Thanks! I'll take that into account :)

Agreed, any tips you randomly drop as you play we’d like to hear

Haha glad it worked out!

check how much stone a castle cost for him

@@3werder3 frank bonus makes it cheaper

Sorry, don't know of any such cases :P

Look up Sunomata Castle. Toyotomi Hideyoshi was an actual castle dropper.

Edward Longshanks

Thanks! I do, look for a video called ''Adal Vs. Modri - Clown Cup 3 - Casted by JonSlow''

@@DruzhinaAoE but a video like this? (having a specific goal). That is what I want.

@@diegoragot655 What kind of goal do you mean? In this video my goal was specifically to drop a couple forward castles and go Imperial Age as quickly as possible to make trebuchets

@@DruzhinaAoE yeah, I mean doing a video (playing as the Franks or Slavs) and doing an specific rush against an specific civilization.

Hey, sorry for the late response. To force drop at the TC you simply right-click at it with your selected vils carrying resources. You can guide the rams with your scout by moving it behind them, they will be pushed in the opposite direction of the Scout. While it isn't necessary, I use a hotkey for ''follow'' which is ''E'' with HD hotkeys, not sure about other layouts. Most of the time you only need to click ''follow'' on the ram/deer once for the Scout to automatically push it all the way, but sometimes it doesn't work, which is why I have made a habit of repeatedly clicking it just to make sure. Hope that helps answering your questions!

This was Vs bot so it literally doesn't matter. The concept of super quick castle drop isn't breaking new ground. The real issue is that he faced no opposition in dropping the castle at all. A human would build rams at the back. Also, sometimes you won't be able to deny 3 piles with just one or two castles. Edit: also no attempt to wall behind the first walls. Even dedicated arena players don't do castle drops this early for a reason

I adapted it for Ethiopia, you can actually drop the castle at about the same time because of the free 200 food and 200 gold you get with your eco bonus, and the hope is basically to just flood with Shotel warriors Only played one game with it so far and it didn’t go well but to be fair I did mess it up

But yeah I mean this is a super clowny build, it’s not going to win against good players but 1100 MMR and below it probably works Of course good players tend not to pick arena anyway because that map sucks

You always pair castle drop with a forward siege, if they are going fast imp, they won't have any army to defend your push

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll consider doing that one of these days :)

You mean how to set way-points for the scout? You can do that by selecting the scout, then holding down shift as you right-click up to 10 (?) times, once you're satisfied with your way-points, release the shift key and right click one more time to activate the pattern of way-points which your scout will follow. Hope that helps!

not on arena. most people just go scouts monk and go greed. I think this is more of a arena specific strat

This is definitely cpu. The human player pushed deer.... every player above 900 elo knows how to play the first 15 mins of arena. 24-28 pop into feudal into castle. Time will be 14-17 mins castle time. Those pops and timings are very basic that any player who uses hot keys can get. This is either a very low player (under 900 elo) or a cp

I do like the fast castle. Gives me an idea to yolo it with fast forward castles, keep as many vils on stone, only 1-3 on farms for vil production and few on wood to overwhelm the opponent with castles

Yeah, against a human, the second castle shouldn't have gone up. Red can prevent the second castle by towering the gold (plus a military that has been building up after seeing the forward).

I feel like up to 1200 Elo this will be unstoppable

Yeah getting them once advancing to the next age would be good

agree

but then whoever has the better army comp would automatically win. Aslo there are maps for that like black forest or arena.

Haha I have been very slow to learn new hotkeys, I have improved a little bit since then :P

Hotkeys are for plebs

Thanks! This was vs a bot, just to illustrate the build order. If you want to see it in a real game check out my video ''Adal Vs. Modri - Clown Cup 3 - Casted by JonSlow''. At the time I was 1680ish and he 2k2, so obviously I was doomed from the start, but you can see it can have some potential, even when not executed as nicely as here :)

@@DruzhinaAoE I feel kinda stupid now but ok :D

@@ET_AYY_LMAO Np! it happens to everyone at times. Confusing a bot for a player I mean.

