talha93taj Right! I was looking to see who else caught that!

+talha93taj Orbit Orange was available in 1970. a more yellowish colour.

+talha93taj Was just gonna post this, as I had a Ram Air IV and it was carousel red as well.

Looks pretty orange to me, and he didn't say it was in its factory color, It could have been repainted.

Danny Hampton It is a factory '69 GTO Judge colour. As a matter of fact the first 5000 Judges made were painted Carousel Red only. Anybody who knows GTOs "Orbit Orange" is another factory colour but on a '70 GTO. Completely different. Google it.

This show doesn't deserve better, maybe even motor trend doesn't want us to watch it... These 2 great cars could do for a great episode with decent hosts, not 2 muppets faking that they like one car over the other.

I think to have you wait before HD become available. I have noticed that on KZfaq for several weeks/months now.

LOL you can either watch it right when it gets uploaded, in a lower quality, or wait for the video to process then watch it in HD. The uploader can wait to set the video public, so it comes out in hd, but that takes time.

Yea,you need to wait till its rendered,when it will be full HD

You need MT+ to get HD

yep, Pontiac even sold them with no trim rings on the ram air IV and charged u for weight reduction.my uncle has a spectacular ram air IV ,and I told him that he should put trim rings on it. he said it makes no sense,but I paid for no trim rings.(anyway to shave weight).

This is a fucking different show,what the fuck do you want ?

ZombieDestroyer991 There's just no chemistry between the two. It's as if they're FORCED to make each episode. It's too stiff and scripted. Not a bad show, they just need to work on presentation

ZombieDestroyer991 There is no chemistry its like an awkward highschool first date. Its painful too watch. I like the guys they know their stuff but they dont click well.

ScaryGhost1 I think there's chemistry but their complete opposites in terms of what they like. I think that's what makes this show great.

I think that is the whole point of this series. They wanted two completely different people with polarizing viewpoints. Plus it is their first show, compatibility and presentation skills come with experience. Granted Finnegan and Freiburger make it look easy and seemed like naturals.

No way

Wow you prefer the rebadged Holden Monaro from Australia over the real 69 GTO Judge.

I love gto judge's I don't have one now cause I'm not driving but in a few years I'm going to buy one just sucks that I can't get a good original one with a good paint job for a good price but I don't care I'll do what ever to get the one amazing car I want

did you ever get yourself one?

Grim Reaper you have my dream car!!!!I've it well...

Even Davin was conflicted!

i agree

+Greg Horn Subjective.

not really, the 06 gto looks like an effing ugly holden, because that is what it is. The LS3 mated to the 6 speed was like the one nice feature.

Eian Wahgener I think the 06 looks badass. It has that mean aggressive BMW-esque look in the front, and it has a very strong look overall. You probably think it's ugly because you're falling victim to "familiarity breeds contempt" as the 06 has a more familiar look to today's cars, and the 69's look isn't something you see often. If you were living in the 60's and all of a sudden saw a car with the 06's look, you'd probably think it's very bizarre but highly interesting and futuristic looking due to how unfamiliar it looks. You'd certainly be bewildered by it. Seriously, this whole "it's better because it's older" fallacy is so annoying. Learn to see the appeal in all things regardless of time-period.

Um except its an LS-2 mated to that 6 speed!! I own a 05 yellow jacket putting down 451 at the wheels. Its a great car. Love both GTO's but having driven both the new car is heads and shoulders better on the street.

ya right, im like so witch gto came with a turbo and wide body from gm? o theres only 1 in the world, and production model sold like shit

Silly wabbit, cleary that's a Vauxhall monaro.

kmi187 Which is just a re-badged Holden Monaro! :)

Spuds McHaggis Which was "just" a rebodied Vauxhall/Opel Omega :)

clonmult Incorrect, the car was originally a Holden Monaro re-badged as a Vauxhall/Opel and a GTO for international markets.

No the new one wasn't. It just didn't have the turbo and body kit that is all.

This 2006 is effectively 1 of 1. Because the newer GTOs were so (sorry to say) lame, it was a real tragedy that GM Design showed how awesome this car could have been... when it was already to late! Thanks for watching, and there is nothing wrong with voting for the old one :-)

Jeffrey Morgan I have one of the newer one to tell the truth they out performed the old one. Only reason they didn't do well is that people couldn't afford them and people want to see a old body style on them like ford and dodge. They did out performe most ever car on the road they still do it today.

