Yasss!!! I was just going to comment that!

And they were in a recession in 82', I was almost thinking he was going to say the rich buy this car just to show all the poor idiots who didn't have recession proof jobs how bad off they really are. Reaganomics kicking into high gear, with the rich getting richer (in a rescission mind you) and the poor just staying poor.

@@marcusdamberger Nothing has changed. The richest people in the world have actually grown their wealth due to the pandemic, while so many people have lost their jobs. The rich will always have the upper hand.

@@jaxandmore440 Always!!

No shit. It's like he was chugging shots and getting ready to say, "here, buy this shitty built symbol of opulence to celebrate all the working class you screwed over you prick."

@@marcusdamberger Bidin is making that look like a cakewalk.

Yeah, pretty strange.

Maybe for a seasoned pro

😂

🤣🤣

As nimble as a school bus with a flat tire

HAH!! Yeah, he should have read the owner's manual first (or took instruction from someone who had!)

My parents had a Seville and several times someone would slam the trunk on the auto pull down, breaking it. My father would get so annoyed no one was allowed to close the trunk but him!

@@richsimon7838 No one paid attention to that trunk pull down. Only person that would remember to be gentle to the trunk on my mom's Sedan DeVille was me and my dad, and he too would be so annoyed when some bag boy etc would slam it fearing it would break it.

I never understood the point of that feature. It didn't make closing the trunk easier; gravity did most of the work for that. If anything, it made it more difficult because you had to do it slowly and gently. What the hell am I missing here?

@@frankburns8871 If you find what you are missing let me know because my grandfather had one on a Cadillac and yes you had to slam it but only so hard. My guess is like many GM things at the time the engineers wanted to do something but the tech was not there yet.

lmaoo

Black Guy Biggest Dream Is To Own A Big Car And A White Women.

That could be a good thing, depending on your dad's personality, and what you were up to!

Lol amazing!

At least you had a two block warning to stop doing what you weren't supposed to be doing!🤣

Which gave you time to hide the stash.

You had to give them a sort of slam, then the motor pulled it tight. You could not just "touch" it like today

@@realazduffman Never had to slam any of the Old cadillacs I had like the guy in the video did

I would imagine if weight isn't a concern you can make it just about silent. This car wasn't huge, had an engine that wasn't particularly heavy, and it was 3650, they must have packed a lot of insulation into the design.

No, today's measurement is at 70mph.

The average Lexus is around 58 decibels at 55

Tires makes a huge difference. The low profile rock hard tires that are fitted to most cars today are no comparison to a tire with a proper sidewall.

@@mvcharisma2968 That affects ride quality more than sound characteristics.

JD was montone for a lot of the early reviews, especially for cars that were "meh" or worse. It started with the later 80s and into the 90s, but he definitely raised an octave or two selling the cars Motorweek was promoting.

@@badbooking3221 Good point, he was kinda monotone in the Paleolithic era. The man's a legend, here's to many more years. But it wasn't just monotone indifference, he seemed to have a decidedly derisive intonation talking about this car, and deservedly so, imho. But maybe I'm just biased based on my experience with an '86 Caddy with that godawful engine, and hearing things that aren't there. I don't think so, though.

Bad Booking Also it was a steaming piece of crap

Frank, what did you have a 4.1 in, a Fleetwood? Even though I'm a Ford guy, I remember that Aluminum Cadillac engine was highly respected, but it was always installed in cars that were still too big. In a Buick Regal A-body you probably would have liked the performance.

It's basically a product of its time. It's amazing this is now going on a 40-year-old car, and that's something you'd have to consider. It appealed to traditional Cadillac buyers. As a kid, I do remember this car making a big splash. LOL, I am not surprised the engine was a dog at the nadir of USA car performance due to a combination of fuel economy and air quality regulations. In retrospect, I'd be more enthusiastic about the Seville if it was rear-wheel drive, but of course that would drop performance even more! The fake wood was typical of American cars even in that price class. Off hand, I think you'd have to go back to the 1960's to get an American luxury car with genuine wood. And that was veneer! Not exactly Jaguar or Rolls-Royce dashboards.

I recently purchased a restored 83 Seville--about 80% restored. I only use it on Nantucket Island. The car is awesome and my 37 yr old daughter, not a car person, loves going on rides we me.

it looks like shit.

No, it wouldn't

Imo, the 76-79 Sevilles were better.

Build quality was hit or miss -- and I'm convinced that Motorweek back then got review cars at the end of their review cycle. Also if you bought this car, the dealer was fixing any issues before you'd take delivery - same as today. The Japanese and Germans did have better build quality than the lazy American union workers, but that started to change when car makers started building cars in the south where the workers aren't so inherently lazy.

