Unfortunately, the sops were loud, but not concert quality. Sop solo is all time best.

As I recall the corps was NOT DQ'd because they marched overaged members. They were DQ'd because the staff KNEW or at least should have known the several members were overage and competed with them anyway. The staff was trying to win by DELIBERATING cheating. That calls for a disqualification.

I’ve always loved the OTL. Seen many a HS marching band use this!

Didn't he go on to perform in The Tonight Show band?

Kilties soloist and Jeff were great,

Wayne Downey (SCV) was also a contender for that title.

@@leonply Wayne was a member of the Long Island Sunrise is first

@Jim Flack: You’re close. Alan Chez from the Garfield Cadets played on David Letterman’s show.

I completely agree with you, the Muchachos ARE legendary.

Why were they disqualified/destroyed?

@@19cowboysfan94 Variations on this theme: They were marching one/some overage member/s, and someone from another corps (often referred to as being from the Cavaliers) dropped a dime to Don Pesceone/the DCI Contest Director, who pulled the supposed member/s aside immediately after Muchachos came off the field after this show and demanded to see ID, whereupon the overage membere/s was/were caught and the corps immediately DQ'd. The scoresheets were destroyed immediately and their score was never known to anybody/the scoresheets were collected after tabulation and taken away and their score is known but has never been announced. East coast stans and insiders with Muchachos (like their drum caption head Dennis DeLucia) believe Hawthorne won prelims and DCI knew it, and supposedly have said the Muchachos' director was not all that popular and the dime was dropped to get back at him, since many corps at the time were using overage members, so the punishment was selective. Many people said the same thing about the Bridgemen two years later, when a similar thing happened to them. The idea that the kids and staff would trade a "meh" title for the legend that surrounds them is a bit silly to me, but again, that was years before I even got into drum corps. It's a fascinating slice of our history though.

@@tomshea8382 WOW! Such high drama in the Drum Corps world! What a shame that the Muchachos corps members were made the sacrificial lambs for such acts of dislike. Thank you for sharing this interesting piece of Corps history. 🙏

@@19cowboysfan94 IDK if any of it is true since I wasn't there, but those are the most enduring details.

wait is there anyway i can get ahold of the soprano soloist sheet music at the begining

Did you really? A titan among men! Wow!

that .2 pts was at the CYO Nationals in Boston. l saw them many times in 75 at the big east coast shows was a member of a local small class A corps. I remember the drum exectution judge at the end of their show at CYO Nats congratulating each of the members of the drum line was amazing show

Absolutely.....

Damian Morkevich Wow! So within 3 years, 2 excellent corps with top notch Delucia drumlines were both disqualified! What a heart break that must have been!😮👎

@@MrSteveblue824 Dennis delucia, didn't stop there, he produced another top Drumline in the Long Island sunrises, I believe there's snare line had a perfect score. They went on to have 7 years with the top drum line.

EAST.....EAST.....EAST!!!!!!!!

Yes too me as well

Amen

70's drum corp was the best. I was at this show. It would have been a hell of a battle between Hawthorne and Santa Clara. Madison won but Vanguard got robbed.

I agree with your comment 100%

I remember when the c o r p s, was first organized. There was a big article in Drum Corps World, stating there were over 100 people, at the very first rehearsal. In my opinion one of the greatest, drum and bugle c o r p s ever.

My high school played Pictures of Spain in the late 70's when I joined the marching band. I still love hearing Pictures by any old corps from around then.

And Pines of Rome just to have it.

@@woodsman335 , Mine too...mine too. HML-The Trojans

@@cmjohnson61 I hear you!!! 'Nuther Trojan here, a couple years behind you ('81).

@@jeffk1482 , Right-on! Those were the days, my friend.

I agree. I've watched the 75 Scouts video, and I've watched a 75 Muchachos video from Hershey, PA, the dsy after their DQ. Hawthorne's show was more dynamic, more musical and overall much more enjoyable. I think they would have won finals.

Not the only corps they destroyed. Blue Rock, Muchachos, Bridgemen (almost) and Crossmen (nearly).

@@ultramannick there were nearly 16,000 drum and bugle corps in the United States during the '50's 60's 70's and early 1980's, and now there are maybe a 100 ?? all because of the dumbass businessmen that founded DCI in 72' and turned into a business instead of an activity to provide for ANY kid. Now ya pay $2,000 - $5,000 to march. I wanna start a corps and setup a trust fund to pay people to march.

@@ultramannick add in 27...:-(

This was delucia? Was he not still matching somewhere in 75?

Christopher Cook Dennis was definitely their instructor. Or there was a terrific actor posing as Mr DeLucia at the many judges critiques we attended that year. (I was on the judging side of the equation.)

In 1991 Dennis wrote for "Cru's" Drumline from Rochester NY. And it was one of our best, and most challenging lines that I had the honor to march with ALL my years w/THEE Crusaders (87 & 88 weren't bad neither). It was a GAS to have the opportunity to play his arrangements. I played #2 Bass that season. Again........A GAS!

LOL

1991 Rochester NY's "CRU" 'Battery' played Mr. Delucia's book (I was @2 Bass...….)///////And IT 'WAS' an HONOR!!!!! OORAAAAHHHH

You hit the nail on the head, I agree 100%.

