12V 50A 600W power supply - what's inside

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DiodeGoneWild

DiodeGoneWild

3 жыл бұрын

Today let's make a teardown of a cheap 12V 50A 600W switching power supply module from eBay from China. A nice design, but some hidden surprises like fake or recycled components, and power transistors poorly mounted on the heatsink.
Next episode - the test of this power supply:
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@K-Riz314
@K-Riz314 3 жыл бұрын
I subscribe to dozens of electronics channels and none other give me remotely as much joy to watch as yours. I absolutely adore your style. You are one of a kind and can make even the most mundane of items exciting to watch. Your passion for what you do is very clear and quite contagious. Much respect!
@jasonr9157
@jasonr9157 3 жыл бұрын
i looked you up to see some new electronics channels i might have missed and only found 3 in your subscriptions sadly
@PF-gi9vv
@PF-gi9vv 3 жыл бұрын
Its also like waiting for the next episode on your favorite tv program :)
@ikehsamuelifeanyi4925
@ikehsamuelifeanyi4925 3 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy his videos.
@juperrr
@juperrr Жыл бұрын
I think it is the fact that he takes the time to explain component by component how the device works.I also enjoy it and I think he is the only online resource I have found doing this. Good for him and for us :)
@eldontyrellcorp
@eldontyrellcorp 3 жыл бұрын
I was missing this "you have to be kidding me guys" :)
@mareksvrcina5279
@mareksvrcina5279 3 жыл бұрын
I actually think it was there... As always ;)
@dodge1629
@dodge1629 3 жыл бұрын
10:48 There you go ! and here 11:30 and here: 12:57 and here 13:07
@gumpi5
@gumpi5 3 жыл бұрын
Listen at 07:00 😂
@MegaSunRise3
@MegaSunRise3 3 жыл бұрын
A wax filled capacitor... the chinese never disappoint 😂 Would've been nice to see the power supply working since paraffin starts melting at 50C 😀
@Jakob6174
@Jakob6174 3 жыл бұрын
There are a lot more waxes than paraffin, melting at higher temperatures too
@mysock351C
@mysock351C 3 жыл бұрын
Any chinese device with Nippon Chemi-Con, Nichicon, or Rubicon sleeved capacitors in it is automatically suspicious. Automatically think it was assembled in some slave labor camp or something.
@erikas6874
@erikas6874 3 жыл бұрын
It's also a good insulator. Capacitors don't get hot btw.
@franzliszt8576
@franzliszt8576 3 жыл бұрын
@@erikas6874 they get
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 3 жыл бұрын
@@erikas6874 If their ESR (equivalent series resistance) is low, they shouldn’t get hot. Cheap electrolytic capacitors however tend to lose/leak the electrolyte over time causing the ESR to increase which will warm them up which will accelerate the process. Sometimes leading to a catastrophic failure but most of the time just a silent death.
@lakiza55
@lakiza55 3 жыл бұрын
Those capacitors are reaching syuper dodgy levels that shouldn't even be possible.
@albertoallegri4202
@albertoallegri4202 3 жыл бұрын
If would ever exist a dragon ball scouter for the level of dodgynes, those capacitors will probably max out the reading🤣
@Donphan1
@Donphan1 3 жыл бұрын
@@albertoallegri4202 They are over 9000!
@simontay4851
@simontay4851 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely not real chemicon caps. They're fake. They tested ok though.
@Broken_Yugo
@Broken_Yugo 3 жыл бұрын
@@simontay4851 They may have been some sort of quality Japanese capacitor, before somebody ripped them out of a board with a pair of channel locks and reskined them to half-ass cover that up.
@stanimir4197
@stanimir4197 3 жыл бұрын
@@Broken_Yugo both of them are named brand ones (K & Y)... however likely rather old too.
@noco-pf3vj
@noco-pf3vj 3 жыл бұрын
That "K" vent is the Rubycon vent, on the right is the NCC vent. Wow, amazing, hidden disaster.
@Pawelr98
@Pawelr98 3 жыл бұрын
Those capacitors are filled with wax the same way some car dents are filled with bondo.
@K-Riz314
@K-Riz314 3 жыл бұрын
Lol, right! That part had me in tears. One of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen and his reaction to it was solid gold.
