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1438 Serious Power From Tiny Things - 30 Watts From A Small Stepper Motor

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Robert Murray-Smith

Robert Murray-Smith

2 жыл бұрын

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@scottjoewill
@scottjoewill 2 жыл бұрын
I love these things. It's not even my field of work or study. It's just so cool to see someone rip it down to it's core components and describe how it works.
@dansloan6301
@dansloan6301 2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised when you added the 90 degree drill attachment, I can only imagine it was to take the load away from the little stepper motor bearing/bushing? I would wager that 90 degree gearbox is you’re biggest efficiency drop, was it making all the noise? Great video as usual!
@samhorowitz7593
@samhorowitz7593 Жыл бұрын
Stunning Results!
@ari197
@ari197 2 жыл бұрын
always wanted something like this at the house .. so i could tell my kids .. if you want to play vid-games, first you have to generate the energy for it :D
@Bushybowl
@Bushybowl 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen a video by Jeremy Fielding (I think that's his name) do something very similar to what you're describing
@Teknopottu
@Teknopottu 2 жыл бұрын
@@Bushybowl Yeah, he made a rowing machine with a generator powering up small battery or capacitor so kids had to take turns power up the console. Pedal generator would work perfectly leaving hands free for playing the game while generating the power needed at the same time.
@Gwydion67
@Gwydion67 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly the kind of development I thought about loudly in my comment on your former video to the topic. Again, thanks Rob.👍
@JoeJoe-pv7gm
@JoeJoe-pv7gm 2 жыл бұрын
Can you please look into the potential of actuators and their potential... Many thanks from a loyal viewer who can't afford membership but love your light you are shining
@gabrielsierra6890
@gabrielsierra6890 Жыл бұрын
So, if you connect the output of the stepper to a step down transformer, you could get 12v and a couple amps, which can be used to charge batteries
@sarchlalaith8836
@sarchlalaith8836 2 жыл бұрын
OK, that's cool. That has to be tested with your ram jet wind turbine device
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
for sure mate - cheers
@TabooRevolution13
@TabooRevolution13 2 жыл бұрын
Let's see how many amps you can get hand cranking the biggest DC motor you can find!
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
a big motor would have a lot of torque mate - the motor doesn't generate it converts my mechanical energy into electrical energy - I can only generate so much as I only have so much arm strength - 50 Watts or so would be the most I could manage I would think
@TabooRevolution13
@TabooRevolution13 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkingandTinkering We should get the Mountain to hand crank a super strong generator!
@TabooRevolution13
@TabooRevolution13 2 жыл бұрын
Robert Make a battery using holes that you drill for battery cells and... foil wrapped around.. steel wool both dipped in graphene paint.
@WileHeCoyote
@WileHeCoyote 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool! I always wondered why everyone pedaling at the gym was just going to friction and heat, rather than lights and air conditioning. Put some batteries in each machine to smooth out the variability in available power maybe, but still absolutely viable!
@elevenonethree
@elevenonethree 2 жыл бұрын
The issue is complexity and increase in cost vs energy collected
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
I agree - at least fit exercise bikes with a usb charge port!
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think that is the case mate - exercise bikes are a first world phenomenon and we love increasing complexity - take peloton as an example
@elevenonethree
@elevenonethree 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkingandTinkering I'm meaning from a product design perspective. I do agree with something like dumping into a supercap and into a simple USB charger.. it's just a little hard to justify trying to take that energy elsewhere when humans are such an ineffecient source.. the novelty of charging your own phone or as an emergency supply I think has merit.
@michaelcorbidge7914
@michaelcorbidge7914 2 жыл бұрын
Today it is feasible to provide good lighting with as little as 5 watts . A big difference to the days of 100 watt incandescent light bulbs . Bycycle power wasn't feasible for incandescent light bulbs; a generator was required.
@ProlificInvention
@ProlificInvention 2 жыл бұрын
I have discovered that the AGNI or Lynch motor makes a fantastic hand cranked generator as well as other input DC motor/generator/dynamo, with no gearbox required. They are fantastic motors for many applications...The Agni/Lynch Motor is a unique axial gap permanent magnet high power DC motor gives up to 93% efficiency, and it maintains high efficiency over a wide range of loads and speeds. It runs on D.C. up to 60 volts at which it can produce 9 Kilowatts (12 horsepower). The low shaft speed and high torque enable the use of a simple, cheap and efficient transmission in most applications. A 22 lb motor, it will run on a couple double AA batteries very slowly but with surprising torque, all the way up to running on an 90 volt EV battery and installed in a racing motorcycle!!! I would recommend them to anyone as I consider them a little known disruptive technology if they were to be mass produced at different scales/sizes.
