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Does that attack of opportunity goes to the investigator that it's currently engaged with or does it go to the investigator that is making the engage action? Also, I play true solo, if I do an engaged action on an exhausted enemy, does it do an attack of opportunity on me?

@@ziggman13 the attack of opportunity only happens against the investigator making the engage action if they are already engaged with a different enemy. The attack of opportunity comes from the enemy the investigator was already engaged with so if that enemy was exhausted, I'm pretty sure you are safe to engage another enemy.

I was about the post the same =D.

Thank god.

I'm pinning your comment because it's particularly relevant to the video at hand.

Can you please pinpoint to the rule which says that? Just watched a video where it says that it does disengage and after that at upkeep can change the engaged investigator.

@@PlayingBoardGames Also important: enemies only exhaust after they attack in the Enemy Phase. Not when they make an attack of opportunity.

Gloria Goldberg’s investigator card ability text is a stark reminder of that rule.

I know right!, the game just got easier for me lol

So all doom on all locations and on all enemies?

@ Yeah, and all player cards too, like Arcane Initiate. Only noticed in a campaign that have cards specifically saying that you don’t remove them.

some times its like 5 doom on each cultist and that why im lossing. ill keep that in mind for future games, and dodge everything.

@@qwertyman459 But those on cultists also count to agenda threshold

Than it only disangeages if you evade? Because I just started playing true solo, this is kind of important

@@ziggman13 Yes if I recall correctly that is the only basic way to get an enemy to disengage. (Or by Engaging it with another Investigator, but that doesn't work in true solo.)

That's really a big one, we did wrong for several campaigns. It also applies to weaknesses of a treachery type, like "Internal Injury" or (there's the proof) "Narcolepsy".

Oh huge! Did not know that!

Other investigators can only commit 1 skill card to someone else's test right?

This is a big one I only discovered last year. Great for those weakness cards that take two actions to discard. Anyone at your location can use two of their actions to discard it for you.

That is a very good point. Maybe we can make a video discussing this in the future.

@@PlayingBoardGames Although to be fair, playing it like that also adds to the concept of the game, and makes it even harder. And it doesn't break any rule, since you can choose where it spawns. You don't have to, but if you like getting hurt, you can 😁

Correct. And therefore the Prey doesn't come into effect because Prey breaks ties during engagement. And if the enemy doesn't disengage then it doesn't leave the player threat area.

Does the enemy exhaust after attacks of opportunity?

@@Doreenrrrr No. Only in the enemy phase. (Or if a card effect (very rare) says "attacks as if it were the enemy phase.")

@@anaphysik cheers bud

I didn’t know this one. Thanks

Commenting on this 9 months later to say I'll finally have my first spoiler/non-spoiler review of a custom campaign coming out in the near future.

@@PlayingBoardGames Great, thank you very much and looking forward to watch it

Good idea

This is a really important rule. It stems from the general ruling you cover that Weaknesses are considere Encounter Cards if in the Threat Area. Super-duper important. Note - COSTS can only be paid by the cards or effects the person taking the Action controls. Eg. Roland's Hospital Debts - anyone can pay the cost (resources) from their own resource pool, but only Roland can pay from Roland's pool! Eg. Akachi's Angered Spirits - anyone can exhaust a spell they control, but you can't exhaust someone else's spell.

So with treachery cards, can other investigators perform tests, like having the Mystic take the Willpower test if they're at that location but they didn't draw it?

In the case of Frozen in Fear you can’t because it’s not an action. But you can ask a mystic on your location to get rid of a Dream’s of R’Lyeh.

This sort of linguistic confusion is why when I'm talking about "Prey ... only" I try to always use ellipses.

Yeah, played this wrong for a while and when I realised it changed the way I thought about those treachery cards that have you perform a test and take x damage/horror where x is the amount you fail by.

I'm glad we've helped. Thanks for watching. :)

I do not understand why this matters for the mythos face or upkeep. Let say A B and C are playing the first round. A starts, then B and finally C. Ennemi phase : nobody. Upkeep : they do it in the same order. Next round : mythos phase. A has to draw first, then B and finally C. Investigator phase : B starts first, then C and finally A. Upkeep phase : do they play in BCA order or still ABC ? And for the next mythos phase, do they play BCA or ABC as it was at the beginning. I have the feeling it should be the second option while reading your comment but i never played this way.

