1972 OG 10K Final (Entire Race)

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Жыл бұрын

This legendary race features Great Britain's Dave Bedford rocketing out to a blistering 60-second first lap, setting the stage for an unforgettable battle for Olympic gold. The video captures every thrilling lap of the competition, along with estimated split times for all 25 laps around the track.
Witness history as Lasse Virén of Finland smashes the World Record, leaving a trail of shattered national records in his wake. This masterpiece of distance running will have you on the edge of your seat from start to finish!
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@garyhanson638
@garyhanson638 Жыл бұрын
Great commentators. Descriptive, colorful, honest and researched. Missing in these times here in the US.
@bryantcullen1377
@bryantcullen1377 10 ай бұрын
We get "diversity" commentators. They suck
@juha2031
@juha2031 8 ай бұрын
I met Lasse Viren two weeks ago. Such a humble man.
@PaulVinonaama
@PaulVinonaama 8 ай бұрын
How is he? Miten mies jakselee?
@tonymartinis2956
@tonymartinis2956 7 ай бұрын
what a legend, bless him
@laalki80
@laalki80 Ай бұрын
@@PaulVinonaama Pysyttelee legendana vaan varmaan 😄
@josefserf1926
@josefserf1926 8 ай бұрын
The greatest distance race of all time. Bedford, Puttemans, Viren, Shorter, Gammoudi and Yifter etc - all household names when it comes to distance running. David Coleman and Norris McWhirter provide informed commentary.
@Sargebri
@Sargebri 8 ай бұрын
Back then they had to run heats for the 10,000 now they just have the final. This is what makes Viren's performance even more amazing.
@Mike20216
@Mike20216 Күн бұрын
Amazing Athlete, in the pantheon of long distance runners, he ranks alongside all of them, Nurmi, zatopek, Gebrselassie, Bekele, and farah.
@jayshaeffer6792
@jayshaeffer6792 Жыл бұрын
Great race. Bedford very brave. Thank you putting in the splits, huge help
@francishunt562
@francishunt562 10 ай бұрын
An arrogant idiot who got his tactics totally wrong.
@garysmith3913
@garysmith3913 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this up. Viren's drive for home from 630 meters out was amazing.
@PivotalRunning
@PivotalRunning Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@aldopedroso6212
@aldopedroso6212 Жыл бұрын
2:29.2 last kilometer.
@TheAutisticCat
@TheAutisticCat 11 ай бұрын
Yeh. I wonder how Viren could do that?
@redrum4100
@redrum4100 3 ай бұрын
@@TheAutisticCat Do you not also ask yourself how Puttemans could run a sub 2:30 last kilometre?
@RichardIILionheart
@RichardIILionheart 10 ай бұрын
Even American TV at the time showed the entire race live, aside from one commercial break (~1 to 2 minutes) in the middle. Maybe this was because the race was on a Sunday morning, US time. Having Frank Shorter in contention did not hurt either. To me the most amazing thing was Viren’s fall and exceedingly quick recovery. He seemed to be on the ground for only a couple of seconds. And then, except for the first 100 meters or so after getting up, when he accelerated to regain contact, Viren seemed unperturbed by the fall. Then there were the stumbles by Puttemans and Viren with one or two laps left. Can you imagine what flashed through their minds at that point?
@kingwilson06ad
@kingwilson06ad 10 ай бұрын
Frank Shorter said of Lasse Viren that he had an amazing gait. The upper body was relaxed and upright never slouching. And that the lower body did all the locomotion without affecting his form, whether he was jogging, running or sprinting. Shorter said that "it was in the RPM's; it was something to watch."
@davidbeavan9521
@davidbeavan9521 9 ай бұрын
Great runner
@rentslave
@rentslave 8 ай бұрын
I saw both Frank and Lasse lose road races in NJ 2 years apart. Frank in 1982 at 10K. Lasse in 1980 at 15K.
@APBCTechnique
@APBCTechnique 2 ай бұрын
@@rentslavebut they won when it mattered 🥇
@randyevermore9323
@randyevermore9323 Ай бұрын
Yes, Lasse's running form was quite a contrast with that of many of today's great African runners, with their high recovery ("back-kick"). He seems to pull his trailing leg forward relatively close to the ground, as if he's trying to get his foot back on the ground as quickly as possibly. It was a unique style even then, but obviously very efficient even at sprint speeds.
