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Esteemed journalist James Cameron visits Houston, Texas - the home of NASA, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration - where he examines the extraordinary world of computers, rocket science, derring-do and astronomical expenditure that drives the American manned space programme.
In their haste to put a man on the moon, the ever-sceptical Cameron wonders, why does nobody ask the most pertinent question about this whole endeavour: Why?
This clip is from Cameron Country: Nobody Ever Asks Why, originally broadcast 12 July, 1969.
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@davidhuggins16
@davidhuggins16 Жыл бұрын
The haunting incidental music from 12:25 is by none other than Delia Derbyshire, recorded at the BBC Radiophonic Workshop.
@LuiWallentinGttler
@LuiWallentinGttler Жыл бұрын
I was wondering if it wasn't a product of her wonderful talent. Also a nice juxtaposition between what Cameron is spouting, and the new age of music made on electronic machines by Derbyshire.
@davidhuggins16
@davidhuggins16 Жыл бұрын
@@LuiWallentinGttler Yes indeed, it’s a nice contrast. DD excelled in depicting through her sound design, various tensions between more optimistic vs pessimistic views of technology. And at the time this doc was made, the Workshop was on the cusp of transitioning away from the painstaking methods of tape manipulation of acoustic sound that Derbyshire loved and towards voltage-controlled synthesis using EMS equipment. My understanding is that DD initially was unhappy with these synthesisers, and the expectation of faster turnaround that came with their adoption.
@davidhuggins16
@davidhuggins16 Жыл бұрын
The cues heard here sound to me like the result of her tape manipulation of acoustic sounds & test tone oscillators. Other parts of the score (not heard in this clip) reuse metallic impact sounds she’d recorded for a 1968 doc about Henry Moore, which she also incorporated into her track The Delian Mode.
@LuiWallentinGttler
@LuiWallentinGttler Жыл бұрын
@@davidhuggins16 She and the whole Radiophonic Workshop was surely first movers. And I do get her antipathy towards changing the workflow / -method. Using rudimentary synths are so different from manipulating tape.
@davidhuggins16
@davidhuggins16 Жыл бұрын
@@LuiWallentinGttler yes, they were groundbreaking. It’s remarkable what the Workshop achieved, a rich legacy of sonic innovation.
@grahammcdonald
@grahammcdonald Жыл бұрын
“Phallic” and “impertinence” really stood out for me. He’s the definition of a Luddite. His pronunciation of NASA took me by surprise.
@andydixon2980
@andydixon2980 Жыл бұрын
NaRRsa...
@IAmSoMuchBetterThanYou
@IAmSoMuchBetterThanYou Жыл бұрын
Yes, very posh sounding.
@DjAlyX1
@DjAlyX1 Жыл бұрын
Although you are right, he is a luddite, he was marginally correct in that reality, the visions of the 60s space race have not yet materialised and the items on display are largely ignored by our current generations. I should note I know that the introduction of space travel has paved the way for GPS and communications etc.
@RickCollins1993
@RickCollins1993 9 ай бұрын
I dont agree that describing the rockets as phallic is a marker of a Luddite
@AnthonyMonaghan
@AnthonyMonaghan 19 күн бұрын
@@RickCollins1993 More like a pervert...
@66PHILB
@66PHILB Жыл бұрын
His pronunciation of NASA as Narser told me everything I needed to know.
@kamandi1362
@kamandi1362 Жыл бұрын
Should be Nay-sir, if anything.
@Seminal_Ideas
@Seminal_Ideas Жыл бұрын
I remember watching this years ago and even then was struck by Cameron's scoffing lounge lizard style. He's mocking his subject while simultaneously being utterly out of his depth in trying to comprehend it. His mind is closed to the technological and administrative miracle he's reporting on, and the fact that just 24 years after the second world war we were ready to step onto the moon. Contemporary BBC reporter James Burke, covering the same subject, captures the zeitgeist to perfection in my view.
@zaftra
@zaftra Жыл бұрын
May be you can't tolerate is viewpoint, the space race, all things space for that matter, is probably the biggest waste of money in history.
@harvardsmithdeangelo6905
@harvardsmithdeangelo6905 Жыл бұрын
Don't worry, the new megaprojects have debt slavery baled in.
@krognak
@krognak Жыл бұрын
@@zaftra I would argue that our very human desire to step out, explore, witness, comprehend and eventually even harness our surroundings, is in fact an vastly more valuable and admirable endeavour than that of conjuring new and efficient ways of slaughtering one another. Perhaps it is even one of the last vestiges of purity our race has - space and all its incomprehensibility is one of the few good things left that can keep us humble and curious.
