Bucklers for hunters? Everything is a hunter drop...

this is the kind of punkrat we all subbed for ! good job man

Videos like this are important because it highlights how much of the design of WoW alpha and even most of Vanilla was still up in the air and much of it luckily worked out creating the smash hit we've loved for years, however much of the core concepts were still last minute decisions or constantly changed in the hope it worked well or was balanced. So many of these concepts were actually very open to testers feedback in deciding how the game should be made and played based on testing and the current popular games of the time, like how much of the game should be instanced vs world content, how big and how many players there should there be for raids and how classes should function. The Classic we play today is more closer to the end of Vanilla which started using TBC design that was far more refined so that classes had useful skills, talents and gear with dungeons and raids that have far less spikier instant kill situations which played well without having to trudge through the early vanilla experience of insanely hard 15 man dungeons with wipes common and gear over contested, worthless gear and talents, worthless classes that nobody took in groups and broken strong skills in PvP (who remembers 20 second WIll of the Forsaken fear immunity? 40%+damage enrage on warrior?) with no diminishing returns on crowd control. Much of what we love about WoW even today was forged in the fires of success and failure of Vanilla and the Beta test phase.

Just imagine that there was a day when a developer said the words 'we should have a spell called fear where the enemy would run around for tens of seconds aimlessly and vulnerable' while feeling that it was the best idea.

Lol, what a trip down the memory lane. Glad to look back and know the direction you've chosen since. *Lok'tar ogar!*

Was pretty far into Vanilla before 5man strat and school were the typical way of doing them. I remember having to get pretty top notch teams with good balance to do the 5man only quests before power creep from bwl and beyond made it less taxing.

Raiding Scholo/UBRS/Strath made it to live. In fact, there was no raid size limit initially. You could basically Zerg anything with enough people. The limiting factor was that there just wasn’t enough loot to go around for 20+ people. Also, warrior intimidating shout and Tauren war stomp didn’t have player caps. Meaning, a single warrior could fear a raid group for 15+ seconds, which happened often during the Tarren Mill v South Shore raids.

I remember when I hit 51 in Vanilla, the first end game dungeon I did was a 10 man Scholomance.

Really enjoyed this video @punkrat, in my personal opinion as a horde player for a looooong time I would say Razorhill is like a bigger hub much like the GS you were speaking of.

Actually, at the beginning of wow vanilla i remember raiding scholo and strath with 10 people and ubrs with 15. so, taht was athing in vanilla wow.

I totally love the plains run idea for Tauren.

Fuck rolling, imagine just trying to find 15 people willing to do a specific dungeon.

Hidden memes in the video: "Even further beyond." and the video's time of 1337.

Tauren plainsrunning actually made it to retail, it was in 1.0. It was a passive ability though, so once you learned it, as a tauren anytime you started moving you would slowly get speed increases, maxing out after ten seconds. The biggest problem this caused, other than being annoying getting attacked and having to rebuild speed, was that if you were trying to sneak by a mob half the time your speed increase would start without you realizing and now you've run face first into them.

Player housing is the reason I quit playing LOTR online. After grinding for days just to decorate my house, i realized that I was just playing virtual dollhouse simulator.

Hunters also had stealth back in alpha

Mage is listed as one of the available classes under the Dwarf listing in the game manual that came with the original vanilla discs.