@PBosco
@PBosco 10 ай бұрын
Emiel Puttemans was overshadowed but equally a great distance runner. He broke the world record in the 5k six days after these games -- 13:13.
@davidrpriest
@davidrpriest 2 ай бұрын
He was great in this race. Viren was just a little better.
@Mike20216
@Mike20216 Күн бұрын
Yes he was certainly a great runner
@saminieminen4871
@saminieminen4871 13 сағат бұрын
Puttemans ran more than ten outdoor and indoor world records in his career.
@frozen_finn
@frozen_finn 8 ай бұрын
After 50 years that Lasse Virén's time is still second best time which Finnish runner has ever run on 10 000 meters. He really is a Flying Finn and a rare talent 🦅🇫🇮
@user-ss6bm3vx7v
@user-ss6bm3vx7v 4 ай бұрын
Actually the real Flying Finn,omho, is Paavo Nurmi...9 olymipic gold medals.
@user-rn8tm5xy6v
@user-rn8tm5xy6v 4 ай бұрын
And he had the master coach
@kixigvak
@kixigvak 8 ай бұрын
I watched this on tv in Munich. The atmosphere during the race was absolutely electric. Bedford really impressed. But the whole race everybody thought Viren was unbeatable. He didn't disappoint.
@chucklynch5505
@chucklynch5505 10 ай бұрын
You fall. You get up and rejoin the pack and take the lead. You win. You set a world record. Tell me this wasn't the greatest race in Olympic history. I'll wait
@tonder762
@tonder762 10 ай бұрын
It is not world record
@braydonnix134
@braydonnix134 10 ай бұрын
@@tonder762it was at the time
@tonder762
@tonder762 10 ай бұрын
@@braydonnix134 As a Finn I know it was a European record, not World record
@PaulVinonaama
@PaulVinonaama 10 ай бұрын
@@tonder762 Being a Finn does not guarantee knowledge. Certainly it was a world record. If you cannot google it yourself, check it here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10,000_metres_world_record_progression
@anssiainali5739
@anssiainali5739 9 ай бұрын
It was world record. It is easy to check if you can use computer.@@tonder762
@kenmaclaren5748
@kenmaclaren5748 Жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff. I remember watching this as an 11 year old.
@PaulVinonaama
@PaulVinonaama 11 ай бұрын
I was 8, as a Finn rooting for Viren, of course. The fall and the win - one of the unforgettable childhood's memories.
@Anon.northlondonsuburbs
@Anon.northlondonsuburbs Жыл бұрын
Fantastic race. Thank you for posting.
@MrRun1on
@MrRun1on 10 ай бұрын
ran with Shorter and Viren as a kid in a road race.. Both men generous with their time . Only topped by having met PRE...
@chrisgatt310
@chrisgatt310 Жыл бұрын
What a finnish
@JohnBrown-be6re
@JohnBrown-be6re 9 ай бұрын
many thanks for uploading...superb race!
@sridharsrinivasan5375
@sridharsrinivasan5375 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for putting this up ! 👍
@jameskarr6227
@jameskarr6227 7 ай бұрын
Always showed this race to my kids before state XC. Great lessons in this race.
@goldenbear8250
@goldenbear8250 10 ай бұрын
I was a 14 year old kid watching that race on TV when I realized, Lasse Viren was a MONSTER!
@Gerhard2770
@Gerhard2770 20 күн бұрын
Blood- doper extra-ordinaire.
@whahappened8398
@whahappened8398 8 күн бұрын
@@Gerhard2770 Viren's times are slow by todays standards. College students today run faster than Viren. Ive run a 13: 17 for5km. Ive never used any performance enhancement. I lined up against Viren in the late 70's. I can tell you this man was built for running. His rhythm and cadence was what was "extra- ordinaire". His commitment to training was remarkable. He was methodical and so very determined. Perhaps instead of parroting the blood doping smear, consider that years of hard work also lead to fast running. Relentless hill sprints was the only drug I took. If anyone tried to stick a needle in me I would have punched them in the head. Viren's times and performances were entirely possible without enhancement & I am proof of that.
