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12 Stops? Did Zcam LIE about The E2-F6 Dynamic Range? | Cinema 5D Test
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Күн бұрынZcam boast 15 stops of dynamic range for the Zcam E2 F6 on their website. However, there was a lot of controversy when Cinema 5D relased their Dynamic range test for the Zcam E2 F6 as well as Zcam f6 footage. This lead to a deeper dive into how this test is performed, and how other cameras perform on this test as well. The big question still remained for the users who haven't bought the Zcam E2 F6: what's the dynamic range of the camera? Although I don't have a scientific test, I can speak on what I am able to get out of this camera. Compared to using other cameras such as the Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro G2, I can safely say that yes, this camera does perform as if it has 15 stops of dynamic range. I feel more comfortable in HDR conditions compared to other cameras that also have 15 stops of dynamic range.
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@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
Realized I didn't clear say no: I don't believe that Zcam lied. After using the C200 in raw and the URSA Mini Pro G2, I believe this camera not only performs like it has 15 stops of dynamic range, but also performs better than those camera with that regard. What do you guys think about Dynamic range test? Are you a numbers or performance person?
@bcuziwasbored 4 жыл бұрын
I mean numbers always get me excited, but if it can do what I need it to, that's all that really matters :)
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
@@bcuziwasbored Cinema5D just rated to Sony FX9 at less that 12 stops of Dynamic Range lol
@bcuziwasbored 4 жыл бұрын
@@sidneybakergreen rip
@TheNefastor 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Your footage makes your point for you, and just judging by it I don't give a blip if the camera has 12 or 15 stops of dynamic range. It performs really well in skilled hands, that's all I need to know. As an engineer I love test benches and metrology but cameras are about producing art, not taking scientific measurements. Anyway... the F6 is way too expensive for me, I'll have to settle for the M4 and turbomount but I'm expecting great things.
@sidneybakergreen 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you man!
@joentell 3 жыл бұрын
What's up fellow KZfaqr. Your video quality is ridiculous! Crazy good! I own a ZCam E2 and recently got an A7SIII and I find myself missing the way midtones are handled on my E2. I also think the out of camera rec709 colors are excellent. Another thing I took for granted on the ZCam is how good the auto white balance is. It nails it.
@ysoltys 4 жыл бұрын
Your stuff is fire man! Keep up the excellent work
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks you man! And thank you for your continued contributions to the community!
@petere.vanloo2589 4 жыл бұрын
My 1st shoot with the F8, I didn't know what I was doing, and was able to recover EVERY blown out highlight. That won me over :) My thesis film was shot on a BMPCC and we had no detail from windows in our interior shots
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
The recovery is amazing! Is your film public?
@petere.vanloo2589 4 жыл бұрын
@@sidneybakergreen trailer is on my Redux Film Co channel, final cut is unlisted, but I'll toss it your way at my next airbnb 😁
@dtr_media 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video bro! Well said all around. I love my F6 and was surprised when I saw those test results because it definitely feels like 15 stops in post!
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
It does to me too. I feel like it handles highlights way better as well.
@PaulSprangersCityLimits 4 жыл бұрын
Great video sidney - your z-cam videos have been super helpful! So do you use a -1 or -2 exposure lut even with the F6? Do you use the james davis lut from the FB group?
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
I use the -3 Exposure lut on my monitor with the F6, and then I grade from scratch :)
@PaulSprangersCityLimits 4 жыл бұрын
@@sidneybakergreen Awesome, thank you! You inspire me.