Åhhh, but is there still room in the back seat for a good time? That is the question!

66tbird1 there is but back seats are bucket seating and I am to old for that. He'll if you can get the car you can afford a hotel at the least

Paul Rollins Nice!! I have a 1975 Pontiac Firebird Formula 400. This beauty was used in Nascar and competed with Corvettes. Luckily it has the 557 engine block and it can handle up to 550 to 630 HP. But I'm not here to compete with other modern cars. I just like how people say the there newer cars can beat me. But I don't even try since the sound of this car is NASTY.

Love the older Camaros and birds, I had a 74 maro back in the day. Nice car but my 05 GTO walks all over it in every way.

06

It may not be 1969 but shouldn't the 06 look something like a GTO? It looks like a newer Pontiac coupe. Just because it's fast, doesn't make it a GTO - Pontiac is just using the name for marketing. It's not a GTO because it looks absolutely nothing like a GTO, insulting to a legend!

A relative drove a Vietnam war era Pontiac GTO 1969 , Hurst 4 in the floor , 400 cu. in. , Red on Red and explained how he raced others & mentioned ALL others lost , including ... well I'm not gonna say for sake of others . Then stored it and sold after many generations for * * * * * .

Amen to that Brother

Did you get it

In person it was definitely very very Orange! Like, so orange it made the cars around more orange. Thanks for watching!

Jeffrey Morgan I know it's orange but the name they gave that color from the factory was Carousel Red. Never understood why Pontiac named a clearly ORANGE color red but kudos to them it's sexy.

Auto Young Pfft. Figures Davin would get it wrong.

Matt Lewis LOL

No no no

Frank S I know right

Yes, and the Oshawa Pontiac plant in canada supplied the Judge but only in carousel red . I saw one in July 69 with the hide away light , 4 spd and Hood Tach . A real Judge didn't have those trim rings on the wheels which was on the GTO , the steering wheel is a stock version and there were 2 up grade designs. The early ones didn't have JUDGE on the glove box , plus it wasn't until spring 69 that the limited colours expanded to about 13 colours. One GTO came from the Plant in blue with a white nose , the factory had trouble with that colour and called the dealer to alert the customer....the next choice was white which they had and installed.

You are correct but I still never understood the naming of that color. Its no were near looking red.

Thank you very much! One of our goals at Hagerty is to be genuine with our content. It's hard when a lot of people expect Jersey Shore levels of "reality" haha. The 360p thing is just heartbreaking. KZfaq just got hung up on the render, and now we don't want to re-upload because all the views and comments go away. They don't allow you to replace a video once it is live. The NEXT Lingenfelter Gen Gap will be back to full rez, I am sure.

first time on KZfaq? noob.

dude get a life

Dale Cocking sounds like you need to get a life. Or learn how KZfaq works. Noob. LOL

I was joking around. how dare you call your self a car guy.

Dale Cocking You're a funny guy Cocking.

George Ferrer. I think I love you. LOL. I feel the same way. Steel over plastic any day. I would take a muscle car from the 60's or 70's before I would even consider taking a modern car and I am only 40 years old. Gotta go with the classics

​@@5150SS Amen to that brother

Thanks outlaw. Sorry to hear about your home! Working at Hagerty, I covered some of the Hurricane Sandy aftermath, as well as the Detroit flooding. It's always rough loosing photos and keepsakes, not to mention the safety concerns. Best of luck. When you are ready, the GTO will be waiting. :-)

not really. the new ones never went below a very good resale value and these last five years have actually already appreciated.

​@@drm9979 They'll never be as valuable as the originals though.

ooo thats a good one

The AE86 is too new for Davin lol :P

American show so its a Scion FR-S for some strange reason.

akidonacouch AE86 Should win.. Will win.. Always wins.. Its the underdog that will always come out on top if the driver has the skill to handle that short wheelbase..

drewx420 having driven both in their stock form, the gt86 is a betrer car from factory. Faster in a straight line, and better suspension from factory, with a smoother gearbox

i actually prefer the old look.

Undead Military Crew i think everyone does lol, who wants their muscle car to be mistaken for a pontiac sunfire

dude it does, it looks like a lsighlty bigger sunfire, same styleing and everything

ChronicConnoisseur modern grand prix, maybe grand am, definitely not the saturn wanna be, looks nothing like it

***** It's typical bullying because they have no actual facts to back up their argument.

I don't want to watch this b/c Matt never wins. I thought for sure the Fiero would win! People these days only care about looks when it comes to cars.