@juperrr
@juperrr Жыл бұрын
I love it that you explain everything that is going on, on the board. Never stop doing that ! Thank you !
@SamSpiri
@SamSpiri 3 жыл бұрын
Oh man, your videos are so fun and relaxing. Love it!
@seanman6541
@seanman6541 3 жыл бұрын
I can already picture DiodeGoneWild saying "Even more lammmpss" as he connects the lamps to the power supply.
@app0the
@app0the 3 жыл бұрын
The planet is shaking... EVEN MORE LAMPS!! Bloody hell, it's brighter than the sun now! EVEN MORE LAMPS!!!!
@progsam
@progsam 3 жыл бұрын
You mean: power supplyyyyyyyyee hhhh
@BogdanSerban
@BogdanSerban 3 жыл бұрын
I think they put the nippon chemicon labels on top of the salvaged capacitor 😂
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 3 жыл бұрын
One of them actually is a Nippon ChemiCon, the one with the Y vent. The one with K vent used to be a Rubycon.
@Zebra_Paw
@Zebra_Paw 3 жыл бұрын
The Y is completely no name! It doesn't mean Nippon Chemi-Con, lot of brands use an Y on the top!
@Mentorcase
@Mentorcase 3 жыл бұрын
Oh no you got me all excited and then the vid ended, well played sir, I await your next video.
@giopa110888
@giopa110888 3 жыл бұрын
I had "even more salt" flashbacks.
@andymouse
@andymouse 3 жыл бұрын
Me too.
@santi308
@santi308 3 жыл бұрын
15:09 me too
@cocusar
@cocusar 3 жыл бұрын
I have a similar one, but it is a half bridge topology, using a TL494. What's shady about it is that the power supply of the TL494 comes from a separated winding of the transformer, and it's not regulated. What's worse is that the cooling fan is also connected there (12V fan), but that voltage goes above 18V when the PSU is loaded. You get a "load regulated fan speed", but it also drives the fan out of it specs. I also bought two of them, and one blew up as soon as I connected it. Taking it appart I found that there were a LOT of solder blobs shorting a lot of critical components. After replacing the mains bridge rectifier, the fuse, both the main capacitors and the NTC, and it came back to life. So it's good you take it appart before testing it.
@BobT36
@BobT36 3 жыл бұрын
hehe does anyone else mimick his accent when tinkering with electronics or fixing things? I find myself saying "It worrrrrkksss", etc. :D Love your channel mate, I'm a complete and total electronics noob, but I still find it super interesting. Your attention to detail and thoroughness is second to none.
@davidpolacek4902
@davidpolacek4902 3 жыл бұрын
its vfc - vax filled capacitor
@ToleSan
@ToleSan 3 жыл бұрын
Could you please explain those transformers and gate driver transformer detail soon on your next video?. How much the windings, transformer size, and inductance of it.
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 3 жыл бұрын
OMG The trouble they go through to and still obviously cheat is annoying. Thank you for yet another excellent video!
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 3 жыл бұрын
@Abstractism China and the CCP have little to do with communism imo.
@andreasu.3546
@andreasu.3546 3 жыл бұрын
@Abstractism What we see here is maximizing revenue by minimizing cost. To me, this seems to have a lot more to do with capitalism than communism.
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect 3 жыл бұрын
@@andreasu.3546 yes .... china seems to have adopted the very worst of communism with none of it's advantages AND the very worst of capitalism with none of it's advantages..
@FindLiberty
@FindLiberty 3 жыл бұрын
14:21 LOL And, thank you for warning about potential toxic chemistry. Great video!
@ghost-wm1hw
@ghost-wm1hw 3 жыл бұрын
Love this guy. Taught me loads
@Zebra_Paw
@Zebra_Paw 3 жыл бұрын
Those power supplies never have control circuit for the fan, they lie! Could you please tell me what are the diodes?
@hernancoronel
@hernancoronel 3 жыл бұрын
Hi diode thank you for the video! Where can one learn on flyback designs, 2-switch forward, etc? Love your videos and your knowledge, keep up the great content!
