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111. Revolution Trains Class 59 and It's Issue's !
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4 ай бұрынHello again and welcome back to Piddle in the Marsh.
As promised a video of my thoughts on Revolution Trains Class 59 and their actions in supplying it.
The opinions in this video are my own.
@endoorrailway 4 ай бұрын
Hi Mark, thanks for including tips on the fixes and bogie removal - very useful! I'm glad you've found your loco to generally be excellent too 🙂
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
It's just the decoder I dislike. I will be changing that asap. Their new 66 will have the same decoder
@awisbechwildboy5419 4 ай бұрын
Good to know about the drive shaft situation 👏
@ModelTrainOutsider 4 ай бұрын
Very fair and insightful demonstration... a gorgeous loco (on a brilliant layout, too). Interesting design quirks... you seemed to sort a lot out! Kudos to you!
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
Hi Anthony, it is a great loco, gorgeous is pushing it to far, and it does what it is meant to do very well. The issue with the axles contacts took a while to understand, but I got there, but after dealing with Dapol and Farish locos for years I have become accustomed to sorting silly problems ! The lack of instructions is a problem with all manufacturers though at the moment and this loco has very poor ones, but at least it had an exploded view of the loco !
@42cerberus 4 ай бұрын
As far as I can tell, the only reason that retailers got their 59s before deposit customers was down to Model Rail Scotland. Revolution were able to hand the models to retailers in person but had to work through all of the pre orders, separate out all of the 59/0s from the /1 and/2s and issue all of the invoices all while getting ready for the first show of the year. The priority for them was the fully paid orders. While I understand your frustration, cancelling your current pre-order could mean missing out.
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
They did the same thing with the Class 128 ! I am still of a mind to cancel the order and I am not alone in that and if I miss out, I miss out ! If they want the money up front they must supply to those people who have paid first, because they are funding the project.
@StevenHughestransportvideos 4 ай бұрын
@@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland100% agree with this. I had mine marked as fully paid on 16th February and I'm still awaiting despatch. I appreciate it's easier to shift a bulk trade order, but it alienates customers like us, who they rely on to make the project happen to start with. I haven't ordered any 66s as I wanted to see how the 59 came out first. The lack of anything but esu decoder at the moment is also a factor which pushes me towards the new Dapol version instead.
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
It was my experience with Dapol that made me go to Revolution Trains. YouChoos have today confirmed that Zimo are producing the Next28 decoder, they even have one !
@StevenHughestransportvideos 4 ай бұрын
@@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland Indeed, hopefully in future supply will be better. Having seen the next gen of 59 from dapol, there isn't much in it, at least not for normal operation (i.e head/tail lamps working directionally). I'm not sure having the ability to have the head lights on both ends is going to see much use on a normal round and round layout.
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
@StevenHughestransportvideos Have a look at Wickford N Gauge, Paul has bought two. He says they pull okay but are lighter but the body detail is a big step backwards
@timstrainvideos142 4 ай бұрын
hi great video! so do i just bend the pick ups which are on the outsides of the wheels inwards a bit? will 10 to 15 degrees be enough? also btw zimo are making a next 24, chip as well but it's not available yet so far as I know. cheers.
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
I left the axles in the bogie because I think it's likely to break the bogie otherwise and just bent the silver coloured metal towards the axle on each side with a very small screwdriver so it was equal and the axle point was in and in contact with the cup. Yes I have heard that Zimo were looking into making a E24/Next28 but that was all.
@timstrainvideos142 4 ай бұрын
@@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland thanks that's really useful info. I'll copy your approach.
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
@timstrainvideos142 You have the same problem ?
@timstrainvideos142 4 ай бұрын
@@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland yes but only if i stop the loco on curves or go very slowly. it doesn't tend to stall if moving over them at a decent speed. overall it runs v nicely though and mostly i don't stop on curves anyway.
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
Mine ran great at speed but at a slow speed it stuttered and very slow, it just stopped. Not any more !
@thegrowler-blackwoodngauge 4 ай бұрын
A very measured video ! Don't know who that bugger was who went to MRS and walked out with one in his back pocket 😅. Did appreciate the tutorial at the end re the bogie issue. That said mine seems to have stopped stuttering on the couple of insulfrog points I've got - so I'll leave well alone for the time being. Good video !
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
You were named and shamed Euan as the culprit !
