1921 Kodak 3A - Shooting 50-year-old film in a 100-year-old camera

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Oddball Camera

Oddball Camera

Күн бұрын

Shooting a circa 1921 Kodak 3A using Verichrome Pan in the native 122 size. The film I'm using expired in 1969, two years before size 122 film was discontinued. I discuss a few of the primary features of the camera and then take it out shooting. The use of dry plates is also briefly discussed.
This may end up being a "Part 1" video, as there are more features to discuss about this camera and its immediate sibling, the 3A Special series.
Please also take a look at Jason Lane's dry plates offered here:
www.pictoriographica.com/

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@michaelrundle5279
@michaelrundle5279 9 ай бұрын
Great video! Retired Kodak employee of 30 years, most of which were in Rochester, though I worked in the graphic arts division of Kodak. Kodak was a wonderful company to work for and virtually every employee took great pride in making products of the highest quality, as evidenced by this camera and film. Thanks for sharing.
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera 9 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing your comment! It's really great to hear from someone who actually worked at Kodak and can share a little about what it was like to work there. I really appreciate your message!
@DDFJ1230
@DDFJ1230 Жыл бұрын
I remember being a little kid and playing with a camera very similar to this one at my grandparents house. I can't help but wonder if it is still there! My grandmother is the only one still living. I should ask soon.
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
You should definitely try to track that down!
@Narsuitus
@Narsuitus 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. A few years ago, I was going to buy one of these cameras until I learned that fresh 122 roll film was no longer produced.
@Kaiya.Kulshan
@Kaiya.Kulshan 3 ай бұрын
Dry plates sound fascinating I wouldn't know where to begin thank you for the resources
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera 3 ай бұрын
They are fun, good luck!
@Kaiya.Kulshan
@Kaiya.Kulshan 3 ай бұрын
@@oddballcamera what size did you use for this camera? I bought the ansco version you talked about. Your video on it was very informative
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera 3 ай бұрын
@@Kaiya.Kulshan If you have the Combination Back for the camera, the plate size is 3.25" x 5.5". J. Lane makes this size, although in looking at his website right now it appears that they've suspended production for the moment. Zebra Dry Plates is another source, and I see that they make a plate for 3A cameras.
@drewhoyle
@drewhoyle Жыл бұрын
This is great, thanks for putting this video together. I just recently acquired my grandfathers old cameras (one of which is this very camera). I was sad to hear that they don't make the film for it anymore, although not surprised, as I hoped to try and use it with my own photography. Love the shots of the Mukilteo lighthouse and of Snoqualmie River areas, since I've lived in the Everett area my whole life. Thanks again for putting this video together, and I hope you have a fantastic weekend. 😊
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
Thank you! There are a couple of options to use the camera--one is to try to find expired 122 film online, typically on eBay. This can take some time and can also be a bit expensive. Another option is to buy 122-to-120 film adapters and then use commonly-available 120 film in the camera. With this option you will get narrower negatives since 120 film is a narrower film stock than 122, but you can at least try out the camera with modern film!
@pedromeza2398
@pedromeza2398 10 ай бұрын
You can use cut film if you have the dry plate back.
@MilledSteel
@MilledSteel Жыл бұрын
My photography interest was sparked recently while watching a video about the Mallory expedition to Everest and the lost camera 👍
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
Yes! I am a big Mallory/Irvine nerd. I've been looking for a Vest Pocket Kodak for a while but haven't found one quite yet!
@lensman5762
@lensman5762 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful timeless photography. Thanks for using these old marvels of mechanical engineering a nd not just collecting them.
@KurtClark
@KurtClark 5 ай бұрын
This is fantastic! All through the video I was asking myself, "I wonder if the camera could be outfitted to accept 4x5 large format film sheets. Then you showed the plate adapter at the end! It's brilliant, and the pictures that thing took are beautiful. Thanks for sharing!
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! I really appreciate the feedback. I hope to have another video about this camera done sometime in coming months.
@chadparsons1972
@chadparsons1972 9 ай бұрын
I'm also in Oregon, I also shoot with vintage cameras. I really enjoyed watching your video.
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera 9 ай бұрын
Thank you! I hope to have another 122 camera video up soon.
@terryroth2855
@terryroth2855 10 ай бұрын
Pretty awesome from a very old camera and very old film. Well done!
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera 10 ай бұрын
Thank you! I plan to publish another video with this camera again soon. Stay tuned!
@grahvis
@grahvis Жыл бұрын
122 film! Wow. I have used 116 film in a Kodak Autographic, I thought those negatives were big.
