2 жыл бұрын

Gracias por compartir su experiencia.saludos desde El Salvador

@AutomaticTransmission 2 жыл бұрын

Saludos

@mattc7981 2 жыл бұрын

My 18 expedition is in the shop right now with a P076f 7th gear ratio code. Shop believes it is having this problem and awaiting a rebuild. Supposedly parts were ordered 3 weeks ago... I have no warranty on the vehicle (r title). It makes me feel at ease knowing that a $4k rebuild probably won't give me any more longevity... Ugh

@sergiudiaconu7992 Жыл бұрын

I am seeking for an answer from an expert. I have a problem with 3-4-5 gear slipping sometimes, not all the time , but 80% of the time at 50-70% acceleration. Is this the problem that causes my 10r80 slip or is a software issue ? I have replaced the valve body but the problem persisted. Thanks

@Billg138 5 ай бұрын

I believe I have the same problem. It feels like surging and slipping. Real noticeable in 3rd at 3,000rpm and heavy throttle.

@uhadowhat273 Жыл бұрын

2017-19 erratic shift concern c/s; transmission hunts for gears and doesn’t seem to know what gear to be in.

@georgebigras9757 3 ай бұрын

Need snap ring on both end of Bushing to stop moving

@dirtapple1716 4 ай бұрын

Hey Friend, I have a 10r80in my 2018 F-150, it has all the symptoms in the TSB 23-2250, relearned the transmission about a month ago and the issue has persisted. Has the new Drum resolved the issue? I'm starting to wonder if pinning the bushing in place with a brass pin would resolve the issue. I purchased a 2005 F150 basically as a "long term rental" and am still unsure whether its worth fixing my 2018.

@dynamicatv 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your work on KZfaq. May I ask where your shop is located?

@hedydd2 Жыл бұрын

At what kind of mileage does this wear and failure generally occur? I have a new Ranger on order and I’m kind of worried about this transmission’s long term reliability.

@AutomaticTransmission Жыл бұрын

I've seen them at about 80,000 or so. The dealership sees them a lot under warranty. Not sure at what mileage but I assume under 36,000.

@hedydd2 Жыл бұрын

@@AutomaticTransmission I’m hoping that they have modified the offending bearing or seal during a production campaign. However, I have heard it all before. However there was the same story around the reliability of the 6 speed but I have run one for 9 years in a Ranger, towing 3.5 tons very regularly, and it has been faultless so far.

@100pyatt 5 ай бұрын

This should be a Ford recall under a class action lawsuit

@GustavoMartinez-nl8sy 2 жыл бұрын

Buen día! En una 6T40 se puede reemplazar el tambor múltiple 3-5-R/4-5-6 de 4 anillos Gen I por el de 3 anillos Gen II???

@stevenakn1 2 жыл бұрын

Hey man I been watching your videos for years and wanted to see if you would be interested in a challenge. There's a utuber named whistling diesel he's built the biggest truck in the world that has 2 automatic transmissions in it. They need to figure out how to synchronize them. The truck is at diesel Dan's performance shop if you could help out. Pays great and you'll love the truck if you haven't seen it.

@billybrinegar Жыл бұрын

Ford has redesigned the sleeve so it won’t slide out of place. 2/23

@hedydd2 Жыл бұрын

Any more information on this? I have a new Ranger on order which is on its way from the Silverton plant in South Africa. I’m hoping that all the issues have been sorted by Ford by now.

@marthasanabria5935 Жыл бұрын

Hola Hiram , usted me puede decir donde comprar los kit de las transmissiones en Los Angeles? Gracias

@kendefranco5141 Жыл бұрын

I really enjoy your videos, would you be nice enough to tell me where your shop is located for referrals.

@joseramirez2673 Жыл бұрын

Hey man how u doing I have alot of extra parts for a 4l60e transmission and I was wondering if I could donate them to u since u helped me in a big way with ur videos and to show my appreciation for your help Let me know thanks again

@latamorewilliams6443 Жыл бұрын

Hello Hiram! I love your videos! ? Question I have a 1979 ford f100 with the c4 transmission that has leaking shaft seals. I’m going to have to drop the valve body, I’m worried, should I use a torque wrench when reinstalling the valve bolts? I heard that a transmission can be damaged if bolts are to tight? What are the specs for a C4 tranny😊🤝?

@phillmckrakin2518 Жыл бұрын

Did you retire? I just found your channel and noticed no new videos for 8 months.

@debraguest7245 Жыл бұрын

Do you know what transmission they used in a 2011 Toyota Camry 2.5?

@vtimou5772 2 жыл бұрын

hi..i would love to see a AB60F or E rebuilt,,,there is no really good vid like yours on youtube...continue the good vid !!!! like it

@AutomaticTransmission 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@AutomaticTransmission 2 жыл бұрын

Once one rolls in with plenty of time I'll get some video on it.

@jaws131638 Жыл бұрын

Alto bushing kit #231625B

@thebulgarianguy8461 Жыл бұрын

Hello, what is the name of your shop? I heard you’re in Houston and so am I. I have a 44re in need of a rebuild and would like to use your service. Thank you

@stevenhorne5089 Жыл бұрын

Can we ask you questions regarding problems we're having with our transmissions?

@jaws131638 Жыл бұрын

The new design has a ridge to stop the sleeve from moving Ford # jl3z-7h351-B

@MarshallM-qg5li Жыл бұрын

What vehicle was this from and how many miles were on it?

@rickfennell7849 11 ай бұрын

Has ford fixed the problem yet???

@AlexWang_1117 Жыл бұрын

Ford has made some improvement since July 2022. You will need to replace the the whole drum. Look for the newest service parts start with ML3Z**

@TheProchargedmopar 2 жыл бұрын

👍💪

@josemeza2843 Жыл бұрын

Donde estas ubicado amigo?

@bobbyj045 Жыл бұрын

I would like to bring you my 2017 tahoe to have you rebuild the 6l80. Im in Dallas, will you list your shop or can i message you on linked in

@paulgilliland2992 2 жыл бұрын

Where is Hiram’s shop located anyone?

@johnwick7189 Жыл бұрын

Where are you located

@williamslomeli6874 2 жыл бұрын

When do you submit this video in spanish?

@AutomaticTransmission 2 жыл бұрын

En cuanto haga parte 2 lo paso a español.

@yzmoto80 Жыл бұрын

How do I contact you ?

@amadoescobar9609 Жыл бұрын

Hiram, Where are you located? Phone#?

@redrightreturn1085 Жыл бұрын

I don’t mean to be an ass, but this video was 9.5 mins of just saying “this drum and bushing are bad and worn out”… zero other information on what symptoms to expect, or what would cause it🤦🏽‍♂️I honestly don’t understand the purpose of this video. And you say “this is the most common problem”, ok, great, but WHAT did t the customer say is the symptom??

@MarshallM-qg5li Жыл бұрын

Mine failed in this same manner with only 60k easy miles. The symptoms are overheating, taking a long time engaging the next gear and occasional very hard shifting.

@redrightreturn1085 Жыл бұрын

@@MarshallM-qg5li ah, thanks. I guess that explains why my 10r80’was just replaced in November due to those symptoms.