Oh I didn’t even consider how the negative jokers being free from the charm tag would affect Anaglyph deck, wow

1:21:04 With each trigger, Bloodstone gives x2, Blueprint gives another x2, and polychrome gives x1.5. That's a total of 2*2*1.5 = x6 per trigger. (Newly buffed) Hanging Chad triggers a card 2 times (which is not multiplied by Hack or red seal), for a total of 6*6 = x36. I'm here to say that that Twitch chatter was right.

"We're approaching the point where we may actually lose" and the motherfuckin video still got more than *THIRTY MINUTES LEFT*

I'm glad you got that pair of pants; really saved the run there.

I can say with absolute certainty that after watching a few balantro games that I have no idea what is even happening but it's entertaining

This is an a times b situation. chips actually do matter, as does base(added during scoring) mult, because all of the Xmult will be doubling these base values. So, even Wee Joker in the end was effectively a 1.2x mult, because 2000 chips is 20% of 10,000 chips, which is what the chips are at after all the card scoring is done. Wee Joker's value is greatly overshadowed by all the extra chips given by hiker, in this situation. Without hiker value, it would have only been perhaps 2000 chips, and not 10000 chips, and, in that case wee joker would be effectively a 2x mult. Throughout this whole ride, Wee Joker was at the best moments kinda like a 6x mult, plus or minus. Fantabulous run, excellent joker RNG for real. Hiker putting in the work. For squeezing out the Most toward the very end, a Showman is what one needs. You carry the showman and look for one extra re-trigger, copy card, or Idol or bloodstone. one of those would add about +e8 or so... someone check me on that. You do this while your blinds are still low enough that you can make them while holding the showman

Pre-buff Yorick was a x5 right? So with 23 full 5 card discards, they reach x5 at the exact same time, but now post-buff Yorick can reach x2, the minimum considered "online" in 5 discards minimum aka 2 rounds instead of waiting nearly 8 rounds for a joker to come online at which point you might have already lost, not to mention the fact that new Yorick scales BEYOND the 5x mult.

1:25:20 o7 to the negative ice cream finally melted after all that neglect lol

My favorite part of this run was the electric slide of all the jokers triggering at the end of each hand. Very satisfying

Yeah the superchat was right, if you ignore polychrome and lucky, then you want as close to even on the things that happen when you trigger a card, and the retrigers, since if bloodstone only happens once per trigger, with 4 triggers, that's less than happening twice per trigger, with 3 trigger

Bloodstone being 1 in 2 means that the probability increasing card goes nuts with it, had a great run that got way further than I've ever gotten built around that core. I like a lot of the changes in the new patch, although I'm not sure how I feel about the game being overall way easier than the launch patch - it seems like there might need to be additional difficulties that re-nerf the jokers being free, investment tag being 25 instead of 15 and so on. Joker balance changes seem mostly correct, from my experience. I'm a little sad that four of a kind jokers have been completely reworked to be 2 pair, since 4 of a kind is already an undersupported suit, but those jokers were pretty hard to use. Overall, high-quality patch this close to release is exciting, and I think I only have issues with it because I have the base game to compare to.

I made an MS Paint mock-up of how to arrange the copies and came to the conclusion that, with two full retrigger jokers, two x2 on trigger jokers, two copy jokers, AND the red seals. The generally correct setup would be to copy the x2s with both copy jokers. That way, cards trigger 4 (original, hack, dusk, seal) times and for each one we get 4 (blood, idol, copy, copy) triggers of x2s, giving us 4x4=16 x2 triggers per card and 80 per hand. Were we to copy one of the retriggers and one of the x2s, it would become 5 (original, hack, dusk, seal, copy) times 3 (blood, idol, copy) with 15 triggers per card and 75 per hand. This seems negligible but does give us a deificit of 5 fewer x2s per hand. Copying both retriggers drops us to a staggering 6 (original, hack, dusk, seal, copy, copy) times 2 (blood, idol), leaving us at 12 x2s per card, and only 60 per hand. What if we add the glass cards, though? I'm happy to let you know that, even with glass cards, copying both x2s is still the best option by exactly 2 triggers. Making the last 3 cards glass gives us additional x2s to the amount of retriggers per card. You'd think you'd wanna maximize retriggers in that case but let's math it out. Copying both retriggers gives us 6 additional x2s per card, multiply this by 3 for each glass and we get 18 additonal x2s. Cool, that's 78 x2s. But that just misses the quad x2s by 2 triggers. Copying one of each gives us 5 additional x2s per glass, so 15. Adding those to our count of 75 we are now at 90 x2s. That's pretty neat. But by copying both x2s we get 4x3 x2s from the glass added to the 80 we already had, which leaves us at 92. And at this point in the game, two addtional triggers of x2s is worth a decent amount. And with all of that considered, I'm pretty sure those three glass cards would've been enough to get you to e37 had you copied the x2s over the retriggers. This is all based on my understanding of how the game would handle all of this information so if I am wrong about any of this, please let me know. Of course, all of this is hindsight (though I was hoping you'd experiment with the copy setup a little more while you were safe to do so but you never went for the x2 double copy). The reason I'm sharing all of this is because I was curious about the optimal setup and WHY it would be the optimal setup and felt like, after all of that, I should share my findings.

