180 MHz?! FNIRSI DPOX180H Digital Phosphor Dual Channel Handheld Oscilloscope Review/Teardown

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Kerry Wong

Kerry Wong

Күн бұрын

By popular request, I did a review and teardown of a FNIRSI DPOX180H handheld oscilloscope. It supports digital phosphor display, has a builtin function generator and most importantly, it has a specified bandwidth of 180 MHz and a sampling rate of 500 MSPS. Does it meet these specifications? Let's find out together. Product link: ban.ggood.vip/141OW
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00:00 Overview
03:15 Powering on, menus, basic controls
04:35 Bandwidth test
12:25 AM/FM, Digital Phosphor, color temperature display
18:56 Avalanche pulse generator
20:51 Single shot, Lissajous figures
22:13 Signal generator
24:15 Teardown
30:27 Conclusions

Пікірлер: 87
@radiotests
@radiotests 11 ай бұрын
Kerry you are usually shooting half a million outcof my league with gear. But in this case you have honestly reviewed gear many of us can only afford. A heartfelt appreciation and mad respect for the reputation you deserve on YT.
@alessandronardin5307
@alessandronardin5307 6 ай бұрын
Qq 3:39 un 1
@injoelsgarage3934
@injoelsgarage3934 11 ай бұрын
Thank you Kerry. I'm on the fence on this scope. Thanks for your time and knowledge.
@yalol
@yalol 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for reviewing!
@alklapaxida850
@alklapaxida850 11 ай бұрын
i think that the cornerstone or even the central pillar of any discussion about test equipment is "COST" as that defines the very nature of what you your going to get and at this price this hand held unit is brilliant !
@arieiwakuni2251
@arieiwakuni2251 8 ай бұрын
Kerry thanks for professional review
@marcfruchtman9473
@marcfruchtman9473 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for a great review.
@davidahmad6090
@davidahmad6090 11 ай бұрын
Yet agian, great video sir, very informative, thankyou.
@diaryofageek
@diaryofageek 2 ай бұрын
good review, I must have a slightly newer version than the one you tested, i was able to save settings as default, which removed that power on default annoyance for me. I also agree with everything you said and did. great work.
@nookcyan
@nookcyan 5 ай бұрын
Thanks bro!
@Sentinel-1
@Sentinel-1 10 ай бұрын
Kerry, can I ask you to add another great test to your bandwidth tests? If you have a signal generator capable of outputing a correct square wave with a frequency of tens of megahertz, then as a rule of thumb the oscilloscope under test should correctly display this signal at a frequency of up to 1/10 of its bandwidth. If the declared bandwidth corresponds to reality, then the square wave will be displayed correctly with a flat top/bottom without spikes, over and undershoots. It would also be great to see a comparison of all the oscilloscopes you currently have in this test, especially very cheap ones.
@Runco990
@Runco990 11 ай бұрын
I was hoping you would do a review on this scope. Most people don't understand just how important Digital Phosphor really is. Very exited at this price point, it makes a great little entry for the hobbyist. I hope Owon comes out with one to counter, as I almost picked up their latest one, with the DMM and better signal gen built in. Digital phosphor in THAT scope would be a dream!
@Aleksey-vd9oc
@Aleksey-vd9oc 11 ай бұрын
Thanks
@andymouse
@andymouse 11 ай бұрын
Excellent review Kerry and do you know what ? well, at less than one hundred quid I think I will look at this further as it seems like a good thing to have around at that money. Will you review it some more ? I don't have any questions straight off the bat but will come back and post them if I do...cheers.
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 11 ай бұрын
If any questions do come up, please let me know!
@ovalwingnut
@ovalwingnut 7 ай бұрын
You R "The Signal Whisperer".. KW. I like it along with it's low low price. I do wish units of this type could squeeze in some "analog style" control knobs... especially with "menu challenged" features. Thank you for the video... Cheers from So.CA.USA 3rd House On the Left.