I agree with you 100%. Form a member of the Floyd Bennett golden eagles from Brooklyn New York, 1960 and 1961, joined the Long Island Sunrise is 1964 through 1968. We no longer have real drum and bugle c o r p s.

And that, boys and girls, is how it was done back in the day. Listen and learn. No silly trumpets.

Stupid thing is I knew overage kats in the BD horn line as they won championship

Just 1 overage member

​@@rickdobson8306 THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. It's a damn shame they got DQ but the winning Corps won with an overage in ranks.😤

Or vice-versa.

... Hey Hinob, I'm confused on your 1st sentence. R u saying D van Doren 1. Taught ? Or 2. Marched '75 Muchachos ?

There is one. It is grainy. But on KZfaq.

Jeff was our horn line instructor for Muchachos the following year. He was not the best "instructor," but sure could play like no 2 marrow!!!

They rocked in 77 when I graduated and bring back great memories Wish Fair Lawn Had a corps back then.

Hmmm. What was the score?

The score was never released and the score sheets were destroyed.

So you don't know the actual fucking score, or if they beat Madison OR SCV, do you? Stop with the baseless conjecture.

Um, it's not conjecture. It's a fact. No one knows the score except the judges.

So you don't fucking know. So shut the fuck up.

Yes it was, exciting, many mood changes and it grabbed you

You are thinking Manchester coming back etc.....they did justify the hard work from the 60's with 72-76 ... 6 great years with 66

Confused you ma ran Cabs alumni? Cabs since 49 would make it 70 years

It's really funny to hear how this arrangement influenced the BD 1984 version.

This arrangement set the bar really high.

Although the horn book had more appeal in 74, 1975 was a class in knock your socks off with power. During winter rehearsals we would rock the Legion Post we practiced in The overall show was much stronger in 75 Better drums, horns and GE. But, our marching sucked

@@Mrtellitlikeitis your, Marching In maneuvering, in my opinion was excellent. Give yourself more credit.

The Soprano Soloist for the Hawthrone Muchachos in 1975 name is Mr. Jeff Kevit!!

Yes he did. But....he did it many many times....and it started becoming a nuisance. "OK, we get it!!"

CC, tell your folks I sing/play '78 Oakland Crusaders once/week in my Brain Walkman.

I agree they should have one I was there also

Suburban/rural enough for the kids to focus on Corps activities almost exclusively. Strong town/veteran/civic support. All the things a NYC Corps were lacking.

Honestly I think the corps could easily have drawn enough top talent to not have needed any overage members ..... but, a different mentality and a different time I guess...

It was an oversight, not at all intentional.

@@teresaoftheandes6279 BS

@@teresaoftheandes6279 THE members who were over 21 knew, right? No oversight. HOWEVER, other corps were doing this too. They should have enforced the rule the next year. Letting the corps know it would 100 percent disqualify anyone breaking it. They made this corps, as they say, Martyrs, that year. It's like politics, It destroys anything it touches.

It was 1975 ...we conducted a band camp for a week in Columbia, SC that year

@@bshaboogie Yes! It was great! That exhibition in Columbia was the first time I had seen drum corps live! Iw as hooked!

Muchachos were screwed thanks to the cavaliers... jk. Mostly, thanks to Jeff Kievet 2:09 is best ever DC solo.

But SCV was also hot on the heels of both Scouts and Muchachos. Unfortunately, the latter did not complete at DCI Midwest in '75.

LoL 😂

21 years old is ambiguous? Muchachos were unfreakingbelievable. Leave it at that. To revise history takes away from the valid point that they were amazing. the whole thing is just sad.

How many other corps were "jilted" or destroyed by DCI? Blue Rock, Muchachos, Crossmen (nearly), Troopers, 27th.....North Star....

@@ultramannick Bridgemen, Guardsmen, Glassmen, Freelancers, All Canadian Corps, World class and below

Yes that was him. Who else could play like that? His chops were like extra points!!!!

I'm afraid you're delusional!!!!

After Muchachos pulled a 19.4 in Drums at CYO, just the week before DCI I am comfortable saying that their prelims score was at least that and maybe as high as 19.5 which is just 2 tics and a .1 higher in the book score. Horns should have been just behind Madison and ahead of SCV. GE was the make or break for this show. Muchachos M&M was at best 4th and more probably 5th. So I see no way they beat Madison but second place in prelims is a strong possibility as SCV was flat for prelims...but showed up big time for finals....it would have been an interesting night had Muchachos not been DQ'd. I am from north Jersey and I was in the box that afternoon with my band director Dr Bernard Baggs ...I saw it from his point of view.

so how did you score muchachos in drums, what place were they in ?

Ron - Rodney (RIP) had told Dennis D. that we got a 19.3 in field drums that day ... is that true to your recollection? I recall that Rodney was busting Dennis' chops that we "weren't as good as we were at the CYO Nationals" .. where we had gotten the 19.5.

We had gotten a 19.5 at the CYO's ...but who's counting ....

Dr Baggs. a legend in his time . Had the honor of being judged by him way back .Usually excellently at that . He scored it as he heard it and knew his craft .

+Bob Millholland or Cavalier's in 1982.