@TheJavaSync
@TheJavaSync 3 жыл бұрын
Go to his site, danyk.cz
@muchmore344
@muchmore344 3 жыл бұрын
I actually find it quite good/nobel that they can recycle so many components. However changing makings and hide dents is not acceptable. If they can desolder components more carefully I would not reject to the idea of buying recycled electronics
@westelaudio943
@westelaudio943 3 жыл бұрын
Not electrolytics, they have a very limited lifespan especially in modern electronics and should only be used once unless you do very thorough testing which they most likely don't.
@Basement-Science
@Basement-Science 3 жыл бұрын
For solid-state stuff (transistors, diodes, ICs) it's not a bad idea as long as they are honest about it and test them. Electrolytic caps are a bit questionable though as they are often the first thing to fail anyway and putting in ones where you have no idea how long they have been in use is not a great idea. I bought a chinese ZVS driver once, and they specifically said it had used transistors. It worked perfectly until I killed it because I was stupid. Not the transistor's fault.
@muchmore344
@muchmore344 3 жыл бұрын
@@westelaudio943 well yes , but I want to see more recycling. and to me at least, it is no big deal replacing them. but I get it most people don't/can't
@stanimir4197
@stanimir4197 3 жыл бұрын
@@muchmore344 to recycle them - it takes labor cost - most components are cheaper not to be salvaged... or it takes slave level of pay. At home I salvage what I can (as I don't pay salary to myself for hobby/fun stuff) but it makes little sense in mass production.
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect 3 жыл бұрын
I always used recycled big electrolytics... I'm well aware of their failure rate... but the price of new ones keeps bringing me back to my collection of electronic scrap.
@keithking1985
@keithking1985 3 жыл бұрын
could you do a video explaining two switch forward? or do you have one already? I remember the capacitor with both legs in the same hole. well spotted..
@drobotk
@drobotk 3 жыл бұрын
Are you going to draw the schematic, or is your cat going to do that for you?
@richardnanis
@richardnanis 3 жыл бұрын
Cat had enough teaching in electronics to draw the schematic itself :-)
@paolomonai9511
@paolomonai9511 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardnanis For sure, the cat is also able to test it....not only to draw the schematics!!!!
@undefinednan7096
@undefinednan7096 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely the cat
@bixy9347
@bixy9347 3 жыл бұрын
I Always enjoy your show, thanks
@4mb127
@4mb127 3 жыл бұрын
You're doing amazing job. Thanks!
@ultrongaming1177
@ultrongaming1177 3 жыл бұрын
Always wait for your video ☺️☺️
@randydicotti3975
@randydicotti3975 3 жыл бұрын
Interestingly, I bought that EXACT SAME SMPS last week and it has what appears to be the EXACT same layout and components, but it's 60v, 10A 600watts. It would be very interesting to send you some pictures and see how they get the different voltages and amps out of the exact same layout.
@MuhammadDaudkhanTV100
@MuhammadDaudkhanTV100 3 жыл бұрын
Really good ideas and good work
@electronic7979
@electronic7979 3 жыл бұрын
Very good review video
@Basement-Science
@Basement-Science 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, I wish you had powered it on before taking off the capacitors. Might have given some nice fireworks. They might measure ok at low voltage, but who knows if the insulation would hold up after that torture.
@crusaderanimation6967
@crusaderanimation6967 3 жыл бұрын
I wish you will made video explaining working schematic of this and working principle of that topology !
@TheRintincola
@TheRintincola 3 жыл бұрын
Capacitors and mosfets have probably been reused by other boards !!! Great video!!
@Geniusinventor
@Geniusinventor 3 жыл бұрын
I love your power supply video. Keep it up 🥰🥰🤩
@Fizzer99
@Fizzer99 2 жыл бұрын
I have a similar 12v 30a psu that failed. I suspect it is the power transistors. I want to replace them but want to know which ones to use to make it better. The ones that came out of the unit is E13009L and J13009. Thanks.
@EasyOne
@EasyOne 3 жыл бұрын
Very well explained
@kyawzin3957
@kyawzin3957 3 жыл бұрын
Others : Let's open the screws, see, and then close. DiodeGoneWild : Let's pry out some doomed capacitors. One of the most valuable channels on youtube that give info about how china industries run on their cheap products.