@TYGAMatt
@TYGAMatt 11 ай бұрын
I bought a FNIRSI 1C-15 single channel handheld scope about a year and a half ago and it was very useful. Then bought a DSO2512G dual channel handheld scope at the start of this year, only because FNIRSI didn't have what I wanted. It's been very useful but very tempted to get one of these. As a simple hobbyist, not sure I need one, but I quite like their products. I have no need to measure a 180MHz signal, but that's not the point is it 😊
@Aleksey-vd9oc
@Aleksey-vd9oc 11 ай бұрын
if you observe signals at 10 MHz, then even on a 1Gs oscilloscope, you will have 100 points for a period and only 50 points for a half-period. On the dpoh180h with its 0.5Gs, respectively, 25 points on the half-perode. The Dso2512g has a 250Gs ADC and we have only 12 points per half-period. Thus, for a half-period of 20 MHz of the signal, the dso2512g has 6 points, the fnirsi has 12 ... etc. Whether this is enough for a hobby, and even for a particular person, is a rhetorical question. However, it is obvious that the more samples (dots) the oscilloscope has the more likely it is not to deceive you, even at relatively low frequencies.
@TYGAMatt
@TYGAMatt 11 ай бұрын
@@Aleksey-vd9oc thanks for the info. Much appreciated.
@recursoseninternet
@recursoseninternet 11 ай бұрын
It seems like a good oscilloscope, but many users keep complaining that it doesn’t work for digital measurements or for simply measuring square waves or complex waveforms because the vertical lines disappear. Fnirsi has already released a firmware update to try to fix the issue, but it seems like the problem still persists. Many claim that it is normal because it is Phosphor, but it seems inconvenient for square waves
@gonzalotalento969
@gonzalotalento969 11 ай бұрын
Hi! Awesome video! Looking for a sub 200 portable oscilloscope, which one would you say is the best of the bunch? It seems there are more than a couple of options
@EdSteger-en6jj
@EdSteger-en6jj 7 ай бұрын
Hi I just bought one an the review was very helpful. Do you think that it would be possible to upgrade the adc’s or anything else on it. Thank you
@davidh1187
@davidh1187 4 ай бұрын
There is a menu option to save settings.
@qzorn4440
@qzorn4440 8 ай бұрын
Very nice little scope. 🥳 When the cheap hobby 12 bit oscilloscopes start flooding the market then I will get one. 😎 Thank you for the great video.
@isoslow
@isoslow 29 күн бұрын
Not gonna happen. Cheapest you can get is DHO800 and that's for many years to come.
@qzorn4440
@qzorn4440 29 күн бұрын
@@isoslow Darn.
@hendriagustian7082
@hendriagustian7082 8 ай бұрын
Suitable for measuring components (all) types of coils (transformers), especially high frequencies (determining the point marks), but whether the Duty Cycle has been updated (becomes higher) than before, I'm not sure (especially cheap class Oscilloscopes).
@richfiles
@richfiles 8 ай бұрын
Dave Jones did a review and teardown of the FNIRSI DPOX180H 180MHz DPO just recently, and interestingly enough, the one he has had a different front end. Most of it looked the same, but there was a shorter chip in the center, and they added a group of six VHF/UHF transistors after that central chip. Wonder what the changes are doing? His seemed to have major issues with signal stability. I wonder if they did a cost reduction, or what.
@EonTide1111
@EonTide1111 22 күн бұрын
Have you reviewed any of the siglent handheld oscilloscopes?
@NN-gb5lf
@NN-gb5lf 8 ай бұрын
Kerry, I have this scope now. It works pretty great for the price but I'm seeing one odd thing - measured voltages are about 200 mV less than what I measure through my multimeter. For example, the scope reports a Vmax of 5V for a 5.2V DC supply. Do you see anything similar with voltage readings? I believe I have the 10X probes probes properly compensated and I've run baseline and system calibrations from the menu. I'm not sure if my device has some drift or if it's something else I'm missing. Would you mind checking this out if you get the chance? Thanks in advance!
