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Someone raged.

Pin of shame

lol pin of shame

It's in the video - the game cursor is visible - if definitely a bit hard to see or follow at times. But you can also slow down the video too to better see (at least some of) them; that seemed to help me better see the path/motion of the mouse (cursor).

I saw an example of 'mouse paths' and agree that they're pretty helpful; definitely easier to 'read' than the game cursor.

I think this is a pretty interesting comment that can invoke some pretty interesting discussion about speedrunning this game. I definitely agree that the video would be better if I had included a mouse tracker that shows the path of the mouse as I perform the various techniques. We even have such a software that was specifically developed for this game and several others have used it. That's unfortunately something I didn't take into consideration when making this video. However, I wouldn't say a lack of mouse movement showcase makes it significantly harder to learn these techniques. Speaking from personal experience, I never consciously think of how I'm moving the mouse, since it's all muscle memory at this point. Even when I was learning new strategies, looking at someone's mouse movement and copying that directly has not been very beneficial for me personally. The reason for this is that successfully performing strategies and techniques is heavily dependent on how the character is positioned. This means that visual cues and pattern recognition becomes much more important since the movement in many areas can vary as a result. Also, due to how precisely the hammer is sometimes required to be moved, it wouldn't be practically possible to copy someone's mouse movement nor useful to approximately replicate it. Something else to consider as well is that most techniques are pretty much based on Swings, Simple Pogos and Simple Repositioning, meaning that the other ones are more or less a combination of those in different forms. Therefore, if you're capable of these easy techniques, then you can combine them into other techniques with muscle memory, without having to look at mouse trackers.

@@clappv Having played a bit more, I agree that the mouse tracker isn't that useful. But I still think it's useful for brand new players. I got pretty close to beating the game by moving (mostly) 'statically', i.e. slowly, deliberately, and stopping whenever possible between moves. I accidentally pogoed myself off the middle of the final tower (and fell, thru a spectacular cascade of mistaken flailing, all the way back to the very beginning). Afterwards, I decided to play around and practice 'dynamic' movement, i.e. continuous sequences of the basic moves, e.g. swings, pogos, and repositioning. The big obstacle seems to be the _precision_ that's required of each move so as to be successfully strung together into a long stretch of fluid movement thru the level. Maybe it'd be helpful for players trying to learn this to play other (modded) levels? Another thing I was practicing was 'repairing', i.e. 'fixing' mistakes. Something I've noticed that a lot of good/great players do is _recover_ from, e.g. a not-quite-right pogo somewhere. A big part of why this is hard is what you mentioned: "how the character is positioned". A specific aspect of this that I was practicing is something I think of as/like 'pogoing across Diogenes', e.g. if Diogenes is holding the hammer above-right, it's tricky to pull the hammer in, 'slide' it around the 'limiting circle' in the center of the character, and then down - and at the _right_ angle - to fluidly pogo at _just_ the right direction (and with the _right_ force/velocity). It's a very interesting hand/eye coordination puzzle!

Thank you a great deal for the kind words, I appreciate it a lot. I definitely agree about the game deserving more attention, but at the same time that would be hard to accomplish because of the difficult to understand game mechanics. I mean the game is already hard for someone trying to complete it once, and here are speedrunners that do things they have never seen before or even begun thinking about. Hopefully this tutorial helps someone out and even inspires someone else to make similar videos

cool to see that you noticed that little detail, ty for viewing!

Funny enough - this is the best video (or anything) I've found for _beginners_ too! (Just focus on the beginner moves! And use a slowish steady swing in 'dangerous' areas.)

You're welcome. Thanks for watching

Dang - sub 1:00 soonish? I can't wait to see the Summoning Salt video.

@@KennyEvitt Blastbolt is like the only realistic current contender for sub 1. As much as I'd love to see a Summoning Salt video, it's not guaranteed since there haven't been any groundbreaking discoveries in the WR progression apart from slide skip. People have just gotten better at the game, so the video might be dull for a lot of people in that sense. Karl Jobst might make a video reporting about it though!

