those Ford Y blocks were nearly indestructable OHV v8
@MrValhem26511 ай бұрын
Thanks man always interesting content cheers.
@musclecarmitch90811 ай бұрын
Great video! Lots of great information on the workings of the Ford!👍
@BareRoseGarage11 ай бұрын
Thanks Mitch! and thanks for stopping in man
@victor440_4 ай бұрын
It makes a lot of sense 👍
@BareRoseGarage4 ай бұрын
Thanks Victor and thanks for stoppin in man!
@turbotom41611 ай бұрын
good talk, keep moving forward.
@BareRoseGarage11 ай бұрын
Thanks a mill for that Tom
@victor440_4 ай бұрын
Also I just came across your channel and like what I see . So I subscribed,👍
@BareRoseGarage4 ай бұрын
Awesome thank you!
@snizzytown521711 ай бұрын
Never thought about it this way. I always like your videos. I spent my whole adult life in Ford parts and service. I used the double sump mustang pan on my own build. I had herd to never use more than a stock pump on a Ford before but never herd about the air getting into the pick up tube before. It does make sense but… the cars that used these pans from the factory would run 300,000 miles if taken care of no problem. So if it does get the air into the pick up after sitting it doesn’t hurt much from my experience at the dealership. I have seen what your talking about with the oil pressure and I was always told it’s how the ford oil pump spring worked. I am in no way saying your wrong just trying to make sense of the air after sitting. I totally agree with you on the windage tray and oil pans. I used a screen type windage tray on my build but I always use roller cams. I wanted the oil to be able to drain back quickly so I went with that screen type. Food for thought for sure brother. It’s nice to see someone building these old Fords and keeping a Ford motor in them. Everyone I worked with would go on and on about how tuff the 460 is. I have never owned a V8 other than a Windsor or Mod motor but I would love to play with a FE some day.
@BareRoseGarage11 ай бұрын
Hey there Snizzy great to see ya man. Yeah there is a whole segment I probably should've left in there on this one that I cut for time and the secret to the success in yours is you followed the general theme of what I was trying to convey in this.... you're playing within the stock perimeters and letting your Ford be a Ford. The Oil Pump in there is focusing more on volume than pressure to make that 1st hit (and air issue) nominal. Aftermarket HP & High-Volume stuff has a tendency to emphasize this instead of eliminating this. So basically, what I was trying to convey here about the Ford Oiling System & engine placement is that to make it better, is to leave it pretty much stock. If that makes sense. Chevy on the other hand..... they are much more forgiving on this kind of stuff.
@snizzytown521711 ай бұрын
Oh ok I got ya. Thanks for answering. Good to see you as well.
@stephenhotzjustdriveit11 ай бұрын
Lol good video Kim
@paintnamer640311 ай бұрын
Every HP MOPAR had a windage tray maybe before 1968. A windage tray will help keep the oil from getting whipped into a froth.
@BareRoseGarage11 ай бұрын
You took the words right off the cutting room floor there man, Good Catch! lolololol Yeah Mopar had a lot of "bad" windage to deal with due to the shallow ends, and it was extreme. I wonder if that's why Mopar focused on roller cam development before Ford & Gm? If I remember correctly, they beat them all to production with it in the 80's.
@dennislosing880011 ай бұрын
I circle track raced windsor ford s with rear sump pans for years and(blew some up to) and used hi volume pumps some i even upped spring pressue never twisted off a pump drive even once and had lots of baffles in pan never saw low oil pressure come on (comes on at 20 psi) i race chevs now (cheaper) and i have lite coming on in corners more now i usually over fill to stop it both have there own issues but disagree with ur asumptions on ford but i like that have opinions on it
@mikestaihr518311 ай бұрын
Does a crankscraper cause the same problem as a windage tray?
@BareRoseGarage11 ай бұрын
Hey there mike good to see ya man! I've never used a crank scraper before but I've seen a couple windage tray's that have them built into them & and in this case I'd say definitely since they stop that sling. But in the case of a Mopar where they suffer from the more extreme 'bad' windage (such as tight A-Body's with shallow v8 center sumps) it's sometimes better to deal with that, then the oil getting beaten into chocolate mousse meringue by the counter weights on the crank. With this Ford, I only have to deal with the 'bad" windage under hard acceleration....... if that makes sense. Hope that helps man, and thanks for stopping by.
@mikestaihr518311 ай бұрын
@@BareRoseGarage I was just curious. I built up a 351 windsor for my 69 ford van a bit more than stock and found a DYI in and old Car Craft magazine on how to make your own crank scraper. Interesting project to add to all the moderate speed parts I installed. I wasn't really interested in a windage tray but was interested in keeping the oil from roping.
@BigMikesHooptyBarn11 ай бұрын
I'm using Ford! And Mopar, And Chevy, And......
@lynnrunningdeer736411 ай бұрын
I tried asking David Vizard about if knife edging cranks applies to all manufacturers. But he never responds unless it's something negative🤬. Seems he has a problem with our kind.