@Wickford_N_Gauge 4 ай бұрын
Has Val The Viper found out about her Piddle persona yet 🤭
@thegrowler-blackwoodngauge 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely not - I Don't relish sleeping in the garden shed😅@@Wickford_N_Gauge
@Wickford_N_Gauge 4 ай бұрын
It could be worse 🤔 you could appear on Wanted posters across The UK 🇬🇧 😲😲🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
I can hear the squeak of a mouse coming from Scotland ! It will be worse when she does find out !
@nickbuxcey1208 4 ай бұрын
I have two 59s. Both have issues going over points. Both have sound and the continuous restarting (over 45 seconds is a pain) leads me to turn off the sound and the continuous stalling is a pain too. I will look at what you did to see if I can sort it or I will stick stay alives in them. Breaking is the other issue that causes consternation. As for pulling power they are awesome. I have another 59 on order and 3 66s. I just hope they don’t have the same issues.
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
As the chassis is basically the same, I think you will.
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
Bending the contacts in on the movie has been very successful for me, no further problems, just be aware of the drive shaft !
@iansngauge 4 ай бұрын
Hi Mark! An interesting take on the new class 59 from Revolution Trains! It looks excellent, and has fantastic pulling power, and some novel lighting features, but I'm not sure I'd be giving it such a good review with it stalling on curves as not everyone has your maintenance abilities! I'm getting fed up at having to fiddle with new locos and rolling stock to get them to work, especially as they cost so much! Not sure if their class 66 is on general sale yet, but they had them priced up on the RT stand at The London Festival of Railway Modelling a couple of weeks ago, so I assume they were selling them! Do you know if the new ESU decoder is Railcom enabled? All the best, Ian.
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
Hi Ian, I know absolutely nothing about the ESU decoder that is in it other that the info that's in the comments from Mike Buick who is part of Revolution Trains. I do know they will be replaced with Zimo ones asap ! I also doubt if many people will use all the lighting functions available so as I said, a Next18 would have been better. As for the loco, it only had minor problems, but I do agree that there should not be any. But next to a Dapol or a Farish it is far superior. As for the 66, they are at the pre-order stage
@47606odin 4 ай бұрын
The ESU chip is a superior chip to the ZIMO. So don’t complain that the better option of chip is fitted, that’s just daft. I go for ESU whenever I can.
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
That's your opinion, it's not mine. But seeing as you believe it to be the better decoder, spill the beans on how to set up Dynamic Braking and help us all out.
@mrhobbles385 4 ай бұрын
@@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIrelandIn fairness I use DecoderPro on laptop to configure my decoders, but dynamic braking is less than 5 clicks to set up. But I’m sure the Zimo is too, they’re likely similarly as simple to setup on DecoderPro. Ps. I do think Zimo slow speed performance is marginally better, but ESU has better sound in my opinion.
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
@@mrhobbles385 I am still waiting for my GBRF One with sound so I can't answer that one yet ! The issue with the braking for me is that I can not find out which CV,s to change to what values. This information seems to be Top Secret and all like you who use ESU won't or can't give me (and others) this information. So please can you pass on the CV settings for Dynamic Braking to me ?
@mrhobbles385 4 ай бұрын
@@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland DecoderPro abstracts the CV's away so enabling dynamic braking is just clicking on the dynamic braking options, so I don't know which CV's they are I'm afraid. I recommend it, it's free software. However, I just looked the Lokpilot 5 manual on the ESU website (free download) and it seems the CV's are documented in there. They don't seem to be attempting to keep them secret. CV 179-184 seem to control this feature. See page 82 in the manual pdf for the descriptions of the CV's.
@mrhobbles385 4 ай бұрын
You want to go to the website, click Downloads > Instruction manuals > Digital decoders > Lokpilot 5, to download the pdf.
@ronniewatkins7405 2 ай бұрын
Hi Mark Brilliant review, I have 3 class 59 , you did not mention the sound, the revolution sound is far superior to the dapol, it really makes it great loco. Ronnie Watkins,
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 2 ай бұрын
Hi Ronnie, the reason for that was because I didn't want their sound or decoder, as I said, I wanted Zimo. I have since got a Sound fitted GBRF One and I hate the racket it makes. The constant release of air is false, So it stays silent. As soon as a Zimo version is available those awful decoders will be gone and I have today cancelled my future orders with Revolution Trains because of that decoder. If they do produce what I want with a Next18 I will buy from a retailer.
