In SOUTH CAROLINA at a small college?

Canton Ohio?

My father in law coached for Lou at the U. Lou Saban sent my father in law up to Pennsylvania to recruit Jim Kelly to the U...and he did..then a year later Lou quit the U..my Father in Law never got to coach Jim Kelly..

@@josephcutrona1456in the University of Miami Hurricanes 🌀??

Billy was a great player, and to my knowledge he was the only purely AFL player ever enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame!!

Bet it was probably the best year of your life 😂

I've heard that fans would actually bring hibachi grills and quarter-kegs right into the Rockpile without interference. That must have been a hell of a place to watch a game.

@@VandelayIndustries61 I don't think I ever saw a keg up there, but I wouldn't be surprised to know they were there. For sure, no one went thirsty. Six- packs and jugs everywhere.

@@roboticactivities Every year was better than the last in those days. Now the memories make me smile.

I remembered when Full Color Football debut on Showtime. Great documentary on the AFL and I also watch it frequently on KZfaq.

@@heydudedolfan13 yeah the AFL and the ABA were both ahead of their time!!

Fantastic show!

Can not think of the great George Carlin "Baseball is played in a Park, FOOTBALL displayed in a stadium...War Memorial Stadium!

I did not know that-COOL!

Ah...the 'Ol Rockpile!!

Loved those all goal posts.

LMFAO! "best look in the AFL and now still the best in the NFL." Says a Dolts fan who sees about as good as Ray Charles did! If their "look" was so damn good, why have they changed it so many times over the years? The blue helmets were atrocious and the piss yellow pants are laughable too! Truly iconic, legendary and Super Bowl winning franchises don't have to change uniform designs or the color of their helmets! Dolts fans love to pound their chests and strut around like peacocks trying to convince people they're fans of a winning franchise but that franchise trophy case still has NO Lombardi trophies in it and the only time the pathetic semi-homeless franchise made it to the Super Bowl they were humiliated!

@@davidcobb2693 haha you're cruel and cold.

@@jackburton4892 I speak the truth though.

It kinda sucks tbh.

It is a proud feeling seeing how good they were at times through the Sixties.

Mike Stratton not Patton.

@@buffalobraves9 lol my bad.

In those days locally it was blacked out..Still pains me to this day I never got to watch it

Its just you... JUST KIDDIN'.. When Hadl was hurt, number 55 for Buff. was none other than Paul Maguire the still alive and "kickin'" old punter/occasional L-backer, longtime tv NFL/AFC analyst. It was Maguire, an original Charger, who coffin cornered that beautiful punt inside the two. I know the AFL in '64 was not up with the NFL at that time, but I defy anyone to find a longer, more precisely placed punt of the pigskin than that princely pop, in a championship game, to boot=pretty much perfection. Btw, AFC titles are counted the same as AFL titles as far as the NFL is concerned. Buffy has won 6 AFL/AFC's combined.

Yes Red this was better than today's football

If you ever need to teach a young man how to execute a “PERFECT FORM TACKLE”? Have him watch and take notice of Mike “Tennessee “ Stratton executing a perfect form tackle on Keith Lincoln! This tackle changed the momentum and completion of the entire game!

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I have had this before I knew of him like 6-7 years ago. Could have been one of his early edits though.

Ya, it seems like his early work.

No more of that Lou" The Toe "Groza stuff !

@@stankatic8182, yep STEVE COX a punter mostly in his pro career, not MARK MOSELEY was the last of the straight-on kickers to make a field goal= in SEPT. of 1987(only the 15th of his 8 season career= CLEVE AND WASH= 4 SEASONS EACH), right after MOSELEY retired after the 1986-87 season. So, the eradication wasn't right away; it took over 30 seasons..but the sidewinder booter had 100 percent of the pointscoring kicking jobs from that point forward in 1995. COX by the way played for MOSELEY'S old team=REDSKINS, because MOSELEY left after being cut by WDC, and finished up in the JAN.'87 playoffs with CLEVELAND, hitting two fgoals, and missing one, in that '87 AFC TITLE TILT= "THE DRIVE GAME" vs. my BRONCOS. He lost, and then retired. Meanwhile, the last straight-on kicker, period, was DIRK BORGOGNONE(BOR GONN YO NEE) who after failing to catch on with a handful of NFL teams OVER A FOUR-YEAR SPAN, finally got to be an NFL regular season kicker in 1995 with G. BAY, while Chris Jacke was sidelined with an injury for two games. BORGOGNONE did not kick any successful field goals before JACKE came off of the injury list and BORGY was cut. Later, his NEVADA highway patrol officer wife was killed on duty in a car accident.. sigh..