The channel I watch the most alongside Roffle 😊

Roffle is my favorite Balatro creator! (Still watch the Hearthstone to help the viewer numbers on that side channel)

Congrats on the high score Roffle, that was a great run to watch live! I didn’t know at the time somebody programmed a balatro calculator, but excel works just fine.

Hmmm I have been challenged by roffle saying the numbers are too big to work with for human minds. Okay so the trick here is gonna be some calc b= number of bloodstone/idol jokers r= number of retrigger jokers times_mult = ((1.5)(2)^(5b))^(10+5r) = ((3)^((5b)(10+5r)) = (3)^((25)(b)(2+r)) So we just need to maximize b(2+r) b+r = 5 (or 6 on last hand) So let's begin by calculating for hands 1 & 2 (not that they matter but might as well) b = 5 -r f(r) = (5 - r)(2 + r) = 10 +3r -r^2 f'(r) = 3-2r the absolute maxima is at r = 3/2 Hmmm not nice since we can't have half a joker. but it tells us that if r is 1 or 2 we get the same answer (a property of quadratics) times mult will equal 3^300 Now for we have to do the math for the final hand b+r = 6 b = 6 - r f(r) = (6-r)(2+r) = 12 + 4r - r^2 f'(r) = 4 - 2r the absolute maxima is at r = 2 So on the dusk round we only want 2 retrigger jokers, dusk and hack, both copy effects should be on Bloodstone or Idol. in total it ends up at times_mult = 3^400 Might have messed up somewhere in the math, it would be having to do with the polychrome if I did. But if I did this is a good exercise for the viewer to check my work And the math will change with glass being in the hand too. That I genuinely just don't care to work out.

so far, from what i’ve played and seen, i’m winning just as often in every stake as i was before despite the changes, and im having more fun because the runs more consistently get off the ground but they consistently win the same amount as before. essentially the game is more rewarding to play, but takes more time, and is awesome this update is fantastic honestly

I feel like this wasn’t the best intro to Balatro I could’ve found, but I think I figured it out by the end. This video was very enjoyable to watch, even to someone who had absolutely no idea what was going on.

Needed negative Pareidolia and Sock & Buskin

Would you believe me that it's actually a compliment when I say I use your videos to fall asleep to? I watch them at work, but also when I need to fight my decades-long insomnia (works rather well!) It's this perfect balance of interesting to keep me focused so my mind doesn't end up in infinite loops of fixation, while being repetitive and not overstimulating as to keep me awake.

Hey Roffle, love your videos. I really like the way you handle backseaters, it's hilarious!

Watched your hearthstone content for a while Enjoying the Balatro stuff Keep up the good work

you shouldve done the same strategy on a 2 instead of a 3 for infinite wee joker scaling as well

The sad part is that the chatter at the end was wrong. Had he kept the joker arrangement as is, we would have scored 6 x e37 clearing the blind and collecting another 10 negatives.