@@DruzhinaAoE Yeah, coz they're really frigging good.

I think I did? Would be a huge mistake not to 11

Thanks! The Franks bonuses' makes it easier, though yes I can imagine you can pull this off with other civs as well, though it will be very tight and you may have to use the market a bit more to afford a castle at a decent time :)

@@DruzhinaAoE The Bulgarians are probably the best. Also, I still think you went up too quickly. This can work no problem against AI in arena, but Vs any player that scouts it won't go well

@@zachariastsampasidis8880 You can do it with Bulgarians too for sure. At 13 minutes your opponent isn't likely to have made many scouts, by the time you're at your opponents wall he may have 2 scouts, which isn't enough to deny this. I have actually never been denied the castle drop with this build, even when playing against 1800+ opponents. I have won many 1500+ games with this, however, not any 1700+. So I think there is indeed a ceiling for this to work :)

@@DruzhinaAoE I think people allow themselves to be swayed by pros too much. Just because pros can typically boom fast castle and hold aggression doesn't mean even decent to great players can pull it off routinely. As such, feudal age wars are generally rare today -barring some maps and generally polarized matchups- or are very short. It's rare for example to see pro games with the players clicking up to castle age after 40 vils with one tc

@@zachariastsampasidis8880 Absolutely, you're right. Now it's make a few units, wall and go castle.

Trying to beat it to the Imperial Age, castles and trebs of your own

Yeah that's a good option too, usually when I did this I would keep expanding onwards into this base with castles as to suffocate the opponent, either with throwing axemen, siege of my own or knights all the while getting a fast imp time :)

@@DruzhinaAoE agreed. Taking map control is the way to go, either way.

Not very different, seeing as Bulgarian kreposts are just slightly cheaper, though they could arguably be better to push with in the castle age, instead of going Imperial you could sue the resources to do an all-in castle age push with rams and konniks + more kreposts

@@DruzhinaAoE try that next!

The only disadvantage is that it might be easier to see it coming. Bulgarians are known for Krepost rush whereas it is rare to expect a castle drop this early.

@@DanielGomez-jf7ns that’s true but if you did it that quickly it might still be pretty hard to stop

@@DanielGomez-jf7ns That's a good point!

You click and hold the control key while placing the buildings. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching!

@@DruzhinaAoE thank you for the quick response and helpful vid!

@@micah5172 my pleasure brother. God bless

Thanks! Yeah I've had some issues with my mic, I'll remember to lower my in-game audi :)

@@DruzhinaAoE it really sounds like you are talking low and quiet. It might be your natural voice, but I'd recommend speaking up and projecting a bit more. Good posture, use your diaphragm, all the same things you hear about public speaking or presentation skills.

@@aaronlagermann8556 Thanks! I'm really struggling with that, continuously talking saying long sentences. Will try to work on it! :)

lol for real?

Yes

What?

Uuum... did you just assume my gender? this is SO going on reddit... LOLZERS

On a serious note though, I am sorry it was so low, it has been a problem I've had for the longest time, it's either that or a lot of static noise with my poor mic, I'm sorry.

Thanks for the feedback, I've been trying to raise the volume of my mic somehow but to no avail unfortunately. I will try to lower the in-game sounds like ou suggested

More like a Virus. Don't click it. That link should be taken down, IMO

In most cases no, in this scenario however it's justified seeing as the build is so tight and Franks' castles are cheaper. However, since making this Video I have experienced further with similar build orders and found that it's much better to send the last villager being created before advancing to feudal to go collect 30 gold (no mining camp, just walking 3 trips collecting 30 gold). This way you can instead sell 100 wood for 70 gold, doing that in addition to your 30 gold collected is a much more efficient way of doing it. It's also good when going for a straight boom.

