168 - Axis and Allies Both Invade France - WW2

168 - Axis and Allies Both Invade France - WW2 - November 13, 1942

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Operation Torch goes off this week, the Allied invasion of French Northwest Africa, but this prompts the Germans to invade European France. This is the Allies first combined major offensive in the Western Hemisphere. The Germans launch another offensive of their own this week, though- Operation Hubertus in Stalingrad. And in the South Pacific, a major naval battle begins off Guadalcanal.
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@WorldWarTwo 2 жыл бұрын

As the Allied forces enter Algeria this week, it brings the thorny question of calling their arrival a "liberation". While it is true that for many living in Algeria the arrival of Allied forces is a welcome change, such as for the Jewish population, for many little will change other than the flag flying above the land. Algeria is ostensibly a part of France proper, but there has certainly always existed a colonial relationship between the French government there and the millions of citizens who have inhabited the region for generations. So we ask you, was Algeria fully liberated? Can there be such a thing under colonial rule?

@PhillyPhanVinny 2 жыл бұрын

I know the episodes are getting really long (and as always are great) and it is getting hard to decide what needs to be covered and what can be passed over but I think you guys should have talked about the planning for Operation Mars by now also (hopefully it will be covered next week since the battle starts on the 25th of Nov). The USSR is equally planning out Operation Mars and Uranus at the same time right now and they equally care about both. While also Operation Mars is the larger of the 2 offensives. Operation Mars in my opinion is the reason that Operation Uranus succeeded because it prevents the Germans from moving forces in their center to help against Operation Uranus (to try to break the 6th army out while they still had a chance to do so) since they are being attacked by a even bigger forces then the German Southern Army Group is. Operation Mars is given less coverage all the time in WW2 because of the way the USSR covered the battle up after WW2 by downplaying it and trying to make people think it was just a small decoy offensive.

@pnutz_2 2 жыл бұрын

nice appropriate image on the collectibles store

@WorldWarTwo 2 жыл бұрын

@@PhillyPhanVinny Indy will cover Mars as it happens after 25 November, and in pretty much detail, including intended objectives. Coverage will begin in episode 170 that comes out on the 27th (the week the operation begins).

@PhillyPhanVinny 2 жыл бұрын

@@WorldWarTwo Sounds good. Thought we would have heard about it during the coverage of the planning of Uranus. But as I was saying you guys can't cover everything in detail as much as you may want. Otherwise episodes could get too long for the YT algorithm to work in your favor. In hindsight though I would of personally said you should have thrown in a one sentence comment in this episode or one of the last few episodes that operation Mars is being planned out as well as operation Uranus since operation Mars is actually the larger offensive for the USSR in terms of men and weapons.

@pnutz_2 2 жыл бұрын

15:30 my previous post got youtube'd - I did some research on the running rabbits thing and that apparently happened on the 9th according to the official histories on the awm. it also took a surprising amount of work to find a date

@alexamerling79 2 жыл бұрын

"Everyone in Germany believes we already hold Stalingrad. How wrong they are. if they could only see what Stalingrad has done to our army."-Wilhelm Hoffman, November 10, 1942

@mafiosomax7423 2 жыл бұрын

Is that from "unsere muetter, unsere vaeter" or was he a real person?

@colonelarmfeldt8572 2 жыл бұрын

A Western newspaper (forgot which one) famously talked about how, in the time that the Germans took over Poland, France, Yugoslavia, they were only able to take a few streets in Stalingrad. I saw it in an episode of Soviet Storm: WWII in the East.

@AG-el6vt 2 жыл бұрын

@@colonelarmfeldt8572 I think it was a BBC broadcast.

@caryblack5985 2 жыл бұрын

@@mafiosomax7423 Hoffman was a real person . He died at Stalingrad but his diary has been quoted in several books.

@alexamerling79 2 жыл бұрын

@@mafiosomax7423 real soldier

@gunman47 2 жыл бұрын

An interesting note this week on November 12 1942 is that American World War I flying ace *Eddie Rickenbacker* along with five others are finally rescued after being lost adrift at sea in the Pacific Ocean for almost three weeks due to a forced ditching at sea from a B-17D Flying Fortress heavy bomber. They were surprisingly not spotted by Japanese spotter planes and were able to survive due to catching food with their bare hands and using some of them as fishing bait. Their experiences would result in every US Navy life raft being outfitted with emergency fishing kits henceforth.

@Spindrift_87 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for all these fascinating details you always add, sir

@paullyczak9916 2 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@snapshotinhistory1367 2 жыл бұрын

27 kills, that's not just a WW1 flying ace, thats America's WW1 ace of aces, and a former racecar driver to boot. An epic story that everyone should read up on.

@yourstruly4817 2 жыл бұрын

On Saturday, the 14th, the British submarine Sahib sinks the Italian cargo liner Scillin, killing nearly all of the 800 Allied POWs on board

@lycaonpictus9662 2 жыл бұрын

Rickenbacker is one of those people from history whose life was so eventful that he would seem completely implausible if he was instead the invention of some author. "Celebrity race car driver? Highest scoring American ace in WW1? Survives weeks at sea in the Pacific as a castaway? This is all the same person?! My suspension of disbelief is breaking!" Also agree with Sprindrift. Your posts always add a few interesting details.

@sirbillius 2 жыл бұрын

This episode feels like a serious turning point. It really does feel like the end of the beginning.

@user-qi3sn5vi6t 2 жыл бұрын

Next episode: hold my beer!

@sirbillius 2 жыл бұрын

@@user-qi3sn5vi6t In starting to reach my limit of WW2 knowledge so I’m in some serious suspense.

@jasonkimbler5284 2 жыл бұрын

I would argue Kursk was the beginning of the end. As we have learned thanks to Indy, however, one could argue the end of the beginning came and went during the battle of Moscow

@CK-nh7sv 2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonkimbler5284 That's not how "beginning" works... The Churchill quote is pretty sh*t, the end of the beginning was the Fall of France. Churchill just wanted to say something inspirational and sum up the war until that point as one single phase which ends with Allied victories.

@tigertank06 2 жыл бұрын

So why did the Axis start to lose at the end of 1942? What were the causes? Bad tactics? Strategy? Not enough men? Resources? What exactly caused them to lose?

@spess4804 2 жыл бұрын

"then, the UK and Germany realized that they both would much rather fight the french"

@greg_mca 2 жыл бұрын

A time honoured tradition

@spess4804 2 жыл бұрын

@@greg_mca true

@marshalleubanks2454 2 жыл бұрын

Anton was excellent cover for Darlan, as he could argue that Pétain had lost his ability to make decisions free of German interference, and thus that he (Darlan) was actually expressing Pétain's true intentions! Churchill told the House of Commons (in secret session) that "if Admiral Darlan had to shoot Marshal Pétain he would no doubt do it in Marshal Pétain's name."

@naoyanaraharjo4693 2 жыл бұрын

@Sugarz why did he think so? Whats the special thing Petain went through at 1925?

@eedwardgrey2 2 жыл бұрын

@@naoyanaraharjo4693 1925 seems to have been the year their relationship as mentor and protege began to break down, because Petain took command in Morocco which De Gaulle disapproved of as a glory hogging move. Petain refusing to give him credit for a book De Gaulle had ghost written the next year seems to have been the nail in the coffin of their relationship.

@naoyanaraharjo4693 2 жыл бұрын

@Sugarz Wang became a collaborator not because of Shanghai, but because of the change he felt during the Central plain war(KMT vs what was KMT aligned warlords). He became an oppurtunist in between 1928 and 1930 Though it seems i preferred the other guy is answer. Stealing one's writing anf stooping down to putting down a colonial revolt might look like a "lesser career" Especially for someone like Petain that is meant to face the best of the best in Europe

@naoyanaraharjo4693 2 жыл бұрын

@Sugarz its hard to be strong when the guns isnt yours

@unbindingfloyd 2 жыл бұрын

France has a way of getting into multiple coalition wars. Real throwback play.