@pauleporterdp 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Sidney, thanks for your video. I personally compared the F6 against the Bmpcc 6k. In my test you can see that DR on both of these is the Nearly identical. As you said the f6 retains a lot of information in the highlights but not in the shadows. Have a look on my video if you want. I also compared it to the the red dragon and clearly the red has more DR. So realistically the F6 has around 12-13 stops
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
Hey man! I was comparing it with my experience with other cameras such as the UMPG2 & C200. Cameras that both claim 15 stops of dynamic range. With these cameras, I found myself choosing between the highlights and My Shadow information. A lot about getting the most out of any camera is knowing how the log gamma curve is designed to function. Because this particular curved handles highlights much better, it's much easier to push the exposure three stops over and recover detail. Which to be honest, the manufacturer's did design this curve to be Overexposed. With that in mind, looking at your test you exposed both gamma curves similarly; but because of that Latitude you have in the highlights you can easily push that a little bit farther north to get more information in the shadows. Because of the limited highlight range on the bmpcc, you couldn't apply this same method. Same with the UMPG2. On the zcam, the highlights can be normalized and recovered in post. Especially with the right grading technique Seems that your exposure is on the darker side as well. You can see from my shots that have the sun in frame, I'm not really suffering any loss of detail in the Shadows or in the clouds outside of the sun. This also goes back to waveform information for me as well seeing what information I captured. The only reason I say this with such confidence is because of working with skin tone that also fall into that lower or IRE / NIT value. My analysis was based off of pure recovery ability because that's going to really allow you to push your image in a certain direction which is really what dynamic range is all about.
@zengze1 3 жыл бұрын
@@sidneybakergreen C200 has 12+ stops in reality. Tested in and out. So if Zcam F6 is similar, that means 12-13 stops.
@sidneybakergreen 3 жыл бұрын
@@zengze1 I never said they were similar. I said they fell short of the F6
@LALoveCreative 4 жыл бұрын
Dope Video bro! Keep at it. Love the content
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@dianegreen1333 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Sid! Nice assessment and review. Appreciate your honesty!
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
Love you Ma
@TJ-TJ 4 жыл бұрын
Have you tried putting a few rugs and blankets on the floor when you shoot? It’ll dampen the echo.
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
The floors are marble, I'd need a lot of rugs
@AllanEvansOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
This guy looks like the bassist in dead & co
@HaydenGoldsworthy 4 жыл бұрын
bless up dude!
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro!
@sethpiezas2040 3 жыл бұрын
Curious. What do you shoot your to camera monologues with?
@eagleseyemedia 3 жыл бұрын
How do you feel about the z cam s6 sidney.
@jeremiahbulkowski7502 4 жыл бұрын
Oh dang 7:25 that’s my home town
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
Wait... You're from GR?
@jeremiahbulkowski7502 4 жыл бұрын
@@sidneybakergreen Sure am! Can recognize the Grand River any day. ha
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
@@jeremiahbulkowski7502 Ayyy! Reach out on IG!
@lkptlst3256 4 жыл бұрын
idk exact numbers but i can say for sure, zcam hasnt high dynamic range.
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
It is up there for sure!
@evilofthevampires 3 жыл бұрын
I think the 15 stops is to do with raw Has anyone tested prores raw 6k?
@PharoahsKingdom 4 жыл бұрын
Have you used ZRAW yet? If so, how was it?
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
I have, I am waiting for native resolve support, I currently have to transcode to EXR which currently takes a long time. Thankfully, the ProRes Really holds up!
@Modoflai 4 жыл бұрын
uuuuuuuu hahahahah! the intro.
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
I try!
@KinsonLoo 4 жыл бұрын
Which camera did you use to shoot this video? 😂
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
The F6 of course! I haven't had gear envy since I got the F6
@PharoahsKingdom 4 жыл бұрын
What lens?
@jc7663 4 жыл бұрын
Zcam fanboys: “zcam has 18 stops of dynamic range”
@sidneybakergreen 4 жыл бұрын
No one said that though 🤔 what we aren't going to do is act like the camera doesn't produce a stunning image in HDR sitstuons. The image speaks for itself.
@petere.vanloo2589 4 жыл бұрын
16 max in wdr on e2/ M4... 15 on f6, 14 & 13 on others... Not sure where you're coming up with 18
@jc7663 4 жыл бұрын
Peter E. VanLoo lol with new firmware update it’s 20
@petere.vanloo2589 4 жыл бұрын
@@jc7663 incorrect....
@LimitbreakerStudios 4 жыл бұрын
@@petere.vanloo2589 r/whooosh
@najeefilms 3 жыл бұрын
You look like that gay dude who love when the club goes up on a Tuesday rofl.