@zaftra
@zaftra Жыл бұрын
@@krognak so divert the monies from space travel and military to food/ medicine/ sustainability.
@timconnors
@timconnors 11 ай бұрын
I got the strong impression he was a doddery old fool while watching this. Like many doddery old fools you see around at the current time. "ah, life was much simpler when I was young!". Except this was published at a time when the current generation of doddery old fools were growing up.
@tarnopol
@tarnopol Жыл бұрын
Excellent work; fine writing; well-observed.
@tarnopol
@tarnopol Жыл бұрын
I don’t fully agree…but he makes many good points, and contrarians should (generally) be valued on principle.
@fidelcatsro6948
@fidelcatsro6948 Жыл бұрын
8 days later after this telecast, on 20th July 1969, They put a man on the moon...🐱👍🏿
@robbflynn4325
@robbflynn4325 Жыл бұрын
You really believe that? Seriously?
@harvardsmithdeangelo6905
@harvardsmithdeangelo6905 Жыл бұрын
The funniest part is when people admit the landings were "staged" and then tell themselves there is actually a "secret space program" with all kinds of magic weaponry. Loving every laugh.
@JavierAlbinarrate
@JavierAlbinarrate Жыл бұрын
And everyone should be glad that James Burke was doing the transmission instead of Cameron. I guess the BBC wanted to avoid massive suicides... LOL.
@stephenchappell7512
@stephenchappell7512 Жыл бұрын
@@JavierAlbinarrate James Burke is a legend
@nikkirazelli3250
@nikkirazelli3250 Жыл бұрын
the cinematography of this footage, is very close to current era
@MrDaiseymay
@MrDaiseymay 11 ай бұрын
PROBABLY IS
@BillyBanter100
@BillyBanter100 5 ай бұрын
He narrates as if arrived from an earlier century. A curious presentation technique.
@polo-kf6yh
@polo-kf6yh Жыл бұрын
He's smoking a cigarette in the museum..shock!!
@havaska
@havaska Жыл бұрын
He’s so off the mark. It’s rather amusing. A relic afraid of change, fighting the inevitable future.
@captaincritter1898
@captaincritter1898 Жыл бұрын
Actually, I think he was right about a lot of things, even if being sceptical of going to the moon seems silly today. But one thing he said that I agreed with was that computers will go too far, being advanced by technicians who just want to do well in their fields, and dont really care about the negative effects of their inventions, just assuming they'll be good for humanity. You can see that today with all the awful effects of the internet and social media on people's mental health.
@havaska
@havaska Жыл бұрын
@@captaincritter1898 you do make a very good point regarding social media, I find it hard to disagree with you regarding that.
@MrDaiseymay
@MrDaiseymay 11 ай бұрын
@@captaincritter1898 QUITE RIGHT !
@randalchalmers8038
@randalchalmers8038 10 ай бұрын
😊 this on a TV repeat many years ago this programme remained well in my memory.. the exert is almost in its entirety save for the end piece. The pre credit end shot is a piece to camera by Mr Cameron.he stands in the foreground with an upright rocket in the far background and says something like ‘surely if anything is a symbol of our age of soulless technological doom it is that machine behind me. I am glad to have visited but I am not sorry to be leaving.’.
@georgecharles5134
@georgecharles5134 Жыл бұрын
Where is the full programme, “Cameron Country: Nobody Ever Asks Why”, available?
@mohtx
@mohtx Жыл бұрын
wow
@daveshrum1749
@daveshrum1749 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. You can tell if he had his way the world have stopped advancing at about 1880. We had trains, indoor lighting and Heating and Plumbing and tea we didn't need anything else according to his attitude. 🤣 I don't always like what modern advances and technological or sociological advancement bring but to not Advance is stagnation and stagnation is death. For an individual or a society or an entire race.
@DavidAllen682
@DavidAllen682 4 ай бұрын
3:27 It's Sheldon Cooper, lol
@safebox36
@safebox36 11 ай бұрын
It's worth remembering that the idea that the US would get to the moon before the Soviets was such a far stretch that when it happened the Soviets thought it was propaganda initially. It was only after they were able to confirm it that they contacted the US and congratulated them. May have had tensions, but it was still an achievement worth putting disagreements aside for to recognise. Still, the USSR didn't see the Moon Landing as part of the space race (or even recognise a space race) because they weren't prepared to make the journey yet. So it was mostly a homeland marketting thing to rally people behind.