@Julianna.Domina 2 жыл бұрын

"Whose side are you on? The Germans, or ours?" "Oui, monsseiur."

@Soundbrigade 2 жыл бұрын

The French hasn’t really won any battle, though the revolutions was a tie … so joining the allies AND the nazis will give them a slight chance of a victory.

@scavenger9579 2 жыл бұрын

@@Soundbrigade you have no idea what your talking about

@michaelsmyth3935 2 жыл бұрын

@@scavenger9579 he has an idea, not a good one, but...an idea. I could not make actual sense of his comment.

@michaelsmyth3935 2 жыл бұрын

@@Soundbrigade Charlemagne?

@dangernuzzles4568 2 жыл бұрын

Axis: Can't win against Britain and the Soviet Union "Let's invade France again."

@noobster4779 2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, technically speaking france broke the armistice the moment Darlan switched sides and thereby the vichy troops in africa took up arms against germany. Germany could at that point simply no longer trust vichy france to continue to uphold the armistice agreemeant if their own troops betrayed the french gouvernment.

@Mplkjo15 2 жыл бұрын

@@noobster4779 Absolutely. And this is also the main reason why the french fleet in 1940 refused to move despite the english ultimatum. They knew it would have broke the armistice agreement and lead to something like this. Because, right now, the french mainland state has disappeared entirely for the first (and only) time in its history.

@blahlbinoa 2 жыл бұрын

It worked the first time

@Soundbrigade 2 жыл бұрын

🤣

@nolletthibault2031 2 жыл бұрын

@@Mplkjo15 It has not disappeared, it simply has to function with an army occupying its territory, but it still exists.

@Rookz89 2 жыл бұрын

Can't imagine what a blowout news this must have been for all peoples standing against the Axis. I'd probably be glued to a radio the entite day.

@Unknowngfyjoh 2 жыл бұрын

What does it say about German Intelligence that Hitler gets his news from British Public Radio?

@Silverstream-74 2 жыл бұрын

@@Unknowngfyjoh German intelligence in the war was poor. Not to mention even there codes were broken.

@WellBattle6 2 жыл бұрын

@@Silverstream-74 Axis intelligence was famous for being bad, and it helped the Allies that most operations took place in occupied territory with many willing spy recruits.

@Silverstream-74 2 жыл бұрын

@@WellBattle6 yeah it's an under rated reason for allied victory. Good intelligence is often halfway to victory in my view.

@Raskolnikov70 2 жыл бұрын

@@WellBattle6 Not just bad - didn't Britain turn Germany's entire spy network in the UK into double agents? The allies were great at manipulating German intel and feeding them false information to confuse them throughout the war.

@gunman47 2 жыл бұрын

18:46 The story of the five Sullivan brothers, who died in the sinking of the USS Juneau (CL-52), would later be featured in the 1944 American war film *The Fighting Sullivans* , as well as serve as inspiration for the 1998 American war film *Saving Private Ryan* . Their deaths, along with the deaths of four of the Borgstrom brothers later in the war, would result in the US War Department adopting the Sole Survivor Policy after the war.

@belbrighton6479 2 жыл бұрын

Saving Private Ryan was based on a Jewish set of sons where one was pulled out of active service in the army after his three brothers died, Stephen Ambrose covers this in his DDay book.

@gunman47 2 жыл бұрын

@@belbrighton6479 Which is why I put the Sullivan brothers as one of the inspirations for the movie, since it was not directly used but rather merely mentioned in a one liner in the movie.

@lycaonpictus9662 2 жыл бұрын

Tragically not the first set of brothers to be killed on a single ship either, though I believe they may have represented the most. The park rangers at the Arizona memorial in Hawaii always point out that there were several sets of brothers serving on the ship that were killed that day, along with one father & son pair. From the US park service site, "There were a total of 79 individual brothers, of which 63 died as a result of the attack. Of the 38 sets of brothers on the USS Arizona, 23 sets were lost." That makes me wonder how distressingly common this must have been for ships sunk during the Second World War with most or all hands.

@HellsCowBoy666 2 жыл бұрын

I want Sabaton to cover Sullivan by Caroline's Spine so they can do an episode on it.

@robertkras5162 2 жыл бұрын

The Sullivan's window changes from 5 blue stars to 5 gold stars... in an instant...

@fabianzimmermann5495 2 жыл бұрын

Fun Fact: One Wildcat from the Cactus air force at Guadalcanal used its landing gear, to beat an attacking Japanese bomber, until it crashed.

@franklinb81 2 жыл бұрын

Melee combat

@aaroncabatingan5238 2 жыл бұрын

Well, you have to try something.

@troystaunton254 Жыл бұрын

Went full COD on him.

@marshalleubanks2454 2 жыл бұрын

At Stalingrad the "Night Witches" (female Soviet pilots with old PO-2 biplane bombers) didn't just bomb at night, but by this stage also turned off their engines to drop supplies at night to Soviet soldiers defending areas behind the German lines. The soldiers were supposed to set out lamps at the bottom of their trenches to guide these drops. Vasily Grossman (journalist "embedded" at Stalingrad) tells the story of a soldier who forget to set out the lamps who then heard a voice from above "Hey, , are you going to light those lamps or not?" The soldier in question said that this, a voice from the sky calling directly to him, made a terrifying impression.

@snapshotinhistory1367 2 жыл бұрын

3 big speeches this week Stalin (Nov. 7): October Revolution speech announcing the strength of the Axis vs. the USSR Hitler (Nov. 9): Beer Hall Putch speech announcing the capture of Stalingrad Churchill (Nov. 10): "End of the Beginning" speech announcing the British forces' complete victory over Rommel's Afrika Korps at El Alemein

@stanbrekston 2 жыл бұрын

excellent perspective!

@donjones4719 2 жыл бұрын

And one correction to what Indy said - Churchill's speech wasn't to the House of Commons but at the Lord Mayor's Luncheon. It was broadcast and recorded by the BBC. It's an easy speech of his to listen to, only 4 minutes - he must have been hungry. The audio used to be online but the BBC must be enforcing their rights, my old link doesn't have it anymore. If interested, dig deeper than I am today. The text is of course widely available.

@StickWithTrigger 2 жыл бұрын

Germans at Stalingrad: "I'm straight up not having a good time right now"

@chnb517 2 жыл бұрын

A quick google search tells me that a Soviet rifle division is supposed to have 9,375 men. Those divisions in Stalingrad being left with only 500-1000 men is chilling

@stevekaczynski3793 2 жыл бұрын

Many German units were equally depleted - the sides are like boxers who have been pounding each other for ten rounds, and it is still not over...

@lycaonpictus9662 2 жыл бұрын

It really demonstrates how tenaciously the Soviets have been contesting the city as well. Stalingrad's defenders are fighting to the last man to buy enough time a counterstroke.

@RJLNetWork 2 жыл бұрын

Shows the importance of Operation Torch as Germany diverted weapons and materiel from other theaters to try to stop the Americans and British in North Africa. When Indy said that Germany took bombers and transports away from the Stalingrad front, that really made me realize that Torch was a lot more signifigant that I believed.

@davidfreeman3083 2 жыл бұрын

And also, it eventually got most of the 8 divisions (? Although I felt like there'd be more) of French colonial forces in French North Africa, mostly loyal to Vichy b4 torch, as an integral part of the allied forces. And because of Darlan's intervention, the French West Africa and all the French military & political powers, which De Gualle's Free France and their then only ally the UK failed an attempt to capture earlier, also basically joined the allies after torch. And the German action in mainland France pushed many of the last Vichy supporters (minus the hardline pro Nazi or anti West or pro German ones) against the Germans. So whenever they can, many French officers serving in mainland divisions of the Vichy army defected and joined allies if they could. And if they couldn't leave France but could avoid being captured by the Germans, some of them eventually joined the French resistance. The now ally aligned French North Africa would eventually be able to raise an entire army almost (forgot the exact number but I think probably at least in 6 digits) to be used in the Mediterranean theater. Which doesn't sound like a lot but still quite important for the war's sake, especially when focusing on the Mediterranean theater.