@EVLOGIA-k9f
@EVLOGIA-k9f 11 күн бұрын
Never thought that this model is far more than what i expected. I have brought one but intention is to use it as a display for a low cost Analog Signature Analyzer instead of buying FADOS or Huntron which is very expensive.
@Igor_user
@Igor_user 8 ай бұрын
Lots of buttons, but few needed ones. There is a big error in measuring RMS with this oscilloscope, both in DC and even more inaccurate in AC input mode. Supposedly it can be fixed by replacing (increasing) the input capacitor; about 0.1 µF is needed. And at a frequency of 1 kHz and a sweep of 5 ns, a “bug” appears - a phantom signal, you can check it on the meander. On large sweeps, the oscillogram is drawn from the opposite side. You can catch single signals and compare them with another oscilloscope. Sensitivity at 5 mV was not tested. In two-channel mode, the in-phase consistency could be checked. It is not reliable, but there is an information that with the Zeeweii DSO3D12 at frequencies from 5 MHz it is already visible, and at 25 MHz it is already clearly visible how the phases in the channels diverge on a sinusoidal signal. Don't you have mobile oscilloscope manufacturers in America? Why do you need these crooked Chinese?
@emraharslan7361
@emraharslan7361 22 күн бұрын
Hello OWON I am undecided between HDS2102S and FNIRSI DPOX180H, which one is better, I would be glad if you can help me. Thanks.
@Sobakin76
@Sobakin76 11 ай бұрын
At last someone do bw test with proper termination, thanks!
@juhaszpeter4796
@juhaszpeter4796 10 ай бұрын
You said in the video that there is no data about the memory depth. On Fnirsi's page, the parameter is among the pictures. There is something called "storage depth 120Kpts".
@juhaszpeter4796
@juhaszpeter4796 10 ай бұрын
The above value is not the memory depth, it has not yet been possible to find out what it means. In fact, he only saved 25K points.
@TheDefpom
@TheDefpom 11 ай бұрын
I think @7:30 the bandwidth is not actually usable, as the sample rate appears to be insufficient, as observed by the obvious jitter.
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 11 ай бұрын
@TheDefpom, this is most likely due to the interleaved sampling from both ADCs.
@lezbriddon
@lezbriddon 11 ай бұрын
bench version larger screen would be nice
@ivolol
@ivolol 10 ай бұрын
Yes, I got this. Cheaper than a benchtop scope, no worries with earth grounding loops like a normal oscope, and at least they are not lying about their basic bandwidth claims. It seems they capable of learning and improving. Now they just need a better brand name XD Big annoyance is not remembering settings. I want to be in 10x/AC by default when I turn it on (least chance I can damage anything / get full bandwidth), but that has to be changed every time... a firmware patch would be nice. Being able to divide the sig gen amplitude from 0->1V wouldn't hurt, feels another half-effort feature added on for marketing.
@NN-gb5lf
@NN-gb5lf 8 ай бұрын
It has an option in the menu to save current settings as default and it will remember it (in case you haven't found it already) I also purchased this scope following the video and it's great so far. However, there's one thing bothering me - not sure if it's my unit or something else but my measured voltages are all about 200mV below what I measure on the multimeter. E.g 5.2V DC gives a Vmax of 5V. Are you experiencing this by any chance?
@Mauro-qy6sr
@Mauro-qy6sr 3 ай бұрын
Why doesn't my DPOX180 turn on after only a month? Didn't anyone happen?
@battlecoder
@battlecoder 11 ай бұрын
This is a great unit, but I would say that the sample rate is a bit insufficient for "actual" 180 Mhz. You get ~2.5 sample points per wave cycle, which, yes, is above Nyquist frequency, but typically you would need 4 or 5 samples for a somewhat-accurate waveform reconstruction, so it's quite possibly doing heavy sine interpolation. There's many scopes out there with 2x the sample rate (1GSa/s) yet they barely claim 100Mhz bandwidth, which makes the 180Mhz rating a lot more suspicious. Having said that, being able to capture and show a wave anywhere near 200Mhz is WILD for this price range, even if it's not accurate in amplitude or features. Regarding frontend gain, I can't tell hardware-wise, but I wouldn't discard the device having some software gain adjustment to compensate for "expected" attenuation as frequency increases, because in my tests I also observed an increased amplitude as frequency went up, which is kinda the opposite of what happens in my other scopes. I truly appreciate the in depth review and teardown. I was eagerly waiting for someone with more experience and more adequate gear than what I have, to review this product.
