The 1984 Masters match between McEnroe and Wilander is a perfect example of why McEnroe that year played a level of tennis unequaled before or since. On one of the points McEnroe hit a stretch backhand drop volley crosscourt in which McEnroe was standing next to the right side singles sideline and his drop volley landed about 3-4 inches beyond the net just inside the opposite singles sideline on Wilander's side of the court and Wilander had no chance of getting the ball back. On another point McEnroe hit a touch forehand drop shot that landed barely beyond the net on Wilander's backhand side of the court (the ad court) and Wilander once again could not get the ball back. You didn't see Federer during his dominant years on the men's pro tennis tour attempt shots like that on a tennis court.
@lb33isu14 жыл бұрын
The next year--January, 85--McEnroe again faced Wilander in the Masters semis and defeated him 6-1, 6-1 in a stunning performance. McEnroe's play at that time was in my opinion the best tennis anyone had ever seen. To this day, McEnroe's touch at net and ability to rob opponents of their timing with groundstrokes hit early remain in my opinion unsurpassed in the game's history. I do not believe any rating of tennis's all-time greats should have any player ahead of McEnroe.
@AlanGoswami-nz9lg4 жыл бұрын
No one is ever ahead of McEnroe....in human evolution !
@ST-xg3gy3 жыл бұрын
Agree
@staffan1442 жыл бұрын
Disagree
@jansnauwaert1785 Жыл бұрын
Strongly disagree. And mind you: I used to be a McEnroe fan.
@dks13827 Жыл бұрын
@@jansnauwaert1785 used to be ?
@arnoldjr2000408 жыл бұрын
God this is old school tennis. Using slice spins, speed anticipation and skill. Back when you lost to a guy because he was the better player, not because he hit the ball harder.
@alanchong75138 жыл бұрын
Who won this match between Mac and Mats~
@sebbytennis42984 жыл бұрын
The unique continental grip that Mac was using plus the equipment of the time made power tennis a risky proposition. Power on both wings really started with The arrival of Aaron Krickstein and Jimmy Arias who had already modern grips and a game like Andre Agassi and Jim Courrier. But if you really pay attention the top 3 players use the slice regularly and touch shots a lot to change pace and slow the game down possibly more than the players in the top 100
@sebbytennis42984 жыл бұрын
Alan Chong Mac won in straight sets
@pedroV20033 жыл бұрын
@@sebbytennis4298 personally I think it was the equipment more than the players. Borg had already been using the western grips long before Arias and Krickstein and when you look at his forehand stroke side by side to Federer etc you can see that they look almost identical.
@sebbytennis42983 жыл бұрын
@@pedroV2003 Agreed
@Head318Hunter5 жыл бұрын
I love how Johns ground strokes resemble table tennis more than tennis. Combined with the left hand, amazing accuracy, unique and hard to read serve, the attacking style. He's either the #1 or #2 all time best serve and volley player ever. Stefan Edberg being the other. Sampras and Becker #3 and #4 in no order.
@jasonbrooks65626 жыл бұрын
Between this masters(1984) and the following year mcenroe played the best tennis l have seen in my life.
@markanderson36695 жыл бұрын
I too agree...if he wins the 1984 French, an incredible year would have been an even better year, and moves him up the list of the greatest players of all time.
@SMSJSC5 жыл бұрын
@Alberto Stanghellini Although Mac utterly outplayed Lendl for the first two sets at the French '84, Lendl has to be given credit for hanging in there. It must really irk him when some people refer to that final as the match Mac lost, rather than the title Lendl won.
@SMSJSC5 жыл бұрын
Completely agree that in '84, Mac played the best tennis ever seen. It saddens me that there is no place for that kind of game anymore - it's all about power. There's no room at all for touch and artistry. That's why I simply don't watch tennis anymore.
@iamtman14 жыл бұрын
There’s nothing McEnroe did better than Federer in his prime! Mac would be the first to tell you that. And as far as no artistry since McEnroe, you obviously didn’t watch prime Federer. He was the mist talented player ever.
@iamtman14 жыл бұрын
Most talented I meant ( Fed)
@ronaldcrosby23882 жыл бұрын
Me and my brother got to see McEnroe and Wilander play in an exhibition match in Albuquerque NM January 1986.
@danielhkhk7283 Жыл бұрын
So beautiful tennis!
@ferrari7910014 жыл бұрын
high quality of sound and immages; very good sport video thank's
@mrbobevans14 жыл бұрын
When you watch Mats, you come away with the impression that he could run all day and not be tired.