@@vsVeigar In the Mythos Phase, the lead investigator always draws their encounter card first, followed by other investigators in clockwise order ("in player order") -- this can matter for fringe cases like Alyssa Graham/Scrying where information is known about the top of the encounter deck, and can also matter if, say, the lead investigator moves due to On Wings of Darkness and this changes what other investigators they can/can't commit a card to, to help with a skill test on *their* encounter card. Turns in the investigation phase aren't done "in player order", so the group just chooses someone to go first, and then after that turn ends they choose someone to go next, and so on.

I think I've been playing this right. The hunters get their own sub-phase before the enemy attacking happens, getting them into place to join in. Hunter enemies are awful.

Unrelated: When you explore, you draw until you find a treachery, an enemy (in Return to TFA), or a location *that matches the criteria of the ability that caused you to explore*. There's only one scenario where this isn't "a connecting location" (The Boundary Beyond, where it's a location that's the same as your location), and I have never seen anyone get that wrong when playing that scenario since it's written right there on the card, but while we're talking about the rules I might as well point that out.

If it has spawn instructions, it spawns according to those instructions. Otherwise, it spawns with the player who draws it.

I chalk it up to their in-group terminology. Its charming hearing them say that Wendy has no punch

To expound a bit further: even though Prey does almost nothing in game, players still need to spend mental overhead thinking about whether or not it *could* matter, and it requires players to process the ability when first reading the card (which can also reduce ability to process the other aspects of a card). It eats time and mental effort and textbox space, so it's *worse* than just doing nothing. Most Prey enemies would be better for game-enjoyment if they just had a cleaner, emptier text box (let alone other possibilities like using that space for fun flavor text).

There's actually no lockpick involved in Manual Dexterity's art. it's just someone that tries to crack a safe combination simply using their hand and their senses.

That is correct.

@@PlayingBoardGames thanks :)

Yup! That's correct.

Yes, this is why Darrell is so good.

Enemies only exhaust after attacking in the enemy phase.

Once we're back in person you'll be able to see all of our faces again. ;)

I don't see anything about spawning on the card, arkhamdb.com/card/01107. "Forced abilities initiate and interact with the game state automatically at a specified timing point." Whatever it says, at the time it says to activate, then you do it if you can.

If an enemy is exhausted through evasion, then it won't be engaged to that investigator anymore. If it is engaged to an investigator, then yes, another investigator can "pull" it off with an engage action. Enemies only exhaust after attacking during the enemy phase, do not disengage, and will quickly ready in the upkeep phase. Enemies do not exhaust after attacks of opportunity.

@blinxy511's response is totally correct. However, you are allowed to engage any non-Massive enemy at your location that is not already in your threat area (barring any special text that stops you from doing so). It's not very efficient behavior to evade and then re-engage an enemy, but you might need to do it sometimes to ensure the enemy doesn't go after other investigators at your location.

Both previous answers are 100% correct. Additionally, the Lumbering Gug mentioned in the video would also spend time engaged with an investigator while exhausted during the enemy phase. In all cases, you can "pull" it off another investigator. Often it's necessary to avoid dealing damage to an investigator by failing your fight test on an enemy they are engaged with, or to play a card that only works with enemies you are engaged with.

In your example of attacking with Shriveling, you'll commit mind symbols. You are right that it's because you're using your mind instead of fist.

If by activating you mean playing it from your hand then yes, the enemy will attack you. If by activating you mean using its action (with an arrow) when it is already in play, then no, just like any other weapon

On my first playthrough I like to be surprised, so I don't examine them then or, in future runs, if they have multiples that they could be I don't examine them either. It's more fun to be surprised. I only look for the location's symbol.

You can choose to lose 1 (if you don't have more) but not 0

No, the autofail will always cause you to fail.

X resources. Zoey loves a swarm.

They don't.

They have to be separate actions.

Basically, anything that says "Action: Do (thing) with (modifiers)" doesn't work with another similarly formatted thing. They are separate actions. But they will work with stuff that says "When doing (thing), (modifiers) happens." So Sharpshooter works with the Fight action on any firearm, but having multiple weapons out generally just gives you different options.

In that case, no one would get attacked. Engage actions only trigger attack of opportunities from enemies the person taking the engage action are currently engaged with.

So this means that if investigators 1 and 2 are in the same place and each of them is engaged with an enemy, that if for example investigator 1 would now, while being engaged with his own enemy, decide to help investigator 2 to free himself, engage that investigators enemy, then the enemy he is already engaged with would trigger an attack of opportunity. Is that correct?

@@shadeinthedark1308 That is correct!