@ngaugefouroaksstreetstatio6932 4 ай бұрын
Very interesting Mark, on some of the locos that have those brass type arrangements on the bogies i have often thought that the wheels may lose contact. Anyway the key thing is that the loco overall is a great model and you have it running well.
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
Hi Chris, it's a great loco and as I said it's been let down by the axle issue somewhat, but mostly by the decoder. I have just been trying everything that Mike has kindly said in his comments but no joy at all. I have come to the conclusion that I shall replace the ESU decoders with Zimo when Zimo have them available. It looks as if they are going to be the future !😱
@davidsheriff8989 4 ай бұрын
Wonderful layout and you seem to have control of everything very well....
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
Hi David, I wish I was in control of everything !😃 I use a Dynamis Ultima control station from Bachmann which is nothing flash by any means but it does what it is meant to. As for the layout, it just over 6 years now since I started it. Two periods off work for Blood Cancer gave me a lot of spare time which I filled ! My train room is my sanctuary shall we say when moron tv is being watched by Emma or daughter or both.
@davidsheriff8989 4 ай бұрын
@@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland I play guitar as my hobby but maybe will return to the hobby of trains as I had O and oo gauge in the past
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
I went for N due to the room I had available and it has worked out well for me. I would love an O set up in the garden though !
@wimbletrain 4 ай бұрын
Hi Mark, nice things to know for anyone thinking of buying this loco. Hopefully someone will give you an answer on the Dynamic Braking.
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
If you read the comments I think Mike has. If it is the case I will let everyone know.
@delphjunction1168 4 ай бұрын
Hi Mark. Great looking loco. Do like those models 66s etc. Think you have just convinced me to stay dc. Don't think my one cell brain could cope with all that. Brilliant look at your fantastic layout again. So much going on with it. You should be very proud. Thanks again buddy. .... Pete....
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
Pete, DCC sounds complicated at the start for sure, but it isn't. When I started it was like trying to access to Masonic Secrets but not anymore. Any questions, just ask me. The answer is also to be found on KZfaq from lots of people. I am not a lover of the Class 66 at all, or the 59, but they are part of history being the first privately owned locos. For me it's the Class 35 and 52
@mikebuick2332 4 ай бұрын
Hi Mark, the active braking does work but the throttle must be at speed step 0 with the loco coasting. It will also be effected by 28 / 128 speed step set up on your throttle, and the value for CV 4, which I cannot remember off the top of my head, but if you haven’t changed it, is high enough to allow the loco to coast. ESU decoders do not use the same architecture and protocols as Zimo, and likewise, other decoder manufacturers all have their own way of doing things, just like Command Stations, whereby they are all different. Bachmann constantly switch between Zimo and ESU, and interfaces to suit their models. The E24 decoder is the next evolution of DCC functionality and we used it to offer the functions required to operate the lighting functions - it’s identical in operation to any other ESU V5 decoder and has been used in North America as a wired version for many years without any issues. Zimo are producing an E24 decoder - YooChoos had the prototype at Alexandra Palace. Unfortunately, you won’t be able to use our sound project as it’s an ESU only file - no different to every sound project as they’re non compatible but I’m not sure if Dapol will be selling their file as a stand alone option? They didn’t with the OO scale version so it’s highly unlikely. I hope that helps to balance things out.
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
Hi Mike, CV 3 is actually set to 55 for acceleration, CV 4 was set to 150 and can be changed back. I always use speed step 126. So excuse me if I am being stupid but how does one apply the brake ?
@mikebuick2332 4 ай бұрын
Hi Mark, obviously I don’t know what command station you are using but wind the throttle back to zero and the inertia will allow the loco to continue on for some while before it stops of its own accord. It’s during this time that you use the F5 function and it will apply the brake. It’s fairly similar to F2 on a Zimo decoder whereby you may have to continually toggle the function off and on to achieve the desired braking style but it does work. I’ve posted a few videos on Facebook of both our samples and my own personal loco using the F5 function which incidentally works very well with F8 drive lock. I use both Zimo and ESU decoders on Oak Road and it can get a little disorienting when you forget which loco has which decoder but once you’ve got used to the driving characteristics, it’s a lot of fun. Just as an aside, double check your wheel back to backs. If you aim at 7.6mm the axle pin points will push themselves further in to the pickup cups and should alleviate the stalling on your insulfrog points. Hope that helps. 👍
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
@@mikebuick2332 I use F2 braking on Zimo now and love it. Any idea what CV 179 and 180 do ? I will go and try it again with F5 when I get home from work. I use a Bachmann Dynamis Ultima, okay maybe not the best but it suits me fine and works well.