@fritanke2318
@fritanke2318 2 жыл бұрын
Wanted to save this comment and provide one for the AI ranking algorithm. Thank you 🙂
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
I know about Lynch motors but thanks for the heads up
@ProlificInvention
@ProlificInvention 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkingandTinkering I figured you did, sorry to spam about them but I'm a huge fan of those motors and figured others would benefit knowing about them.
@bettyswallocks6411
@bettyswallocks6411 2 жыл бұрын
Is there a scrapyard, somewhere, that specialises in abandoned New Year’s Resolutions?
@hartiberlintube
@hartiberlintube 2 жыл бұрын
Well done Rob !! 👍🏻💪😁👏👏
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
cheers mate
@mikaelfransson3658
@mikaelfransson3658 2 жыл бұрын
then you fillet a exercise bike! Are this a new form of COOKING SCHOOL? Its awesome! 🙂
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
lol - engineering cookery - a whole new approach to the subject
@travismoore7849
@travismoore7849 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe if you had a spring to run a gear box motor like a C Crand light and radio.
@angelusmendez5084
@angelusmendez5084 2 жыл бұрын
Love the art touch 👏
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
I do like a nice bit of wood mate lol
@DiyEcoProjects
@DiyEcoProjects 2 жыл бұрын
Ooo! thats a good-in 😊 I think youre turning out to be a bit of a "exersize bike" whisperer too. I think manufacturers should be proud you give them a second life. All the best, have fun
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
lol - I just don't understand why so many of these get thrown away
@rayg436
@rayg436 2 жыл бұрын
Great job Robert Looking forward to your next video
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
cheers mate
@honda4004
@honda4004 2 жыл бұрын
love the plaster .reminds me of kenny everitts sketches .but serious . i always pour some hydrogen peroxide mix with water on cuts as it aids recovery and cleaneses the cut quick .having myself had cellulitis from such i learnt my lesson and do it all the time now
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
nice tip mate - cheers
@bren106
@bren106 2 жыл бұрын
So in essence it's the bicycle tyre dynamo with a lot more complexity built in.
@jasonhaymanonthedrawingboard
@jasonhaymanonthedrawingboard 2 жыл бұрын
Blood hell 150v that’s mental. That ripe for a transformer. That mains electricity with a few tweaks. I’d only need a human hamster wheel with a cat to make that work. £150 life time supply of electricity. Well done rob!
@____________________________.x
@____________________________.x 2 жыл бұрын
I predict getting zero watts from a cat 😹
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
cheers mate
@mikebermea9366
@mikebermea9366 5 ай бұрын
This needs to be connected to a stirling engine powered by your sand battery rocket stove!
@Twistedmetal-qe8kx
@Twistedmetal-qe8kx 2 жыл бұрын
Okay, this is getting serious. Time to break out the Class 0 electrical gloves, lol 😆
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
lol
@martinda7446
@martinda7446 2 жыл бұрын
A top cyclist can generate maybe 400W for short periods. A fit person should manage to keep up 100W. for an hour or so. Somebody said here in the comments about harvesting that energy at the gym... If you regularly had a bunch of ten fit guys you could expect to run the gym almost! One to two KW/h. You may need to hire a guy with a whip. Edit: Generators can be very efficient too so minimal losses with careful design. 30 watts seems absolutely in keeping with a single arms power, just about exactly what you would expect.
@AdricM
@AdricM 2 жыл бұрын
finally a stepper motor build. ive made a few that have a small crank on them, and then put some led's forwards and backwards across the stepper coils. with a little extra weight you can swing it around and around and make a really fun blinking led light show. i also put an old boxfan on one and it will turn in about a 7 mph wind. Im alittle curious why you used the handy little 90 degree drill adapter, and didnt put the stepper below your flywheel with a pully on the stepper direcly? looked like there was space down there. anyway fantastic. you ive been quite impressed with the voltage one can generate even without any gearing or stepping up.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
no reason really mate it just cleared it out of the way and I had it
@karlmyers6518
@karlmyers6518 2 жыл бұрын
I have a stripped down exercise bike but it has loads of magnets around the wheel. My scrap man does have 300 bikes on a pile though lol
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
that's the resistance you are meant to pedal against
@12thsonofisrael
@12thsonofisrael 2 жыл бұрын
Great 👍
@GeekCreek73
@GeekCreek73 Жыл бұрын
i feel the need to make a fitness center ;)
@stevetobias4890
@stevetobias4890 2 жыл бұрын
I have seen old bikes on stands that turn rollers and one roller is attacked to a medium sized motor and after about 10-15 minutes excercise they have charged a battery.