@merdiolu 2 жыл бұрын

08:40 Even German public was more anxious and worried even jittery than Hitler about situation in at Eastern Front and Africa this point while Hitler it seems in a premature victory already won optimism-disease. German public were probably sick of constant "Rommel victorious" or "Rommel in a planned controlled retreat" statements: A labored joke told by a German pilot after his capture at Tunisia in May 1943: “The difference between a clock and Rommel is that a clock goes forward and says tick-tock and Rommel goes backwards and says tactics.” Prevail until the Bitter End , Germans in Last Years of World War II - Alexandra Lohse

@rosstapson 2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful :D

@ericsommers7386 2 жыл бұрын

November 1942 has to be a candidate for one of the busiest months in history!

@lycaonpictus9662 2 жыл бұрын

Right up there with December of 1941 Or spoiler alert...July-August of 1943. Kursk & the invasion of Sicily occur at roughly the same time.

@ericsommers7386 2 жыл бұрын

@@lycaonpictus9662 going to be interesting to see how busy June 1944 gets....

@lycaonpictus9662 2 жыл бұрын

@@ericsommers7386 That is actually a busier month than July or August of 1943, now that you mention it. Aside from Normandy and Operation Bagration, you also have the invasion of Saipan & the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot.

@robertjarman3703 2 жыл бұрын

@@lycaonpictus9662 Add in how the Allies also captured Southern France too after Normandy. The Allies advanced through Italy and into Greece.

@stanbrekston 2 жыл бұрын

@@robertjarman3703 & don't forget the, 'China-Burma-India' theater, with the 'Flying Tigers', 'Vinegar' Joe Stillwell, Lord Mountbatten, &, (who was that British commando brigadier general who transferred from n.africa to Burma, who got killed; his name escapes me at the moment)?

@nickgooderham2389 2 жыл бұрын

The Royal Canadian Navy provides 17 corvettes to operation torch and Canadian landing craft ferry to shore over 15,000 of Patton's troops.

@truthseeker9454 2 жыл бұрын

Awfully thoughtful of our Canadian neighbors to provide US troops with Corvettes to drive around in!

@jspades007 2 жыл бұрын

What's sad about the loss of Scott is that it's not Japanese fire that kills him. San Francisco, in the confusion of the battle, actually fires those rounds. It's thought they were shooting at a target beyond the Atlanta when the friendly-fire incident occurs.

@kemarisite 2 жыл бұрын

Yep. Richard Frank documented this in his book on Guadalcanal. There are a cluster of green-dyed 8" hits smashing Atlanta's bridge and chatroom areas, green being the color used to Mark San Francisco's shell splashes. Atlanta survivors stated that the big shells killed Scott and his staff, but Atlanta was not hit by any recognizable 14" shells (it is possible she was hit by 14" incendiary shrapnel shell(s) early on before the Japanese managed to bring up AP shells, but those would not have damaged Atlanta in the way it was damaged) and no Japanese 8" guns were present this night.

@stevekaczynski3793 2 жыл бұрын

@@kemarisite Especially in fighting at night, friendly fire took quite a toll in WW2.

@marshalleubanks2454 2 жыл бұрын

These were brutal battles, with hundreds of men dying in minutes as ships fought at very close range in the dark. This was perhaps the last chance for the Japanese to win back Guadalcanal. Abe may not have known it, but the American naval forces left in the area after this 40 minute battle would not have been able to stop him from bombarding Henderson Field into unusability.

@jspades007 2 жыл бұрын

@@kemarisite Another good read on these series of battles is Hornfischer's book "Neptune's Inferno." The battles around Guadalcanal were brutal in the collision of inexperience and failures of command and tactics on the US side. It was the crucible that forged the naval force that was to roll back the Japanese, but the cost was staggering.

@kemarisite 2 жыл бұрын

@@stevekaczynski3793 yep. Even two years later at Surigao Strait, USS Denver fired on and heavily damaged USS Albert W. Grant, one of the destroyers operating forward of the cruiser and battleship lines.

@thanos_6.0 2 жыл бұрын

The African theater is often overlooked since only a fraction of Axis supplies went there, but in retrospect these supplies would have been very usefull on the eastern front. And the thousands of men, material and planes that are send to Tunesia or southern France, could have been *extremely* usefull for Mansteins counter offesnive to liberate 6th Army and 4th Panzerarmy who will be surrounded in Stalingrad. While no one denies that WW2 in Europe was mainly fought on the eastern front, I generally think that the role of the western allies in the european theater is criminally underrated.

@Unknowngfyjoh 2 жыл бұрын

Remember when Italy used to be there? Lol. Speaking of Italy... Do they even exist anymore?

@shivanshna7618 2 жыл бұрын

@@Unknowngfyjoh sadly for Germany yes

@watcherzero5256 2 жыл бұрын

Between 10-20% of German resources (disproportionately large amount of their aircraft) and 60% of Italian were tied down in Africa.

@stevekaczynski3793 2 жыл бұрын

They could definitely have used the transport planes on the Volga. The Axis is overstretched and it is really beginning to show.

@lycaonpictus9662 2 жыл бұрын

It also be vital for U.S. forces to gain some much needed experience and separate the wheat from the chaff among the commanders, before attempting anything more ambitious. Even Britain, which has had 3 years of war to get sorted, is still in the process of that with Montgomery being a relatively recent arrival. I shudder to think of what an invasion of Normandy would have looked like with someone like Lloyd Fredendall in the mix.

@WayOutGaming 2 жыл бұрын

Just realized that France was essentially in a state of civil war from 1940-1944.

@lhaviland8602 2 жыл бұрын

Just wait until you see what happens "between the armies" in '44. It's quite likely that more French were killed by other French in this period alone than were killed by Germans during the entire war.

@parodyclip36 2 жыл бұрын

@@lhaviland8602 Calm down the Germans still killed +400k french

@Rickinsf 2 жыл бұрын

Also killed on the USS San Francisco was Cdr. Cassin Young, who had been awarded the Medal of Honor for heroism during the attack on Pearl Harbor. A Fletcher-class destroyer was named for him, and is on display in Boston Harbor.

@alexkordas4523 2 жыл бұрын

"The horses have already been eaten. I would eat a cat; they say its meat is also tasty. The soldiers look like corpses or lunatics, looking for something to put in their mouths. They no longer take cover from Russian shells; they haven't the strength to walk, run away and hide. A curse on this war! . . ." Wilhelm Hoffman, December 26 1942. Was still alive at that time. Couldn't find out when he died and how.

@caryblack5985 2 жыл бұрын

Yes many of the Germans at Stalingrad died from various causes both in battle and starvation and no date of death is known.

@tobybartels8426 2 жыл бұрын

I'm really feeling the way that the tide has shifted in recent episodes. With the German failure at Stalingrad, the final breakthrough against Rommel, and the sudden collapse of Vichy France, this is no longer Germany's war. I understand why Churchill called this week ‘the end of the beginning’. You're all really doing a good job getting this across!

@Foralltosee1623 2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad that the World War Two added the extra fact about the Sullivan brothers. Many men died that day and it was absolutely terrible for all their families. But to lose five sons in a single engagement would break the hearts of any mother and father.

