1983 Chevrolet Citation X-11 | Retro Review

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10 ай бұрын

Edgy hatchbacks were a GM staple all through the 80's. Here's a look at an early muscular offering, the Citation X-11
Show 212 | Original Airdate 02-01-1983
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@tkewrestler2662
@tkewrestler2662 10 ай бұрын
I love the line, “just a hint of lockup and axle swing.”
@Cheezwizzz
@Cheezwizzz 10 ай бұрын
And throwing a belt, no big deal 😅
@tkewrestler2662
@tkewrestler2662 10 ай бұрын
@@Cheezwizzz, I know I laughed at that one too. The early 80’s were not a good time for the General.
@NEO_RedPill_2024
@NEO_RedPill_2024 10 ай бұрын
If that was a hint I hate to see the full on version 😅
@chrisbrowder9184
@chrisbrowder9184 10 ай бұрын
@@Cheezwizzz ..but hey "access to the oil filter was much better" LOL!!!
@Cheezwizzz
@Cheezwizzz 10 ай бұрын
@@chrisbrowder9184 It’s the little things that count 😂
@Crispychicken4u
@Crispychicken4u 10 ай бұрын
I think Rodney Dangerfield’s joke applies here “ my car is always on a lift. It’s got more miles vertically than horizontally! You- know “😅
@Greatdome99
@Greatdome99 10 ай бұрын
And "I bought the perfect second car--a tow truck"
@johnsimun6533
@johnsimun6533 10 ай бұрын
Sounds like a great second car for me. What color truck, would go with a ‘06 Impala SS? She’s White with the Oreo guts. Non chrome wheels, only polished.
@SoSorry4UrLoss
@SoSorry4UrLoss 10 ай бұрын
These older episodes were filmed at the very end of Interstate 70 in Baltimore, which is now a Park & Ride. I grew up right behind there.
@agy234
@agy234 8 ай бұрын
It was still under construction then. I don’t remember which episode they mentioned that, possibly the pilot?
@natureboy1313
@natureboy1313 8 ай бұрын
Cool info
@vwestlife
@vwestlife 10 ай бұрын
The X-Car really wasn't bad once GM fixed its major design flaws. But they never seemed to figure out that you don't get a second chance to make a good first impression.
@ercsan
@ercsan 10 ай бұрын
There was also competition that was just better looking and more modern by that time, such as the A body cars ( Celebrity and Pontiac 6000) and the Chrysler Lebaron GTS, even though you had to spend a little more. The Camry and Accord also had gotten larger and cemented their reputation for reliability by 1984-1985
@GeeEm1313
@GeeEm1313 10 ай бұрын
My dad had a Citation and a Citation II. The Citation II actually lasted until 1995, when my mom bought a new Taurus and my dad ended up driving her old one.
@CM-cw8fe
@CM-cw8fe 10 ай бұрын
I cried when I realized this is from 40 years ago
@JohnEvans-ct6mz
@JohnEvans-ct6mz 9 ай бұрын
Funny thing is, the GM X and A bodies are structurally identical. The A body is just a revised X with a longer wheelbase. If they had allowed the X to continue, it would have been just as good as an A. However, true to GM form, they finally get something right then they drop it.
@ercsan
@ercsan 9 ай бұрын
@@JohnEvans-ct6mz But by the time the x bodies were perfected, the N bodies ( Grand Am, Skylark, Calais- and later Corsica/ Beretta) were already out and GM needed warm bodies to purchase those in order to cover the development costs. Keeping the X Cars available would have eaten into the N body sales. It’s ridiculous to see GM had so many passenger car models back then.
@jacobfleming6616
@jacobfleming6616 10 ай бұрын
I can’t believe it threw a belt on a press test
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 10 ай бұрын
It was only for the emissions air pump, which I would rip off anyway for better performance!
@scdevon
@scdevon 9 ай бұрын
I can definitely believe it. This show acted as if there were only slight differences in quality between these POS domestic cars during the dark ages and Japanese vehicles.
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
Reliability was NOT among the qualities of US cars in those days!