Some of the old alliance bias came from the fact that, to be honest.... Horde side had little love at the beginning. Before ya get your flaming torches and pitchforks... I mean in the cities and areas rather than in class design as PvP ect. Just look at stormwind and ironforge in vanilla. Wander about looking into to shops, houses and taverns. How many open doors with interiors do you find? There are quite a few shop style open buildings. There is the palace, the mage district, old town, the dwarf district...at least one empty tavern iirc in stormwind. Now wander around vanilla org. Its tiny, cramped and full, each building having an NPC inside. There are no chairs, few tables. One bank (its been a while, can't be arsed to patch right now lol) one tavern and one inn if I remember right. Its the same with thunderbluff, though its larger with it having more tiers and the three terraces. But still it is filled with places that have no chairs and few empty areas. There isn't a single bed in undercity (yeah there were coffins in the inn lol) and a couple of empty areas, no chairs at all....mostly it was built for utility. It felt hastily built at times after visiting the alliance areas. I remember hearing that the devs on world building had lavished hard work on the alliance areas ( probably one loved taurens which is why it was well put together lol) but then had realised the horde areas were behind, and had to quickly 'toss some stuff in to fill the areas' which was why Brill got a slightly dilapidated copy of goldshire inn (I do miss that version of Brill though lol) and most of lordearon was human buildings with broken furniture and spiderwebs. Though that area does make sense since it was plagued out and most of its populace died and came back as mindless undead (and its rare for a mindless undead to get stuck in cleaning routine muscle memory lol, most default to wander in circles mode) it still felt a little like the forsaken had just commandeered the buildings and never (in vanilla time) tried to come up with their own style. Now we see iron railings and plague vats and lots of chemistry equipment for forsaken build style lol. Its a different kind of bias as to what most folks these days grumble about, and you sort of need a different outlook on in game life to notice it. Anyone that tried to roleplay as a hordie back in vanilla noticed it though, after RPing in the alliance areas you felt like they didn't know what or how to build to rp for horde. Guess the 'savage horde' thing didn't help back then and influenced the build style too.

Thanks for the videos u make

The forsaken thing just makes sense and honestly its stupid that they scrapped it.

Love the volume of content you've managed to cultivate!

Oh, the days when they loved the alliance. Now its screams for their love of them orcs

Hard casting out of invisibility was a thing for all invis/stealth mechanics for a not insignificant portion of vanilla. Casting would not actually break stealth until the end of cast. Rogues could apply poisons and Night elf hunters could aimed shot.

2 more that people rarely know, in early alpha there was something opposite to the rested state which gives extra experiance gained, there was a state tired, when you were running too much you get tired and your movement speed gets slowed drastically by % of how tired you were. Another one - In deadwind pass actually there was a crater place with a floating Castle above it, it was a titan house with enourmous big chairs stair and tables it was amazing to see a titans`s home. Also caverns of time was a castle as well :)

5:05 Only Blackrock Spire was a 15man raid, Scholomance and Stratholme were 10man raids - and yes, they were quite difficult, particularly Scholomance.

Is that the human castle theme from heroes III might and magic?

I feel like I remember doing scholo with 10ppl back in the day

I wish night elves could be mages in classic

I remember the movement speed slow for dwarf Stoneskin making it in late 2004/early 2005. Also, I think hunter's Disengage launched you backwards like it does now in retail.

You just know it is gonna be a good video when you hear the intro music.

The “blizzard didn’t actually have alliance bias” point only actually proved the opposite. It proved that they did in fact have an immense bias towards alliance and had to actually reign to bias in for balance. That doesn’t mean they didn’t have bias, it in fact proves that they definitely did. And that’s not even counting the amount of time they put into alliance cities compared to horde which only proves more bias.

LOVE the WC2 music!!!!!!!

Don't forget that paladins used to have holy strike and crusader strike instead of seals. Also Blizzard was planning to require players to use torches to see in places like darkshire.

I could have sworn I used exorcism on an undead when I first played back in vanilla.

Just FYI you glossed over something. After Blizzard "nerfed" Strath, Scholo, etc the first time, they were still considered 10 man raids and we did them as such. UBRS was the unique one at 15. We did this in vanilla, I've got pics of my paladin still zoning into Stratholme and us wiping (ten of us!) on the Baroness fight from 2005. I also remember UBRS as the 15 man raid where rogues only got in if they had improved sap lmao.

Feels like you watched the mad season video and just went, you made this? I made this :)

Scholo was a 10 Man raid for first couple patches

In vanilla 10-man Barons were common.

Oh so that's why I can call need on shields as rogue (warmane server)

Strat and scholo were 10 mans at launch UBRS was normally done with 15 but 40 were allowed. It was widely considered suicide to try and 5 man them for quests. Wasn't until like right before tier .5 that 5 man strat scholo was a normal thing

They wanted to have an extra city for alliance but an extra starting zone for horde (trolls) ---> it's in the actual game if you go above the timbermaw tunnel you'll find the zone im talking about with low lvl friendly trolls

Change your KZfaq icon!!! It’s passed Valentine’s Day now lol!!! But seriously love the content and love all you’ve given to the game and is players. Stay safe bro😁👍

if u play a mage u already have player housing. Considering you live in ZF..