@goirikdhar8149
@goirikdhar8149 3 жыл бұрын
How did you connect wires with those small halogen lamps with reflectors ? 😕
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 3 жыл бұрын
The "K" shaped capacitor vent is Rubycon. The "Y" shaped vent is Nippon ChemiCon. I think the wax trick is because it's self levelling, when they heatshrink the new label on it, the wax re-melts to fill the voids. I'm also looking at this bridge rectifier mains side, and wondering, will it really survive 600W of power draw, entirely without heatsink? I have not seen unheatsunk rectifiers in PC PSUs which are anywhere near this powerful. I suppose it will just about work in 230V region, but what about 115V region? The total mains current is doubled, and it's carried by only two out of 4 diode elements, so each carries 4 times the current, this seems very dodgy! The thing that is most scary about PSUs i think is ultimately the magnetics, you rely on the transformer to separate you from deadly mains. I almost hope that the transformers are salvaged from something good, but they can take damage with time too. Transformers must be the by far most expensive components in the PSU to manufacture, and even more expensive to QC properly. There are cheaper, safer and more trustworthy 12V PSUs you can get for the power. Server power supplies, like from Hewlett Packard and Dell, usually 600-800W. They come from a redundant array and have a card edge connector, they're written-off or decommissioned units, sometimes they have faults in PWR_OK circuit or something of the kind. They're guaranteed not to have run more than a few years, they are taken out of the array before they are expected to possibly fail. If they're manufactured by LiteOn, then they have a fairly tolerable, temperature controlled fan, if by Delta, then they get loud. Also some get loud because the fan control circuit has died. The manufacturer isn't printed on the PSUs, but can be found by E-number UL search.
@DiodeGoneWild
@DiodeGoneWild 3 жыл бұрын
The bridge rectifier is definitely not the biggest concern. Many older ATX power supplies had it with no heatsink. Some even had just 4 flimsy diodes. The fan also helps a lot. And if you run it at 115V, there's always just 1 diode voltage drop, instead of 2, besause the 115V switch turns it into a doubler. So the power dissipation of the bridge rectifier is the same for 115V and 230V.
@stanimir4197
@stanimir4197 3 жыл бұрын
600W of power draw. That's less than 3A on 235V or so with 90% efficiency. Bridge rectifier is like 15A one.
@Broken_Yugo
@Broken_Yugo 3 жыл бұрын
As I understand its desirable to run rectifiers kinda hot as the forward voltage goes down (and efficiency goes up) as temperature increases.
@timmueller8447
@timmueller8447 3 жыл бұрын
This is the best video you ever made. You really made my day. Super cool and I love you "bloody hell" I am an electric engineer and I often wonder why the Chinese have a good design but totally failed to build it properly... take care and carry on making those videos 😉
@capistor1
@capistor1 3 жыл бұрын
Could you share some good links for learn more about power supply? You mention topologies maybe share some links for that too?
@francoisdastardly4405
@francoisdastardly4405 3 жыл бұрын
Very good video. Thanks !
@jesuschal3802
@jesuschal3802 3 жыл бұрын
Why some circuits, like this one, should nor run on empty load (therefore there is an internal one)?
@jooch_exe
@jooch_exe 3 жыл бұрын
I have the same power supply only 24V / 21A. It actually was able to deliver 560W before the voltage started to drop. Mine has 13009's in it, very curious how this one will perform!
@stanimir4197
@stanimir4197 3 жыл бұрын
at 21A you'd be horrified by the voltage ripple, I suppose
@TeacherBrunoOneil
@TeacherBrunoOneil Жыл бұрын
I need the value of the first inductor before the bridge rectifier.. please.
@superdau
@superdau 3 жыл бұрын
No power factor correction either (easy to tell by the voltage selector switch), which should really be there at 600W.
@HighestRank
@HighestRank 3 жыл бұрын
@ the price he pay, China get to fool you, you don’t get to fool the utility people.
@valdisblack1541
@valdisblack1541 3 жыл бұрын
Chinese PSUs are just like a cars in Soviet Union -- you should disassemble and reassemble them after the purchase to make they work finally. And don't forget to file some sharp edges! ;D
@Broken_Yugo
@Broken_Yugo 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I got a 12V 20A a while back, same deal. Full of solder balls, big inductors and transformer had cores that rattled and buzzed, fake or recycled "Nippon Chemicon" mains filter caps, not enough thermal compound, etc. I cleaned it up and it works fine though.