@itsabigchungus
@itsabigchungus 4 ай бұрын
​@@TheOzthewizit still isn't 😂
@TraveladvRajanSRai
@TraveladvRajanSRai 2 ай бұрын
@@scdevon maybe some the small ones rest are solid
@Rampant_Colt
@Rampant_Colt 10 ай бұрын
I can already see rust and corrosion forming in the opening shot of that duded-up Citation
@2525alb
@2525alb 10 ай бұрын
Where I don't see it
@Rampant_Colt
@Rampant_Colt 10 ай бұрын
@@2525alb I'm being facetious
@MPMeterman
@MPMeterman 10 ай бұрын
@@Rampant_Colt- be careful using big words 😂
@kevinpatrickmacnutt
@kevinpatrickmacnutt 10 ай бұрын
My father had a 1981 X-11 and it was rusting out (in the middle of the drivers door?!?) by 1983. We had it repainted in 1984.
@Frank71
@Frank71 10 ай бұрын
Those were terrible cars. America couldn't make a good small car if the life of an industry depended on it.
@zzoinks
@zzoinks 10 ай бұрын
I like how we can see a lot of 60s and 70s cars driving in the background
@rhemeon
@rhemeon 9 ай бұрын
My father had the Pontiac version of this. Now he always babied his cars.( I can still remember him saying don't slam the door every time I got out) Anyway one Christmas he got me a control line plane. He had the first go to show me how to do it. He didn't even make a full circle when wham!!, no more plane and a big dent in the B piller. He gathered up the pieces and not a word was spoken on the way home. RIP old timer and thanks for the memories. G.H
@jameswillard1
@jameswillard1 8 ай бұрын
Sorry for your loss
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
I feel the SAME about people slamming car doors (as though the door will close MORE tightly, the harder you slam it). If someone SLAMMED my car door, they would WALK the next time!
@Red-rl1xx
@Red-rl1xx Ай бұрын
We had a couple of those control line planes! However, we flew them out in the front yard away from our cars. They were fun!
@user-qr2vj6zc6s
@user-qr2vj6zc6s 9 ай бұрын
Can you imagine a time when an air pump pulley falls off and a car review treats it like a minor thing.
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
On an AMERICAN BUILT car? SNAFU (situation normal, all F**KED UP)!
@epcothorizons9316
@epcothorizons9316 9 ай бұрын
It threw a belt. But Hey! You can get to the oil filter... GM quality of the 80s. Top notch!
@markd3130
@markd3130 10 ай бұрын
I had a V6 81 Citation as a 1st car. The premature brake lockup was a “fun” introduction to driving as a 16 year old.
@rahsaanthomas7030
@rahsaanthomas7030 8 ай бұрын
It was my first car, too. I had fun, picking up girls, driving to wherever I felt like going. I junked it 2 years later..
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
Neither were their 4-speed transmissions! The one in my '80 V6 "X"-11 BROKE at 18mo and 8000miles. This happened just BEFORE the recall for "major reliablity problems". I did manage to get the transmission rebuilt (in THOSE days, they still repaired instead of replacing things) at NO CHARGE as a "goodwill adjustment" by GM! LOL Btw, the ONLY publication that warned consumers of the MAJOR TRANSMISSION problem was "Consumer Reports" for you haters of CR!!
@JetTech1966
@JetTech1966 10 ай бұрын
I was lucky enough to own a 1985 X-11. I absolutely loved that car. It was quite fast for the days back then and handled amazingly. Unfortunately I got T-boned. They fixed it but it was never right again so I traded it in. But it was an amazing car for it's time. Bright red...damn it was a sexy car for its day!
@keithmurphy2740
@keithmurphy2740 10 ай бұрын
@ 3:45 "As are the checkpoints for all the bodily fluids" 😂
@josefstout2194
@josefstout2194 9 ай бұрын
Snigger !!😂
@ce9345
@ce9345 10 ай бұрын
The best yr for the X11 was 1985. It finally got horizontal hvac and radio controls, and the X11 got a 2.8 MFI V6.
@geekatron8
@geekatron8 10 ай бұрын
All 135 horsepower of it.
@milfordcivic6755
@milfordcivic6755 10 ай бұрын
It makes you wonder why GM even bothered making those changes at all in the last year of production.
@MPMeterman
@MPMeterman 10 ай бұрын
@@milfordcivic6755- GM being GM.
@bghoody5665
@bghoody5665 10 ай бұрын
@@MPMeterman Reminds me of the Fiero - the last year it finally got the suspension Pontiac always wanted and a better engine only for it to be discontinued. Like you said, GM being GM.