That was awesome dude

when you got the hand size voucher, would it have made sense to add a single red seal steel to hold when you play your flush 5?

omg what a run! I just have a question: why not putting more steel cards? I am total amateur compared with you guys, but why not using the discards more often ? what's the point of having ONLY 3 of hearts with the red marks, if you can play only 5 cards a time with a hand holding 7 cards? I get it's for consistency, but out of 23 cards, it makes sense to have 4-5 steel cards in the deck, or I'm missing something? statistically, with 5 discards and so few cards in the deck, you are almost guaranteed to play every hand with 5 scoring cards and 2 steel cards in hand. Also, why not buy the wheel every single time? with the whoops joker the chances are not too bad. Also why the popcorn at the end? Or these changes would be anyway too marginal?

I think a tier list video for Negative Utility Jokers would be cool. I'd like to see where they end up once the downside of tying up space without providing Chips or a Multiplier is taken out of the equation. Also, it would've been a power move to single out one of those Polychrome 3s and just keep hitting it with Strength until it rolls back into a 2. Probably not that big of a deal, but still a power move. An Endless B mode that makes the Blinds not scale anywhere close to as hard but also routinely donkey punches your multiplier so that the game can last longer would be really cool.

I forgot to pull out* because I was so excited to watch. *my headphones

I wish I could get luck like this, this was nuts

Imagine how much better this would’ve been if the lucky poly red seals were twos instead of threes.

For some reason watching this video made my very next run similar in jokers I got, Hack, Blueprint, Oops all 6 even Yorick, I managed to unlock both Satellite and the extra -1 Ante, awesome run from you and mine

You just gotta think of triggers as your chips, and the multiplicative jokers as your mult, bloodstone and idle provide 8 mult and hack brainstorm and blueprint provide chips (along with the initial trigger) being 4 chips, if you took blueprint and put in on bloodstone then you have 12 mult and 3 chips… being 36 where-as your first strat gave only 32

I already heckin loved bloodstone before the change and it's now my favorite strategy period.

huge anaglyph deck and cola joker buff

In general, having an even distribution of retriggers vs 2x's is always the way, for example: 3x2 is 6 (3x2 here being used to represent amount of retriggers and 2x's) making it 4x2 (8) vs 3x3 (9) (adding 1 to either side) shows easily that evening it out is better so 3x3 is better, aka even distribution is king Also I'm pretty sure at the end there, blueprint should have stayed on Idol

1:27:45 “this is gonna be a behemoth to edit btw” uh yeah dude, over 2 hours on this run, unseeded and insane ante, great job though

I still haven’t unlocked every deck, so I think you have the jokers in the good spot

The true high score wasn't the score Roffle created, but the Joker friends he made along the way

ahh that was so close to 10 more negatives

Yeah, orange and gold stakes have been hell as of late.

I find the new gold stake much harder to get started, since all the new modifier on jokers really suck.... but once I get the run going, it's insanely easier with how much you can abuse packs to get your econ good, then fish for jokers you want. I failed my first bunch of runs, then won 5 in a couple hours.

Can you get achieves on the new patch while it’s still in the experimental build?

What a legendary run

So if you like the video, like the video

Can riff Raff spawn eternal jokers? I'm wondering if you got an eternal riff Raff and a madness?

How do you go beyond the 3 skip bonus? Is it a mod?

i had to go through that same realisation that using the double tags on the double skip wouldnt help at all RIP

off topic, what s the outro song?

What if, when you have 19jokers and one slot free, you try to have the joker that allow you to get a 2nd time the same card so you can get to blue print ?

Nice the view count starting to go up on balatro videos

1:23:21 wouldn't ancient joker be better than dusk in this particular scenario?

Everybody out here saying what scores highest or what's best, and I'm sitting here like the science lab golden retriever meme. "I have no idea what I'm doing".

even if the negative tag would be on the small blind at the end - you would still lose as you would need to defeat the big blind

And why don't get the skip of the vaucher, then you get +2 size of hand and an other negative joker

His final score of 7.608e34 is 76 undecillion, which looks like this 76,080,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

So post experimental build. I have gone from bashing my head against wall on even the red deck on base stake to actually winning rounds. Before the experimental change I had two wins in nearly 30 hours of play time. I have gotten four or five wins in about 8 hours with the experimental update. There might be some stuff that needs to get tuned back like maybe it only gives you a buffoon pack if there isn't already one in the first shop because I've had a couple of rounds where I get two packs and I just bought both of them because why not? There is still some RNG available but now the game's not in a state where I feel like I need to rage reset to get a good first shop. I've played some pretty horrible Jokers off of my first buffoon pack to a win in the experimental update and that feels better than repeatedly restarting until I get a good one

1:27:50 having one more trigger on heartstone would probably be better. After idol I'm not sure anymore.

what a lucky run

Maybe there should be a spectral card that lets you select any number of cards i. Your hand and reduce their rank by one. Would be niche but cool

How come no one reminded him to discord for the tornado joker at the end???