@craxen1
@craxen1 2 жыл бұрын
A human can produce about 100 Watts, so that battery cant be wery large, for a flash Light maybe 😁
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of human powered generation
@hempev
@hempev 2 жыл бұрын
Just some Daft Punk: Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
indeed
@Flashahol
@Flashahol 2 жыл бұрын
Coincidentally, I recently acquired a floor bicycling unit (that you put in front of a kitchen chair) for a whopping 30$ because it was open box and the counter doesn't work. I don't care about the counter and figured it could easily be transformed into a generator 😁 Step-motors are usually high voltage, low amps and tough to get going (by hand, at least). They normally last a very long time, but they're not made to spin like that, so I wonder how long it would last.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
wow - that's a crazy price - awesome - I have had a few of these things apart - the bearings are good so I don't see why it wouldn't last and with out brushes I am guessing it will last longer than a dc motor
@ColinWatters
@ColinWatters 2 жыл бұрын
I think more emphasis needs to be placed on efficiency. Generating 30W is great but if you are putting 100W into it you aren't going to be able to crank it for as long as if it only needed 50W to turn.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
it's a balance between cost and efficiency really - plus I am a fat old man - there is no way I am putting 100 watts in - I would guess with my arm strength I could manage 50 watts top
@robertpoynton9923
@robertpoynton9923 2 жыл бұрын
What will you be connecting to tge sterling engine Rob? Something similar i hope.
@iindium49
@iindium49 2 жыл бұрын
Epic!
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
cheers mate
@scotttovey
@scotttovey 2 жыл бұрын
If you come across an exercise bike with a digital readout, you can disconnect the digital gauge and test it to see how much electricity it is producing. I had one that I through out not too long ago, and it never occurred to me to clip and strip the wires and test it for output. I doubt that it would have been all that much though.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
it wouldn't have been much mate
@zaprodk
@zaprodk 2 жыл бұрын
It doesn't generate anything. It's just a pulse sensor. The "load" on these bikes are either a belt that is squeezed around a wheel or a magnetic induction brake. No generator, no electronics really.
@scotttovey
@scotttovey 2 жыл бұрын
@@zaprodk No electronics? You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Some of those machines have digital readouts for miles, time ridden and calories burned. Others go so far as to have a complete video system on them so you can watch a trainer while you ride. It was obvious that the bike Rob took apart didn't have electronics, but the one I tossed did.
@zaprodk
@zaprodk 2 жыл бұрын
@@scotttovey Yes i know what I am talking about. We're talking about "any electronics" in the mechanical part of the basic exercise bike. The panel that counts up has a lot of electronics, scaling from a single chip (blob) solution to TV-screens etc. I was talking about the basic part that makes the friction. The signal to the electronics is usually a reed relay that is passed by a magnet, since it's cheap and doesn't use any standby power.
@scotttovey
@scotttovey 2 жыл бұрын
@@zaprodk "We're talking about "any electronics" Wrong. I was talking about the digital readout, not just "any electronics".
@electronresonator8882
@electronresonator8882 2 жыл бұрын
a silly idea, how about horse farm to power electric generator by running on a treadmill, it's bigger version of hamster wheel, since hamster don't have that much stamina...and horse eats grass, it's a green power and grass take some of carbon from the air
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
I like the idea mate
@paydenquinn1986
@paydenquinn1986 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Was wondering if you have any more updates on the bulletproof graphene plastic or the production of graphene🤙
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
no mate - I don't know what else there is to say on that?
@paydenquinn1986
@paydenquinn1986 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkingandTinkering well maybe u could give me a hint on the secret bio plastic u said u used. I’m trying to make exoskeleton and incorporate graphene for school project. sorry about the question about production of graphene…. I just had to dig a bit deeper into ur vids
@duncyy7471
@duncyy7471 2 жыл бұрын
poor little stepper. try put a hoverboard motor on it (3 phase/bldc). broken hoverboards can be found for free to 10 euro and comes with 2 motors. they are great as generator.
@dekutree64
@dekutree64 2 жыл бұрын
Any advice on where to go looking for them? I always hear about people getting them free or close to it, but ebay seems to run around $50 or more with shipping, and I never see broken ones on craigslist.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
I have tried a couple mate - I don't know why folks keep suggesting them - in my experience they are no better or worse than a plain old dc motor
@duncyy7471
@duncyy7471 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkingandTinkering Wierd. I remember seing some people on YT using them in micro hydro powerplants or on home trainers to get 130-180watts in suboptimal condidions. In a small bench test of my own i got like 25-30w with minimal effort (in both energy and test setup). Your hand crank with a this motor should get over 100w. I just found your video on the hoverboard motor on the bike(1215). Something isn't correct with those amp readings. Spinning it by hand i got over 1 amp already.