@TwentyOneThirty
@TwentyOneThirty 10 ай бұрын
@@geekatron8135 hp on a relatively light weight vehicle made for good times. I had a 1983 Camaro Z 28 with 160 hp and traded it for the 1985 X11. My X11 was just as fast as my Camaro and kept it for 15 years relatively trouble free. The downside was the roof started to rust around year 7 and by the 10 year mark, I literally had a two-tone paint job on my car ( brown/rust on top and black on bottom).
@kevinmcmahon7182
@kevinmcmahon7182 10 ай бұрын
Just a hint of rear wheel lock up lmao
@josephwhiskeybeale
@josephwhiskeybeale 10 ай бұрын
I remember these all being broken down and headed to the junkyards back in the late 80’s. Then completely gone and forgotten by the 90’s
@mph5896
@mph5896 10 ай бұрын
I remember strolls through the junk yard in the mid 90’s. 80’s garbage as far as the eye could see 😂
@user-wt1nk6sr8h
@user-wt1nk6sr8h 5 ай бұрын
Except by me lol was my first car in 1998 ........
@20DYNAMITE06
@20DYNAMITE06 8 ай бұрын
With opinion pieces like this, it’s amazing to me that Motor Week was ever taken seriously
@HowardJrFord
@HowardJrFord 9 ай бұрын
My mom had an 83 X11 , and that hint of lockup of the left rear tire was enough to have you facing oncoming traffic on rainy or snowy surfaces if you weren't careful .
@kevinbarry71
@kevinbarry71 10 ай бұрын
Of course by this time General Motors had managed to squander a lot of goodwill. And, 1983 was the first year for the Toyota Camry.
@milfordcivic6755
@milfordcivic6755 10 ай бұрын
The 2nd gen 1982 Honda Accord also swayed a lot of people away from the junk the big 3 were making back then.
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
There was also the Honda Accord, built as precisely as a "Swiss Watch". I remember how EFFORTLESSLY the doors would close, they would latch by LITERALLY blowing on them!
@9chilidog
@9chilidog 4 ай бұрын
@@TheOzthewizwe were a Chrysler family, but '80 trash reliability made us turn our backs. By 87 my aunt got an accord, my mom got a Toyota Tercel and dad got a Sentra.
@Tool0GT92
@Tool0GT92 10 ай бұрын
Would never see ease of maintenance highlights in a modern car video.
@pacoseventeen
@pacoseventeen 10 ай бұрын
I wish it would come back, I love seeing it in these old school videos
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
Changing the oil filter in the 4-cyl (iron duke), (not V6) engine was a nightmare! The iron duke was always used in a "longitudinal" arrangement, in the "X" bodies GM simply roatated the engine 90deg, with the filter butting up to the subframe, making it almost impossible to change the filter!
@3wheelmannc860
@3wheelmannc860 10 ай бұрын
I had an X-11 back in the day. Not a GM fan, but this was a solid offering back then. Dependable, sporty (for the time), very good ride quality and roomy. The only thing I did not like was the vertically placed stereo...almost impossible to upgrade.
@kevinpatrickmacnutt
@kevinpatrickmacnutt 10 ай бұрын
I would question dependable. We had one and I remember a lot of loaner cars when we had it.
@floridaroadways
@floridaroadways 10 ай бұрын
I like the stereo
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
@@kevinpatrickmacnutt The quality (reliability) was hit and miss. You had to make sure that it was built in the MIDDLE of the week. The Lordstown plant was running THREE SHIFTS trying to meet demand. What could possibly go wrong?
@richkuban2027
@richkuban2027 10 ай бұрын
Got a great deal on one a Boston area dealer had on the lot for a year because it didn’t have air conditioning. Enjoyed it while we had it. It was fun compared to the other X bodies so common at the time. Didn’t have it long though, it was the only car ever stolen from us.
@asbel65
@asbel65 10 ай бұрын
SOMEBODY STOLE THAT CAR!!!!!
@TheDanno210
@TheDanno210 9 ай бұрын
Did they bring it back?
@richkuban2027
@richkuban2027 9 ай бұрын
Never saw it again….
@landonbenford8369
@landonbenford8369 8 ай бұрын
@@richkuban2027 What did the insurance give y'all for it??
@lonestar8312
@lonestar8312 10 ай бұрын
my dad had one back then and I remember him being so disappointed in this car because it only got to 80,000 miles and the engine went. He bought it in 83 and he junked it in 1990.