You are welcome.

My Dad had a 1987 Sedan De Ville. As far as I recall it was a good car. We put over 200,000 miles on it which was good for the day. Once my Dad got an Acura it was all over. We had all Japanese cars after that

You're awesome. Keep on pushing.

Why, may I ask, at 99 do you own two new cars and a fifteen year old Malibu?

I want to be buying cars at 99 and commenting on KZfaq videos too. Good for you, Mr. Hahn.

I thought he was kissing

@@crouchb15 same

5:19 he was checking the paint quality.

He was saying “would ya just look at that!? Sometimes you just gotta look at it!”

That's Craig Singhaus, if you are curious.

I agree brotha.

Interesting comment. Honestly, I like it from the perspective of first seeing them as a 9 year old in 1980. The original certainly received lots of accolades for its size and styling, but I was too young to be reading car magazines in 1975. I think what made its styling seem common was that GM started using this design language on cars like the 1980 Cutlass four door, Buick Regal sedan, '78 Malibu, thus making it that much less special. That being said, my perception is that the first generation Seville is a very well-built, durable vehicle because I still see the occasional example on the road or for sale in classifieds. These examples that I see are not trailer-queen condition, but in remarkable shape for a 45-plus-year-old car. Furthermore, the performance hasn't been strangled like the second generation models, and it has the weight balance of rear-wheel drive.

Yeah late 70s and 80s Cadillac were disturbingly ugly

@@roddydykes7053 I disagree

You and I are on the same page.

And I would expect real wood on the dash for the money, along with decent build quality

Yes, generally speaking cars have gotten cheaper over time. In 1993 a Camry was $20,000. Today you can still get a Corolla, a very similar (better) car for $20,000.

@@sutherlandA1 So true! However, Detroit was having a heck of a time during that era... I worked in the industry from the late-'70's through to the early-'90's. American automobile manufacturers went from utilizing engineers who were trained in the 1950's-'60's for the express purpose of engineering massive, floating personal luxury 'barges' then, *BOOM* literally everything changed! These very same antiquated engineers, who had no clue how to build smaller, higher-quality cars, were asked to do just that. Then, good ole 'Uncle Sam', the U.S. Govt. placed nearly impossible demands upon them. Also, the invasion of very well built econobox Japanese automobiles, and of course the Germans, who almost always had a high build quality, were creating less austere, less Teutonic, and ever more American-friendly cars. Those factors, coupled with unions and upper-management, both of which allowed an unnecessary hostility between one another; hostility which resulted in lower build quality and really hideous looking cars. It took Detroit a while to figure it all out... But, in time, IMO they succeeded! God Bless, my Comment Section friend. 😊

And, just think in 1982 you could finance it for a low, low 15-16% APR! lol

@@sutherlandA1 Americans love fake wood. I have seen old fake wood on cars before where you can see the dot pattern for the wood grain when they manufactured it. Always thought that was funny.

For the era they really were the best GM and America could offer. I loved my Father's 83 Coupe Deville. It was a gorgeous car that still looks good today. Back than if you drove a new Cadillac, or a Cadillac in general you made it.

Me too.

Bustleback Caddy

Awwww

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@@bondedstars hell, the 1983 Toyota 4A-GE had 128 HP in JP spec, and it was only a 1.6 4 cylinder ! The later supercharged models made 140 HP

4 years later the Fiero 2.8L V6 would be 140 HP in a much lighter car...

Thing is they made a 170hp version with multiport fuel injection a few years later for the Allante. That would have felt "adequate" for the day in a heavier Seville or Deville. Not fast, but you could at least pass that spiky haired punk in a rusty Chevette with no problem.

I'm hoping the torque numbers were higher. 82 was still pretty dark for American automakers when it came to performance.

The mercedes 380sl made 155 hp and cost 2 times more

It was MEANT to emulate old style Rolls Royce sedans. How successful it was is in the eye of the beholder. Lol

I thought it looked like your mom too

Terry Orcutt squint really hard ...and forget to put on glasses might help?

It's a love it or hate it polarizing design. It certainly is different compared to many cars of that era. Since it was a sales success, I guess all that mattered (certainly for GM) is that enough wealthy people voted with their money. That being said, that styling feature was abandoned for the replacement Seville.

Its a georgous car with a horrible engine. I love this car even though its a mechanicle nightmare. People always ask about it when im out and about. This car will be a future classic and will be worth alot since most of them were sent to the scrap yard.

@Steve Silvas : I guess you didn't learn much in getting your certification. These engines were Aluminum block with Iron Heads and Iron wet sleeves for cylinders. The problem was different rates of heat expansion of 2 different metals in contact with each other would tear the headgaskets and cause internal coolant leaks. Cadillac tried to remedy this problem by mandating the use of stopleak in the cooling system, but the results were uneven to say the least.