@SuperHammaren4 жыл бұрын
Yes, you have to win every point by yourself, he will not miss and he will find your weak points and there the ball will come.
@dickn.ormous10643 жыл бұрын
It's incredible how he won 7 slams with so little game.
@SuperHammaren3 жыл бұрын
@@dickn.ormous1064 But so big mind. Had to be smarter than the others. But frankly, Connors was very much heart and fight, he did not hit very hard either.
@jordanaus753 жыл бұрын
@@dickn.ormous1064 he was one of the smartest and best tacticians the game has ever seen. Also very mentally tough. He actually developed a very good all court game that no one talks about.
@absoluteb2213 жыл бұрын
@lb33isu well said. I believe if tennis was pure, meaning that small headed rackets-possibly wooden were used, Mcenroe would destroy players who came after him.(particularly the likes of Nadal)
@SMSJSC5 жыл бұрын
Yep - for all their power, very few players in the modern era would even know where to start with a wooden racket.
@Head318Hunter5 жыл бұрын
1:14 best EVER touch and angles at the net.
@mattcorcoran70822 жыл бұрын
I actually think Pat Cash was a better volleyer than McEnroe. He won Wimbledon barely able to hit a ground stroke in at all.
@arnoldjr2000407 жыл бұрын
It was in my opinion the middle of the 1985 season. He won the WTC tournament in Dallas a few weeks later Lendl took him apart at a clay court event at Forrest Hills. It was down hill from there. He got served off the court by Kevin Curren at Wimbledon in the quarters and a five hour plus simifinal against Wilander doomed him against Lendl in the 85 US Open Final. 1986 was a catastrophe leading to a six month sabbatical after that it was over. Some say drugs some say Tatum O'Neal some say both. All I know is the most talented player to ever pick up a raquet would spend the rest of he's career at best a top 15 player. The End.
@chrisg.4757 жыл бұрын
Do you think anything in his game changed? I have heard some say his service motion changed very slightly, and it hurt 1st serve percentage and control. Peter Flemming said he hurt his hamstring and it was never re-habbed properly. Not sure... Maybe the power game caught up to him.
@7Lukibi99Tore77 жыл бұрын
Supposedly, one of the major reasons for McEnroe's tennis decline after his absolutely brilliant 1984 season, was because his serve, especially his second serve, lost some of the velocity that it had before. A number of the male pro players back then mentioned that as a reason for McEnroe's tennis decline including Lendl. Some time after the 1984 season, Lendl remarked that McEnroe's second serve just ''sits-up'' compared to the way his second serve was before.
@jasonbrooks65626 жыл бұрын
Arnold Stephenson not completely accurate in the run up to the 85 us open he consecutively beat lendl in straight sets in Montreal and stratton mountain. In the open final he had set points to take the first set(on his own serve). The marathon 5 set semi-final against wilander certainly took its toll and in the end lendl won the title 7/6 6/3 6/4. There were few highlights after that (wtc finals winner in 89, Wimbledon s/f 89&92. Us open s/f 90,beating Becker defending champion at Australian 92 ).a combination of a tempestuous marriage, niggly injuries and the advent of power tennis all led to a decline. He did end 1989 as world#4.
@ossyable5 жыл бұрын
I always thought the new power game with the graphite rackets around the mid eighties made his finesse and touch redundant. It's a remarkable testimony he still competed at a high level. 2 Wimbledon semis and a doubles grand slam in 1992. But for the change in technology he would have been at the top well into his thirties aka rosewall
@fundhund624 жыл бұрын
He didn't win at Dallas. He actually lost the first round to Nyström, the first of many disappointments in 1985.
@SuperHammaren5 жыл бұрын
Mcenroe is playing modern in a way as he approach the ball mowing forward as fast as possible. The technique is not exactly modern but his wrist.. my god his touch is soo good. He would be a top player today as well but he would play the game totally different.
@mephatboi14 жыл бұрын
love the camera angle u'd think after 25 yrs the camera work & instant replays in today's matches would be better but it's actually way worse
@knine16525 жыл бұрын
Wilander's game was always about as exciting as dried leaves.
@th82573 жыл бұрын
So many players in particular could learn a lot from him. He understood firstly that matches tend to be lost by errors rather than won with winners. Secondly, he also understood that winning isn't always about going out and playing your natural game brilliantly, it's also often about looking at your opponents and finding ways to make them play worse. He had one of the very best tennis brains.