@Beowulf_DW 2 жыл бұрын

One of the more unusual aerial battles of the war took place this week. F4F Wildcat fighters launching from USS Ranger clashed in the skies over Casablanca with Dewoitine D.520 fighters. Capt. Eric Brown flew both of these fighters and describes them thus: On the F4F Wildcat, "I can vouch as a matter of personal experience, this Grumman fighter was one of the finest shipboard aeroplanes ever created." And on the D.520 he said, "It was a nasty little brute. Looked beautiful but didn't fly beautifully."

@yes_head 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, one doesn't immediately think of the Wildcat fighting in the skies over... North Africa?

@paulmentzer7658 2 жыл бұрын

The US Navy had rules against brothers serving together before WWII. The problem was two of the brothers had served in the US Navy in the late 1930s. Thus these two brothers were "Draft Proof" given they age but were high value enlistees if they decided to enlist. The former sailors told their recruiter they would reenlist but only if all five brothers would serve together. To get the two veterans the Navy waived the rule against siblings serving together. The Navy had more then enough volunteers with no training, what the navy was short of was TRAINED SAILORS. Thus the two veteran sailors were not only desired but disparatly needed. Given the demands of the Veterans, the Navy waived the rule against brothers serving together. The US Navy likes to say their regulations forbiding siblings serving together was adopted based on the Sullivans, but the regulation forbidding such service already existed (as did the rule permitting the waiver of that rule under "Special conditions"). Both rules still apply to enlistments and most recruiters will not enlist to many relatives to serve together, but it can still be done).

@lycaonpictus9662 2 жыл бұрын

That brothers were prohibited from serving together wasn't quite true, or at least wasn't true in practice. The Juneau wasn't unique in having brothers serving on the same ship, though the loss of the Sullivan brothers was the greatest loss of life for a single family in a single ship's sinking. On the USS Arizona for example there had been a total of 38 sets of brothers serving on the ship in either the Navy or Marines on December 7th, 1941. 23 of those sets of brothers would be wiped out during the Pearl Harbor attacks. Among the 15 sets of brothers that were not completely wiped out were 3 sets of 3 brothers, all which had a single survivor. There was also a father & son pair serving on the ship who were killed.

@paulmentzer7658 2 жыл бұрын

@@lycaonpictus9662 As I pointed out, the rule existed AS DID THE EXCEPTION. In many cases to get one sailor the Recruiter was told to enlist them to serve together but as an exception to the general rule. In fact the exception was seen more then the general rule, as in the case of the Sullivans. The Military had a problem recriuting men between the wars given the low pay allocated to Enlisted ranks (Through US enlisted pay was better then some other country's officer's pay, for example a US Army Sargerent during WWII earned as much as a British Captain, and as an enlisted person, he did not have to pay for his unifrom or meals, which the Captain, as a Commisioned Officer had to pay for both). Even with the higher pay the Military was NOT seen as anyone's first choice of employment even at the height of the Great Depression, thus the waiver appears to be more used then actual ban on such enlistments. This is NOT unusual, often the exception is used more often then the actual rule.

@pnutz_2 2 жыл бұрын

ro2 (and ro1) maps mentioned this week: red october factory, (barrikady), (tractorworks), spartanovka* *mentioned for positioning fun ro2 fact: the fixed mg34 had a low-fire-rate mode where it fired at like 550-600 rpm instead of the usual 900. edit: if you're wondering why these are really short it's because -I realised how many weeks it is until february and- I have a few saved up for uranus, mostly regarding tanks and who was on that plane in gumrak

@yousuck785why 2 жыл бұрын

God I miss playing this game.

@Chris-wy9sp 2 жыл бұрын

Hey a fellow RO2 veteran, respect bro

@KatyaAbc575 2 жыл бұрын

@@yousuck785why RO2 is still alive. Europeans servers are full usually during late afternoon.

@coltseavers6298 2 жыл бұрын

So . . . the Leader of Germany - _Adolf Hitler_ - learns of the American and British landings in North Western Africa due to British radio broadcasts?! What the heck?

@lhaviland8602 2 жыл бұрын

"This is your Reich on Abwher"

@alexandercaires5921 2 жыл бұрын

Highly likely. However; it may have been the Abwher may have informed him, but it wasn't till he heard the BBC broadcast that confirmed the Abwher were right.

@MrAmptech 2 жыл бұрын

The only known fatality in my family during WW2 was my Grandfathers younger Half Brother. His body went down with the USS Cushing DD-376 on the night of November 13 in the engagement you discuss.

@richardhannay7105 2 жыл бұрын

I believe that Barikady factory was the one to be captured almost entirely, while the massive hall 4 of Krasny Oktyabir, nicknamed the Martenovskii shop, is still under Soviet control. The soviets are putting up a dogged defence there, hiding inside the heavy blast furnaces of the steelworks to survive bombing runs and setting up strongpoints amongst the steel ingots and debris strewn across hall 4.

@gunman47 2 жыл бұрын

2:29 Also on this week on November 8, 1942, the second and sixth missions of the 2005 video game *Call of Duty 2: Big Red One* ( *Baptism By Fire* and *Liberators* ) start in Algeria in North Africa. Baptism By Fire is unique in that it has the *Vichy French* as the opposing enemies, which is relatively rare in contrast to the usual German or Japanese opponents. As *Private Roland Roger* in the *Baptism by Fire level* , the convoy that you start out with will get ambushed and you will need to defend the convoy with the mounted M2 Browning machine gun while it makes its way to the rallying point at the airfield. Once the rallying point is reached, you will have to disembark and secure the airfield by clearing out the barracks and the four aircraft hangars. Some enemy Stuka dive bombers will take off and you will ultimately need to hop on to a Flakvierling anti-aircraft gun to take them down. Next, in the *Liberators level* as *Bombardier "Stretch" Roger* , you will start out in a B-24 Liberator while flying on route to Oran, Algeria as part of a formation. Soon you will have to move to first, the ball turret, then the chin turret and finally the ball turret. You will have to take down many targets ranging from enemy cargo planes and fighters to land and sea based targets such as an enemy factory and destroyer respectively. This level has some similarities to the *Bomber level* from the 2004 video game Call of Duty: United Offensive.

@GeneralSmitty91 2 жыл бұрын

Also worth noting the first mission of Medal of Honor: Allied Assault takes place, Operation Lighting the Torch, the night before the invasion where you play Lt. Mike Powell of the OSS and sabatoge the big guns at Arzew and signal the fleet. 😉

@gunman47 2 жыл бұрын

@@GeneralSmitty91 Ah yes, I am aware of that and actually put up a separate comment on MOHAA earlier as well, but I think it got hidden by KZfaq's filters maybe for some reason. Same thing for another two levels of Call of Duty 1, Stalingrad Sewers and Pavlov's House, which happens this week as well. Which I why I said in my comments in last week's episode that this week would be quite a huge week due to the sheer number of levels that so happen to be occurring this week.

@GeneralSmitty91 2 жыл бұрын

@@gunman47 just realized there were missions taking place in Medal of Honor: Underground as well. It is indeed a very busy week.

@gunman47 2 жыл бұрын

@@GeneralSmitty91 I seemed to have overlooked the *Hunting the Desert Fox* mission (made up of four levels itself) from Medal of Honor: Underground which happened on November 5 1942 last week. Thanks for the nostalgia reminder 🤭

@GeneralSmitty91 2 жыл бұрын

@@gunman47 my pleasure! Glad to see there's someone else also fond of the golden years of WWII FPS video games from my childhood.

@gatling216 2 жыл бұрын

Story from the Slot: the Hiei is dealt some of its worst blows from a mere destroyer. The USS Laffey, lost in the confusion of the battle, nearly gets run over by the Hiei. She finds herself in such close quarters to the massive ship that Hiei can't depress her main guns low enough to hit her, so she does what any sensible destroyer would do: Unload with everything she has. Her tiny main guns start fires. Her anti-air guns pepper the Hiei's superstructure. Marines are on the deck with Tommy guns, hosing down anything that even vaguely resembles a target. Though she would later be sunk, the Laffey would go down in history as a minnow taking a bite out of a shark, and she won't be the last. This is what we call foreshadowing.