That could be a good idea actually, I'll give it a try!

Yes, of course. Search for Adal vs Modri clown cup for a real example vs a 2k3+ player :)

@@DruzhinaAoE Imagine theviper using your fast castle drop technique, he is gonna copy that I think :p This could be useful for very aggressive strategies. Im gonna try it myself, good vid man!

@@theextremeviking Thanks haha, Yeah would be crazy. I think it can be very effective vs boomers, but it will struggle vs someone who goes fast imp

Thanks for the feedback. It is hard to be articulate while focusing on getting the build right, so I might start talking more in depth over recorded games. But I will certainly lower the game sound :)

1700 on a good day. Appreciate it!

@@DruzhinaAoE You Should do analysis on updates or mechanics.

@@yoyodude-aoe2726 Thanks, but I'm not enough of a nerd to get deep into that kind of thing :)

@@DruzhinaAoE LOL I meant your views. T-west does the nerdy stuff

It is true you'll see castle drops more often in lower elo games, although I got pretty close to beating a top 5 Arena player (rated 2k4 RM) using this specific build. Look up ''Adal Vs. Modri - Clown Cup 3 - Casted by JonSlow''

What is the new AI update?

Technically yes!

You are without a doubt the first to use the market selling stone going up this early, this is never gonna be an issue. Most build orders rely on sheep too, but they can easily be stolen, yet they're still build orders. Thanks!

Trying to deny a castle drop with a tower is usually a pretty desperate and risky measure that we rarely see working on a moderate to high level. As the distance from the tower to the castle builders would be great enough to easily micro the vils around to avoid shots. By the time you'd have to move villagers towards the edge of the wall to build a tower the castle builder would almost be done building the castle by the time your tower is up, granted the castle builder has 6-7 vils building, which will almost certainly finish building it, making the tower a waste of stone and idle time. From my own experience players haven't tried to counter my castle with a tower past the 1500 ELO mark and up to 2k+ level for the reasoning stated above, it's not because they're not bright enough to think of it, but because they measure the risk and unlikelihood of it working, it's just not worth it vs someone committed to castle drop so early. Watch my game vs Modri as part of Clown Cup 3 to see how a pro would handle it :)

@@DruzhinaAoE Always depending on situation but making it like you made it in this video. Is possible to denied that castle by tower. And that second castle. Not AI player will not let you build that one without any army.

The point of the video is the build order and strategy, not entertainment

@@DruzhinaAoE okay then good job man

@@aligezer6866 Thanks! I appreciate it :)

Cuz without any army(such low eco build orders), you got very little map control with only one castle. Even counter attack with monk seige or anyhing can kill you easily, you have nothing to defend yourself. Not to mention high elo players can easily figure out your strategy by scouting, payig attention to up time and market price. Once forward castle got denied, its GG.

@@kevinvince2011 I have won many games using this strategy at the 1600 level, it works great. I remember practising for my match against Modri for Clown Cup 3 with Kellar where I did this too him, I got to a similar situation like in this video, you would have thought they would be able to see this coming, and deny it with scouts, but for whatever reason they couldn't make scouts fast enough to deny it, even if he would have gotten a scout together with his initial scout it wouldn't be enough to deny 6 vils and a Frank scout. Can easily quick wall and fight them off. I have never had my Castle denied doing this lol. While you are right, this does give the opponent a chance to counter attack, but you can just as easily make a defensive castle at home denying a castle age push. And because this is Franks, Throwing Axemen are great at dealing with rams, not to mention if I am aware of the situation I can simply make a siege workshop of my own and mangonel the rams from behind my castle. So in my experience I think the best way to deal with this is to try to match the Imp time, ideally going for bombard cannons and arbalests, that is what has been the ''pro'' approach from actual 2k players in dealing with this.

It is a bot. The purpose of this video is not an entertaining game but to show a Build Order for Arena.