@youneshamache3314
@youneshamache3314 3 жыл бұрын
with capacitors filled with wax i'll be surprised if it can deliver 50amps ! and btw great video as always can't wait for the next episode, thank you !
@danieltait123
@danieltait123 3 ай бұрын
mine maxes out at 12,3v , can i change anything to achive higher voltage (13.8)
@piconano
@piconano 3 жыл бұрын
I have one that looks exactly like it. It's a 60V version and only 8 Amps. Mine has only one transistor and one diode. The space for the extras are left blank. Also, the two power resistors driving the bases are in parallel and have a very weird value. It uses an LD7575 PWM controller chip, One 20N60S5 N-MOSFET and one 20JL2C Diode. Maybe it just looks the same, but I think they are all the same PCB, with different resistors for different voltages. What is the numbers on the 2 PTCs? I can't read the markings on mine. They both blew up open circuit and the markings have left the building!
@DiodeGoneWild
@DiodeGoneWild 3 жыл бұрын
The PTCs are marked 5D-15. One transistor? 60V 8A means 480W, that's way too much for a flyback, but in a 1 transistor forward I'd expect 800-900V transistor. Weird.
@richardnanis
@richardnanis 3 жыл бұрын
Great findings, Diode! Its a shame they build all these cheap power supplies with recycled used parts and even pay a lot of attention to hide the mistakes and problems. I have never seen a electrolytic Cap like this put in wax to hide bulging! They should put at least the same attention into mounting the heatsinks! :-) I am interested in seeing the proper load test for this device with 50Amps! You could use some big resistive wire or some power resistors as well together with the lamps if not enough. Please also try a modification of the output voltage which will probably be quite easy with these cheap supplies. In most cases a simple voltage devider at the TL431 will do i guess. Maybe you have to investigate some precaution for too low and too high voltage.
@MarineElectrical
@MarineElectrical 11 ай бұрын
Shame? Did you expect something else in this overconsuming world? Actually this is very good practice to recycle!
@catalinbadalan4463
@catalinbadalan4463 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like those caps have passed through a car body shop! :)
@GAURAVKUMAR1019
@GAURAVKUMAR1019 3 жыл бұрын
Hi I have a 24v 4.5 A class II( two wire-L and N). I want to add earth wire( ie L , N plus earth). What suitable caps I need to add ? And their rating ? Can anyone help ?
@godfreypoon5148
@godfreypoon5148 3 жыл бұрын
That clamp bar arrangement isn't horrible. It tends to apply force more evenly than a screw through the package hole.
@DrakenFireen
@DrakenFireen 3 жыл бұрын
i gotten a few of similar power supplies, and yes ALL those parts are recycled, those capacitor are recycled from returned or failed units were they clean em up and re wrap the skin on em, plus all those parts are off the shelf components you can get em in bulk for under 5$, its not surprising that parts look similar or slightly off cause there grabbed from a bucket in a factory. i work for an electronic company and we find these trash parts "new" from china but there just salvaged from rejected parts. also those boards you can get for 1$ at PCB factories there a common board that you can get as you can use that board in that video for 12v 20amp 220watt to 600Watt as you then need a bigger board to add more Moffsets and 2 more rows of capacitors. However this is the first time i seen the wax fill, as most would use pliers to press em back into shape as you peel the skin off the cylinder has tool marks and rust spots from old tools and there metals touching the bare tin casing. Anyways good video, love seeing someone looking into these power supplies since there are soo many of em and there getting harder to find quality ones.
@ronniepirtlejr2606
@ronniepirtlejr2606 Жыл бұрын
They use a pair of pliers to pull these capacitors off and recycle them before putting them on this board. They sightly crushed the capacitors in the process. It looks like they tried to fill in the dents with wax before rewrapping them. Strange?
@MyMcMichael
@MyMcMichael 3 жыл бұрын
14:53 Is it a bridge on the right MOSFET????? between Drain and Source ?
@PCbolt17
@PCbolt17 3 жыл бұрын
15:08 eeeevaannn morrr... Laaammmpppp.......
@Asraful_x
@Asraful_x 3 жыл бұрын
Haha... So much 🤣 funny 🤣... Waiting for next part
@TzOk
@TzOk 3 жыл бұрын
It is very similar to the Ender 3 PSU, and it has the same text about the fan.... but that one is a half-bridge topology, with KA7500 control chip.