@PratzStrike 2 жыл бұрын

Laffey is best sleepy alcoholic bunny and that's an Azur Lane fact.

@docteurlowbat 2 жыл бұрын

At 8:07 : "All France wil now under direct German rule." Actualy not, Toulon harbour is still under Vichy autority. Sploiler alert : not for long ...

@jonaszach3226 2 жыл бұрын

Feels like the intro of Asterix comics

@docteurlowbat 2 жыл бұрын

@@jonaszach3226 Exactement !

@tpaktop2_1na 2 жыл бұрын

19:52 "What a week" Understatement. Now that is history packed in a tight bundle. Great video guys.

@Copyright_Infringement 2 жыл бұрын

"The beginning of the end of the end of the beginning has begun" - Winston Churchill probably

@alecmiddleton1842 2 жыл бұрын

"When they begin the beguine" - Julio Iglesias

@lotklear 2 жыл бұрын

My interest in these subjects, my time constraints, and other competing formats all combine to me ONLY watching Indy's episodes. He is a tremendous asset here.

@fromulus 2 жыл бұрын

You don't watch the war against humanity videos with Spartacus? They're just as great imo.

@ariochiv 2 жыл бұрын

It's becoming a recurring theme... the Japanese navy wins a tactical victory, but turns it into a strategic defeat by fleeing from an inferior force. Granted that it's easy to say that in hindsight without the fog of war, but the Japanese reputation for fearlessness doesn't seem to be much in evidence here.

@Yora21 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting from a military culture that prides itself for courage and fearless sacrifice.

@rabihrac 2 жыл бұрын

An astonishing week in the History of the world, indeed! And a breathtaking episode, Indy, one of your best-offs, in my opinion, again... Cheers WWT crew!

@Bacnow 2 жыл бұрын

“The flooded river blocked the retreat of Horii's force. Horii decided to raft down the river with a small party so he might more quickly reach the Buna-Gona positions that were being threatened by the Australian advance. Gunfire had been heard from the coast. When the raft became snagged on trees, he took to a canoe that was found by the river's edge. The canoe was swept out to sea and capsized during a storm. Horii drowned but his orderly survived to report his death. Horii was posthumously promoted to lieutenant general.”

@Spindrift_87 2 жыл бұрын

The Naval Battle of Guadalcanal (if only it had been titled with more brevity, perhaps) is one of the most visceral, violent, dramatic, unbelievable battles ever fought. It reads like something from the fevered imagination of a history schoolboy. Carnage in the depth of night, against a picture-postcard tropical backdrop. Floating castles of steel slugging it out at pistol range (one surviving USN officer compared it to a bar-room brawl with the lights shot out). No illumination save for the red globes of tracer shells taking angry flight on their deadly arcs, the glowing funeral pyres of brave ships burning, probing searchlight beams stabbing into the shell-torn darkness. Armoured prizefighters falling one by one in their defiant final stand. Dainty, tragic Atlanta and Juneau taking brothers and admirals alike to rest beneath Iron Bottom Sound (and how it earned its name this night). Fearless Laffey, charging an Imperial Battleship. Little footsoldier destroyers like Akatsuki and Monssen, left smoldering and sinking. Truly, in that forgotten corner of the South Pacific, it was a night to remember.

@goughrmp 2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure the 6th army would have loved those transport planes

@thijsminnee7549 2 жыл бұрын

Indy Neidell in 2014 about the French: "They will soon learn that honor has no place in modern war." Indy Neidell 2021 about the French: "Military honor is a BIG DEAL to an officer." I like how little the mentality of the officers has changed.

@Southsideindy 2 жыл бұрын

I like that you can quote me like that.

@parodyclip36 2 жыл бұрын

What was the 2014 quote referring to? Please I need to know

@thijsminnee7549 2 жыл бұрын

@@parodyclip36 the french armies reluctance to carry spades because they felt a carrying a spade into battle was dishonoring

@parodyclip36 2 жыл бұрын

@@thijsminnee7549 Can you give more details pls ? If you know any

@thijsminnee7549 2 жыл бұрын

@@parodyclip36 you mean the episode in which he said that? Cause I think I know wich one it was

@tictac2therevenge291 2 жыл бұрын

I was looking forward to this one! I wish you mentioned De Gaulle regarding operation Torch, but I'm glad you explained why the landings were opposed

@irvingsteinberg 2 жыл бұрын

I grew up in San Francisco and visited often the USS San Francisco Memorial at Landsend. The original damaged deck wings are there, testaments to the ferocity of battle. It is too bad the ship itself could not have been preserved but we are lucky for the ships that are still preserved today.

@Bullshlaha 2 жыл бұрын

*Feedback for the World War Two staff:* The effect at the beginning showing last week's holding's in Africa of the Axis, and then "shrinking" it's presented clearly the territorial change. Tomitaro Horii's picture turning from colorful to black and white to signal his death was also an awesome indication of what happened.

@felixleerstelle3054 2 жыл бұрын

I do not pretend to know everything about the Africen, Russian or European theater but still it is so refreshing and interesting to see so much on the Pacific and Asian theater. Thank you for paying every front equal respect, so that we get to appreciate the bigger picture!

@Patrick_3751 2 жыл бұрын

What a momentous week this has been! The axis are being pushed back on all sides and it looks like the allies have finally found their footing! Germany and Japan are feeling the pain from overextension and lack of resources, the American war machine is kicking into high gear, and the Red Army appears to have recovered from its devastating 1941 losses and evolved into a competent fighting force! I know the "turning point" characterization is practically a cliché when describing wars, or history in general, but that truly seems to be the case for the axis in November 1942!

@DadBod3000 2 жыл бұрын

Finally, after spending what felt like an eternity catching up on years of Content, I am actually up to date on the weekly episodes!! Thank you so much for the work that goes into this! I loved your work on the great war and I am loving this too! I would like to see something on the SAS operations in North Africa mind 😎👌

@richardgref8870 2 жыл бұрын

About the Sullivan Brothers, wich is too hard to understand: Security required that the Navy not reveal the loss of Juneau or the other ships so as not to provide information to the enemy. Letters from the Sullivan sons stopped arriving at the home and the parents grew worried, which prompted Alleta Sullivan to write to the Bureau of Naval Personnel in January 1943, citing rumors that survivors of the task force claimed that all five brothers were killed in action.[2] This letter was answered by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on January 13, 1943, who acknowledged that the Sullivans were missing in action, but by then the parents were already informed of their fate, having learned of their deaths on January 12.[2] That morning, the boys' father, Tom, was preparing for work when three men in uniform - a lieutenant commander, a doctor and a chief petty officer - approached his door. "I have some news for you about your boys," the naval officer said. "Which one?" asked Tom. "I'm sorry," the officer replied. "All five."[3] The brothers left a sister, Genevieve (1917-1975). Al was survived by his wife Katherine Mary and son Jimmy. Joe left a fiancée named Margaret Jaros, while Matt left behind a fiancée named Beatrice Imperato.[1] The "Fighting Sullivan Brothers" became national heroes. President Roosevelt sent a letter of condolence to their parents. Pope Pius XII sent a silver religious medal and rosary with his message of regret. The Iowa Senate and House adopted a formal resolution of tribute to the Sullivan brothers.

@stanbrekston 2 жыл бұрын

& what was not known to too many people, was that those sullivan boys did not like Black Folks. they were virulent anti-Black racists. there were stories that they used to go out of their way to seek out Black people to either insult, torment, or physically assault. that's why, being an African American, I shed no tears that those 5 boys 'bought it's, all at the same time.