@PaulVinonaama
@PaulVinonaama Жыл бұрын
There is an error around 2' It was Naftali Temu, not Mamo Wolde, who won 10,000 in 1968.
@liliananicolaldesaavedra8381
@liliananicolaldesaavedra8381 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@KaiHellmann
@KaiHellmann 2 ай бұрын
Lasse, this run, you fall and win. And new world record. This run can makes the movie…
@spinoz2319
@spinoz2319 10 ай бұрын
Lasse, perkele! 14:00 Kaatuu! 29:10 Voittaaaaaaaa!
@randstahl4869
@randstahl4869 9 ай бұрын
Inspiration, this race as is its winner who inspires.
@user-qq9on8tv9k
@user-qq9on8tv9k 7 ай бұрын
Впечатляет уникальная техника бега Вирена,присущая тольо ему.Кажется,что он бежит в прогулочном темпе.
@alchimusfifrelin8173
@alchimusfifrelin8173 10 ай бұрын
Superbe course. C'est une très bonne idée d'afficher les chronos de tous les tours.
@jussimatikainen4681
@jussimatikainen4681 4 ай бұрын
Sisulla mentiin. Viren the finnish flash :D
@coryholland1811
@coryholland1811 Ай бұрын
Shorter last after 2 laps. Ends up 5th. Great pacing.
@db5837
@db5837 Жыл бұрын
Interesting that Viren has longer legs than the other runners and a lower heel kick.
@fungiformenow
@fungiformenow 10 ай бұрын
I found that also fascinating
@gunternetzer9621
@gunternetzer9621 2 ай бұрын
@@fungiformenow A tremendous running action that never wavered even under extreme pressure.
@fungiformenow
@fungiformenow 2 ай бұрын
@@gunternetzer9621 yes, it so brings to the mind the action of giraffe in run
@thomas1630
@thomas1630 Ай бұрын
@@fungiformenow I see that, smart
@kensims583
@kensims583 Жыл бұрын
Would there be any FULL versions available of the 1976 10000m final in Montreal where Viren beat Lopez.
@AnthonyMcqueen1987
@AnthonyMcqueen1987 9 ай бұрын
The 10k on the track is one race you need to have patience going balls out and you will pay the price.
@wastedcentury1805
@wastedcentury1805 Жыл бұрын
I remember these races from when I was a kid. But the American commentary certainly didn't obsess with Bedford like these BBC versions. It was interesting that a world record could fall despite Viren quite obviously slowing the pace to a crawl as soon as he decided to lead at the 17 minute mark. The commentator thought Viren wanted to inject pace. It was exactly the opposite.
@PaulVinonaama
@PaulVinonaama Жыл бұрын
I think Viren noticed that Bedford was tending to slow down. The last lap Bedford led was 69s; then 67, 71, 68, 68; certainly no "crawl."
@RK-um9tu
@RK-um9tu 10 ай бұрын
Americans obsessed over Jim Ryan and Pre...
@liliananicolaldesaavedra8381
@liliananicolaldesaavedra8381 Жыл бұрын
More videos like this with same features
@eleazarrelevo5096
@eleazarrelevo5096 10 ай бұрын
Their running shorts are much better than what the present athletes are wearing!
@IzdSammy
@IzdSammy Жыл бұрын
I'd appreciate if you might have the 1976 Montreal 10000m finale race, the ABC-TV version. It is of interest particularly because Jim McKay, Erich Segal (author of "The Love Story") and legendary miler Marty Liquori brought up the topic of blood doping into the discussion in their commentary, which led the Finnish Olympics delegation to take some legal measures / threats leading the topic not to be discussed a few days later at the 5000m finale. I had the opportunity to ask Marty Liquori about the topic a few years ago, and he maintained that he didn't want to talk about the topic at all in the studio, and that the conversation was overall more speculative than accusing Lasse Viren (albeit he was evidently the reason why the topic of transfusions arose in the first place).