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
Yes! 116/616 negatives are large, and 122 negatives are even larger. I plan on comparing the two in "Part 2" of this video. Stay tuned!
@StuartHerrington
@StuartHerrington 6 ай бұрын
Awesome that you’ve managed to get good exposures on old film. And that you’ve been able to shoot with the combination back, they’re pretty hard to get hold of. I’ve got a slightly different version where the bellows and lens system separate from the film back, I have been using 6x4 photo paper and have gotten some nice results, but I have to change after each shot using a dark bag. I’ve been meaning to build a new back housing to replace the roll film back with a 4x5 film holding system, but I’ve been putting it off for a year. I’ve finally just picked up three 4x5 sheet holders so hopefully will be able to make a start on that now, and then buy a ground glass to help focus. I may document the process 😅
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera 6 ай бұрын
Oh that would be an amazing conversion! This camera begs for a 4x5 conversion. I would love to see what you put together!
@ethanmietzner5218
@ethanmietzner5218 11 ай бұрын
This is awesome. I just bought a Kodak Pocket 1A Model C with red bellows. I stumbled upon it in an antique store in the upper Peninsula in Michigan in a Ghost town! It got me into film now. Im from Washington in Snohomish
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera 11 ай бұрын
Very nice! Are you going to try shooting with the 1A? Should be fun. And nice to hear from a fellow Washingtonian!
@ethanmietzner5218
@ethanmietzner5218 11 ай бұрын
@oddballcamera Yes! I plan on shooting with it. I'm going to take it into a camera shop this Monday for them to check the shutter for me. The Instant shutter is working fine for all 4 aperture modes but when I go to bulb and press it down, the shutter stays open but it kinda has some quirks when trying to let up on it. You kinda have to mess with it for it to shut again. Same goes for the Time mode. I don't know what the issue is but we'll see. Do you recommend cleaning these old cameras and treating the bellows with some sort of leather conditioner/sustainer?
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera 11 ай бұрын
@@ethanmietzner5218 Definitely check the bellows for light leaks before running any film through it. The easiest way to do this is to open the back of the camera while the bellows are extended and shine a bright flashlight on the outside of the bellows while you look at the inside (some people do this the other way around, but I find it easier to spot light leaks inside the darkness of the interior of the bellows). Light leaks are very common in the corner folds so check all the way up and down the bellows. If you have pinhole light leaks you'll want to block those up with something--I personally use black fabric paint as it is designed to be somewhat flexible after drying. Let the paint dry for at least 24 hours before trying to fold the bellows back up. If you have larger holes you might need to use some kind of fabric patch repair tape or similar. I also treat leather bellows with a leather treatment. Again, make sure this is completely dry before closing the camera back up. Have fun with it!
@ethanmietzner5218
@ethanmietzner5218 11 ай бұрын
@oddballcamera I checked the bellows for light leaks and found none, even on the corners. I did see however where the bellows attach to the front of the camera where the shutter is, that there is a slight leak where it attaches but it's so minimal and hidden away that I don't think it will affect an image.
@jesspattphotos
@jesspattphotos Жыл бұрын
I’m about to use my great grandfather’s 3A with 120 film. I can’t wait, and this video is super helpful. Thank you!
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
That's awesome! These are fun cameras to shoot with. Good luck!
@kenklontz1945
@kenklontz1945 Жыл бұрын
Good luck with your panel 😎
@pedromeza2398
@pedromeza2398 10 ай бұрын
Cut film sheets can also be used instead of the dry plates.
@snarky_user
@snarky_user 6 ай бұрын
Having the negative the same size as the print was a wonderful thing. Amateur photographers could easily make very detailed prints with cautious use.
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera 6 ай бұрын
Yes! The size of the negatives this camera produces is shocking. As you say, very detailed prints are easily made with straightforward contact printing.
@rd7911
@rd7911 Жыл бұрын
Great presentation ! Thanks...
@maxholsbeke866
@maxholsbeke866 9 ай бұрын
Great video! Thanks for sharing
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera 9 ай бұрын
Thank you! I'm hoping to get another 122-film-based camera posted in the near future.
@paulsnaith9677
@paulsnaith9677 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this. It's very interesting for me as a collector and user of older cameras though none as ancient as this one. Consider me subscribed.
@Gutowski1944
@Gutowski1944 5 ай бұрын
Cool, I occasionally use my dads old Zeiss Ikonta from the late thirties.
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera 5 ай бұрын
That's awesome! The old Zeiss Ikontas are very nice cameras. I have another video on a 1930s Zeiss Super Ikonta if you haven't seen that one yet.