@JohnEvans-ct6mz
@JohnEvans-ct6mz 10 ай бұрын
You can tell this was before GM figured out how to put an inertia lock on the passenger seat back for coupes. The passenger front seat back almost hits the dash on the panic stop.😂
@tomjanowski8584
@tomjanowski8584 10 ай бұрын
My family had one. It lived 5 years before going up in flames. But before it burned, it had the entire steering system replaced at 6 months old, the transmission was replaced twice, the engine was replaced and the radiator sprung a million tiny holes.
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
Typical for a SMALL AMERICAN car!
@glennschiffer1742
@glennschiffer1742 5 ай бұрын
just bad luck 🤞
@tomjanowski8584
@tomjanowski8584 5 ай бұрын
@@glennschiffer1742 just a piece of junk
@edwardbianchi192
@edwardbianchi192 10 ай бұрын
Always liked the look. Hard to believe what was acceptable back then.
@glennschiffer1742
@glennschiffer1742 5 ай бұрын
i remember liking the mags
@danielsweeney6742
@danielsweeney6742 10 ай бұрын
My aunt owned a Citation it rotted out in 5 years. Hood front fenders rear quarters and frame. Well unibody.
@jimiburns6891
@jimiburns6891 9 ай бұрын
It’s 2023, and for some reason, that car design still looks cool
@thomasofone
@thomasofone 10 ай бұрын
I loved my 81 Citation. Plenty of room for me and my girl in back with the seats down. Homemada homemada
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye 10 ай бұрын
Quirky. The Japanese compacts forced US manufacturers into venturing in compact designs that was quirky. Good old late 70's early 80's. :)
@EmoDKTsuchiya
@EmoDKTsuchiya 10 ай бұрын
50-70s Japan copies America 80s-x America copies Japan
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
MORE IMPORTANT.....the Japanese FORCED American auto makers into making SOMEWHAT quality cars!
@MixingGBP
@MixingGBP 10 ай бұрын
I took driver's Ed in high school in one of these...man, good times!
@dave23024
@dave23024 10 ай бұрын
I had a 1984 Pontiac Phoenix with the 2.8L engine and I rebuilt it with an X-11 camshaft.
@rabit818
@rabit818 10 ай бұрын
If the Citation came out in the age of internet it will not stand a chance due to it’s countless problems. GM gets points for good styling for its time The scarf lol
@fernandorocha8459
@fernandorocha8459 10 ай бұрын
The Citation is nice car
@thomaspierce9458
@thomaspierce9458 9 ай бұрын
Learn when to use it's, which is "it is", vs. the possessive its. Lol...
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
@@thomaspierce9458 Thanks for pointing that out. I am also guilty of that grammar error!
@braddietzmusic2429
@braddietzmusic2429 10 ай бұрын
I see an X-11, and I always smile.
@ercsan
@ercsan 10 ай бұрын
My dad made the mistake of buying a dark blue Citation hatchback coupe with the Iron Duke way back in 1980. Had issues with the premature locking brakes the first year of ownership. And it was the second time he made the error of buying a "Motortrend Car of the Year" with the previous mistake a Gold Plymouth Volare sedan with the 318 back in 76. That's why its never a good idea to buy a new car in the first model design year (except if it is a Honda or Toyota). Best experiences with reliable cars was a 77 VW Rabbit (from which he traded his 76 Volare to) and a 1982 Mazda GLC (from which he traded the Citation a couple years later). Still dont know how you would deal with replacing that vertical radio setup on the early X Cars. What was GM thinking?
@tomjanowski8584
@tomjanowski8584 10 ай бұрын
My Dad replaced a 1977 Volare station wagon with a Citation.
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 10 ай бұрын
As I remember "Motor Trend" said, "the fit and finish of the X-bodies was the finest on the planet". After all the complaints had been registered, Motor Trend was asked why they would make such an UN-RELIABLE car "The Car of The Year". They answered "Well we can't PREDICT how reliable the car will be"! Then why the F**K would you tell the people that this is the BEST thing since sliced bread and to hurry down to the dealer to buy one!
@ercsan
@ercsan 10 ай бұрын
If the Motortrend Car of the Year was based on reliability only, Toyota would have won every year for the last 45 years.
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
You forgot to mention ANOTHER "fine" MT car of the year...........the PACER! As far as that vertical radio, all you needed was a vertically oriented face plate, the head unit was not the problem.
@steveboyd3377
@steveboyd3377 10 ай бұрын
Nothing says reliability like throwing a belt on the test drive.