@bradoneil536
@bradoneil536 Жыл бұрын
Funny enough, if I'm remembering right the BBC team talked about the same thing in the 1980 10,000 which also featured Viren. They say something like Viren suddenly went into the hospital just before the Games and "there were one or two knowing smiles among the distance boys" but they also point out that blood doping was legal then. The other Finn who was prominent in that race, Kaarlo Maaninka, later actually admitted he did blood doping. The third Finn in the '80 race was Martti Vainio who would famously win a medal in 1984 only to get busted for regular old doping a few days later. It all puts a bit of a damper on this era of distance running for me, even if some of what they were doing was still legal. But now we doubt any big performance today because we fear it was made possible by EPO so maybe it's all the same.
@IzdSammy
@IzdSammy Жыл бұрын
@@bradoneil536 The BBC 10k race from 1980 in which they mention the alleged hospital visits and "blood exchanges" is actually on KZfaq, at least was still a year-two ago.
@IzdSammy
@IzdSammy Жыл бұрын
@@bradoneil536 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gNiKo7desb6zXWw.html From roughly 4:50 onwards
@MultiJejje
@MultiJejje 10 ай бұрын
@@bradoneil536 It's pretty common knowledge here in Finland that Viren used blood doping. He has never admitted this but it's pretty clear. There are few reasons, few of his Finnish buddy athletes admitted that they used blood doping and some have even said that Viren did it also. One more reason is that Viren wasn't really that good in Finnish Championships, he has only 2 or 3 gold medals if I remember right. But always just before Olympic Games he was magically over one minute faster and nobody had chances against him. But yeah, blood doping was legal then.
@PaulVinonaama
@PaulVinonaama 10 ай бұрын
​@@MultiJejje That is simply not true. What is true is that Viren was at his best in the Olympic years 1972 and 1976, but his condition lasted for most of the season including the Finnish Championships. Tutki tilastoja, niin huomaat tämän. (Itse olin todistamassa stadionilla kesäkuussa 1976, kun Viren juoksi kympillä maailman kärkiajan, kun olympiakisoihin oli vielä kosolti aikaa. Ei häntä kukaan Kalevan kisoissa voittanut silloin eikä 1972.)
@jussitarponen1919
@jussitarponen1919 11 ай бұрын
i have seen this race numbers of times, i think gammoudi would have been without that collision in the top four, he made earlier a few days before 27. 54 and he was a good tactic
@PaulVinonaama
@PaulVinonaama 11 ай бұрын
Besides, he later got the silver in the 5000m.
@usa26point2mileman
@usa26point2mileman 8 ай бұрын
I had never watched this from the beginning. I had no idea, the complete polar opposite strategy of the 5000 meter race this Olympics. Its almost like some of the runners who doubled (like Bedford) -(who ended with a bronze in the 5K) thought "not going to make that mistake again." I mean a 60 second opening 1/4. No one to this day has averaged 4-minute miles for 6.2 miles.
@PaulVinonaama
@PaulVinonaama 8 ай бұрын
Bedford did not get bronze in the 5K. He was 12th IIRC.
@mrgobrien
@mrgobrien 4 ай бұрын
@@PaulVinonaama @usa26point2mileman - ian stewart (another british athlete like bedford) won bronze in the 5000m.
@thomas1630
@thomas1630 Ай бұрын
Bedford was great, but compared to Veren's form Bedford lifted his knees way higher and threw them out more.
@coryholland1811
@coryholland1811 Ай бұрын
Great commentary. David Coleman?
@michaellord6884
@michaellord6884 4 күн бұрын
Yep
@antiquefilmgallery5683
@antiquefilmgallery5683 11 ай бұрын
It took 6:06 (4:32 race time) before anyone mentioned Virén.
@randyevermore9323
@randyevermore9323 Ай бұрын
Which is odd, considering that Viren had blown away Bedford, Puttemans, and Ian Stewart in a 2-mile race just a couple of weeks before this, a race in which Viren set a new WR.
@redrum4100
@redrum4100 3 ай бұрын
18:35 "Certainly Bedford has not taken them along as fast as we expected...and they're now about three seconds outside world record schedule". Seems pretty fast to me!
@PaulVinonaama
@PaulVinonaama 3 ай бұрын
I remember that many actually waited for the WR to be broken. In those days there were no rabbitted WR trials and many believed that the runners might actually run considerably faster than they had. And on the basis of this race they really might. Viren did get the WR despite his fall and the very uneven pacing. We can only try to guess how fast he (or even Puttemans) might have run if they had put all their effor to a rabbitted WR trial.