Anthony Vaccaro Matt does have the uphill battle on our show. Cars after 1974 really took a hit with emissions and safety regulations. That said, Matt has won once, and maybe he can do it again! We do find (here at Hagerty) that the classic car guys all make sure to vote. So you have to rally your friends if you want to give Matt a chance!

Sorry you feel that way, VWGamer. While not all the comparisons are amazing, we really think a lot of them are fun! Matt and Davin are as legit as it comes regarding know how and love for collector cars. I was just in Matt's driveway getting help with a repair on my Jetta 2 hours ago! We really went for authentic and real on our show. It's what Hagerty stands for. Genuine fun and love for the hobby. What would you like to see change for the show to entertain you more?

Jeffrey Morgan I don't have a problem with Petrolicious because it just feels more personal. You see the connection between the car and the owner. The problem with this show is that it feels like the hosts don't spend enough time in the car and really don't show how passionate they are about the car (If you guys don't have the cars for very long than I realize that it isn't your fault). I know they don't read a script all the time but from my point of view it just seems that way. Sorry for the long winded comment.

plus.google.com/u/0/111983698478949719152 You're right other than the voting I really love the show. I think the bickering they do isn't scripted. I really love the cars they pick too!

have you actually driven an 05-06? tons of GTO owners became owners from a single test drive. including me. also, the 04-06 always was planned with a three year lifespan because 2007 introduced new safety requirements such as side air bags which required a complete reworking of the car. That is why it had a three year lifespan.

Amen to that brother

​@@drm9979 Then how come it didn't sold well then?

@@CJColvin hopefully this is an honest question and this will be civil and not be a discussion of insults and foolishness. my belief is there were some mistakes made, the 2004 Bob Lutz himself has indicated should have had some modifications. It should have had hood scoops, it should have had a dual exhaust. It should have had 18" wheels. it should have had the beautiful rear re-design that was done for 2005-2006. also, there was the initial curious and sometimes bitter resentment from the old-timers, most of whom have since come full circle. also, I believe it may be true, as I have read, there were forces within GM that actually wanted it to not succeed. If so, it sold very well for those circumstances. most importantly, it does not even matter. the coolest muscle car of all time, the 1970-1974 Cudas did not sell well either, only a five year lifespan and then killed forever, they sold literally just a fraction of what Camaros and Mustangs sold, even though many (including me) believe they were superior in design (although 69-70 Mustangs were awesome, as were 1969 Camaros). less than 5000 Cudas were sold in 1974, far lower than GTO numbers. but they are gold at auction today.

@@drm9979 True, now had the 04-06 GTO had retro looks with modern performance and not a rebadged Holden Monaro from Australia it would've sold extremely well and Pontiac would've still been around to this day whooping on Mopars.

yeah 69/68 charger r/t vs new charger srt8

yeah 69/68 charger r/t vs new charger srt8

We are excited to show it to you! Hagerty (where I work and make this show) had a heck of a time finding a GREAT Grand National, we tried for a long time, in fact. Finally we got ahold of this GNX and it was quite the episode. Wait till you see what it faces off with! Thanks for watching.

Jeffrey Morgan I'm not sure anything can compete with the Grand National in my mind, it's gotta be my all time favorite car, but I'll keep preconceptions aside ;) Thanks for making the show!

Tony Patt reality check for you. the 2004-2006 gto was deserving of the name since the first gto was nothing more than a performance package for the tempest.

Show some respect --- that "package" is the daddy of MUSCLECARS. The Holden was a corporate mistake that Ford and Chrysler corrected with

KayKars , Mike hey dummy the last time I checked stating a fact is not disrespectful and that Holden is worthy of the GTO badge so what that it doesn't look like the old GTO neither did the mustang,camaro, or firebird for a long time. but retards that want to whine about it's looks are why it and Pontiac are gone.

armymatt83 Holden is not GM... You cant just build a car and say "Oh it's GTO worthy"... just cuz you like it. Geo Metro is a Suzuki ... is it "worthy" to be a Chevy... ? What if Mazda built the next mustang? This is how "American" The Holden GTO is. Car build in Australia, rebaged to GTO, and I say GTO because they didn't put "Pontiac" any place on the car till someone bitched. Engine CHEVY, cast where at.. Canada... Trans could come from many places but none the USA. Even the PCM has a "HOLDEN ONLY" tune. Not Pontiac, Not GM and not American..

ramairgto72 shows how little you know. Holden has been GM since the 60's

That's what I love about it. I don't want a car who's body shouts 'Look at me! I'm so big and mean and fast!' to everyone. I want a car that is an unassuming, button-down oxford shirt psychopath waiting to explode.