@madcalm2024
@madcalm2024 9 ай бұрын
DPO may have 2 times as lower sample rate compared with similar visualization quality as compared to DSO.
@marat719
@marat719 8 ай бұрын
I think most good oscilloscopes use 5-10 times difference between sampling rate and analog bandwidth to be sure all high frequency components are suppressed enough to not be visible after frequency mirroring. They make amplifier with flat frequency response in declared range and need some extra frequency range to lower response maybe 40 db.
@tvbox8478
@tvbox8478 2 ай бұрын
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@achimlaurentiu6905
@achimlaurentiu6905 10 ай бұрын
how to set the sensitivity on ch2 when both channels are activated?
@juhaszpeter4796
@juhaszpeter4796 10 ай бұрын
in the upper right corner, it says which channel you are setting. you can change this with the mod/ok button. CH1, CH2 and if cursor measure is active then CSR. If it says the cursor, you can switch it to the other line with AUTO, but with CHx it matches the time and sensitivity to the signal!
@hflorin07
@hflorin07 11 ай бұрын
Hi. If you save the settings, you will not lose it. You need to save the settings for this little device... 😀
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 10 ай бұрын
Yes, however most scopes do this automatically when powering off.
@privatename7627
@privatename7627 21 күн бұрын
I purchased this model, and found that when probes are calibrated in DC mode, the calibration being lost when switched into AC mode. Also, its signal generator suffers from large DC offset. Contact to customer support resulted in no solution. It is very disappointing... Kery, please check probe calibration on your unit. And short followup video would be greatly appreciated.
@FantaBH
@FantaBH 8 ай бұрын
Banggood says "Due to policy reasons, this product does not exist " so ur link not working
@Aleksey-vd9oc
@Aleksey-vd9oc 11 ай бұрын
this fnirsi first good fnirsi
@user-dz1nm6ed4y
@user-dz1nm6ed4y 9 ай бұрын
А если разобрать аппарат и посмотреть на элементарную базу, тогда всё встанет на свои места. Подумайте.Запустите модулируемый сигнал и проверьте истинность показаний. Пока это игрушка, а после устранения недостатков имеет место быть для простых радиолюбителей. Для профи-это игрушка.
@5cent
@5cent 8 ай бұрын
Профи берут настольные осцилографы и от других фирм. Естественно что карманные для любителей
@alex-marques
@alex-marques 9 ай бұрын
I have the DSO2512g, is this better? Should I upgrade? I use to measure audio signals for sound system alignment
@tiagoferreira086
@tiagoferreira086 8 ай бұрын
I would say that if your scope get the job done maybe you should save some money for later buy a decent and more capable scope
@alex-marques
@alex-marques 8 ай бұрын
@@tiagoferreira086 For example?
@honumoorea873
@honumoorea873 7 ай бұрын
Get better at knowing your device then you'll know what you need.
@examplerkey
@examplerkey 9 ай бұрын
About ten years ago, someone told me that the actual manufacturing price for any device whether a computer mouse or TV in China is about 50 cents but you will never get that price as a consumer or even as a wholesaler. That's how the manufacturers keep the price super low. Also there maybe some geopolitical elements, for example, instead of making huge profits (they still do anyway), China decides to help the world with both cheap and high tech products at very reasonable prices, so the whole world can enjoy, as opposed to the American model where you have to wait 20 years to buy (if you have money) a second hand product as evidently shown by the look of your lab equipment.