@craigfouche
@craigfouche Жыл бұрын
This is super interesting. Well done on the results. I also have a Kodak 2a using 116 film if I could only get a roll or two or perhaps even the backing paper to be able to use it as intended.
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yes, it would be great if you could find some film for your 2A! You can sometimes find old 116 film on eBay. Like you say, even just getting the backing paper and reel would be useful, as you can easily adopt 70mm film for use in a 116 camera.
@tplyons5459
@tplyons5459 Жыл бұрын
I am amazed they still made it in 1971!
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
Me too! These cameras were already incredibly obsolete even back then.
@The.Historical.Record
@The.Historical.Record Жыл бұрын
I can't believe it nothing gummed up in the cold!
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
I know! This camera has been super reliable...more reliable than the operator... 😄
@brineb58
@brineb58 Жыл бұрын
You got amazing results!!!
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Unfortunately the photos I took in the snow did not come out, but I was really happy with the tree on the river bank. It's always a bit of a roll of the dice when shooting with film this old.
@markgoostree6334
@markgoostree6334 Жыл бұрын
Good, fun video. I am impressed with the pictures from film of that age! I know, the newest bestest modern cameras are blah, blah, blah. I have one or two of those. But for you to get out with the really old equipment... fascinating and impressive. My oldest camera was made about the time that roll of film was made.! Well done.
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I like to keep my older cameras working if possible. It's definitely a very different experience shooting with these very old cameras compared to modern digital!
@Huginn87OG
@Huginn87OG Жыл бұрын
Nice! I have a 3A Series III folding camera, from what I've read was the last "3A" model Kodak released in July 1941 & discontinued sometime in 1943, most likely due to WWII going on. It does need a cla & new bellows though, sent an email to a guy thats known for repairing folding cameras to see how much it'll cost to do it.
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
Nice! I have been looking for one of the later 3A versions for a while. I hope you're able to get it usable once again!
@johnapperson7495
@johnapperson7495 3 ай бұрын
Huge Thumbs up.
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera 3 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@randysimmons9838
@randysimmons9838 Жыл бұрын
Cool
@steveandthedogs
@steveandthedogs Жыл бұрын
I've got a No3 converted to 120 at some point, either professionally or talented amateur. Gives very pleasant results.
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
Very nice! It's fun to get out and shoot with these old cameras now and then.
@anthonys_expired_film
@anthonys_expired_film Жыл бұрын
Beautiful camera, and all the features seem to work well! What effective ISO did you use to measure your exposures? Also, how did you develop this film? Did you have a large enough reel or did you use another method? Just found your channel and subscribed. 👍🏻
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
Yes, the camera is in amazing condition, including the bellows, which are completely light-tight. I was lucky to find this copy at a low price. For the film, I have (nearly) always had really good luck with Verichrome Pan, so I almost always rate it at 100 if it's older than 1980 and shoot it at box speed (125) if newer than 1980. VP must have really good emulsion stabilizers because this approach has worked for me every time except once or twice. For this particular roll, the inner foil pack had already been opened when I got the film, so I rated it at 80 thinking it might need a little extra exposure to overcome any background fog on the film. However, there was virtually no fog on the film at all, so I could have rated it at 100 like I usually do. I have an old Nikor 122 reel that is used for developing.
@RomulSpiel
@RomulSpiel Жыл бұрын
Отличные фотографии получились! Браво.
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
Спасибо! I hope to post more videos with this camera in the future.
@Dahrenhorst
@Dahrenhorst Жыл бұрын
I'm looking for such a combination back for I think 3 years now. No luck so far. I have two of those cameras (both the Autographic Special variant with the rangefinder and the Tessar lens), and I love to shoot them with 120 film. I mainly use them for full body portraits and architecture.
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
It took me a long time to find one also. I got lucky in finding this set. I have heard of some people who have made their own using a donor plain back from another camera. You're lucky to have the Special variants! Those are really amazing cameras. I hope to do a video about those as a "Part 2" to this video someday.
@Dahrenhorst
@Dahrenhorst Жыл бұрын
@@oddballcamera Of course! I actually have a donor 3-A from which I could use the back to make one myself! Shouldn't be too difficult. Thanks for the tip!