@MrDaiseymay
@MrDaiseymay 11 ай бұрын
Sorry to be a Party Pooper, but the reason the Russians have never claimed the Moon landing was fake (which it was) is because the CIA new the Gagarin, first man in space, was also faked. They put a man in space alright, but not Yuri Gagarin. He was just a young good looking propaganda prop, who stepped into their Suyuz ? Craft, waved to the chosen press people and some technicians, slipped out the back, and off the Rocket went. And Gagarin was driven away to practice his waving to crowds no doubt. What a show, The US were so envious, untill they found out the truth, SO--lets both keep schtum, became the name of the game. How do I know this? BBCTV documentary. 6 yrs ago. Three Russian rocket engineers , with original film of the take off, spilled the beens .
@w75525
@w75525 Жыл бұрын
11:35 This is the software because it's made of people 🤔 🙄
@JavierAlbinarrate
@JavierAlbinarrate Жыл бұрын
LOL yeah... I don't think he got the concept... not even near. I wonder what he would have thought about wetware...
@randalchalmers8038
@randalchalmers8038 10 ай бұрын
Perhaps in these days, as programmers were putting through a set of instructions these actual programmers were called the software… and when the user = pc interaction was mostly handled by the easy to use interfaces the phrase software adapted to the already installed sophisticated pc programs.
@harvardsmithdeangelo6905
@harvardsmithdeangelo6905 Жыл бұрын
It's very amusing to watch the early space propganada, really gets me laughing hard. Keep on uploading these gems lads.
@swaneknoctic9555
@swaneknoctic9555 Жыл бұрын
Hard to believe James Cameron is only 50 here, more like 70.
@fidelcatsro6948
@fidelcatsro6948 Жыл бұрын
he was 58 in 1969...
@swaneknoctic9555
@swaneknoctic9555 Жыл бұрын
@@fidelcatsro6948 I stand corrected, my bloody maths.
@fidelcatsro6948
@fidelcatsro6948 Жыл бұрын
@@swaneknoctic9555 you may sit down now 🐱👍🏿
@ChrisPollitt
@ChrisPollitt Жыл бұрын
6:19 "One thing we know: that the fuel that powers the vast engines of space, the driving force of the great phallic emblems of patriotic virility, is only partly chemical. The true motive power is conquest. The charting of the firmament is history's great contemporary joust, where men are making holes in the sky in which to plant a flag." That my friends is poetry.
@TinLeadHammer
@TinLeadHammer Жыл бұрын
George Carlin had a whole piece about phallic emblems penetrating holes in the sky, or something like that.
@mikkel2946
@mikkel2946 Жыл бұрын
Or purple prose
@dean6816
@dean6816 Жыл бұрын
"Here lies Narsar" FFS
@EdwinRiveraTheOneThatGotAway
@EdwinRiveraTheOneThatGotAway Жыл бұрын
Aha!
@nikkirazelli3250
@nikkirazelli3250 Жыл бұрын
This is not sceptical view either, it's more pessimistic view, if anything
@alanmusicman3385
@alanmusicman3385 Жыл бұрын
One of the things I try very hard never to forget, is how surface-credible but misleading journalist coverage can be. I - now - know a lot about this era and the technology that underpinned it and its very clear from watching this that Cameron had no real understanding of any of it or the purposes and benefits of the overall effort. Yet, had I watched him walking around NASA puffing on his ciggies back in the days it was made, I would probably have come away from it sharing his scepticism! But, as I said, we should all beware Journalistic coverage. I'm sure most of us have had that experence of seeing or reading a piece on a subject in which we have expertise, and realising that the person who wrote the piece had no real understanding of the subject they were writing about. The trap is that when we read coverage of subjects we know little about, we tend to forget that and take what we read as true or accurate! A dangerous double-think.
@harvardsmithdeangelo6905
@harvardsmithdeangelo6905 Жыл бұрын
There has been no benefit of any kind to society in the last 60 years of this giant moneyhole. Absolutey nothing predicted has come to pass. These videos will end up being the Epitaph of the West, chasing it's tail and murdering it's own progeny.
@alanmusicman3385
@alanmusicman3385 Жыл бұрын
@@harvardsmithdeangelo6905 You ignore that the very technology you used to make this comment spun out of the space program. You also ignore the many material advances which also originated in the need for new tougher materials needed by the space program (Polyester, Teflon etc).
@harvardsmithdeangelo6905
@harvardsmithdeangelo6905 Жыл бұрын
@@alanmusicman3385 absurdist nonsense, all of these creations would have been created irregardless, since they were iterating upon already advancing material sciences. Your claim is about as accurate as saying that mRNA technology wouldn't exist without Donald Trump.
@alanmusicman3385
@alanmusicman3385 Жыл бұрын
@@harvardsmithdeangelo6905 I believe you are serious? Okay then have it your way.