@SyncopateTheShot3 жыл бұрын
@@th8257 You are right. He brought down the level of everyone who played against him. For example, against most people Lendl was an aggressive player. But he always played tentatively against Wilander. Wilander added more variety to his game as time went on. The 1982 French final between him and Vilas was the pits.
@SMSJSC2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Wilander's wasn't the most entertaining game, but there were worse - think Brad Gilbert, completely dull-as-ditchwater. "Winning dirty" was about the only way he could win.
@seguso Жыл бұрын
What? Wilander's running passing shots where the most exciting thing to watch!
@niamhbrennan448210 ай бұрын
Rubbish
@mirnesnuhanovic95974 жыл бұрын
At moments I get the impression like John is not hitting the ball. Big difference then was that they played a lot from the base and inside the court and from the net. Today most of the game hapens behind the base line, one meter or meter and the half or more, it has changed drasticly. Today is about power back then it was about skill and feeling.
@morrismarshall1575 Жыл бұрын
I think the old school tennis was much more exciting than today's slugfests. It's amazing what players back then did with low tech rackets
@HermanWaldorf4 жыл бұрын
two of my favorite players. Loving Mac's tennis is easy but I also enjoyed a lot Wilander's. I liked his capacity to stay focused and the fact that, after all, he invested in making his tennis less predictable by learning to play even by the net (if I remember well there was a period in which he was playing double to improve his skills)
@SuperHammaren4 жыл бұрын
Yep, won wimbledon in 86 with Nyström.
@SMSJSC5 жыл бұрын
The superb tennis on display here shows up the modern game for what it is today - a boring, unvarying baseline slugfest, with no touch or finesse at all. Mac, you were magnificent - and you are missed, mate.
@fundhund624 жыл бұрын
Tennis has made a huge step backwards over the last 30+ years. In hindsight, the change in racket technology was a big mistake. "The game has become faster, but not more intelligent" (Martina Hingis).
@Rackad4 жыл бұрын
I'd say the late 90s was a real slugfest. Watch fog example the final in grand slam cup between Magnus Larsson and Sampras(not sure of the exact year). Not sure any points were more than 3 strokes. They've slowed down the courts last decade and it shows. No crazy servers anymore.
@SMSJSC2 жыл бұрын
@@fundhund62 That's actually putting it kindly.
@wreckanchor10 ай бұрын
2 Legends
@sbalak5 жыл бұрын
Wow, no slamming the ball to kingdom come; it's all about placement and finesse.
@bwaters7354 жыл бұрын
Sal Balakrishnan raquets didnt allow for it,
@doctornov77 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of how Fed is playing atm (McEnroe): rallying and then unleashing a big one and following it in
@TheKimwee11 жыл бұрын
Really like Wilander's forehand here: open stance and a modern-looking finish at hip level. I think it was really cutting edge stuff. His footwork on the backhand is a different story as he often hit with a closed stance. I don't think it was quite as effective a stroke and might explain why he favoured the slice in engineering subsequent GS wins. Anyone have any thoughts to share on this? I also hear he is one of the nicest, most modest people ever to achieve great success in the sport.
@chrisg.4757 жыл бұрын
At the time, Mats backhand was considered one of the best in tennis and an "all-time-great" shot. Like Connors backhand or Lendl's forehand. Interestingly his forehand was just considered "good" but no Borg or Lendl. Chris
@7Lukibi99Tore77 жыл бұрын
Wilander's two-handed backhand , although very good, was never at the level of greatness of Connors', Budge's, Rosewall's or Borg's backhands or Lendl's forehand.
@evenkatasubramanian48095 жыл бұрын
Wilander backhand is more effective than his forehand, lendl himself admitted in early 80s and his backhand down the line was amongst the best during that time. His forehand is rather loopy and effective only as passing shots bit hardly to win rallies from backcourt. His mimics on court is pale shadow to what happens these days even after winning big grandslams. For sure, most modest persons ever to play this sport. Want to meet Mats at least once in my life. Wilander the great....
@th82572 жыл бұрын
Some stuff I read at the time said Wilander developed the slice backhand for a number of reasons. Firstly, he wanted to broaden his game and once you get the slice technique right you can use it for approach shots (he started coming in a lot more), drop shots and lobs. Secondly, given his reputation for long matches, slicing his backhand used less energy that topspin, whereas it can actually tire your opponent out because they have to dig it out each time.