Yep. Strange to see a soccer-style kicker in '64. He played out his option & went to the NFL (Giants) which ticked off the AFL and it was ON!!! With prodding from Al Davis a lot of NFL players became targets of AFL teams who tried to get them to jump leagues. In a way you could say the Giants' signing of Gogolak was a spark that lit the flame which led to the eventual merger.

Remember his brother Charlie Gogolak. As kids in the 60's we imitated the soccer style kickers: Charlie GOGo! LOL

And none of the black players have long cornrow hair like girls like they do now

Play begins at 5:48, replay after.

Those Tennessee boys would give you a jolt back then ..Jack Reynolds, Steve Kiner, Doug Atkins etc...

War Memorial Stadium, where The Natural was filmed . In Buffalo , of course .

The only stadium named after a war which looked like it was fought in the confines of the stadium itself 😂 Good night, what a dump it was….

Look up Pete Gogolak. That's the Bills kicker. He probably should be in the HOF for innovating it.

Gogolak was the first soccer style kicker in pro football.

Gogolak and he went to the NY Giants.

Pete Gogolac was the cause of the merger between the AFL and NFL after he signed with Giants.

@@panowa8319 Hardly. I think it was the growing popularity of the AFL

That place was interesting. The old places were the greatest for watching on TV, had character and uniqueness.

Interesting indeed. On a baseball tour in '96, I was lucky enough to visit Tiger Stadium What a pisser it wasn't saved.

Wish I was there for the exhibition game with the Browns during the Summer of 1967. If only that game was 2 years earlier when both teams were defending league champions and Jim Brown was still with Cleveland. Cookie may not have been there as he had been shipped off to Denver before the 1965 season.

Tell us about it. I've never been to a stadium quite like that one.

So you're the one?

@@howie9751 Peeing on the wall

Standing 10 feet away from the sidelines...

Great break on the ball by Stratton and text book tackle. Love the way hd walks away like he has something that he forgot to do!

Same story next year in San Diego, so the Chargers had no excuses. The Bills just spanked them!!!

That was the public "face" the NFL was presenting on the AFL. Most of the NFL owners were the founding fathers and family dynasties of professional football. They saw the AFL as johnny come lately's who showed up just as the NFL reached sustained success in the 50s. The NFL still remembered the AAFC in the late 40s and how its best team the Cleveland Browns, would be a dominant force across the 50s and 60s. Some people think that the NFL simply thought the AFL would become another AAFC and its strongest teams could be added to the NFL when it went under. They didn't look at the effect TV deals by ABC and then NBC would have on keeping the AFL viable. They also didn't look at the need for other networks to counter-program the CBS monopoly on Sunday afternoon professional football.

@@TheLAGopher that’s true sometime as a fan of football you wonder what if they were separate leagues like before, I wonder which league fans would like more.

the NFL and it's fans also mocked the American Football Association that the Cleveland Browns came from, then Cleveland and the 49ers joined the NFL and the Cleveland Browns immediately dominated the NFL in the 1950's.