@robertb8636
@robertb8636 9 ай бұрын
Why do you listen to ppl telling you such a BS... use common sense instead.
@PatrykT889
@PatrykT889 7 ай бұрын
Dpox180h or hds2102s/hds2202s? No matter price
@shaolin95
@shaolin95 3 ай бұрын
This is one of those channels that never answers any questions
@Misigun99
@Misigun99 11 ай бұрын
It easily outperforms the FRNSI 1014D
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 11 ай бұрын
Yes, I did a review on the 1014D last year and that scope wasn't even able measure beyond 30 MHz. And it could not capture fast signals (e.g., avalanche pulses) correctly.
@Misigun99
@Misigun99 11 ай бұрын
@@KerryWongBlog what do you think about the Micsig STO1004 vs Siglent sds1104x-e, which one would you recommend?
@rpdigital17
@rpdigital17 10 ай бұрын
500 MSample/s is considered as 50 MHz analog signal.
@juhaszpeter4796
@juhaszpeter4796 10 ай бұрын
Real-time sample rate: 50Mhz, Equivalent-time sample rate: 180Mhz?
@KuntalGhosh
@KuntalGhosh 11 ай бұрын
Can it do fft?
@petersvideofile
@petersvideofile 11 ай бұрын
16:30
@jancavojsky3161
@jancavojsky3161 7 сағат бұрын
ADC is probably AD9288, like in this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a8-np6eor9LGh58.html. The real sampling is maybe 200mps? The Chinese manufacturer to lie about sampling rate of 500Mps.
@RenegadeFury
@RenegadeFury 11 ай бұрын
250-500 megsamples, and 180 MHz rated... lol
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 11 ай бұрын
I did mention for dual channel you wouldn't be able to achieve 180 MHz. Technically speaking, 180 MHz with 500 MSPS is possible and still has some margin, assuming the signal is sinusoidal.
@das250250
@das250250 11 ай бұрын
So much background noise in earphones .. you might need a notch filter
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 11 ай бұрын
Sorry, I currently am recording on my SONY ALPHA 6000 it doesn't have a external mic jack and hissing noise is mainly from the wireless mic system.
@patrikfloding7985
@patrikfloding7985 3 ай бұрын
Instant regret buying this. It doesn't even remember the probe scaling after a power off. No-one in their right mind would design a 'scope that remembers nothing between restarts. Totally impractical for any kind of real work. And the ZT-703S has a much larger display. Why don't youtube reviewers actually try to use the stuff they review?
@deepblueskyshine
@deepblueskyshine 4 ай бұрын
An oscilloscope is not an indicator. It is a measuring tool, so "a bit of non linearity" will prevent a normal person from calling this contraption an oscilloscope.
@HK-uq9by
@HK-uq9by 3 ай бұрын
Which one do you prefer to buy?
@stevenbliss989
@stevenbliss989 11 ай бұрын
I always look at FNIRSI with DEEP suspicion, they LIE a lot! I hope you do a SINGLE SHOT TEST because you ALWAYS fail to do this, ...please do!!!!!!!!!
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 11 ай бұрын
If you look at my review of the Fnirsi 1014D last year you'd see that that scope was using some kind of equivalent sampling and was not able to capture the avalanche signal correctly. I am not saying it is not possible they are still incorporating some kind of equivalent sampling technique in this scope. But it would be extremely difficult to implement with very short duration repeatable pulses. I think we can agree based on the findings that this scope is significantly improved over the Fnirsi 1014D.
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 11 ай бұрын
If you can think of a good experiment to perform I'd be happy to do that. BTW, I just did single shot test on the avalanche pulse, and I could capture that pulse without any problem, but it doesn't prove or disapprove anything that I have already shown in the video. So if you have a good suggestion, please let me know! And if I have the right equipment I will verify and may even make another video.
@andymouse
@andymouse 11 ай бұрын
Nice one Kerry.@@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 11 ай бұрын
@sergivaschenko Thanks! I will have to find a way to generate a single pulse with my avalanche pulse generator as it's not easy to do.
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