@satishkumar-gg5fm
@satishkumar-gg5fm 3 жыл бұрын
Great sir 👍 Plz Make video about your temperature metar..
@Bushougoma
@Bushougoma 3 жыл бұрын
11:55 that capacitor is a Rubycon only they make caps with K shaped vents. Likely taken from used electronics and re sleeved so they could use caps from multiple manufacturers and make them look like they're the same. Geez with those huge dents in the side I'm surprised the dielectric between the plates wasn't damaged. Nothing more exciting than caps at mains voltage shorting out.
@anwarpspsanwar
@anwarpspsanwar Жыл бұрын
Perfect I like very much thanks you
@user-cz4gy7em2i
@user-cz4gy7em2i 3 жыл бұрын
I have VERY similar 12V 30A power supply with fake Rubicong capacitors- should I throw it away ?
@miroslavradev756
@miroslavradev756 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if this 600W PSU can actually pass conducted and radiated emissions ( I do see the CE mark, but a bit sceptical ) Anyone has a link to this exact model on eBay? I would like to put it through some tests just for fun.
@Georgy-fg3bg
@Georgy-fg3bg 3 жыл бұрын
RoHS and CE certification on the label of course. However, in the case of products from China, this means Risk of Huge Scam, or also Risk of Horible Shit. Chinese Electrocution.
@KuntalGhosh
@KuntalGhosh 3 жыл бұрын
Haha😂😂
@paolomonai9511
@paolomonai9511 3 жыл бұрын
!&😄😄😄 right!!These are the real acronyms meaning...you made my day!!!!
@milanzizka4636
@milanzizka4636 3 жыл бұрын
Normovaná krabička jako u zdrojů z východu...Ty kondy jsou asi z nějaké havárky, nebo vysypané palety..? P.S. krásná číča.
@satishkumar-gg5fm
@satishkumar-gg5fm 3 жыл бұрын
They are reaching professional Level in waxing
@HighestRank
@HighestRank 3 жыл бұрын
Wax on, wax off.
@samcoolegliding3524
@samcoolegliding3524 3 жыл бұрын
"Mum can we have electroboom?" Mum: "No son we have we have electroboom at home" Electroboom at home:
@midimoog
@midimoog 3 жыл бұрын
Does it pay to painstakingly repair dented condensers with wax? I wonder if the workers get paid for their labor at all.
@Ajjubhaifans6865
@Ajjubhaifans6865 Жыл бұрын
Sir Highlight company ka smps 12v 600w pawar tanjistar nambar F10A50SE is changed pawar tanjistar nambar kiya hoga
@akhilesh7313
@akhilesh7313 3 жыл бұрын
Ur cat is just awesome😀
@luich1288
@luich1288 3 жыл бұрын
Nippon chemi-con are very good capacitors but probably taken from scap (probably they aren't real nippon)
@superdau
@superdau 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure the label is fake. The distortion and wrinkles of it are because they didn't even bother to heatshrink it properly (not that they could. the wax would run out XD ).
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 3 жыл бұрын
One of them is actually a Nippon, the other used to be a Rubycon. You can tell by the vent shape, both are very distinct. They just salvage random capacitors and re-label them.
@luich1288
@luich1288 3 жыл бұрын
@@SianaGearz maybe, but also other capacitors uses k vent or Y vent
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 3 жыл бұрын
@@luich1288 There are now, but these are ancient caps, from way back when, i don't think anyone else did Y-shape until about 10-15 years ago and the Sanyo K-shape is different from Rubycon K-shape.
@waltercomunello121
@waltercomunello121 3 жыл бұрын
unlikely. they must have skinned them before to put wax; moreover, they look different inside.
@waltercomunello121
@waltercomunello121 3 жыл бұрын
IMO those big caps were of two different manufacturers, forcefully ripped from some appliance with pliers (there's no time or money for solder irons somewhere it would seem), ripping away paths; then their outer plastic film torn away, dents filled with wax and reskinned with some other plastic film, then tossed in a generic bin of caps to be used as parts. I'm actually surprised at the fact that they didn't give completely different capacities than those declared. if we're talking about recycling electronics parts I'm all into it, but should be some basic safety or quality issues to be taken care of. I guess you get what you pay for, and I'm aware of the fact that "safety" and "quality" are things that some people give absolutely no Fs about.