@tams805 2 жыл бұрын

@@stanbrekston We don't need your wokeness here.

@stanbrekston 2 жыл бұрын

@@tams805 truth can be brutal.

@Dustz92 2 жыл бұрын

I get the feeling that those Junkers will be soon back in Stalingrad

@yksisolttu 2 жыл бұрын

I never really understood how close the Germans were at winning at Stalingrad. It would almost seem that the battle is already decided.

@bingobongo1615 2 жыл бұрын

And the losses of the Soviets far put outnumbered the German losses so far (and overall). Therefore I really cannot stand the point often made that the Germans were not good at city fighting while they did considerably better in numbers than the Russian. It reflects actually the German view on the battle where they expected to always beat superior Russian forces and the explanation cannot be that the Russians outnumbered them too much but there needs to be a German error to explain the loss. You will see this a lot going forward like with Kursk (attacking at the wrong time) or at Bagration (Hitlers "festung" order). And sure , the Germans made errors but so did the Russians and ultimately the Germans didnt lose because of their errors but because they simply were not strong enough to beat the Soviet forces

@tams805 2 жыл бұрын

@@bingobongo1615 Only the Russians weren't really throwing endless reinforcements into the street fighting of Stalingrad itself. They couldn't. While the Germans could send much more of their force in.

@merdiolu 2 жыл бұрын

You see ,while Germans were throwing their last reserves to Stalingrad and Caucasian campaign while Soviet military was saving its reserves for a massive pincer counter attack in 1942 autumn and winter.

@wwoods66 2 жыл бұрын

_"It would almost seem that the battle is already decided."_ Isn't it? At this point, even if the Germans clear out the remaining defenders, what does that gain them? They can't cross the freezing river under fire from the east side. They can't 'declare victory and go home'. I guess it stops the bleeding. And they might keep one force to hold the ruins while shifting other forces to meet the counterattacks.

@annoyingbstard9407 2 жыл бұрын

Winning what? A destroyed, deserted city.

@Its__Good 2 жыл бұрын

This week was breathless. Just fantastic drama. Easily the best 30 mins of TV I watched this week.

@Southsideindy 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I’m quite proud of this one actually.

@theoneduckson2312 2 жыл бұрын

It's interesting how simple the phone call was for something as insane as the multiple operations that occured this week. Even more surprising is the fact that there was time for a simple "thanks" as a goodbye! Amazing. Thank you!

@Unknowngfyjoh 2 жыл бұрын

I haven't looked forward to an episode like this in a long time...

@thexalon 2 жыл бұрын

And then there's next week. The Monty Python sketch about "You wouldn't have had much fun in Stalingrad, would you?" comes to mind.

@marcress 2 жыл бұрын

James Honrfischer, in his book NEPTUNE'S INFERNO, points out that the USS Atlanta was probably hit by friendly fire in the confusion of that night action. Norm Scott was a fine admiral.

@Perkelenaattori 2 жыл бұрын

Robert Giffen who replaced him though was not that fine. Probably the worst US admiral of the war.

@chazzerman286 2 жыл бұрын

@@Perkelenaattori It's fine, we're churning through USN admirals at quite the pace. Carleton H Wright's coming up soon (at the end of the month, I think), who I can assure you is most definitely going to respect Japanese torpedoes. Definitely. I mean, we've had nearly a year of experiencing them so far, so surely he'll respect them, right?

@Perkelenaattori 2 жыл бұрын

@@chazzerman286 Heh exactly true about Wright. I refuse to believe US Intelligence about Japanese torpedoes was so bad that they weren't respected or at least mentioned as serious threats in the reports. Giffen on the other hand was so scared of submarines and torpedoes because Germans had them so surely the Japanese had them too. This caused him to completely forget they also had air power. My personal favorite of Giffen's bumblings though is the "Battle of the Pips." The Wikipedia article doesn't do justice to that one.

@Jarod-vg9wq 2 жыл бұрын

You know that scene is many anime where the hero being defeated, and beaten senseless while being taunted by the villain? And then while the villain is busy monologuing the hero strikes a surprise attack and the tides turn? While my friends this is it.

@excelon13 2 жыл бұрын

George Patton, I feel like we’re going to be hearing that guy’s name a lot in the next few years.

@mjstbnsn6294 2 жыл бұрын

Not Lloyd Freedenhall? 🙂

@Spindrift_87 2 жыл бұрын

Would you say that you see a Patton emerging?

@stevekaczynski3793 2 жыл бұрын

@@mjstbnsn6294 He will make his mark too, in a different way...

@snapshotinhistory1367 2 жыл бұрын

@@Spindrift_87 Ba dum tisss

@Arbiter099 2 жыл бұрын

The famous balloonist?

@oOkenzoOo 2 жыл бұрын

The French flotilla at Casablanca was outdated, totally outgunned and outnumbered and yet they carried their duty, charging right at the enemy. Later the Americans would honor the bravery of those French sailors who faced them even though they knew they had no chance of winning. For those who are curious about the naval battle of Casablanca and want to know more, here's a link giving more details : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Battle_of_Casablanca

@benjolliffe864 2 жыл бұрын

arguably it would have been braver to refuse orders entirely and just side with the allies instead, rather than go along with the wishes of the nazi puppet vichy government. Quite a confused idea of 'Duty' to essentially help out your nazi occupiers

@oOkenzoOo 2 жыл бұрын

@@benjolliffe864 It seems you are the one in confusion here. France is a sovereign state which is attacked and invaded by a foreign nation. The duty of any soldier is to defend his land and follow orders, which they did. If it was soldiers from your country who laid down their weapons and joined a foreign state attacking your homeland and killing your fellow citizens, will you still think the same ?

@oOkenzoOo 2 жыл бұрын

@@stevewhite3424 In 44, the whole France was under German occupation. The soldiers guarding the coasts were german troops, not French....

@pluemas 2 жыл бұрын

@@oOkenzoOo north France was occupied by Germany and the Vichy were a puppet government of Nazi appeasers. Those french were brave to fight but the leaders were cowards to side with their puppet government rather than choose to link up with the allies (who wished to liberate their country) and fight the German occupiers (of northern France) who were pouring in.

@parodyclip36 2 жыл бұрын

@@pluemas After what happened with the British in 1940 no one in their right mind can criticise the French for wanting to defend the few sovereignty and might they had left

@lorenzofierro6174 2 жыл бұрын

USN DD-459 Laffey should have been mentioned for her action in the night action. She almost rammed Hiei and then at point blank range (10m) the order was given to open fire and all torpedoes and guns were raking the enemy ship damaging it severely and wounding Abe. She was also surrounded by other destroyers and while held on, took a shell from Hiei at point blank range and sunk. The ship will later be given a Presidential Citation for the naval actions that night. Recommend reading about the battle!

@reddeaddude2187 2 жыл бұрын

"To me, in this instance, it feels like America is that one person in every friend group that the two bitter rivals (Great Britain and France) both like, and acts as a go-between." - Me, right now

@stanbrekston 2 жыл бұрын

you know, I've been watching with great interest, & am gratified to see your number of subscribers grow from 658k, 662k, 665k, & now it stands at 667k. it's just evidence of the excellence of this series. I predict, that by the time this series is over, you will be well over 1 million subscribers. well done gentlemen, (& Ladies as well).

@cobbler9113 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video guys, you can definitely pat yourselves on the back for the awesome job you've been doing since before September 2018 when this all started. I must admit, it is nice to see spectacular Allied gains for once.

@Unknowngfyjoh 2 жыл бұрын

Have you not seen The Great War channel? They started way before 2018.

@cobbler9113 2 жыл бұрын

@@Unknowngfyjoh Yes, I'm well aware of the Great War Channel. I know they both came up with the idea of covering these events weekly, but this particular project only went live in September 2018.