@peachman569810 ай бұрын
I agree to a certain extent...I do think his BH up the line followed by his coming in was quite good....His footwork in general was exemplary.....so quick off the mark
@petegasper28067 ай бұрын
They ended their match statistiks with 7 wins for Wilander against McCenroe and 7 wins for McCenroe against Wilander. A tie. I have to Give the advantagd to Wilander though as he faced Off against McCaeneoe at 17 years old While McCaeneoe allready was established No 1 or 2 in the world. Had They been the same age Wilander would have had more wins over McCenroe. Wilander was something extra. At 17 years old he Wins the French Open. In Australian Open at 18 years of age he easily defeats McCenroe at Grass at Australian Open. Wilander won 7 Grandslams became works no 1 for 6 months and retired at age 24. His Grandslamtitlar wins was French Open 1982, Australian Open 1983 and 1984, French Open 1985. Australian Open, French Open and US Open 1988. Besides winning 3 put of four Grand slams in 1988 he won the 5 th and 6 th most important tournaments, Key Biscane and Cincinnati. Wilander is the only player Who has won Hard Court tournament in Cincinnati 4 times.
@arnoldjr2000407 жыл бұрын
I think like most true problems you face in life it was a combination of everything. If you choose to abuse talents you have been freely given in life you are doomed to forever lose them.
@keithmckeith10 жыл бұрын
Ib33isu - %100 agree
@pablotjob14 жыл бұрын
where was this Master? US??? which city???
@KingCast6514 жыл бұрын
Outstanding clarity, is this the only vid?
@williamsanders15522 жыл бұрын
At 2:13 the best reaction at net.
@pablotjob11 жыл бұрын
new york???
@SMSJSC5 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's where the Masters were held every year back then, at Madison Square Garden.
@Schrittwieser14 жыл бұрын
New York at the Garden
@arnoldjr2000408 жыл бұрын
McEnroe in straight sets. This was when he's game was still solid, especially from the back court.
@chrisg.4757 жыл бұрын
Arnold- When do you think John's game went off? WHY did it go off and how were the problems manifest...? Chris
@timobrienwells7 жыл бұрын
1985 I think. Not only did he take a break after being No.1 in 84, but the larger racquets made his game a little bit less effective.
@bonhamhouse11697 жыл бұрын
Tatum O'Neal.
@santacarmela78634 жыл бұрын
Que empuñadura mas cerrada la de wilander!!!!
@Looii514 жыл бұрын
Was Mats doin' a bit of coke in the change over?
@SMSJSC2 жыл бұрын
I wondered about that too. McEnroe didn't look too happy about it
@JK-vc7ie17 күн бұрын
high school girls hit harder than this these days. different game, not easier, just different
@jeffcostello47794 жыл бұрын
Interested in more games with McEnroe, Connors and Borg on DVD? Mail me for a list at: Sportdiggare@mail.com.
@hunkgolden57265 жыл бұрын
McEnroe dictating points by consistently hitting the ball on the rise on his backhand. He failed to do this later in his tennis career. He had to fight real hard to win pts. after this. It cost him future slams.
@Largecanyondog Жыл бұрын
There are two eras of tennis, before Agassi and after Agassi. The before era is a little hard to watch, but a fun novelty to look back on for a set.
@morrismarshall1575 Жыл бұрын
Yes, but you have to take into consideration the low tech rackets old school players used. How players today could function with the racket that Mac or Connors used?
@totogroove4 жыл бұрын
Krass! Das Tempo ist heute Kreisliga ;-)
@dcfunhouse9 ай бұрын
'84 was the crybaby's best year, for sure.
@sermikan13 Жыл бұрын
C'est dingue, on a l'impression qu'ils jouent au ralenti...
@mattcorcoran70822 жыл бұрын
Looks like table tennis compared to today’s power hitters.
@bwaters7354 жыл бұрын
Mcenroe hits like a girl lol
@robocop59353 жыл бұрын
Mcenroe is a legend .
@ericselstad82573 жыл бұрын
Yes, I’m sure that is the first thing everyone thought when they got beat by Jonny Mac!! “I just beat by a gurl!!”
@SMSJSC2 жыл бұрын
Really? Show me a "girl" who plays anything like that nowadays. Or any time in the past for that matter. What a dumbass comment. But you're just a troll, aren't you?
@morrismarshall1575 Жыл бұрын
I saw him play an exhibition match with Jim Courier in 2009. Johnny Mac has always, first and foremost, been a touch player. His serve is classically unorthodox
@ingenerchik2 жыл бұрын
Such a boring, unsexy, ephemeral style. It s almost painful to watch. I like Roger’s way of winning much better.
@miguel64402 жыл бұрын
Wilander ? i agree.
@SuperHammaren2 жыл бұрын
@@miguel6440 Wilander was not exactly winning, was he?