@harvardsmithdeangelo6905
@harvardsmithdeangelo6905 Жыл бұрын
@@alanmusicman3385 You internalized several scripts. Are you still waiting for the Jetson's future?
@BuJammy
@BuJammy Жыл бұрын
Comment section shows how uncomfortable some people get when someone says; "I'm not so sure about this here status quo" .
@tsr207
@tsr207 Жыл бұрын
Cameron was known for waffle - this is a prime example- the BBC was full anti- science "commentators" who spent their time looking down their nose at everything -did it stand the test of time? - we all remember the excellent James Burke - who remembers Cameron ?
@rogana5158able
@rogana5158able Жыл бұрын
They need to get off the computers and firstly get a life then get a real job, seriously they need to grow up.
@Merseysiderful
@Merseysiderful Жыл бұрын
The United States government was spending millions of dollars every day in 1969 on the Vietnam War. It amazes me they could still afford the colossal cost of the Space Race.
@harvardsmithdeangelo6905
@harvardsmithdeangelo6905 Жыл бұрын
They left the gold standard and entered into fiat slavery just prior to this. Funny how the money suddenly appeared.
@MrDaiseymay
@MrDaiseymay 11 ай бұрын
AMAZING WHAT YOU CAN DO, WITH SOMEONE ELSES MONEY
@ChrisPollitt
@ChrisPollitt Жыл бұрын
12:42 Computers are made "by the very people who obediently assemble the things that will no doubt one day enslave them. How long before the electronics take over. [...] How long before they start demanding their rights?" If you've played with ChatGPT you know the answer--not very long from now.
@petergivenbless900
@petergivenbless900 Жыл бұрын
... although, I suspect, that when he said it, he was thinking of less than 54 years!
@mattsan70
@mattsan70 Жыл бұрын
If you look carefully you can see a young Stanley Kubrick in the background at 3:01
@nigelcrabclaw574
@nigelcrabclaw574 Жыл бұрын
No. Stanley Kubrick is nowhere on this video. I'm assuming you're alluding to the ridiculous conspiracy theory that he was involved in faking the landings?
@GhastlyCretin
@GhastlyCretin Жыл бұрын
No.
@marsspacex6065
@marsspacex6065 Жыл бұрын
Soo many factual errors in this documentary
@OlafProt
@OlafProt Жыл бұрын
A rat done bit my sister Nell. (with Whitey on the moon) Her face and arms began to swell. (and Whitey's on the moon) I can't pay no doctor bill. (but Whitey's on the moon) Ten years from now I'll be payin' still. (while Whitey's on the moon) The man jus' upped my rent las' night. ('cause Whitey's on the moon) No hot water, no toilets, no lights. (but Whitey's on the moon)
@kamandi1362
@kamandi1362 Жыл бұрын
Yes, that was an antiwhite song from this era.
@petergivenbless900
@petergivenbless900 Жыл бұрын
Surely the most tepid of hot takes; a proto-woke disdain for the popular thing, barely camouflaged in passive-aggressive equivocations, as tart as a stale blancmange, already yellowing at its edges.
@TheGrimStoic
@TheGrimStoic 12 күн бұрын
That's hind-labelling and I resent it - poor sod was simply an uncomplicated socialist specimen in his native ecosystem - the Beeb
@huntsteven5025
@huntsteven5025 Жыл бұрын
Hate bbc but earlier broadcasts documentary were well done not like today bbc
@danellis-jones1591
@danellis-jones1591 Жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with the BBC a law to stop political meddling of it won't fix.
@Finalmarco
@Finalmarco Жыл бұрын
I’m not British but i find bbc sound podcasts pretty good!
@alanmusicman3385
@alanmusicman3385 Жыл бұрын
Hate BBC? How fashionable of you 🙂I'd still far sooner watch a BBC documentary than any other. The miserable dumbed down stuff that plays on Discovery (no shot longer than 7 seconds) is very poor by comparison. The BBC is one of the last broadcast outlets doing serious treatments of subjects - but yes, they produce a lot of dross too such as endless blue-lit game shows all much like one another and me-too dramas apeing whatever has been successful. more recently.
@BuJammy
@BuJammy Жыл бұрын
@@alanmusicman3385 Yes, the people who want us to be rid of the BBC don't think about what would come after it: Murdoch Island.
@IAmSoMuchBetterThanYou
@IAmSoMuchBetterThanYou Жыл бұрын
Why on Earth would you hate the BBC? It’s had to simplify some of its content for thickies to retain viewers but other than that the quality of its output is unmatched. It’s news service is about as good as it can be. Maybe Al Jazeera is of the same standard. And if, like me, you grew up with the BBC but have emigrated elsewhere, you quickly realise how excellent the BBC still is.
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