Madness carried me. Got it at the first shop. Made it polycrhome never bought a joker until ante 8. All jupiter cards. Got like level 16 flush with a x20 mult from madness

Technicaly deleting mroe cards helps with hiker scaling - if you keep hiting the same 3's with it they gonna give alot chips - prob outscaling wee joker completly

Damn imagine a negative lucky cat and yorick

Rip vampire gone too soon

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JOKES ON YOU CHUCKLENUTS, IT WAS WEE-JOKER RUN 2 THE WHOLE TIME!!!!1!!1! Also, to answer your question posed in the title, no, you only got 18.

God the math actually hurts my tiny feeble mind

I think copying the hack is better since if you retrigger the card you retrigger the totem, but if its the last hand either the dusk or the hack will do the same thing

Always remember: Retriggers are always additive, never multiplicative. Double-copied Hack on a red seal 3 will proc that card 5 times; Hanging Chad makes it 7 times. With a Flush Five of this, the difference between Hanging Chad and not Hanging Chad will be 27 procs versus 25 procs; thus, not very good.

Bro madness was nerf, i cant, drawback of just having 1 joker, i cant.

23:48 with the magician you can upgrade two cards. But how ? I can only upgrade one card at once 🤔😢

bloodstone giving 2x mult guaranteed on a 5-card hand with three full retriggers is 1,048,576x mult a small amount larger than yorik's 10x or so

Maybe im wrong but I would have create more blue seal in steel

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12 negative joker = digital crack

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Did he get double eris without showman? Is that possible?

At the end, with red seal, hack, dusk and brain storm you had 25 triggers of cards, with 2×2×2 for bloodstone, idol and blueprint. Making a total of 8²⁵≈3,7e²² mult for these jokers. If you had used the brainstorm to copy either idol or bloodstone, you would have gotten 5 less trigger, but 2 times more mult so (8×2)^(25-5)=16²⁰≈1,2e²⁴ So you still had a way to get stronger Just sayin 🙄

Roffle sure seems to like his hung men

So, Yorick isn't so poor anymore

roffle telling everyone look how hungry this boy is as im eating my breakfast i feel shamed

Seed?

If Localthunk sees this, I think the joker tags giving free stuff is too much. I think making them cheaper (like making them cost 3$ instead of free) would balance it. And make it so that that rental effect is removed after like 3 rounds like an actual rental so it isn’t a strain to the amount of cash you get each round.

I really hope the dev can make this accessible on phones or tablets. This is the perfect game to play when you have no internet. And not everyone is gonna take their consoles or pc or switches out places. Every one takes their phones though. I don’t think the price should be $15 on phone. If the dev truly wants to get his product out there to the world. $5 Every dollar the amount of customers drops exponentially. The thing about a low price like that too is he might make the same amount if he were to sell it for $15. But he’d have 3x the people playing it. Which means 3x the amount of people talking about it. I truly think this would be one of the greatest phone games

Baseball is so much better than the lucky cat

Is it just me or is this guy just skoottie but like… a software developer? Does that makes sense? No? Ok just checking.

it actually made me mad how many times he used the wheel on 2 in 4 to hit when he could've copied the oops all sixes to get 4 in 4 for it to hit it Edit: nvm I'm stupid and it does not work

o7

7:45 noodles 100% better than bus considering you're 1 shooting the blinds and bus is awful for high score

Obligatory outlandish youtube comment.

it was a mistake not continuing to develop the wee joker, a 10k chips would've helped prolonging the run...

The update is op, come lets admit it. With this deck its literally impossible to lose unless you’re an idiot

should have kept the cat + idol... 10 more jokers...