@@CheetahFoxx I dont buy a muscle car to look normal. You want normal, buy and everyray sedan. When buying a any type of performance car you're wanting something that sticks out from the ordinary. I absolutely loved the second gen Trans Ams had the bird all over lol

@@Blood_Goddess But that's the thing; not everyone wants a performance car because it's something that "sticks out from the ordinary". The only reason I want a performance car so I can go fast. I feel strangely obscene driving a big loud car out in public. I'm a shy person and don't like all that attention. So when I got my GTO, I removed the spoiler, SAP front body kit, "6.0" badges, replaced the 05 hood with the 04 scoopless hood, and am now looking to put the 04 bumper and single-side exhaust on it. At the same time, the suspension has been completely redone to be stiffer and stronger, I got long tube headers, a FAST LSX intake manifold, and I hope to procharge it soon. My car is unassuming Clark Kent just quietly toodling down the main streets in town, and then when I'm all alone on the winding mountain roads, he takes off his glasses, and Superman has arrived.

it looks like a soccer mom car with a body kit. (grand am)

@@Blood_Goddess youve obviously never heard of sleeper culture or just factory sleeper cars in genral

Exactly mate

Even if it IS crapping golden eggs, it loses to a 67-69 GTO

Exactly mate but instead they just made a rebadged Holden Monaro from Australia mate.

Girls take over.

A toyota gt86 is really a Subaru brz and a Subaru brz is really a scion frs... Your point is?

Tom Benton The Toyoubaru was developed cooperatively by Toyota and Subaru. The Holden Monaro came before the Pontiac "GTO". It shows a lack of creativity.

Tom Benton What J. Hammac said. Pontiac didn't put any effort into the new GTO, just rebranded another vehicle, which happens to be Australian. SMH

***** It's better to build a car that you can make your own. Leaving the car bland looking but with the performance to suprise you opens up many aftermarket opportunities.

bOB SmItty Uhh, dude, you just came outta left field. What are you talking about?

right, to be fair they shoulda brought a production 06 gto and find a old suped up judge that runs 9 or 10 1/4s

That's what I'm saying!

It doesn't make much sense to suddenly have massively modified cars on this series so I have to agree. I have a sneaking feeling though that in order to use the GTO judge they had to also show off their new GTO for advertising purposes. Thats business I guess...

The thing is, like matt said it came from GM performance, so it IS stock, its just the only one of its kind.

Thats not really a production car though. The judge had many built while the newer gto is a concept car really. Even famous race variants of many cars needed homologation. I can see your view though.

Nope it's still Holden Monaro from Australia and it's built in Australia as well unlike the original 69 GTO Judge

OldskoolGP - I produce this show for Hagerty, I believe what Matt was saying was that this modified GTO was as close to a Judge as he thought would be seen after the original. The implication made in the video is that poor sales were the reason the newer GTO did not continue. Whether that was why Holden had them stop or why Pontiac stopped buying them is a good discussion point. I just wanted to clarify what I think Matt and Davin were getting at. Either way, we all feel it's a real tragedy Pontiac put out this awesome prototype right at the end of the run and it was to little to late. Thanks for watching!

My point is that GM did not choose to stop making them. The platform the GTO was built on (the V RWD platform) was dated and being replaced by the Zeta platform that underpins the Commodore, and in the US the G8 and Camaro. The car we received was already the hottest version that Holden made, actually that HSV made to be precise. The LS2 produces more power than the platform was ever designed to handle and had to be reworked in 2005 to handle the extra power. Holden would not permit GM to build them in the US so even if they wanted to change it, they couldn't.

Interesting! Holden sounds like an interesting company. Where do you recommend people go to read up on them?

One of the reasons this show doesn't exist anymore. They didn't know what they were talking about half the time.

Josh's Car Corner The last GTO was 72

+Nowforever13 ...for 15 millionth time!

Yep you got it brother but these modern GTO lovers will never learn.

;) if you know what I mean

Why??? Looks are not everything people!

Don_Dominguez Not in HP

TheSupermonkeymaster Unless it's a go-kart then it's insane

Anthony Vaccaro maybe people do not like a plastic piece of shit?...