@gyorkedani5531 2 жыл бұрын

Did Monty just retake the whole stretch of land they have been fighting over for 2 years in a single offensive?

@chrisvowell2890 2 жыл бұрын

Yup!!

@Dustz92 2 жыл бұрын

No, so far it's just the one they lost after Gazala

@wolf13xxx 2 жыл бұрын

My father was part of this invasion. He rarely spoke about it, but he said it was rough. His P38 got hit by AA fire and had to fly back to friendly lines by diving down to a train station, read the sign, and adjust course. All while on 1 engine and missing half a wing and no radio. RIP Dad, we all owe you.

@WorldWarTwo 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing story! Thanks for sharing it with us! P38's were very mighty beasts - had to have a strong hand to pilot one though. Piloting one missing half a wing is not a light feat to pull!

@handle1236 2 жыл бұрын

Next week, the operation that was the turning point of the war, begins...

@radioactivesumo8477 2 жыл бұрын

The ship that wounded Admiral Abe and killed his chief of staff was the Benson Class destroyer USS Laffey (DD-459). The Hiei and Laffey head full speed through the darkness towards the same point missing each other by 20 ft (10m) after which Laffey open fire with everything she had. After this Laffey having a battleship on her stern, a second on her port beam, and two destroyers on her port bow fought the naval equivalent of a knife fight in phone box until a 14 inch shell which probably came from Hiei hit her, which was closely followed by a torpedo hitting her fantail. The order to abandon ship was given but then she was ripped apart by a violent explosion and sank immediately. Of her 247 crew, 59 were killed including her commanding officer William E. Hank and 116 were wounded. She earned the presidential unit citation for this action and a later Allen M. Sumner Class destroyer was named for her as much as her original namesake.

@luxembourgishempire2826 2 жыл бұрын

You forgot to mention the Italian Invasion of Monaco. 11th November 1942.

@notidentifieduser6533 2 жыл бұрын

Hello we meet yet again

@Trilobiteer 2 жыл бұрын

I can imagine no better title for the year of 1942 than "The End of the Beginning". It has marked the furthest advances of both the German and Japanese forces and seen several critical turning points at Stalingrad, El Alamein and Midway. Each side has seen triumphant victories and crushing defeats and yet still the pace of this war seems to be getting ever larger by the day. With the fate of the world hanging in the balance, I can only wonder what awaits us in 1943.

@geraldfischnaller6022 2 жыл бұрын

Einfach nur schön dass es dieses Projekt gibt und ich mich jede Woche auf neue Hintergrundinformationen freuen kann, seit vielen Jahren vom WW 1 bis hierher. Danke.

@israelforreal 2 жыл бұрын

This was a great episode. The war requires so many bodies. Imagine the fear felt by those soliders, sailors and air personnel.

@haldorasgirson9463 2 жыл бұрын

Best history channel on KZfaq. Thanks guys.

@WorldWarTwo 2 жыл бұрын

Best audience on KZfaq. We thank you for watching!

@robertkras5162 2 жыл бұрын

The logistics of Torch must have been something - getting ships, men, landing craft, air coverage, and supplies to support three landings across an ocean, and to go essentially undetected... (and a mere 11 months after entering the war) That must have been a WTF moment for the Axis...

@reginabillotti 2 жыл бұрын

The transports didn't go completely undetected, the Germans just expected them to continue elsewhere, like Malta or Egypt.

@yes_head 2 жыл бұрын

I haven't read a detailed history of Torch, but from what I recall it wasn't the tidiest operation. Plenty of mistakes were made, but the important thing was that the allies learned a TON from the experience, that would then serve them well in Italy and then Normandy.

@alexandercaires5921 2 жыл бұрын

Technically; most ships and transports left from Norfolk to the UK then to North Africa, so it wasn't as difficult as the logistics seem. That said; it still was a feet.

@mbryson2899 2 жыл бұрын

Great stuff, Word War II! For a more in-depth account "Neptune's Inferno" covers the naval campaign around Guadalcanal amazingly well.

@j.f.fisher5318 2 жыл бұрын

Great work as always. So looking forward to next week. :)

@nicholas209 2 жыл бұрын

Ah, the start of the great Guadalcanal clusterfuck at sea. Those two Japanese destroyers that went down on the 13th each have interesting stories. The first, Akatsuki, was one of the first ships to turn on her searchlights, along with Hiei. But while Hiei was a battleship and could take the attention, poor little Akatsuki got absolutely destroyed by all the gunfire she drew to herself. Yuudachi, on the other hand, really exemplifies what a confusing mess the battle was. For one thing, she charged the American backline of 5 ships with just another destroyer, and ended up trading fire with Juneau. No one's quite sure what happened next, but she definitely took some hits and probably lost power. She then either raised a white flag in surrender, or rigged up a damn sail to try and get moving. She was eventually ambushed by two American destroyers and had to be abandoned, but even then she didn't actually sink until the next morning. Poi.

@stanbrekston 2 жыл бұрын

man, I swear I get as much information from knowledgeable people such as yourself, as I do the history books. well done, & thanks.

@aaroncabatingan5238 2 жыл бұрын

The idea that a WW2 Japanese destroyer would rig up a sail during a battle is just hilarious.

@garcalej 2 жыл бұрын

Mmm…poi.

@Custerd1 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve always wondered where the various combatants dug up all these reserves, etc. to fill gaps such in North Africa. I’m glad you explained where the luftwaffe resources came from. They all have to come from somewhere.

@TSmith-yy3cc 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic as always TimeGhost team. Thank you for all of your hard work!

@WorldWarTwo 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

@christopherflynn5586 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Indy & Team Thanks for all these episodes and particularly including the Milne Bay, Kokoda and New Guinea campaigns. As these campaigns are usually not covered by other KZfaqrs. From the Coral Sea Battle onward they were extremely important for my fellow Australians.

@WorldWarTwo 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@StickWithTrigger 2 жыл бұрын

"Drowns while retreating" Haven't heard that in awhile

@PhillyPhanVinny 2 жыл бұрын

The Naval Battle of Guadalcanal from November 12th-15th of 1942 is by far one of the most important navel battles of WW2 that is not covered much or given the credit for being as important as it was. It was the battle that actually stopped Japanese offensive operations in the Pacific during WW2 which the battle of Midway is given (Midway is still 100% one of the most important navel battles in world history though). If anyone wants a really detailed coverage of that battle in long form the Operations Channel on KZfaq did a great video on it I thought (as well as really great coverage of the 1st Gulf War). Link: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fcWBm7eV372mep8.html

@Spindrift_87 2 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%, I'd recommend it to anyone with even the vaguest interest in history (and maybe even those with hitherto none at all)

@emmeow5076 2 жыл бұрын

This is also an excellent although somewhat longer series about the Guadalcanal naval campaign. It’s well written and very interesting to anyone who likes naval history kzfaq.info/sun/PLMK9a-vDE5zGRthqKrcdizbIrKc-9MQFk

@lycaonpictus9662 2 жыл бұрын

The impact of the air campaign over the Solomons is often overshadowed by Midway. Contrary to popular belief Japanese naval air power was not decimated at Midway, and remained a potent force during the Guadalcanal campaign. It was the fierce air battles over the Solomons that decimated Japanese naval aviation, with Japan losing several times the number of pilots and machines that were lost at Midway. While U.S. losses in pilots and planes were also very heavy, testifying to both the ferocity of the aerial combat in the campaign and the skill of their foes in the IJN, the U.S. forces would finish the campaign having shot down 2 planes for every 1 of theirs lost. Perhaps more importantly, the Japanese training program that produced the feared aviators of the Kido Butai was too selective and rigorous to keep up with the attrition over the Solomons, leading to training hours being cut down to just to get replacements pumped out. By 1943 most of the Japan's best have been slain and replaced by an inferior product.