@williamdavis4809
@williamdavis4809 10 ай бұрын
Word
@carlasghost656
@carlasghost656 10 ай бұрын
Their Cutlass review from the same era, trim pieces literally fell off. Post malaise GM coasted way too long on reputation and fleet sales. Chrysler finally got it together and was moving forward. (Though in finest Chrysler tradition screwed it up.) Ford had a few missteps (Merkur), but had the Taurus and was moving nicely towards the 90's. But GM couldn't get out of their own way. Their older stuff was, just old. And their newer attempts came with a list of recalls longer than the owner's manual. I know pointing out the problems with GM is redundant and has been done to death. But the only thing that kept them going was the momentum of their size and "Too big to fail" status.
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 10 ай бұрын
That was a GOOD thing! Would save you the trouble of having to disable the air pump for BETTER performance!
@sponk2112
@sponk2112 10 ай бұрын
"...halts were confidence building.." while the thing is skidding crazily sideways, nearly taking out the poor bundled-up lady with her measuring wheel.
@tonymickens8803
@tonymickens8803 10 ай бұрын
Gene Margolis Chevy here in Michigan had a Turbo Charged Special Order one back in the day that was a BEAST!
@VcArena
@VcArena 10 ай бұрын
Got any info on it?
@tonymickens8803
@tonymickens8803 10 ай бұрын
I WISH! @@VcArena
@eternal1blue
@eternal1blue 10 ай бұрын
Huh
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
It MUST have been a "special order" vehicle. I never heard of a TURBO version. Was it the 4 or V6?
@tonymickens8803
@tonymickens8803 8 ай бұрын
It was a 3.8 V6 and it Screamed!@@TheOzthewiz
@Tennesseestorm76
@Tennesseestorm76 Ай бұрын
My parents had a '81 Olds Omega Brougham they purchased in 1987. I was only 11, but remember the car well. I remember the bottom of the doors were rusted on the backside, the previous owner had covered it in silicone and painted over it... it was a southern car too. I remember the transmission went out before it hit 75k miles and the carburetor had constant issues. It had the 2.8L V6.
@MrFcwright
@MrFcwright 6 ай бұрын
Love these videos Never forget my 1977 Chevy Chevette
@jackjohnson7396
@jackjohnson7396 10 ай бұрын
I drove one for a couple of years in the nineties. Bought it cheap had no serious issues either. Sold it to a kid long ago.
@OLDS98
@OLDS98 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for posting another GM review.
@pjcornell9691
@pjcornell9691 10 ай бұрын
How about a Pontiac 6000 STE road test?
@MPMeterman
@MPMeterman 10 ай бұрын
Someone pirated and uploaded an 85 STE test from one of the monthly marathon streams if you’re interested.
@garretlewis4103
@garretlewis4103 10 ай бұрын
When I was a young man, I wanted a Citation X11.
@MH-so9oz
@MH-so9oz 10 ай бұрын
I was also young back then so I have to ask,,, with Camaro and Mustangs available, why would you want this pos?
@garretlewis4103
@garretlewis4103 10 ай бұрын
@@MH-so9oz Oh I wanted those. I just didn't think I could afford it considering insurance, etc. Needless to say, I didn't get a X-11, Mustang, or Camaro when I was young (just out of high school). I did get a Mustang later in life.
@pjcornell9691
@pjcornell9691 10 ай бұрын
Great video!
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye 10 ай бұрын
Whats wong with YT, thymbs up for the vid aren't registering. :/
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye 10 ай бұрын
...2 hours later...it's fixed now, seems like there was a problem the like number would count down from what it was down to zero and show zero no matter what thenumber of likes was, not only on this channel.
@ricardocorbie6803
@ricardocorbie6803 10 ай бұрын
I loved this little car,, back in the day I remember wanting ☝🏿 one!! Even tho I am not a Chevy guy, I would own one of these today!!❤️
@gera117
@gera117 10 ай бұрын
Where’s the Cavalier Z24? I want a Cavalier Z24 retro review hehe
@padistedor
@padistedor 10 ай бұрын
At least the 80s had good music.
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 10 ай бұрын
That's YOUR opinion. And you know what "they" say about opinions...........they are like arseholes, everybody has one!
@dohc1067
@dohc1067 10 ай бұрын
Looking back at the Citation, Gm has definitely come a long way and it's no wonder the imported competition caught up.