But yet will never look as beautiful as the original GTOs from the 1960s.

@@CJColvin I had a 1970 GTO many years ago. Living in the midwest with salt on the roads, it rotted away. I am not into retro styles. That is a lazy persons design team. Cars from the 60s were easily recognized by the year, make and model. Remember the 1969 Camaro? 1970 Camaro? Both completely different.

@@kevin122759 True, have you heard of a restomod before mate, also how come the newer GTO from Australia didn't sell well then?

+Jacobe2of4 Resto mod is best in my book. Keeps old stuff on the road, and safe.

​@@Zankaroo Amen to that brother

The heartbeats in them are American. One is a Pontiac heart the other a Chevy.

+Jeanine Rollins sorry but I'm having trouble understanding how a car designed and manufactured by A Australian car company for Australians and then rebranded for Americans has an American heartbeat? the 2006 is gm but that's but buy default , it's really called a Monaro made by Holden and Holden is a Australian car company owned by GM.gm being lazy just rebranded it as a gto. Look it up.

..and that American heartbeat carried in 5 decades of world class Australian muscle cars from Ford and GM Holden is being extinguished by Detroit execs. The Gen 5 Camaro was developed and engineered in Melbourne Australia on the locally developed Zeta platform (VE Commodore), it was the Gen 5 Camaro that set a NEW benchmark in what American pony/muscle cars could achieve, this was the first WORLD CLASS Camaro and it stung Ford USA into developing an equally competitive world class Mustang for the 6th gen. Without Australian know how, ingenuity, passion and skill I doubt the current golden age of American muscle car would be what it is today. Fans of modern American muscle are indebted to Australia for its design and engineering legacy. Even this unfairly maligned Australian made GTO? What did America produce back in 2006 that was any better? answer, NOTHING. Chevy Malibu, Lumina or some other front-wheel-drive garbage with a body kit? Mustang? well, better than the 4th gen, but not like the dynamics of the Holden/Pontiac GTO. ..oh and who designed the stunning 2017 Ford GT.?.that's right another Australian, Todd Willing, poached from Ford engineering and design centre in Melbourne. Designing America's premier supercar....

+Knight Industries nice bit of info, To bad it's irrelevant in this conversation other then it being Australian like I already stated.go troll elsewhere thanks...

Amen to that brother

Exactly mate, who knows it could've even out do Dodge by a long shot.

The body kit ruined it for me... but even then the new gtos always looked lame

***** I like the new GTOs I think they look fine I just dislike this ones body kit. It would have been more of a sleeper without it. The reason the GTO failed was well most GTO enthusiasts were disappointed by it. My friend has an 04 GTO with the ls1 and a procharger on it we put a new cam and crank in it and its a really fun car to drive. The six speed makes it even more fun and even bearable to drive daily which he does during the summer months.

I have to say that the 66/67 GTOs were, to me, the better looking car than the fast-back styling of the later goats. But then, I always preferred the Roadrunner to the GTO, mostly because you could get it with a 440 cid engine with the 6-pack.

It's not a new Judge and they never said it was.

Yep you got it brother

^^^obviously never driven a 04-06 GTO^^^

^^^obviously didn't read my comment. I said the new one is faster, more powerful and no doubt handles better. But it does not deserve to be called a muscle car nor should it bear the GTO badge. It doesn't have half the style the old car does. It may be fun to drive, but I would take the old gto over the new gto any day.

RCPro Driver are you serious about it not being called a "Muscle" car... Why? Because it doesn't look bulky? A 6.0 GTO is definitely a "Muscle" car. What's your argument? Just because it isn't as bulky? Are you forgetting the 400 HP? I'm with you on the GTO badge though, but please tell me why you wouldn't put this in the Muslce Car category? It's American, it has a huge engine, and it has the power... I'd clearly take a 5.7 GTO over a 4.6 Mustang... or a GT... if those qualify, then hell... anything with 250hp should qualify if it's American lol...

it may have the power, be RWD and fast.....but it is not styled like a muscle car. But that is my opinion. I wouldn't throw the car away if someone gave one to me....but if I had the money there are many other cars I would buy instead. the car's style has no flare. You could take off the GTO badge and it could be mistaken for any other Pontiac. some of the modern mustangs hardly deserve to be called muscle cars either. again, my opinion.

agree, was just wondering what you deemed a muscle car. I have a ws6 01, but I'd def take a 6.0 GTO over it lol...