@stanimir4197
@stanimir4197 3 жыл бұрын
" recycling electronics parts..." likewise, but not in 50A appliance. Caps ESR wasn't too bad, though.
@constantinjitariu1439
@constantinjitariu1439 Жыл бұрын
I got the 12V 20A version i recieved it in exactly the same way with dented capacitors
@qazmatron
@qazmatron 3 жыл бұрын
Another cheat: With only one silicone pad, the transistors on the mains side capacitively inject current at 95kHz into the grounded chassis. The switchers I worked on in 1984 had two sil-pads with foil in-between (actually assembled as one piece). The foil in-between was connected to neutral (or one of the DC rails -- I forget which), to keep the 95kHz coupled current to the primary side. (The neutral (or hot if hot & neutral are swapped) does not inject much current into the chassis because it is only 50 or 60Hz plus harmonics. Any higher frequencies on the mains are coming in from outside.)
@danielli6648
@danielli6648 3 жыл бұрын
So these people what I'm thinking is how did they get the time to fill capacitor dent with wax or they have an easy way of doing
@rahmanaridho
@rahmanaridho 3 жыл бұрын
The wax on the capacitor is not only fill the dent but also being use for making it heavier, the same thing as sand inside the 18650 li ion battery
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 3 жыл бұрын
There isn't enough wax there to make a real difference in weight. It's just a very thin layer. Wax is less than 1g per cubic cm, sand is like double that of wax.
@rahmanaridho
@rahmanaridho 3 жыл бұрын
@@SianaGearz oh, okay. Thanks for the knowledge
@Antagon666
@Antagon666 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha full of hidden surprises !
@wegi9621
@wegi9621 2 жыл бұрын
Without PFC? Is allowed to selling?
@robson6285
@robson6285 3 жыл бұрын
I don't understand how that outputrectifiing works with that two diodes but only one secundairy winding(as shown on time 4:59). That second bottom diode between gnd and output, in a way it must always be off, that one makes no sense to me, but i see it always done that way. So why ??
@DiodeGoneWild
@DiodeGoneWild 3 жыл бұрын
The lower diode at the output of a 2 switch forward carries the current of the output inductor when the transistors are off. It works in a Continuous Conduction Mode (CCM). There's always a current in the output inductor, it just ripples a bit. The current goes through the upper diode when the transistor are on, and through the lower diode when the transistors are off. And strangely, the lower diode sees a higher average current, because a 2 switch forward runs below 50% duty cycle.
@Basement-Science
@Basement-Science 3 жыл бұрын
It is most likely a center-tapped secondary. One end of the winding is at +12V while the other is at -12V, center is ground. This way you get output current all the time and only half the voltage drop as you would with a bridge rectifier.
@robson6285
@robson6285 3 жыл бұрын
@@DiodeGoneWild WoW yes, that's a totally clear explaination! Indeed i see it now. Again something learned from you, so really, thanks a lot!!
@robson6285
@robson6285 3 жыл бұрын
@@Basement-Science no, see his own answer here above. Its superclear and even logically now!
@Basement-Science
@Basement-Science 3 жыл бұрын
@@robson6285 Ah I didnt pay enough attention. I thought it was a halfbridge topology, not a 2-switch forward. Also, Diode's answer wasn't there yet when I read your comment.
@pizzablender
@pizzablender 3 жыл бұрын
"50" amps, sure. The coil windings and component styles give it all away. That and that it only had "RoHS" as a marking... but the recycling definitely is green.
@PF-gi9vv
@PF-gi9vv 3 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing 30 amps max, anyone else? time will tell.
@kenthoughtin
@kenthoughtin 3 жыл бұрын
My father bought this power supply for his amateur radio, haven't failed since the day he bought it.
@neail5466
@neail5466 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, sir can you please teardown a HP or such server PSU, those are noisy but very reliable, so if you please explain those that will be really helpful. Chinese wax smoothing was a delight to watch.
@DIYwithBatteries
@DIYwithBatteries 3 жыл бұрын
It was Easy to Open but hard to fix it.
@UpcycleElectronics
@UpcycleElectronics 3 жыл бұрын
Help! My capacitors are leaking some kind of conformal coating... wait... A FLAMMABLE CONFORMAL COATING!!!