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
You have that BACKWARDS. GM caught up (?) to the imported competition!
@msk3905
@msk3905 9 ай бұрын
Good god i remember these junk boxes and so happy we moved on from those dark days of automobile design.
@Greatdome99
@Greatdome99 10 ай бұрын
The Achilles Heel of this car was that dreadful 2.8 liter V6. I had one for 7 years and the valve covers never stopped leaking oil. And then there was the blown head gasket and leaking timing chain/water pump cover on the replacement engine which drained all the coolant. Several friends had the same fate. I never bought another GM car again.
@davidmckibbin4440
@davidmckibbin4440 9 ай бұрын
the last year i bought a new gm car was 1982. a S10 pickup V6 5 speed, what a piece of shit
@pmafterdark
@pmafterdark 10 ай бұрын
Love these oldies. 😄
@davidpowell3347
@davidpowell3347 10 ай бұрын
This thing ran much better than the first version Chevrolet Citations but still had too many things going wrong with it,I believe still came with some suspension bolts loose. The 135 horsepower rating was probably much understated as compared to how cars are rated today.
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 10 ай бұрын
The X-11 that I ordered came with an "extra" rear hub flange bolt that was rolling around INSIDE the rear brake drum. I heard a LOUD snapping sound coming from the rear when I went over a large bump. Thought it was a loose spring mount until one day going down my alley at slow speed, I heard a continuous rattling noise. Decided to pull the rear wheel and drum. Found a bolt that had been "floating" around inside the drum and had been catching on the metal part of the brake shoe. If I hadn't found this extra bolt and I was clipping along at 70mph, it could have locked up that one wheel and made for a VERY BAD DAY!
@TralfazConstruction
@TralfazConstruction 8 ай бұрын
I had the redwood metallic '82 X-11. It was peppy and handled great taking corners exceptionally well. Dry, clean corners were fun.
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
I had an "X -11" V6 in 1980. Had test reviews from Car and Driver stating 0-60 in 9.2sec. After my car arrived, it was NOWHERE near that fast. Consumer Reports tested a V6 X-11, 4-speed, their 0-60 was 12.3sec, WTF! It turns that the X-11 that Car and Driver test was a factory supplied "press" car, meaning it was "messaged" i.e. had a "blue printed" engine. The one Consumer Reports had was a STOCK V6 bought off a dealers' lot. This why I buy "car" magazines for entertaining reading only, not for factual information!
@KartKing4ever
@KartKing4ever 10 ай бұрын
Wow, yeah, I didn't even notice that rear end lock up.
@thebionicbassplayer
@thebionicbassplayer 9 ай бұрын
I drove a Citation in 1985, for a courier service. The brakes had a propensity to lock up...a death trap.
@DavidPerez-cu2zo
@DavidPerez-cu2zo 4 ай бұрын
Ahh man that was my 1st car, I loved it man. Also my 1at accident, ahh man my insurance went through the roof lol. Fitting a big engine sideways in a compact car. That little car had some power man. Good memories lol
@JerryJ26
@JerryJ26 8 ай бұрын
I owned a 1980 model bought in 1984, owned it for 5 years and never had any problems.
@BaronvonBlutwurst
@BaronvonBlutwurst 7 ай бұрын
had one..loved it.
@landonbenford8369
@landonbenford8369 8 ай бұрын
"Turn the wheels into the direction of the skid!!" said my Driver's Ed instructors!😎
@Kenneth-fu3js
@Kenneth-fu3js 7 ай бұрын
My Cousin and I were HOOKED on this show from day 1!!! We would be on the phone with each other as we watched it and go back and forth on the featured vehicle 😎🤣
@jefferypease3920
@jefferypease3920 9 ай бұрын
My sister had a 1980 Chevy citation not the X11 just the standard citation with 2.5 L 4 banger. It was OK car but I was always working on it for her.😂
@monroetoolman
@monroetoolman 10 ай бұрын
So a brand new one they had prepped to go to the automotive press and the pulley fell off... And Motor Week is still like "build quality is way up!" lol We take for granted how good cars are today. Dealers having to fix brand new cars from the factory was definitely a GM thing back in the 80`s.
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
All AMERICAN manufacturers did that "back in the day" unlike Toyota. If a Toyota had defects, the car would be sent back through the line AGAIN to correct those defects! In the US, if a car didn't start during loading, it would be HAND PUSHED onto the carrier. This was known as "goodies for the dealer"!