That is absolutely true, good observation

On mobile😉

Anyone can beat this game as long as you don't have any severe hand injuries/disabilities that cause problems. If you haven't beaten the game yet, the majority of this video is too advanced and not suitiable nor useful for you. However, I guarantee that if you do simple pogos, simple repositioning and swings correctly on the various places on the map, then those three techniques are enough to beat the game as many times as one could want. This game is inherently and deliberately discouraging, because that was one of Bennetts main ideas. This applies to speedrunners aswell. I've gone months without beating my previous record and it can even take one year for some unfortunate speedrunners. For a first timer, it can take up to 50 hours, though the average is probably like 10. My point is that it's natural to feel discouraged, so just be patient and try to enjoy the game and I promise you'll get over it.

Yes they do. I realized that shortly after I made the video, when I saw people mentioning nospin on discord.

Nospins are very difficult to successfully use, so you can get away with just swinging until like sub 1:30 probably.

@@clappv Well im at 20 wins and 8:11 so ive got a long way to go until then

Nospins, which i mistakenly called half pulls, are not essential at 1:50. Maybe when you get close to sub 1:30 they're more important, but you might even do nospins before that without even thinking about it.

@@clappv okay, thanks :)

Definitely not. U can even sub 2 with just swings, fast pogos and pull pogos.

max sens ig, 650 dpi, trackpad tuning on

yeah

enable trackpad tuning in settings, this will disable mouse acceleration. Then try to do the movements slower with an extended hammer, most people try to do it way too fast which doesn't work

Sensitivity is personal preference, but I think people in general find it easier to negative pull with a higher sensitivity. However, my opinion is that your sensitivity in particular is so low that it's hindering your potential. For comparison, 400dpi 50% ingame is seen as ridiculously low.

@@clappv wait what?! i meant 1100 originally but thats the same as 650 and 50%, what do you use so i can get a stable idea

@@sebastiansharpstone901 Well in that case your sens is fine, it's still personal perference as I said so just go with what you like. I play with 650dpi 100% ingame

It just comes down to a lot of practice. It's also not the most essential technique. Pull pogos are, for example, more important. I think people only really start getting the hang of negative pulls when they get close to sub 2, so it's definitely hard.

650dpi 100% ingame

Ok 👍

Think of it like this: A swing is performed by doing a circle with the mouse. A fast pogo is performed by having the hammer at a 45 degree angle and then moving the mouse either straight down or downwards diagonally depending on the circumstance. When the circle motion you use with your mouse is interrupted by moving it literally straight down or downwards diagonally, like in fast pogos, it becomes a pull pogo. One mistake people tend to do is emphasize the swing way too much. You only need to do a very tiny swinging motion, because the purpose of the swing part in pull pogos is to prevent the cauldron from colliding with the starting point. Although, the best way to learn is to invest the time to practice pull pogos until your muscle memory can automatically do them.

@clappv thank you! (Late reply mb)

very sad :(

@@KeaneJ123 I almost got sub 3 but I failed in space :( :(

You gotta initate a swing but then cancel it by pulling downwards vertically or diagonally, depending on which direction you're aiming for. This will convert that swing into a pogo and thus resulting in a pull pogo which gives much height.

@@clappv yeah that’s exactly what I do, but it rarely ends up going as high

@@RammsteinLover294 Try keeping the hammer less extended during the pull, it's fine to do during the swing, but try keeping it closer to the cauldron when you pull down. This will bring the cauldron closer to the object which will generate more velocity and therefore height. You might also just be doing it too slowly, idk. If you send me a video of your pull pogos I can review them and pinpoint the subtle mistakes.

@@clappv ok I can upload a video and send you a link

I won’t be able to provide a link until I get off work, so I’m like 2 hours

Me too

Are you using a mouse or touchpad? Anyhow, try playing with and without trackpad tuning, which you can configure in the settings, to see if it gets easier. Besides that, you need to smoothly, but not too quickly or slowly, move your mouse at as straight of a line as possible to go high up.

@@clappv im using touchpad

And even with the trackpad tracking it doesnt work yestersay i could a little bit get off ground now i cant it just dont jump it just stands on the hammer , and as fast as i move it stills stand in the ground without jumping

@@BrikaEXE That just sounds like the trackpad on your laptop is broken

@@clappv thanks for the reply