While we are at the subject and thanks for your time and wisdom, can I „attack“ an enemy without being engaged to it? For example if two investigators are at the same location and one is engaged with an enemy, can the second investigator then attack (fight test) and deal damage to that enemy without first engaging it?

@@shadeinthedark1308 Yes, you can attack enemies engaged with other investigators. However, if you fail and miss the attack, you'll deal the damage of the attack to the investigator engaged with that enemy.

no you are not allowed. 1st: You commit a skill card to a test. You can only commit skill icons to tests, when there are at least one matching skill icons. 2nd: Minh's ability adds a skill icon (?) to the commited card. Have a good one :)

@@danieladam1545 so i can't because the ? Icone is added after we commit the card, and I actually can't commit it if it doesnt have the icone i test at the first glance. Is this what you're saying ? Thank you

@@vsVeigar Thats what I'm saying :) Ur welcome

It still only cares about book because that's the only skill being tested. The other skill is being added to the test, but because it isn't being tested, committed cards won't add those icons.

@@PlayingBoardGames I've definitely been playing that wrong then. Luckily doesn't come up all that often. Thank you for explaining.

You cannot commit a Vicious Blow to a Shriveling action because it uses brain while Vicious Blow commits for a fist.

Is it really that big? This almost never matters because they ready during the upkeep phase immediately after the enemy attack phase. There are only a few situations with exceptional rules where this matters, like the Lumbering Gug they mention.

So big, in fact, that I think that is the exact reason you are told to put engaged enemies in your threat zone. That way it can be exhausted while still avoiding confusion over the enemy being evaded or just exhausted but still engaged.

It's under Modifiers in the Rules Reference, which says that "A quantity on a card (such as a stat, an icon, a number of instances of a trait or keyword) cannot be reduced so that it functions with a value below zero. Negative modifiers in excess of a value's current quantity can be applied, but, after all active modifiers have been applied, any resultant value below zero is treated as zero." It then proceeds with an example which also explains the rule's interaction with Lucky.

@@BalooSJ Thanks for taking the time to answer my question! I was definitely looking in the wrong place then. :)

Each new agenda starts without any doom, so yes, you get a bunch of turns on each new agenda.

Permanent cards does not count towards deck size and all cards start in play. Permanents cannot be removed from game due to any game effect. Your "normal" deck size written on the back cannot be changed, but cards can be added to your deck, which not counting towards deck size

@@peterhilger4461 I feel like I’m still missing something. If I take shrewd analysis (a zero level perm card) at character creation would that allow me to take an extra card in order to bring deck size back to 30? (In Essenes making it a free ability for any seeker). Or would I start with 29 and have a free card slot to upgrade to at the end of the first scenario? Either way would there ever be a reason for a seeker or someone with access to seeker cards to not take Shrewd Analysis?

@@biznesstime83 Again, permanent card do not count towards decksize. They are also never in your drawing deck and so never on your hand. Permanent cards will be placed somewhere in you area and just stay there.

@@peterhilger4461 So If you built your deck you can virtually take 10 permanent level 0 cards and still have to built your deck with the (mostly) 30 cards + random basic weakness (which could also be a permanent if you draw indebted) and your two character specific cards. Taking Shrewd Analysis makes only sense if you plan to take two of the special level 0 cards which the trait "unidentified" or "untranslated", because it allows you do upgrade both the to cost of only one. But the big, and for me this is a major downgrade, you cannot choose to which upgraded version of you initial cards you go. For me playing this game a very long time and playing a lot of seekers i never play this card because i want to decide on my own, how i upgrade my untranslated and/or unidentified cards. The other permant level one card "arcane reasearch" is a whole different story. It gives you a mental trauma but over the span of a 8 scneario in a campain it gives you basically 14 exp points for free ( 7 times 2 exp). This tradeoff i normally always take as a mystic (in 80% of my mystic games I even take two of them to start with 2 mental tauma but have double spell upgrade exp cost reduction)

@@peterhilger4461 * Permanent cards will be placed there at the start of every game

If it's been engaged by another investigator, a "Prey only" enemy is stuck with them (and will indeed attack them). (You can confirm this in the Prey rules, btw.) Note however, that if the engagement is broken (generally due to evading), the "Prey only" enemy won't engage again. Also note that in order for a non-Prey investigator to engage the "Prey only" enemy, they'll have to manually engage them e.g. via the engage action. Unlike most enemies, a "Prey only" enemy won't automatically engage anyone except its Prey. Although as a further note to that, unlike with aloof there's nothing stopping an investigator from just attacking a "Prey only" enemy that's just sitting there.