@connermt74
@connermt74 10 ай бұрын
First car was a 81 manual citation. Red with black interior, front bench and no AC. Had to replace the clutch and when I sold it needed a front axle boot replaced and reseated as I tore it when hitting a curb or pot hole or something (like I said was my first car)
@roddydykes7053
@roddydykes7053 10 ай бұрын
Don’t know if I’ve ever seen one of these, if I did I must’ve mistaken it for a Chevette
@landyachtfan79
@landyachtfan79 10 ай бұрын
Honestly, the GM X-cars will always be one of those car lines that REALLY frustrates me. They had all of the ingredients to be the best cars ever built, & that is exactly what they could & should have been. Ultimately, I feel that the X-cars' undoing was not really the cars THEMSELVES, but the company who built them, late-'70's/early '80's GM. As was the case with Ford & Chrysler, they became too focused on beating the European & Japanese competition at their own game & not focused ENOUGH on providing the American car-buying public with viable alternatives to the imports. As a result, quality & reliability were allowed to fall by the wayside.
@teds7379
@teds7379 10 ай бұрын
It's kind of become a GM hallmark: doing 90% of a great job then crapping out on the final 10% to ensure the car feels cheap and doesn't work well.
@landyachtfan79
@landyachtfan79 10 ай бұрын
As is finally getting the car right, & then dropping it, @@teds7379. They finally got the X's right for the 1985 model year, & then................PFFFFFT!!!! Same with the Pontiac Fiero & the Cadillac Allante` later on.
@mediocreman2
@mediocreman2 10 ай бұрын
Yes, the deadline became more important than the product. GM obviously could have engineered a better car, but they didn't want to. They wanted to get the car to market as quick as possible to beat the competition, but the GM management didn't realize that the competition was built with higher quality. Must have been incredibly frustrating to be a good engineer at GM.
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
You have to remember that if you wanted the quality to be as good as say, a Volvo at about $15k, you would NOT get THAT quality for $8k! You get what you pay for..
@teds7379
@teds7379 8 ай бұрын
@@TheOzthewiz It's not that simple. A lot of luxury cars were and are terrible. A 1980's Toyota was built better than a Jaguar or a Cadillac.
@jaydibernardo4320
@jaydibernardo4320 10 ай бұрын
That was both entertaining & comical at the same time. 😅
@lobsterwhisperer7932
@lobsterwhisperer7932 9 ай бұрын
When are you doing another Motorweek Marathon? I love those.
@ItsaRomethingeveryday
@ItsaRomethingeveryday 5 ай бұрын
I used to have one it had 2.8L four speed manual transmission it was great dependable car flawless
@2H2521
@2H2521 4 ай бұрын
This was the true beginning of the end for GM “quality.”
@mediocreman2
@mediocreman2 10 ай бұрын
At GM, the deadline became more important than the product. GM obviously could have engineered a better car, but they didn't want to. They wanted to get the car to market as quick as possible to beat the competition, but the GM management didn't realize that the competition was built with higher quality. Must have been incredibly frustrating to be a good engineer at GM.
@kingelvis7035
@kingelvis7035 9 ай бұрын
5:52 Notice Craig calls the 327 Chevy II "King of the Economy Supercars" - "Super Car" was actually the original name coined to describe the '65 GTO and it's imitators.
@ztwntyn8
@ztwntyn8 9 ай бұрын
My friend in high school had one. I had a 68 Impala 327 went low 14s but still I about shit when he floored it to beat a yellow light lol. It tucked the ass and pulled well. I was surprised and remember it many years later.
@anibalbabilonia1867
@anibalbabilonia1867 10 ай бұрын
Boy we’ve come a loooong way since then in automotive reliability!😂
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
THANK THE JAPANESE!
@proman1926
@proman1926 8 ай бұрын
This was my second car I bought in 1988. Kept it for 2 years.
@Affalterbach1967
@Affalterbach1967 9 ай бұрын
The simple design with thin-pillar glasshousre has aged well.
@ChevyCitation
@ChevyCitation 10 ай бұрын
Those were nice looking cars with the "Sideways Radio" before they Rotted Out
@rustbeltrobclassic2512
@rustbeltrobclassic2512 4 ай бұрын
After i watch these GM videos, it amazes me they didn't go bankrupt sooner..
@wisco_guy
@wisco_guy 10 ай бұрын
Motor Week reviews before they sold out to the car companies. I miss them.