@@krisschedler, the AAFC outside of CLEVELAND and about 60-80 players + SOME 49ERS, AND BALTIMORE COLTS FIRST NFL EDITION, was inferior to the NFL. CBROWNS were 52-4-3 in the AAFC, and went 4 for 4 in titles. With the benefit of the NFL draft, the BROWNS with a better team, including RAY RENFRO added from the NFL draft, and HALL GUY, D-LINEMAN LEN FORD picked up from the defunct AAFC'S LA DONS; well, they only won 3 of the six titlegames with QB OTTO GRAHAM that they were in vs. the NFL, and lost 4 regular season games alone, in 1954. Only around 35 percent of the HALL OF FAMERS originally came out of the AAFC from 1946-50, and if you looked at that per capita per rosters(essentially, pretending the AAFC had 10 teams from 1946-1947 thru 1949-50, its only seasons, (even though it only had 8 teams the first three seasons, and 7 in the last campaign), the same number of teams actually in the NFL during those seasons, it jumps to a little over 41 percent with origination in the AAFC. Then, when you stretch it to any AAFC ORIGINATION player who played in the NFL from 1950 to 1955 and beyond, the HALL OF FAME NUMBER JUMPS TO 46 PERCENT. HOWEVER 35 is not equal to 65, and 41 is not = to 59, nor is 46= 54. Finally, the NFL FROM 1946-50, AND '46 TO 56, featured a larger percentage of HALL OF FAMERS= in that same 3:2 ratio, than the '46-50 AAFC, even per capita. Many AAFC origination players did not develop into HALL guys until they were further along in their careers in the NFL. After the BALTY COLTS first NFL edition from the AAFC did not last, Y.A. TITTLE THE QBACK, who had good AAFC numbers WITH BALTIMORE, was grabbed up in the BALTY COLTS#1 FOLDING=dispersal draft of 1951 by SAN FRANCISCO, where after being an AAFC and one year NFL starter, he had to wait about 3 years before he was able to start in the NFL for FRISCO. HE WAS A STAR AFTER THAT BEGINNING IN 1953. BOBBY LAYNE a starting qb from the defunct AAFC NY BULLDOGS, although he started as a CHICAGO BEAR reject, got picked up in the AAFC MERGER dispersal draft by DETROIT in 1950. LAYNE does not have great AAFC stats. When he got his chance with NFL DETROIT though, he made the most of it, winning three NFL CROWNS IN 7 SEASONS BEFORE HEADING TO PITTSBURGH. HE IS IN THE HALL, AND SO IS TITTLE. THE NFL was still a better league from '46-50. GRAHAM in the NFL never had the 25 td passes-only 10 to 15 picks and two 60+ completion percentage seasons or one season averaging 10 yds completed per attempt, or averaged over 8 yds per att. that he had thrown for IN THE AAFC, and he was more mature with a deeper BROWNS team around him in the 1950's NFL= he still had fine 1950's NFL numbers but not the ridiculously higher numbers that he had in the d-challenged AAFC. GRAHAM AND THE BROWNS were not the problem, though. The bottom 45-60 percent of the AAFC talent was the housefly in the vaseline. Many average or subpar AAFC players either only played one or two more seasons in the NFL following the merger, and then were out of the league, or did not make NFL teams at all. Some just "good" players lasted in the NFL as average, and some did not last long. Finally, even though there was a dispersal draft DURING THE MERGER of AAFC players, the mediocre to lousy teams in the NFL, virtually did not keep or sign any of them, maybe a handful;.. total, not per lousy, or mediocre teams, no, total..because the bottom of the barrel of the AAFC was inferior to the NFL. INDISPUTABLY, the AAFC, outside of CLEVE and those 70 to 80 players on different AAFC teams, or ON NFL ABSORBED SFRAN OR the BALTY COLTS#1, the latter gone after one season, squads, was weak at the bottom vs. the NFL weaklings' players. Yep, the NFL was overall top to bottom stronger than the AAFC. The careers and stats and players AAFC PERFORMANCE VS. THEIR NFL PERFORMANCE proves it.

I always thought it was the big salaries both sides that caused the merger but I read somewhere the NFL was going broke.

The AFL should have held out. Their brand of football was taking over.

Buffalo burgers..= meatheads..

Yeah, like no one else in the history of sports has ever rushed the field. Idiot.