@redrum4100
@redrum4100 3 ай бұрын
@@PaulVinonaama Fair comment!
@evaristoleon2801
@evaristoleon2801 Жыл бұрын
Ritmo infernal, salieron para hacer un tiempo por debajo de 27':0", impresionante esta carrera, memorable, es un deleite verla y esta fue en 1972!.
@aldopedroso6212
@aldopedroso6212 Жыл бұрын
Por debajo de 26'00 el primer kilometro.
@johnstirling6597
@johnstirling6597 Жыл бұрын
Interesting to watch the contrasting styles of Bedford and Viren, Bedford looks like he is forcing it the whole way compared to Viren who looks like he is just ticking over. What a different race it would have been had Bedford not led for the first 3k then stuck in a fast 5k and hung on?
@PivotalRunning
@PivotalRunning Жыл бұрын
Bedford opening 400 in 60 and 2:04 for 800. It sure told everyone in the field the WR and OR was going to be broken that day. Viren’s quick recovery after his fall was amazing.
@aldopedroso6212
@aldopedroso6212 Жыл бұрын
Bedford couldn't run that way, he had to go hard from the start. Probably more than a little traumatized from the European Championships the year before where he led the whole race until the last lap and finished 5th. In '72 he improved his 400 best to 54.8 which meant if he jumped into that Euro Champs on the last lap he STILL would have finished 5th.
@aldopedroso6212
@aldopedroso6212 Жыл бұрын
@@PivotalRunning I thought they were dying after the crazy start, they were 10 seconds behind Clarke at 9000 but then Viren REALLY cranked it up.
@johnstirling6597
@johnstirling6597 Жыл бұрын
@@aldopedroso6212 Exactly why he should not have led from the start, should have hung with the pack to around 4 or 5 k then kicked it down, may not have won, or even beaten Puttemans for silver but could defiantly had the bronze. I think he tried to stamp his authority on the race from the start but couldn't quite execute like when he set the world record.
@aldopedroso6212
@aldopedroso6212 Жыл бұрын
@@johnstirling6597 He wouldn't have beaten Yifter.
@mantaraymartin8035
@mantaraymartin8035 2 ай бұрын
How many Olympic medalists and World Record setters in this race, eh?
@PaulVinonaama
@PaulVinonaama 11 ай бұрын
Virén's fall at 14:00.
@goldenbear8250
@goldenbear8250 10 ай бұрын
AND HE STILL SET A WORLD RECORD!!!
@sandpquan
@sandpquan 9 ай бұрын
Worst commentators ever! (They forgot he fell)
@iamthegreatcornholio7836
@iamthegreatcornholio7836 8 ай бұрын
this is better than nascar
@jankarlsson8341
@jankarlsson8341 Ай бұрын
Viren falls, the commentator barely mentions it. I thought he would be screaming away.
@mikenealon4042
@mikenealon4042 3 ай бұрын
shorter saved for the marathon
@PaulVinonaama
@PaulVinonaama 3 ай бұрын
Yea, and Viren for the 5000m.
@Ammerstol
@Ammerstol 10 ай бұрын
2:28 "he miscounted a lap the following day.... and ended a lap too soon". Like I'm listening to Monthy Python's Olympics :D
@mattiabianuccitrainer
@mattiabianuccitrainer Жыл бұрын
Is that Frank Horwill one of the speakers?
@PivotalRunning
@PivotalRunning Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure on the BBC Commentary but I would say it is probably Frank Horwill as he brought so much enthusiasm into the UK during his long and impactful tenure in athletics.
@mattiabianuccitrainer
@mattiabianuccitrainer Жыл бұрын
@@PivotalRunning Thanks 🙏
@PaulVinonaama
@PaulVinonaama Жыл бұрын
The one who talks most of the time is David Coleman, I think.
@garysmith3913
@garysmith3913 Жыл бұрын
@@PivotalRunning David Coleman is definitely the main commentator in this video. I believe Ron Pickering was the other fellow commentating.
@airingcupboard1187
@airingcupboard1187 Жыл бұрын
@@garysmith3913 Not Pickering, I think it was one of the McWhirter twins who later went on to do Record Breakers with Roy Castle.
@trossalbert5369
@trossalbert5369 4 ай бұрын
Watch 228 ,Finland.