@CK-nh7sv 2 жыл бұрын

@@lycaonpictus9662 But at Midway the Japanese lost control over the war. After that, the Americans determined where the next fight would be. They chose to invade Guadalcanal, forcing the Japanese to fight them over it and thanks to the Japanese losses at Midway, the US were in a position to win the campaign. If Japan still had Akagi, Kaga, Soryu and Hiryu, the US wouldn't have been able to invade Guadalcanal or contest Japanese airpower in 1942. Of course Guadalcanal cost the Japanese more (it was a months long campaign of continuous fighting, Midway was essentially one day) and of course the Japanese were still a formidable force but the evening out of the power levels at Midway essentially doomed the Japanese to succumb sooner rather than later to American production.

@dongately2817 2 жыл бұрын

Drachnifel does an in-depth, multi-episode cover of the whole battle. It’s gotta be the definitive Guadalcanal coverage, at least on KZfaq.

@henrybostick5167 2 жыл бұрын

I can only imagine what the radio broadcasts were like for all the world on this and the proceeding days.... Although in motion for quite some time, you can physically feel the tide of the war turning... PHENOMENAL....p.s...... So happy for the people of Malta....

@marlinguidegun1657 2 жыл бұрын

My father in law invaded North Africa in Torch. He would eventually invade Anzio and would be captured in the Battle of the Bulge, being woken by a bayonet to his side. I"m not sure when he was injured by mortar fire, but he carried shrapnel for his whole life. He suffered PTSD but lived a full life. He and my mother in law would have to sleep in separate beds their whole married life as he would randomly attack her, reliving his capture. He spoke german well enough (his mother was fluent) and was treated well enough in captivity.

@eetutorri8767 2 жыл бұрын

Fun weird story I read related to Torch. Sadly I can't seem to remember where I read it from so take it with grain of salt. American scout patrol with some 10 men and jeeps was sent to check on fort that was reasonably close to a landing site. And on the road there to the fort they spotted a lone french R35 light tank heading towards them. With quick thinking they drive their jeeps into some bushes and lay a ambush. And when the tank was close enough scouts would launch a volley of anti-tank grenades from rifles with one of them scoring a direct hit on drivers spot, killing him instantly. In a panic, tank commander crawls out of the hatch from back of the turret and manages to stumble on the ground. He is taken captive. Despite the hole (and remains of the driver) the tank was still in working condition. So with some more quick thinking they managed to get it moving and they decided go with it to the fort. After some trekking they finally reach the fort and gave greetings by shooting the forts gate. Naturally all hell breaks loose and as the French were not expecting anyone they offer only some return fire with some small arms on the hand. Forts commanding officer, very unaware how many people were actually shooting outside, surrendered and thus some 10 americans with 1 loaned tank had managed to take some 80 men as prisoners.

@andmos1001 2 жыл бұрын

The truth is surprisingly funny at times

@aaroncabatingan5238 2 жыл бұрын

Some incredibly weird shit happened during the world wars. I wouldn't be surprised if this happened. During World War 1, a single American soldier with an empty pistol captured over a hundred German soldiers on the Western Front.

@reginabillotti 2 жыл бұрын

@@aaroncabatingan5238 A major German battleship, the Admiral Graf Spee, was prowling the waters off South America. After being damaged in an engagement, they turn into harbor for repairs. It is neutral territory and they are only permitted to stay 48 hours, enough time to do the most urgent work but not enough time to fully repair the ship. While there, allied intelligence agents spread stories that a large task force is waiting in ambush for them to head out to the Atlantic. The captain of the ship decides, based on this, to scuttle the ship.

@tonyhawk94 2 жыл бұрын

The nightmare and civil warish ambiance continues for France. Wait for De Gaulles to reclaim the place as leader of the resistance against Giraud...

@tonyhawk94 2 жыл бұрын

@ger du Pure random death for sure.. :)

@frederickthegreatpodcast382 2 жыл бұрын

This is the best 21st birthday present you could have given me! This series always has such great quality

@WorldWarTwo 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@naveenraj2008eee 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Indy Thrilling week. Operation torch and operation uranus next week.. Learned a lot.. Thanks..

@bloodrave9578 2 жыл бұрын

Can't wait for Willis "Ching" Lee's smackdown of Kirishima in USS Washington

@chazzerman286 2 жыл бұрын

"Stand aside, I am coming through"

@RollTide1987 2 жыл бұрын

General George S. Patton has entered the chat.

@pnutz_2 2 жыл бұрын

great now I have flashbacks to that old gif from the early internet

@RoboticDragon 2 жыл бұрын

What a great long video, these videos get better and better.

@lucenukem 2 жыл бұрын

I just noticed how the shadow of the plane over the map of Russia behind Indy is across the A-A Line, such attention to detail in every aspect

@bungobox7454 2 жыл бұрын

15:22 According to the Army Group A War Diary, 13th Panzer Division lost 45 tanks and 592 trucks in the period 26th October to 11th November 42. On the night of the actual break-out from the Gizel pocket, they lost 18 tanks and 496 trucks, most of which were abandoned in the marshy ground at the Terek ford. This was the end of the Caucasus oil pipe-dream for the Nazis. From now on it would be one long and bitter retreat out of the mountains and back to the Black sea. .

@stanbrekston 2 жыл бұрын

nice job. I love it when guys like you fill in details that are not commonly know. well done.

@LiterallyMe05 2 жыл бұрын

Let's goo. Finally a big win for the Allies in Africa. I am also waiting for the huge clap that will be Uranus and Saturn. Indie and the Timeghost crew must be really thanked for such detailed details on World war 2.

@adventussaxonum448 2 жыл бұрын

The big win had already happened at El Alamein.

@robcohen7678 2 жыл бұрын

I haven't been watching this channel very often, but I am subscribed to it so I see the updates in my feed. It's interesting to me just getting perspective on the length of time world war 2 took place over. I feel like this channel started a long time ago but we are just now in November 1942... things have been going on for a while. From the modern perspective it always feels like world war 2 was pretty short considering all that happened but seeing it happen in "real time" makes it feel way more like a long series of individual events and and evolving catastrophe.

@euanthomas1313 2 жыл бұрын

You guys do such brilliant work. You need a separate episode on the Greatest battle of the 20th Century, Stalingrad!

@Kay2kGer 2 жыл бұрын

so how did the allied managed to get this much ships trough gibralta without the axis figuring out their objective?

@rags417 2 жыл бұрын

The distance from Gibraltar to Algiers is around 800 km, which means that a convoy cruising at say 13 knots could cover it in around 30 hours. I am guessing that the fleet passed through the Straits at night so the Vichy and German commands would only get 24 hours notice tops. Also, don't forget that the Allies would have been moving ships in and out of this area continuously for months to confuse the Axis. Finally, note that knowing that huge convoy is heading up the Western med doesn't actually tell you much - is it headed for Italy, southern France or to help Monty cut off Rommel's troops retreating in Libya ?

@WorldWarTwo 2 жыл бұрын

@@rags417 there’s some blundering on the German side and good intelligence work on the tallied side involved. Astrid will cover that in the Spies and Ties episode dedicated to Torch coming out today.

@WorldWarTwo 2 жыл бұрын

The Axis command thought that there would soon be Allied North African landings, but they thought they'd be in the east at Benghazi to help trap and destroy Rommel. They were taken by surprise with Torch.

@Kay2kGer 2 жыл бұрын

@@WorldWarTwo thank you for that :)

@thehobowizard 2 жыл бұрын

Operation Torch is always so amusingly awkward.

@clarencehopkins7832 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent stuff bro

@markmcphee6996 Жыл бұрын

Tennis racket? That's a Florence flask. It is the *chemical works* after all. Awesome channel, Indy. I happened to catch one episode that was recommended by KZfaq and now I am watching all of them from the start.