@mikebuick2332 4 ай бұрын
Hi Mark, they are the CVs for the Automatic Brake Control (ABC - most decoders have this) and are used in the active brake function too. I’m no DCC expert by any means but you can have various ‘user’ controlled braking functions with the ESU decoders and it’s a case of reading through the manual (found on the ESU website) and playing around with the settings. There’s three brake functions but ultimately, the values just have an effect on the value of CV4 when whatever function they’ve been assigned to is activated. This isn’t necessarily simple if a command station isn’t one of the more advanced versions that allow you to go deeper in to the programming suite. If all goes wrong, just remember CV8 to value 8 to reset. As much as we’d like it to be, there isn’t a ‘one size fits all’ when it comes to DCC and there’s a huge gulf between basic DCC users and those who are Rocket Scientists. Damned if we do and damned if we don’t is the best expression. Once I’ve finished work for the day I’ll upload a video to my YT channel shown my 59 pulling up using the F5 function. Cheers Mike
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
@@mikebuick2332 Sounds like it works just like the Zimo ! I am no DCC rocket scientist by any means but I do get some of the more advanced bits. I can only try !
@LaytonJunction 4 ай бұрын
hi mark a very nice engine dose look good on the layout and do agree on the sale of the engine enjoyed seeing the new arrival cheers for now al 👌👌🚋🚋🚂🚂😊😊
@Wickford_N_Gauge 4 ай бұрын
Greetings, Somersex and hello Mark 👋that was avery fair and balanced assessment 👍 with excellent tips on how to get your shaft in properly 🤭 and putting your flat head in just the right place to get a good connection 😲 Invaluable, that's why you're still the National Treasure 😇 Very best wishes for health and happiness to all Piddle Folk from the other Ireland ☘️
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
Me do a balanced and fair video ! I shall have to try harder in future, that's most unlike me.
@thegrowler-blackwoodngauge 4 ай бұрын
Always important to have your shaft inserted properly 😅
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
@thegrowler-blackwoodngauge and in the correct hole
@thegrowler-blackwoodngauge 4 ай бұрын
@@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 🤣
@StevenHughestransportvideos 4 ай бұрын
The GBRf livery version is in the country. I've got a DC one from rails. I'm still awaiting my DCC sound one from revolution. The chip is a pain as it's so hard to get hold of. I dread to think how long I'll be waiting for my sound 59/0
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
If they still have any Revolution Trains were selling the decoders, which is where I got mine from. I am lead to believe that East Coast DCC have them available to.
@nickbuxcey1208 4 ай бұрын
I’ve two sound 59s. Awesome. Issues going over points as in this video. I ordered a chip from Revolution a while back and no sign. However I swapped the non sound one for a sound one and solved that issue. I’ve a non sound 59 (DB) coming so hopefully I will get the chip beforehand.
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
Rails told me, middle to end of April they care expected and revolution web site said they were in transit. Zimo are to produce a Next28 very soon, YouChoos actually have one, but Zimo are only doing a sound version to start with
@nickbuxcey1208 4 ай бұрын
@@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland Inwas at YouChoos on Friday (they are down the hill from me), picked up some cable, now they are doing some stay alives for my 08. I should have asked about the chip.
@nickbuxcey1208 4 ай бұрын
Both mine are sound. It’s the only version to get as the LokPilot is hard to come by.
@Pugragger 4 ай бұрын
is it me or does it look under scaled?
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
No I don't think so
@simongregory6482 4 ай бұрын
Have to say, you're giving out misinformation on this video regarding ESU decoders and their CV setups. Other than a physically different appearance, the Next28 is no different to a Next18 other than it has more functions. Those functions are controlled with CV's, just as they are with any other decoder (including Zimo......) - ESU document them ALL on their website and it isn't difficult to find them.
@PiddleInTheMarshbyMarkIreland 4 ай бұрын
I have been on their website and as I don't speak German it proved impossible for me to get the information. Having only had one ESU decoder previously, which failed very quickly, I don't have any experience of them and I don't believe I did give false info, only what I know. If you can give me the CV settings to make the Dynamic Braking work, I would be most greatful. So far nobody has answered my pleasure for information !
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