@linghuu2023
@linghuu2023 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have the circuit diagram of this device please
@shubhodeepmandal1499
@shubhodeepmandal1499 3 жыл бұрын
I love his accent 😍
@Shmbler
@Shmbler 3 жыл бұрын
Wax doesn't make any sense to me. I'd think that it melts when they apply heat to shrink the fake cover foil on. So much extra work when they could just have desoldered them with a little bit more care and inserted them in their original state instead. Undamaged old and used caps would be so much more trustworthy than damaged old and used caps disguised as fake quality ones.
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 3 жыл бұрын
There are probably different price grades on junk pulls - nicely pulled ones would plausibly cost more, someone messed up and fixed up the issue as best they could to still shift the product and not be stuck with just trash on their hands. Ultimately the PSU manufacturer didn't care what they're buying, counting on nobody actually looking inside, because i mean the first thing that you should notice are two different batch transistors with the same type.
@Broken_Yugo
@Broken_Yugo 3 жыл бұрын
I don't get it either, same story with how they pull chips out of sockets and then throw them in a pile, dunk them in solder, and sometimes remark them instead of giving half a shit about safe handling and selling them as the as is pulls they are. I understand the concept of dishonest practices for profit, but they'd almost certainly make more being honest here, between the reduced labor and guys like me who demand a refund when I buy "new" and get recycled shit.
@MrCh0o
@MrCh0o 3 жыл бұрын
@@SianaGearz I don't even understand how you'd need to apply such force to extract the capacitor while desoldering. Unless they actually just force-pulled it without desoldering?
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrCh0o Some of them extract components by holding the PCB over open fire. Because everything is so hot, it can be difficult to get a careful and accurate grip on things, they must be holding the board with one set of pliers and extracting components with another. And capacitors can be in pretty well, legs can be splayed due to hand placement and they're also a little chunky, it's those rivet legs.
@user-pz6cx8zf2y
@user-pz6cx8zf2y 3 жыл бұрын
For those who are not familiar with these products: A) Always multiply their Watt rating indication by the correction factor 0,48. Thus the Chinowatts are converted to Realwatts. B) Further derating of the output power might be necessary, depending on the ambient temperature and humidity of the installation place. As a rule of thumb, use minus 30 Watt per degree Celcious, above the 18 degrees C ambient temperature. C) There is nothing wrong with their waxed caps. It's merely an innovation of the Chinon Shiticon, the original manufacturer, used in order to destroy their competitors. D) Always wear protective glasses when you see these caps working. They tend to explode unexpectedly, if you stared at them...E) Enjoy your buying preference safely and happily!
@rnbv3418
@rnbv3418 3 жыл бұрын
You are the best
@gmac8852
@gmac8852 10 ай бұрын
Been power 2 5k chinese diesel heaters for 3 years with 1 of these and it is showing no signs of trouble.
@RainBitcoins
@RainBitcoins 5 ай бұрын
The wax is just crazy....oh my god wow.
@peterzeboroff7448
@peterzeboroff7448 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, a lot of these kind of power supplies generally look fairly well made for a Chinese product, however this particular one looks much more cheaply made then the usual low quality ones from China.
@gabrielefestuccia3834
@gabrielefestuccia3834 3 жыл бұрын
i bought one of them. Output capacitor failed at the third use.
@radeksvozil8109
@radeksvozil8109 3 жыл бұрын
I have exact same power suply on my 3d printer! Great video! CZ: Mám ho už od roku 2018 a jede každej den úplně bez problémů.
@DiodeGoneWild
@DiodeGoneWild 3 жыл бұрын
Asi není zatíženej na plno, nebo jen krátce :)
@Random_4400
@Random_4400 2 жыл бұрын
this would be perfect for a car amplifier if you want to use it indoors :)
@Martin1N4007
@Martin1N4007 3 жыл бұрын
vyděl jsem hodně, ale kondenzátor plněnej voskem??? Tak to je hodně :D
@BrucesWorldofStuff
@BrucesWorldofStuff 3 жыл бұрын
Bloody Hell! Thanks for the video! LLAP
@ceilingfanmusic6597
@ceilingfanmusic6597 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 12v 333.3amp powersupply in this format (same case) but it has more parts in it then this one
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