Housing was easily possible, DAoC had housing back in 2003. I'm assuming they just ran out of time.

Don't forget Consistency

I don’t think undead functioning as actually undead is a bad idea? The Druid is a humanoid but but it’s still susceptible to hibernate? I know being in form is basically a beast but there still classed as humanoid right

0:31 END PONKRAT

I do not think plains running was a terrible game desighn, why not? It is pretty neat consept, imo. Just needed a bit of polish.

I don’t understand running out of quests. I think I did 50% or even less of quests for each lvl range.

i love your vids usually but this one is you just copying defcamp and melderon...they uploaded the exact same thing in different order like 2 days ago lol.

somehow i remember scholo being a 10 man raid, but im not really sure anymore

You are MadSeasonShow 2.0?

Glad to see content that’s not end game stuff.

I never understood the fascination with player housing :S

Jurassic Park music? Lol

Isn't strat/scholo 10men in the past?

7:07 low chance my ass

imagine standing still as a hunter

that piece about faction imbalance re-enforces it not disproves it. They had so much content planned for the alliance they had to scrap it because they had so little for the horde. Faction imbalance in Classic in city design, starting zone structure, and available hunter pets currently. Adding those items would have simply cemented the imbalance instead of making it speculative.

They were 10man not 15 - Only UBRS was 15 man originally. Good vid, but thought youd prefer accurate info :)

Dwarf mages would be op, not needing to use a block on a blind means that they prob just win every fight

"Rouge tank lfg BRD"

Still waiting for my player house! (Garrisons doesn't count)

Dude, would have been so cool if they added some sort of elevator to Gnomergan from Ironforge. Maybe in 15 more years we can get that (with a horde city equivalent).LoL Also the garrisons in WoD imo were boring as fuck. They really missed a huge chance to give players a way to customize their game. Both in Vanilla and in WoD. Just my opinion though.

>release in 2005 BFA fetus confirmed

Dont know why wow cant have player housing or guild housing..SWTOR has both

More shit we already know woohoo

Dry times punrat, redoing other people video?

"blizz has an alliance bias" The entire story of warcraft is about green horde jesus. How is there an alliance bias?

Hehe 13:37

''Yo! Soldiers of Classic! Here's a BOSS GUIDE for the upcoming raid! BWL! Enjoy.'' Wierd guide to bwl but ok....

Yoguyspunkratwithanothervideo

1337 video!!

Alliance bias? lmao

'Less social interaction' is just Blizzard's lazy way of saying "I don't wannaaaa! I don't I don't I don't!" Plenty of other MMOs have player housing and somehow I find it hard to believe there's 'less social interaction' because of it, considering you can have people over to your place and vice versa. Blizzard doesn't give a rat's ass about the RPG element anymore; only what they can hook morons on to keep them coming back daily for that sweet monthly sub.

This shows how little you know of the game. "hunter are not bad, they are not good"... Hunters are OP, you have to be a terrible one if you think they are mediocre.

I do like your content rat, but this is a straight madsesonshow video.

ahhh yes faction imbalance but hey horde heres grom' gol enjoy.. sorry alliance

Dude you gotta stop saying "actually"

I do enjoy your videos but fuck me dude you gotta chill with all the fillers and repetition when you're talking from 0:20 - 0:50 you manage to spend 30 seconds to really only say "These are things from pre-release wow that never made it to the game". And that's only one example, it happens throughout every video I get that you want to hit your 10 minute quota and I don't even have a problem with that, just stop filling all your videos with unnecessary padding on every sentence in order to reach it

Games not only dead it’s trash.

Alliance biased? Bahahahahha! Blizzard plays Horde. That's always been the unspoken rule. Go try and enter a horde area vs an alliance area. Go get on a zep to gank horde. Gl with the deathguards and goblins. Now roll horde and go try and get on a ship say in, Menethil Harbor so you can gank alli... yeah. Alliance biased... didn't know you were doing comedy. Need look no further either than the current pvp situation and Blizz changing it so Alli can't run premade because horde complained too much.