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
@@Dahrenhorst Fantastic! Good luck with the conversion. The big advantage of making your own is that you can design it to use other plate holders that are more easily obtained. The Combination Back takes unique plate holders that are even harder to find than the back itself (I was lucky to find a complete set--but only a single holder!). The 3.25 x 5.5 plate holders for Seneca and Premo cameras are relatively easy to find. The huge advantage of the 3A Special over the 3A when using plates is that the 3A Special cameras have fine-focus knobs, which would be extremely useful with ground glass focusing. No fine-focus on the 3A (though the 3A does have a secondary focus scale specifically for use with plates).
@MikeyMopar
@MikeyMopar Жыл бұрын
Does the 120 film stay in focus pretty well throughout the scene? I've just measured the inside dimensions of my 3A Junior and am in the process of designing (for a 3D printer) a sled to center the film and hold down the 3mm edges in an attempt to keep the film flat. Big concern is with it being thin enough to not impede with the film and scene but rigid enough to hold the film flat and centered. But if you say the curl really doesn't affect the bulk of the image, I might just run a roll thru it as is.
@Dahrenhorst
@Dahrenhorst Жыл бұрын
@@MikeyMopar Try to run a roll through it first. Some cameras have problems with flatness, others don't. I made a mask or rail out of thin aluminum for my cameras, because I actually had flatness inconsistencies. Another problem is actually scratches on the emulsion, when the rollers don't work properly anymore or are scratched. You might want to smoothen or to polish them. But before you start to re-engineer your camera, I suggest you first just test it with one roll.
@dont-want-no-wrench
@dont-want-no-wrench Жыл бұрын
back when contact printing was the main way, so big film size
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
Yes, exactly!
@grahvis
@grahvis Жыл бұрын
As a kid, I remember my father showing me how to make contact prints using printing out paper in a special frame.
@StanyDrums
@StanyDrums 11 ай бұрын
mine seems to be 1909 3A SPECIAL for london, with kodak no3 goerz berlin dagor 125mm 6.3 lens It's a black not red but I don't know if it's in working order can you help me the pictures ?
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera 11 ай бұрын
Awesome camera! To check if it is working open the back, point at a light source, and click the shutter. You should see a quick flash of light if the shutter is set to a standard shutter speed. Be sure to open the aperture all the way when doing this check. Then you'll also need to check the bellows for light leaks. Have fun!
@schlurpie
@schlurpie 10 күн бұрын
i recently got this camera. unfortunately, there are tiny holes in the bellows. i wonder if there's a way to repair them
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera 10 күн бұрын
Yes, if the holes are very small you can paint them closed with black fabric paint. I had to do that to my camera as well. Leave the bellows extended for about a day to ensure the paint is totally cured before closing the camera back up.
@nelsonm.5044
@nelsonm.5044 Жыл бұрын
I am surprised by the sharpness of the lens, I have a 1929 Voighlander vest pocket camera that 120 film and the sharpness is just not there even at smallest aperture, f/22. I always thought not too expect much of those camera but yours is definitely sharp. I also very stylish camera, and looking at the list price, not cheap either
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
I was very surprised at the sharpness of this lens as well! The full-size images are even sharper than what I can show in this compressed video. I think for cameras of this age, it's incredibly important that the lens board is still parallel to the film plane, and is located the correct distance from the film plane. It's really easy for these lens/focus calibrations to get out of whack either from damage or just age for these kinds of bellows cameras. Your Voigtlander focus might just need to be re-calibrated?
@dont-want-no-wrench
@dont-want-no-wrench Жыл бұрын
@@oddballcamera that's it
@michaelmiller641
@michaelmiller641 Жыл бұрын
You were lucky that Kodak vp was still ok!
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
I know! This roll had been unsealed many years ago so I figured my chances were 50/50. I've had really good luck with VP over the years, but always have shot sealed rolls before this one.
@StanyDrums
@StanyDrums 11 ай бұрын
Anyone have 122 film roll hacks or alternatives ??
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera 11 ай бұрын
The easiest alternative is to adapt 120 film for use in the camera. There are several folks out there who make the film spool adapters...check Film Photography Project if you're in the US.
@Nitidus
@Nitidus Жыл бұрын
Where's the picture of the snowy landscape? Did I miss it somehow?
@oddballcamera
@oddballcamera Жыл бұрын
You didn't miss it...I did! Unfortunately the snow pictures did not come out. The worst part is I think it was user error, not a problem with the film...ugh.
@Nitidus
@Nitidus Жыл бұрын
@@oddballcamera Ooh well, it happens! Thanks for letting me know, though! That scenery looked gorgeous. The quality of the images in general is astounding. I was just confused because after the video part, there was no picture, neither did it appear later, and no info. But hey, I've messed up so many pictures in my lifetime, I can relate to the feeling:D
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