They never learned from their mistakes after the 4.1 the NorthStar came along and really killed Cadillac, they were almost impossible to get to 80k miles without warping the heads from overheating.

Bucky Rodgerdodger to be fair, even Toyota uses iron blocks/Al heads for their truck motors. But they knew how to bond the two...

@@willbill808 : No Toyota never attempted such a design. Iron heads atop an Aluminum block with Cast Iron cylinders was never attempted by Toyota. Every automaker has had successful results with Aluminum heads on an Iron Block. The first GM Vortec V8's and Corvette LT1's were made that way. Cadillac HT engine design seems inspired from Chevy's Vega 2300 engine which was flawed.

Agreed the 4.5 and 4.9 were amazing engines.

We collect them now for cheap. They're everywhere, check the Cadillac sales forums online.

I liked the gen before better. Kinda boxy, squarish. Never liked this back

Rudolph Guarnacci I always felt like the first gen looked like a hodgepodge of different cars, as if it were a Cadillac Chevrolet Buick Oldsmobile Seville. Though the 2nd gen is kinda funny looking I find it a bit more to my taste.

@@e.f.clarke2041 Yes, that's true.

Same.

lmaoo😂😂😂😭 yeah the guys wearing a chauffeur uniform, he should be wearing a mechanics uniform lmao

Yes I have the same version. It saved me a lot more money in gasoline at one sixty four scale

glory days of unionized autoworkers making inflation adjustment amount of 60k/year for plugging in lightbulbs on the assembly line.

@Onion Head Someone whom I used to call a friend works for Ford and apparently he doesn't give a shit about doing a great job, either, because he knows he can't get fired.

Nope - average new car price in 1982 = $9,370. Average new car price today = $38,000. It's more like $109,000 in today's money. Which is on par with today's top-line Cadillac CT6 V8.

Yes! Love the early 80s reviews!

Maybe your getting close in age to the demographic this car was meant to appeal to back in '82?

It’s a Caddy. What u expect? They had that in the 70s. The European cars didn’t offer that. As a matter of fact the car mags used to ding Cadillac for that and that they prefer analogs. Wow, right 😂

Had no idea that was called a "bustle trunk."

Goes to show you the quality control that General Motors allow that thing to roll off the assembly line

@@paystyles5429 My 83 Seville doesn't have those gaps.

So here's a question, if you didn't notice this gap at the dealer and the next day after you bought it, and showed it to the dealer, would they take it back or fix the gap? The way the door was hung, I assume that is why this gap is so huge? I assume it's not because the metal stamping is so imprecise on a new model when they weld the parts together..

thats GM for you and their new cars are no different lol

My mother had a Caddy with that HT4100 engine. It was a total hunk of junk and ended up blowing a head gasket and destroying itself with about 80,000 miles. Beautiful car, but it was made for the junkyard.

Most cars were not well built back then. Only German cars were well built.

@@basshead. Its sad because a Cadillac from 20 years earlier was much better built, better materials inside(ie real wood, temp and oil pressure gauges), and was significantly faster.

There's a good chance it's a pre production car.

basshead 😊Japanese cars were better than German.

+Mel Rose Not in 1982

totally agree !!!

Estee' Lauder had an air conditioner sticking out of a window of her Palm Beach home. The Kennedy home In Palm Beach didn't get air conditioning until a few years ago.

The test car they did was twenty seven k that's even crazier

My mechanic would always be amazed that the engine was still running .

You're nuts.

me too, I was in love with that car back then!

I was born in '77 and used to love these cars as a kid, maybe in part because they looked like nothing else on the road and seemed really classy.

I was 8 years old in 1982, and I remember seeing these bustle backs rolling around town. Absolutely loved them.

It has a cyber trunk.

especially. 5:10 lol. i expect nothing less frm GM

I think cars were just trashier back then.

Were you aware of the state of the US economy in 1982?

@@theedmee Of course I was aware; I lived through it. Totally irrelevant to the tone of the segment.

My jaw dropped when he said $27k in 1982 dollars. These were not quality vehicles.

​​@scdevon Rolls royce was nice but it wasn't a quality vehicle it always ended up in the shop same as jaguar😂

Even within GM, an Olds 98 Regency or Buick Electra 225 would've been just as luxurious and mechanically far superior for much less money.

Chrysler New Yorker with better fit and finish? That's an oxymoron. Those K cars were absolutely atrocious. Seat frame cracking, turbos burning up, overheating, moonroof leakage, body panels popping of the clips. Chrysler had about as much dedication to quality as GM...zero.