So what’s the point of being Christian? Why not just try to be a good person and not worry about Christianity or religion. It seems like you’re ignoring most of the Bible anyway so why not ignore the rest and move on?

Heaven and hell are creations of human desire. After you die you no longer exist. Wishful thinking and hoping will not change that fact.

Relative to Christian thought about the Afterlife about 99% of that thought is dedicated to Hell and enjoyment of the thiught of some enemy suffering, Heaven is an afterthought at best.

How tf are we still stuck on this? Do you wonder if hades or nirvana exist? No. All of them are obviously man made

Hell is where YOU will go for not believing. YOU will be punished (as YOU deserve) for YOUR sins. Me? I'm exempt of course and I don't believe in any of that shit! The whole idea is one of control.

"If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?” This question has become popularized by Frank Turek, an American Christian apologetic, as a way of asserting that non-believers don’t want it to be true, they don’t want there to be a god because they themselves want to be God. Frank himself states that this response is unreasonable; but is it? Can’t the same be said for Christians who do not follow Jesus’s commands? By not following all 1,050 of those commands aren’t Christians in actuality placing themselves above god, making gods of themselves? The question Frank asks can be deemed a valid question, because one of the reasons Christianity is considered false, is due to the difficulty in reconciling the concept of a perfectly loving god with the actions and behaviors attributed to that god as depicted in the bible. If I truly believed that all statements in scripture, except for the allegorical aspects were true, then I would inevitably conclude that this entity does not merit worship. Such a being would be incomprehensibly morally inferior to myself. After all, I have never committed acts of genocide, nor have I ever owned slaves, among other immoral actions attributed to the biblical god. Hypothetically, even if I accepted that Christianity was objectively true, I couldn’t embrace the Christian faith. My response remains comparable in that if the existence of a god were proven, I would certainly acknowledge its existence. However, would I follow and worship this god, regardless of whether it aligns with the God of Christianity, Judaism, or any other religion? First and foremost, I believe the very idea of worship cannot be demanded or expected; it should be earned based on one's character. A being that insists on worship and reverence cannot truly deserve it, and therefore I would not adhere to, revere, or worship such a god. But, if it turns out it was the god of the bible and he just showed up one day and said, “Hey Dave, I’m Yahweh, let's talk.” And he finally decided to not be a coward and show up and interact with me the same way he supposedly showed up and interacted with other people, he'd have a lot of explaining to do before he'd get an ounce of my respect. So, while I could believe anything that's demonstrated, whether or not I would live my life by the scriptures of some god, is like saying once I’m convinced of a king does that mean that I do whatever the king says? I don't know, probably not. Here's the problem with that, if Christianity is true then morality means something very different than what I think it means now. If Christianity is true, morality is synonymous with obeying god's commands or being consistent with god's nature and that's all morality can mean. By definition, that's what good means, good means consistent with god's nature. So, if god's nature is one of cruelty, then that means cruelty is moral, if god's nature is one of dishonesty, then that means dishonesty is moral; I don't value those things. I don't care what label you put on them, if you want to call them moral then I’m not interested in being moral. What I am interested in, is human suffering and well-being, actually the suffering and well-being of all conscious creatures. The god of the bible does not seem interested in that many different varieties of Christianity have many different doctrines, and that while all of them would say that God is moral, that doesn't mean God is moral. This is because the only thing that I have in all of the universe to judge the character of the god of Christianity by is the bible. The bible sanctions slavery, the bible sanctions misogyny, the bible sanctions the second-tier status for women about property, and the bible sanctions rape. The Bible also has rules against things that aren't necessarily immoral like prostitution and homosexuality. It has several things that I would say any being that advocates for that does not understand what it means to be good and does not care about humankind, human suffering or the well-being of thinking creatures. Christians begin by claiming God is good, but before we can determine that God is good, God has to explain why he sanctioned the things that the bible says he did or sanctioned, and why he allowed that book that portrays him as someone who did or sanctioned those things to persist unchallenged for the entirety of history, from the time it was written until now. The short answer is, if Christianity is true, then being moral, that is to say following god's commands is a bad idea. It's bad for me, it's bad for other human beings, it's bad for all sentient creatures everywhere. So, Christianity being moral ironically becomes a bad thing. I don't want to be moral given the definition of, “Christianity is true”, if Christianity is indeed true.

Wonder ful piece reasonable set out.

Excellent 😳

The afterlife options proposed by Christians are equally horrific in their own particular ways, not least of which is them being interminable. Thankfully, there's absolutely no reason to believe in any of their holy humbug or medieval fantasies about the workings of celestial realms, eternal torture, etc.

Where would they exist? They are spaces where physical bodies are meant to dwell, so where are they located?

in my district, "heaven" is the life that's PROVIDED for the people who serve THE church and "hell" is the punishment for not.

I'm scared now

If Christianity is true, knowing about heaven and hell is the most important thing to know. Loving God would want everyone to be saved, but can't force them. Hell is simply absence of Him. Since everything good is from Him, hell can't have anything good. According to Christianity, we've fallen from God's perfect standards, which is called sin. That would explain why there's wars and abuse. It would also explain why most think these are bad things: We have moral standard coded in us. Perfect God whose love and judgment are perfect would have to judge perfectly. He would send a perfect sacrifice to suffer instead of us. That's what Christians believe Jesus is. If this is true, then it's the most important thing there is. But there's a very simple way to see if it's true or not. Just say outloud: Dear Lord Jesus. Come into my heart. Forgive me of my sin. I give my life to you. Talk to me. Lead me." If Jesus is myth, then there should be no problem for anyone to say this. If He is true, then He is the Way, the Truth and the Life, as He said. Then it's the most important decision you can ever make.

Euh… no?….

Damn Christianity is sounding a bit too much like Scientology with their spiritual sci fi spins

No

First

You missed Warner's argument. Yes, 2nd, 3rd, etc., etc. generations of religious people die for their faith all the time. But 1st generation religious people; that is, those who would have known the claims of Jesus' resurrection to be false, don't. Who would die as a martyr when they had first-hand knowledge that their cause is a total fabrication? Those that flew planes into buildings on 9/11 died as martyrs but they had NO first-hand knowledge of whether any of the claims of Mohammad were true. All they had was hand-me-down information. The first-century followers of Jesus who witnessed him resurrected from the dead had a very different, 1st-hand experience that led them to not backtrack on their testimony of what happened in the face of death. Maybe a few could have been delusional and stupid enough to lose it all for the sake of propagating a lie but not dozens or even hundreds as were the case. Please rethink and retell the basis of your thesis.

In a word "NO". Prove me wrong if you can.

Do Heaven and Earth exist? Earth, yes Heaven, No. End of discussion.