@ozb2006
@ozb2006 2 жыл бұрын
robert how much torque do you get out of this, at the "generator" shaft point to get? or a better question is how many "generator" can you put on this little shaft before it becomes to hard to spin... can you put 20?, 30? more?
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
I don't mate but I would doubt 20 - a couple maybe
@ozb2006
@ozb2006 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkingandTinkering wouldn't it be something worth showing? serious usable power would be around a few kilowatts 30 watts demo's a principle and it is a good concept to use, a lot of small generators, to make lots of power look at the human body, billions of cell each making a few micro watts, collectively at nominal is around 120? watts on average and at demand it can make up to around 1700 hundred when called for so i do agree with the "cell method" but then, when is the "cell method" become to hard to implement without to much effort, when does it become hard...? i do understand it would have to do with the mass, and resistance of the bearing? and how about losses do to friction? could EMF be a problem? wouldn't it be something worth showing? or at least share a few thoughts about?
@tristanhameleers7506
@tristanhameleers7506 2 жыл бұрын
I have a small stepper motor like motor that if I put my finger on the wires and I turn the small gear (it is pretty dang small) I get a shock
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
you would lol
@hanslepoeter5167
@hanslepoeter5167 2 жыл бұрын
Not bad. It's a lot of power for this motor I think. Maybe a bit too much. Does it specify voltage, Amps and steps/revolution ?
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
why do think it is a lot mate? the motors I looked at are rated around an amp or more peak current - this is a quarter of that so it's unlikely to get hot - when I checked the voltage breakdown of the lacquer it was around 5kV - not sure what I missed here - what were you thinking?
@hanslepoeter5167
@hanslepoeter5167 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkingandTinkering The wrong way I'm afraid mate. You're right. As long as you have less current than specified and no insane voltage you're ok
@David_Mash
@David_Mash 2 жыл бұрын
Triple like for new POV!
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
awesome mate - cheers
@cheesynuts4291
@cheesynuts4291 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what you could generate with a human sized hamster wheel? Take a stroll and power your coffee pot.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
nice lol
@wongowonga
@wongowonga 2 жыл бұрын
Who needs the gym anyway.... It's comforting to know that, when the food dries up and the apocalypse starts, I only need to burn 6000 calories a day to light a bulb. Still fun though and I learn from your videos.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
lol cheers mate
@reypolice5231
@reypolice5231 2 жыл бұрын
Can any of this get hooked up the human hamster wheel?
@tahanlaoboy
@tahanlaoboy 2 жыл бұрын
cool
@victoryfirst2878
@victoryfirst2878 2 жыл бұрын
Robert, how did you injure your middle finger ??? You know the fickle finger of fate. Peace vf
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
I am always getting injured mate - these days I hardly even notice
@victoryfirst2878
@victoryfirst2878 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkingandTinkering You are tuff as nails fella. Keep up the great works. I totally enjoy your videos and the information told about the subject matter at hand. Peace VF
@daroniussubdeviant3869
@daroniussubdeviant3869 2 жыл бұрын
i'm way off topic here but... regarding the hydrogen generators, using an air stone to bubble hydrogen and oxygen into one of those cells full of electrolyte, can they be used to generate electricity from the gas?
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know mate - sorry
@daroniussubdeviant3869
@daroniussubdeviant3869 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkingandTinkering thank you. i shall try it myself. a hydrogen fuel cell that doesn't require platinum or expensive proton exchange membranes would be handy. they should work both ways.
@pulesjet
@pulesjet 2 жыл бұрын
Telling you ya need a Hover Board motor. If I could afford it I would send you one . There only $20 bucks here.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
I have tried a couple mate - I don't find them that brilliant tbh
@mikegb1969
@mikegb1969 2 жыл бұрын
thanks rob. whats with the hair lol 1.56 . lookin tired mate take a break.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
yeah I should do - cheers mate
@MrVeryCranky
@MrVeryCranky 2 жыл бұрын
Rabbits On too much.
@markhowards420
@markhowards420 2 жыл бұрын
That was very interesting but a bit painful to watch/listen to. Something has gone wrong with the transitions during editing , the audio overlaps where there should be a pause. It’s like trying to read a paragraph with all the full stops removed.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
sorry about that mate I will correct it
@tamaseduard5145
@tamaseduard5145 2 жыл бұрын
👍🙏👍
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
awesome - cheers mate
@AverLife
@AverLife 2 жыл бұрын
Ahh something useful with greater potential. Now your talking...
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed!
@devjono
@devjono 2 жыл бұрын
I hate this video. You cut out all the ramblings. The live concept. Cheers
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