@@anaphysik Thanks for the reply. I knew most of the other stuff, but still was slightly unsure, if another investigator could engage to stop the movement to the pray.

You need to engage an aloof enemy before you can attack it. Yes, if you fail an attack against an enemy with retaliate that a teammate is engaged with you, you damage them and the retaliate hits you.

This ^

We might not have been clear in the video, but we're aware of what you're explaining, and you're correct. We were speaking more if player A (engaged to an enemy) wanted to engage a different enemy.

We are interpreting it correctly. Engaging provokes an attack of opportunity. It does not provoke an attack if you engage an enemy another player has and you have no enemy because there is nothing to provoke an attack of opportunity from. However, if you have an enemy and you engage an enemy, it provokes attacks of opportunity. We could've explained this in greater detail.

@@PlayingBoardGames Thanks for the clarification, I was also confused. Now it's clear :)

The attack of opportunity happens after costs have been paid, but before the action itself has been resolved. So the normal sequence would be: 1. I spend an action to Engage. 2. I check to see if I am engaged with an enemy who will attack me. 3. I resolve the effects of the action meaning I engage the new enemy, putting it into my threat area and resolving any other effects that happen when I engage an enemy (e.g. Zoey getting rich). So if I'm free at stage 2, everything's cool. If I already am engaged with an enemy, that enemy is going to thwack me for ignoring it.

If you look up the rules for attacks of opportunity. If you are engaged with an enemy and then engage another enemy, the enemy you are engaged with will attack you. This is because attacks of opportunity trigger on any actions that are not fight, evade, parley, or resign.

@@PlayingBoardGames Thank you! You really have to read that twice to come to the aha effect.

@@PlayingBoardGames And I might be too much into Arkham Horror 3rd Edition, where meeting a monster as an effect of movement means, that you automatically are engaged with that monster. This is different in the card game

Honestly, you're 100% right. It was later on in our Arkham life where we all collectively realized engages caused attacks of opportunity.

They are. But many are in the Rules Reference book and some people don't read it presuming the Learn to Play book explains everything.

@@wadesutton4148 Ok, but as far as I know the rule reference book is recommended only if players get confused, or to say use along the play. Some of these rules sound way important and should be pretty much highlighted at 1st. But tnx for direction in any way :)

That's a side effect of how Fantasy Flight Games makes their rulebooks. They make it easy to learn, but hard to master. With a lot of these rules, they come up rarely enough that the cases where players play them wrong don't really break the game, but bend it in either direction. There's definitely a case for players reading the rule reference, but we hope this video is a nice starting point for new players to grasp some of the more edge case rules.

@@PlayingBoardGames Thanks for the video and clear ups.

Isn't it true that you cannot do it only if you don't have any resource? Like if you have 1 you actually do change a game state so you can make that choice. Is that not true?

@@Shoggunik I don't think you can, if you aren't able to fully fulfill. There are some nuances to this, but in generell you have to do all to make the choice. But that is often discussed and there are many people who interpret it differently. But I don't think there is a definitive explanation to this in the FAQ/Rules Reference.

@@Nerdmeetsyou :( damn this is one of the thing I usually wonder about. Recently we decided to accept the ruling that if it changes the state it is ok. I guess I'll look around and look for this again to see if I can support one solution or the other better.

@@Shoggunik my interpretation of the rules is that you cannot take a choice that isn't there. Like you can't just randomly do an attack action of there isn't an enemy. But let me know if you find anything contradicting this.

@@Nerdmeetsyou I may have an example that's kind-of similar: I think you can investigate even when there's no clue in the location. Could be useful in some cases.

We could've explained this better. Enemies only exhaust when they attack in the enemy phase. Attacks of opportunity happen outside of that phase, so they don't cause the enemy to exhaust.

@@PlayingBoardGames so if they have retaliate and exhausted, do they retaliate if i missed ? Or will they ready. Or if they are exhausted they stay like that until end of clean up round

An evaded enemy with retaliate doesn't retaliate if you miss. They stay exhausted and don't ready until clean-up.

The lead investigator has to be decided at the start of the game. However, each round, when the investigator phase begins, the players may choose the order that the player's turns are resolved.

@@PlayingBoardGames Thx. I know that. But does all players order need to be decided for the whole round in order or this can be decided turn after turn?

Turn after turn.

@@PlayingBoardGames Great. Thx.

yes doom on the agenda is in play! ;) you have to count it for sure