@PaulVinonaama
@PaulVinonaama Жыл бұрын
In your fonts, 7 and 1 are almost identical.
@PivotalRunning
@PivotalRunning Жыл бұрын
Thank you! That’s what my Wife said and I should have listened to her. I’ll make that change going forward.
@GeoAce777
@GeoAce777 10 ай бұрын
thus was probably the last time a Kenyan got lapped😄😅
@Stacie45
@Stacie45 10 ай бұрын
Viren brought a few extra red blood cells with him.
@francishunt562
@francishunt562 10 ай бұрын
Perfectly legal at the time.
@PaulVinonaama
@PaulVinonaama 10 ай бұрын
@@francishunt562 Moreover, an assumption with no evidence.
@randyevermore9323
@randyevermore9323 Ай бұрын
@@PaulVinonaama Who needs evidence when you've got all those sour grapes?
@stiffyupperlip1851
@stiffyupperlip1851 10 ай бұрын
Try Finnish commentators...
@suomenpresidentti
@suomenpresidentti 9 ай бұрын
Greetings From Finland! Lasse actually just was very ill couple of weeks ago and is never able to run again, but is ok Otherwise I think.
@garysmith3913
@garysmith3913 9 ай бұрын
Viren very ill? Hope he is getting better! Please let us know.
@garysmith3913
@garysmith3913 9 ай бұрын
btw, is Lasse's coach Rolf Haikkola still around? Hope so.
@PaulVinonaama
@PaulVinonaama 9 ай бұрын
According to Finnish wikipedia he is (born 1927, so 96 now). Here is an interview of him (in finnish) four years ago. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qbpioMuHltDLp4E.html @@garysmith3913
@JoaoFonsecaAlmeida
@JoaoFonsecaAlmeida 10 ай бұрын
No one mentions Viren’s blood transfusions before the Olympics and the lack of good races and times in the previous 4 years?
@PaulVinonaama
@PaulVinonaama 10 ай бұрын
What the hell? Viren was only 23 in these Olympics and had improved steadily in the previous years (1970: 13.43 and 29.15, 1971: 13.29 and 28.17, 1972: 13.16 and 27.38).
@whahappened8398
@whahappened8398 10 ай бұрын
and no one mentions that Finlands national distance running coach was noneother than 'Arthur Lydiard'. A veritable trail of Olympic medals in his coaching wake.
@jeffreyprather3577
@jeffreyprather3577 9 ай бұрын
They outlawed blood doping after this.
@saminieminen4871
@saminieminen4871 8 күн бұрын
@@whahappened8398, Lydiard was Finland´s distance running coach from the spring 1967 to spring 1969. Not in the seventies.
@whahappened8398
@whahappened8398 8 күн бұрын
@@saminieminen4871 thankyou for taking the time to reply. Soon after Lydiard’s departure the Flying Finns came back with a vengeance. Juha Väätäinen, Lasse Viren and others amassed gold medals and smaller prizes in the Olympics, European Championships and World Cross-Country Championships. Though Lydiard had had little personal contact with any of them, he had inspired an entire generation of Finnish youth and modernized their coaches’ thinking.
@mikkenieminen9603
@mikkenieminen9603 8 ай бұрын
mahtavaa kultaa ja kunniaa tuli
@henkoosterink8744
@henkoosterink8744 10 ай бұрын
Blood doping.....
@stonehenges5722
@stonehenges5722 10 ай бұрын
Those doped couldn't winn🤔
@suomenpresidentti
@suomenpresidentti 9 ай бұрын
Jelousy speaking.
@henkoosterink8744
@henkoosterink8744 9 ай бұрын
@@suomenpresidentti Lasse Viren was a creep.
@brunoengelborghs2505
@brunoengelborghs2505 9 ай бұрын
Miel Puttemans mijne held als kind
@ChristopherCudworth
@ChristopherCudworth 10 ай бұрын
Now the WR is a full minute faster.
@chicanohek
@chicanohek 9 ай бұрын
Last lap in 56 seconds, but his stride didn’t look any different from the slower pace. Wow
@garyhanson638
@garyhanson638 Жыл бұрын
Great commentators. Descriptive, colorful, honest and researched. Missing in these times here in the US.
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