@@buffalobraves9, I never said no one had ever rushed the field..but they do it generally speaking after AFTER the game ends..got it, Genius?

@@buffalobraves9, CAL VS. STANFORD was only about the band rushing it before the game ended. I have never ever heard of any place where with minutes, not seconds, still left, the fans were in the endzone, and was it with a torn up goalpost(?). HOW INGENIOUS, YOU GENIUS..

It's called using your brain to do a quick search. It happens way more than you think. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p7uBksif3tWbg2w.html

Not unusual back in those days.

@@ronflatter1235 I just find that awesome!!!

As was my dad.

@Thomas Lane Yeah, all of Buffalo's other championships are all minor league.

It doesn't show up on 99.9% of youtube user's suggestions until they've watched some related clip.

Broke Lincoln's ribs and COMPLETELY changed the game. It was the turning point.

Tobin Rote should have gone with his first instinct on that play and just heaved the ball downfield. I'm pretty sure I would get a second on that from Keith Lincoln!

Most famous hit in AFL history. Mike Stratton laying out the Chargers' best all-around offensive player Keith Lincoln. Busted Lincoln's rib cage and turned the game around.

Damn. No mercy.

1964...They knew how to tackle back then...unlike today where they run out of bounds!!!

Kemp probably would have won if he was on top of the ticket. They picked Dole because it was “his turn”. Kemp was younger, smarter, very telegenic. Would have changed modern history…..significantly.

@@tek6423 no way Kemp would have beaten Clinton,

SB3 TV 1969 broadcast with retro commercials - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qcWap8WYyMrVZWQ.html

Tobin Rote

Jacque McKinnon

Clown

The original opening graphic of Monday Night Football - The QB tossing the ball was Kemp.

The video on this was pre NFL films. But the music was just from NFL films. So this was done by fans. I believe Hughes network did the AFL weekly shows and teams managed their annual stuff. NFL films took over in 1966.

I think TelRa was the company the AFL used

@Dave Volsky, also Winnick's group?

Some company too cheap to hire voiceover announcers

@@Tommy-76 Yes, Tel Ra did the AFL games until the merger. Tel Ra also did all the NFL highlight shows prior to 1962 ..

Not sure that is what is was, but the purpose was to fill the muddy spots before they froze.

Hadl came in and replaced the starter and got knocked out of the game after a couple of series. I wish I knew who the starter was. While Hadl was laid out I did get to see a couple of names I hadn't noticed before. Paul Maguirre for the Bills and Kyle Rote of the Chargers. Coincidentally they both went on to work as NFL TV analysts. Rote partnered with Curt Gowdy on NBC. I'm not sure who Maguirre worked with and not sure if if it was NBC or CBS. Probably after CBS took over AFC. But he was pretty good. I think they said Alworth (Bambi) was injured.

The starter was Tobin Rote, number 18. He’s the “Rote” that you saw.

Hadl and Allworth lost the next year to the Bills 23-0 in this game. It's out there as well.