@GeeEm1313
@GeeEm1313 10 ай бұрын
I guess they needed funding.
@MalachiWhite-tw7hl
@MalachiWhite-tw7hl 8 ай бұрын
Do you mean "after" ? Sounds like they've sold out here.
@Offthbadan
@Offthbadan 10 ай бұрын
The sound effects from the wheels screeching just makes me laugh. Not to mention the scarf that guy is wearing.
@carlasghost656
@carlasghost656 10 ай бұрын
Scarf Guy is Craig Singhaus. He became a regular and did their features for years. Joyce Braga, who did the automotive news and tech stories for years can also be seen as a test driver earlier on. Limited budget on a PBS show means everyone does more than one job.
@mercoid
@mercoid 7 ай бұрын
I’m ready for the 80’s.
@stoveguy2133
@stoveguy2133 8 ай бұрын
Had a 87 celebrity v6. Mpi was pretty peppy.
@MrOnemanop
@MrOnemanop 10 ай бұрын
My favourite line, "Bodily fluids." X11 ambulance perhaps?
@donswier
@donswier 10 ай бұрын
The first Chevy of the 80's The first Chevy of its kind. This could be the car you had in mind.
@richardbennett9045
@richardbennett9045 10 ай бұрын
I use to have one i loved it i had it for long time
@user-sb1ke4ku7g
@user-sb1ke4ku7g 9 ай бұрын
@ 3:45 "As are the checkpoints for all the bodily fluids" . Would never see ease of maintenance highlights in a modern car video..
@markhagerman1837
@markhagerman1837 10 ай бұрын
I love these old reviews. GM in the 80s was not known for quality or fit and finish (understatement). In Michigan, the X cars were everywhere due to their FWD and practicality. I’m old but does anyone remember the Bob Hope Exxon ads with the Citation? Bob was driving around with only three wheels.
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 10 ай бұрын
No AMERICAN cars built during that time were known for quality fit and finish, unless you count the "press" vehicles! These are the "hand picked" virtually hand assembled units that the factories supply to the car magazines. You have readers that DON'T want to hear about sloppily built cars!
@RaymondHaley-lv2mo
@RaymondHaley-lv2mo 24 күн бұрын
The X cars weren't perfect but a small step in the right direction,a perfect starting point ❤😂😮
@hopefloats7573
@hopefloats7573 10 ай бұрын
My family went to look at a 4 Dr Citation in 1980. We bought a '79 Malibu 2 Dr which became my high school car. Wow, really dodged one there!!!
@douglasb.1203
@douglasb.1203 10 ай бұрын
I'm digging the blue Maxima wagon.
@markgarin6355
@markgarin6355 3 ай бұрын
My 81 X-11 rocked
@JohnDoe-yj5ng
@JohnDoe-yj5ng 3 ай бұрын
There's a Citation X11 at Standard Auto Wreckers in Toronto Canada. Body still in good shape. Engine still in it. Hood missing. Needs work.
@DM-hw4cr
@DM-hw4cr 9 ай бұрын
"The airpump pulley wobbled off it's mount" . 😂
@philsmgb4393
@philsmgb4393 10 ай бұрын
You can just tell that John wants to say, "Eff it, this car sucks rocks!"
@joegrahe3958
@joegrahe3958 10 ай бұрын
Always remember the commercials in 1979- "The First Chevy of the 80s..."
@timboslice1979
@timboslice1979 8 ай бұрын
Those 2.8L engines were good engines. 3rd gear would drop the RPMs to a nice quiet level on the highway. I had one in my Celebrity. Comfy car.
@TheOzthewiz
@TheOzthewiz 8 ай бұрын
It must have been REALLY quiet in 4th gear with the manual gearbox..
@Rayven_cat
@Rayven_cat 8 ай бұрын
This was my first car in 1994. This exact vehicle 83 burgandy.
@mitchkelleher7972
@mitchkelleher7972 10 ай бұрын
Love the way the passenger seat flops forward under braking. WTF was with Isadora Duncan's scarf?
@howardkerr8174
@howardkerr8174 8 ай бұрын
I have never driven a Citation but my sister owned one that I rode in. I did own a J2000 and have driven a few GM FWD cars of the late 60s through the mid 80s. Yes, they handled reasonably well, but steering feel was almost nonexistent. So not sure how good or bad it's mentioned competition was, but my 80 Ford Fiesta was much more fun to drive.
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