@mandylangosh10 ай бұрын
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@OlysGarage11 ай бұрын
Oh dear lord where to begin... Kim I love ya man, but I'm gonna have to disagree with almost 85% of the stuff you said. You know I've been a lifelong Fordman and have my fair share of knowledge and experience. Gonna try to be brief... ugh.. First off... oil slosh... You need in the realm of 1G on a launch to uncover the oil pickup. In order to achieve 1G which is like 22 or 32 feet per second...(can't remember for sure) but basically you gotta be putting down sub 2sec 60-foot times. Now if you are putting down those kinda times, do you really expect us to believe you are not taking the time to run baffles in the oil pan? Because for every action, there's a reaction. Sudden slowdown or braking is gonna do the same thing to a SBC... And do you really think the oil just stays in the bottom of a SBC sump on acceleration? Nope! At 1G or more it's crawling up the back wall up into the crank.... excessive windage! Oiling systems... Oh boy. Again, SBC BBC get a huge F. And so does the center oiler FE. SBC oils the crank and rods last. Oil goes right up to the top end then gets branched out and last stop is the crank and rods. Hence why you see the cranks blown out of them, or half the build budget is spend on the rotating assy of a SBC. Also, like the FE the cam gets priority oil, then to the crank/rods second. Not a good situation, hence the creation of the FE side oiler where they are both oiled at the same time. Don't get me started on the Chevrolet dancing camshaft.... The 335 and 385 series hit the #1 cam and main bearings FIRST, then to the passenger lifter bank using it as a distribution point/log sending branches down to the center of the #2-#5 main/cam bulkheads oiling them both at the same time then also hitting a crossover at the #4 bulkhead over the top to oil the driver lifter bank. There's an oil port at the very rear that can be used to measure oil pressure from, at the vary end of the line. Windsors are basically the same as 335/385 except the branches from the passenger bank go directly to the mains then the mains feed the cam bearings. Typically truck pans of the late 70s-90s take 6-8 qts of oil. Hard to imagine the pickup ever being uncovered for any normal reason, and i have yet to have ever heard the pickup tube... collecting air unless that engine is loose as a goose with a smoked oil pump you could send shellac through. Ford wasn't trying to utilize anything about the rear sump other than getting the engine to fit the redesigned chassis'. The mustang II and prior years were a 60/40 weight distro, the fox became 59/41, but the fox suspension was a complete redesign. Same with trucks/vans, in '80 ford was working to shorten the nose of its vehicles, going a little more cab-forward in their designs. BTW- the distributor doesn't have to run the oil pump...(look at many Inline engines) it's just cheaper and easier to do so. And yes... WHY Ford ran such a puny drive rod in it's 385 series is beyond me.. The FE and 351W recieved larger dia drive rods. No clue why...? For your build, throw the nose in the air.... its not gonna hurt anything because the driveline is setup on the "plane" of the chassis... not the ground. Irreguardless of the way the vehicle sits, the engine/trans sits at a down-to-the-rear angle of 3-5 degrees. Any more is not necessary. IF you measure a Ford with a STOCK intake manifold you will find that most are 3-5* leaned forward with pan rail level. Some applications up to 7* (Early Tbird for example). Correct the carburetors by making or buying wedged spacers. Putting the carbs sideways will NOT fix the situation as 1/2 of the carb will be starved of fuel (1 fwd primary and 1 fwd secondary)rather then equally across the front. (jet extensions fix this on fwd facing units) The driveshaft can be at whatever angle it likes as long as the tail shaft and rear end pinion are at equal but opposing angles. The joint itself has a maximum operating angle to where a double joint, or double-cardan rather, commonly used on SWB 4wd applications will become necessary on the front of the shaft only. Well... so much for summary. Probably missed a bunch of other stuff i wanted to cover, but here's the brunt.... There ya go!
@BareRoseGarage11 ай бұрын
I love your comments man and you are actually making me a better editor because you pick up on all the stuff that I cut out because I thought it was "off topic"...... lol. When I was over by that 302 & sbc talking about the dual sump, there is about another 30 mins of footage talking about the pressure side, and oil pump differences and said, "this is too long as it is I better do that in its own video later". And Oh Yeah I leaned on the extremes there a bit much. But all in all, this is the stuff that makes me actually LOVE my Fords more than my Chevy's & Mopars. Fords make me stop and think before I do and I get lazy with the others.. lol.
@OlysGarage11 ай бұрын
@@BareRoseGarage lol! Well after I posted that, I thought to myself.... Man I hope it didn't seem like I was picking on him or beating him up! Wasn't the intention at all. You did cram a lot of subject matter into a short time frame for a subject like that, actually several subjects. So its easy to miss or skip over stuff. I do enjoy these videos you do because it does give me different perspective, and makes me think....'ok, why' or 'how come'... its great, I love it. Bottom line, every engine has its quirks and their Achilles heel. Be the best builder for the ones you like and take the time to know and understand them. They all have potential. 😊