Paul McGuire worked color and later in studio for NBC

#21 hadl

San Diego Chargers

Slaughter, the Browns would have killed them. Remember, this Buffy team with pretty much the same D lost to the KC CHIEFS 31-7 AT HOME in the '66-67 AFL CHAMP. GAME. Two weeks later, the NFL came calling for KC in LA, 35-10 PACKERS.. SUPE1. SUPE2=14-1 OAKLAND 14-- 11-4-1 GB 33. Only after the common draft and the maturing of their younger pre-common draft AFL players, did the AFL win Supe Bowls. No AFL team as an AFC team would win the SUPE BOWL after KC IN SUPE 4 until MIAMI in SUPE 7, and after that back to back by Miami, only one AFL born team would win a SUPE between SUPE8 AND SUPE 15..OAKLD.IN SUPE 12. In the first year of the AFC VS. NFC interconf. it was heavily old NFL, and that is not counting BALTY, CLEVE AND PITT'S NUMBERS..and in the 'still played seriously' AFC VS. NFC PRO BOWL in '70-71 the first yr. of the sked merger, it went 27-6 NFC. It was the one where old AFL'ers were the majority of the AFC stars, with Balty, Pitt, and Cleve contributing heavily..to the AFC lineup. THE old AFL HAD three teams(FOUR SEASONS) that were as good as the top NFL teams of the 60's='68-69 JETS & RAIDERS, '69-70 CHIEFS AND RAIDERS. The rest were mediocre to bad compared to the NFL..and their records in the early post SKED MERGER YRS. is testament to that=under .500 for Chargers, Pats, Bills. Oilers, Broncs, and Namath injured Jets, while Oak and KC did ok, not 13-1 great, but ok, KC did squat past 1972. OF THE OLD AFL CLUBS, Miami and Cincy the expansion teams guided by old NFL CLEVE BROWNS hands, Shula and P.Brown dominated the AFC along with later in the mid 70's OAK..and in the late 70's DENVER. PITT AND THE BALTY COLTS had more than a little success in the AFC=combo of 5 AFC TITLES, FIVE SUPE BOWLS. OLD AFL TEAMS winning AFC in the '70's=OAK 1, KC 0, DEN1, MIAMI 3...and that is it. Noll of Pitt?= old Cleve. BROWN and old Colts coach. No, the Bills with NFL reject KEMP would have been killed.

Someone mentioned MIAMI's 14-0 and said I was wIldly speculating about the AFL not being up to snuff with the NFL until the 1970's. Well, I mentioned Miami under Shula. Apparently that person cannot read very well=tame speculation on my part=about their reading skills. Btw, the Dolphins 14-0-0 regular season was not the only American pro football 14-0-0 mark in history. Try the 1948 I believe it was '48 CLEVELAND BROWNS of the old, defunct ALL AMERICA FOOTBALL CONFERENCE(AAFC) league. Oh yeah, the poster went by ESOTERIC KNAVE.

@@robertsprouse9282 Len Dawson was an NFL reject.

@@bemore1134 , yep, and then in the SUPER BOWL instrumentally beat a 12-2-0, longest regular season winning streak in 35 years, at the time, 12 in a row VIKES team.. in SUPE IV.. and, three years later beat a 5-0-0 WDC REDSKINS team in WASH., moving the CHIEFS to 5-1-0 in the NFL.. So, apparently he improved with the playing time he received in the AFL. Here are some other NFL rejects who later beat NFL teams in the SUPER BOWL: WILLIE BROWN(not drafted by any NFL team)..and NyJ's JOHNNY SAMPLE(NFL= PITT, BALT. AND WASH.).. Who drafted JIM OTTO in the NFL? Dawson was a reject..yeahh? So what! There were only 21 pro football teams when he was cut.. Yep.. So what!

Yep from the CFL to the AFL....

Well, professionally, Detroit Lions/NFL then CFL and AFL 😉

Rote retired after this game, came out of retirement in mid-season of 1966, played briefly with the Broncos, and then retired for good.

Only quarterback to win championships in 3 leagues: AFL, CFL, NFL. A GREAT QB!!

@@Smecty Correction two Leagues. won in the NFL and the AFL. Played in the CFL championship game Grey Cup , but lost.

So awful it's BEAUTIFUL.

That's the way a football field is supposed to look like. NFL nowadays is too sterile.

@@osaji922 Agree.

Nothing like natural turf!

Always a mud pit late in the year

Yea but the would kick these guys all over the field.

The 1964 Buffalo Bills AFL Championship team was the closest thing to an NFL team in the AFL than anyone had seen before. They had a great power running game with Cookie Gilchrist and a really stingy hard hitting defense. Jack Kemp could also throw the ball when he had to. They were just a much more physical football team than Sid Gillman's Chargers were. I think they could've beaten the 1964 NFL Champion Cleveland Browns in a World Championship game

Cookie Gilchrist should have been a Brown but his age was too young for NFL rules, so he starred in Canada before going to Buffalo.

@@brianwolf6166 He had a car that had the following spelled out in it: Lookie, Lookie, Here comes Cookie!