I agree..with everything but the confederate flags..the confederate traitors entire leadership should have been hung publicly for leading So many to their deaths. I think if it happened today you would agree and want the same...Lincoln showed a TON of restraint

@@jaydesrochers3276 well you just made that more serious then it had to be lol

Hoytshooter 1990 I guess I did lol! From racing to the civil war....to public hangings. Wow

i thank god for safe walls and the hans...i had that idea before its advent but could not figure out where to tether my helmet too great safty inovation cars could have been safe back 60s 70s i dont get it why werent window nets a no brainer

@@jaydesrochers3276 Buzz kill Jay that makes everything into something terrible and evil. We learn from our past dumb ass. The rebel flag is thought of Southern pride by the majority of people. Nobody saying hang black people and tear the country apart now or during the race in the video. Of course my comment to you is pointless because you will always be a troll asshole spew your bs.

NASCAR shat themselves when bobby allison almost went into the grandstands

With todays technology they’d be running 250+ lol

On the small tracks he was no better than anybody else. What made him so good on the big track was those two years he was allowed to run a 351 Cleveland because NASCAR had a rule and I'm pretty sure it was $ 357 in³ but the rule didn't specify be blocked or small block. Common sense will tell anyone a big block will outrun a small block on the big end

I won't be long they'll be trying electric cars 😂😂 back then we had ford Chevy Buick dodge now it's Toyota ford Chevy All the rules that's why I quit watching

All the computer crap took the racing out of racing. Before it was the mechanic and the tuner, now the computer tells you what to do. Me street racing is me and my people, not some computer telling us we are stupid. What's the point of learning anything?

well im with you but theres a lot of single file racing in this one too

I personally prefer the new racing than old racing, todays, you can watch the race live at cell phones, you can see the big screen broadcasting the TV live

Look up Isle of Mann TT racing on youtube. It is motorcycle racing, but it is unregulated and will get your adrenaline pumping. People die every year there, but it is one of the only places left on the planet where you can see pure racing still. Trust me it is worth watching at least one time to remember just how amazing pure speed can be with no crazy rules. What the hell I will even give you all the link. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n7iHo5yjzcy3j2Q.html

Amen brother !

Jay Berry I disagree.

Restrictor plates didn’t hurt anything

Talladega this past Sunday was light years better competition

No one cheated better than Ernie! But damn could he build em

@@BamaShinesDistillery Nope. He just ported the heads. His Dad bought the first dyno in Nascar from Penske before Penske had even thought about running Nascar, in his Indy days. I'm sure if the Elliott's could afford a dyno they afforded a cam grinder as well.... When you're hungry you are hungry. Johnson just wished he had gotten that dyno.

@@kramnull8962 Of course he cheated, they all did back then.

Not all of them. The car’s illegality was it was physically smaller than the rules allowed; once teams finally figured this out Elliott was far less competitive

@@STP43FAN1 true

Racing seriously under competitive

Sure it was because the only thing Chevrolet had that would compete as far as cubic inches was a 350 base block. You could only run 357 cubic inches and Ford had a big block and NASCAR didn't have a rule that it had to be a small block. I've had big blocks and small blocks and I can tell you like this. From zero to a hundred miles an hour I can take a small block and eat a big block's ass but on top end stretched out as fast as we can run on a two and a half mile track a big block Cleveland could give that small block Chevrolet a two-lap head start and in 80 to 100 laps he would pass him the second time. No comparison so Bill Elliot in my opinion was never that damn great of a race car driver and that's just my opinion

@@mastercarpenter1970 351-C is a small block. Same 4.38 bore spacing as the SBC.

@@mastercarpenter1970 Except they weren't running the 351C. What they were running was a special engine Ford had made based more on the 351W but incorporated design features of the Cleveland engine. It wasn't a big block. Those went bye bye around '74 or so when then made 358 cu in. the max displacement. You have your opinion about Bill Elliot, I disagree. Nobody ever has had a season like he did in 1985. As good as it was he didn't win the Winston Cup in '85. He had another great year in '87 when he did win it just edging Rusty Wallace in a tremendous battle the last one third of the season.

@@mastercarpenter1970Since when is a 351 cube Ford Cleveland V8 considered to be a big block?

@@bbigjohnson069 Bill was the 1988 champ

On the edge of our seats almost the whole race.

I've heard he lived his whole life their an ant disputing you but back in the 80s when they introduced him an his brother from Detroit Michigan an their dad owned the taxi service up their.dont no if that's true but it's how they were announced during races

He wasn't up in Michigan much after he started racing. My friend drove cab for his dad and brother. My father in law worked for Benny's sponsor as a advertising company. We got tickets to some races and I built my father in laws company a Nascar model of Benny's winning #55 Oldsmobile to display in their lobby. They loved it ,put in under lights even.

​@@sparkyguitar0058KO CT

Ernie Elliott motors. His brother is one of the elite engine builders in NASCAR history. Other engineers that come to mind Smokey Yunick, Maurice Petty, the Wood Brothers, Waddell Wilson for Ranier-Lundy, Robert Yates and later his son Doug who still builds the motors for essentially all the Ford teams today, Richie Gilmore for DEI, and the late Randy Dorton for Hendrick. Michael McDowell's Daytona 500-winning car...the engine under the hood of that #34 Ford was crafted by Doug Yates. All of the Toyotas get their engines from TRD (Toyota Racing Development).

@@mattkowal90I think Ernie should be in hall of fame that's a exclusive bunch you named plus Erie won 33 times a cup crewcheif only person I can think of that has that many wins as crewcheif an 41 wins as engine builder is wadelll Wilson. ernie should be in hall of fame

Clevelands are no joke.

@@mattkowal90 I read something somewhere that indicated the Toyota motors were more or less clones of small block Chevrolets. Anything to that or not? Thanks.

Don’t know. The Elliott car wasn’t about power. The body was physically smaller than was legal; they were able to beat the templates. Earnhardt’s guys would likewise cheat the templates the next year plus by shaving the roofline greenhouse area

They did reduce the carburetors the second half of 1987. It didn’t work. People should have accepted and embraced the restrictor plates and worked to make the cars far more stuck to the track (also to make the draft unstoppable again like it is today)

The GM boys had an entire year of test&tune with restrictor plates..everyone else had but a couple months to set up their cars for that season..The restrictor plates were implemented specifically to choke power on the Ford Guys running Clevelands...GM guys crying that Fomoco had an unfair advantage

Well said.

I thought so, too...

A lot of Americans think the same way.

I feel the same. Although I wasn't a Jeff Gordon fan, I stopped watching when he retired. Seemed a fitting time to end it all for me too. Been hitting up the local dirt tracks ever since. It's not like the old days of NASCAR but it is still a lot of fun. I love Finland, been there many times....Tampere, Finland.

I agree the fist fights Pearson petty Yarbrough the fire and passion they had there missed by me the NASCAR OF OLD WAS the one to watch awesome bill from Dawsonville and ernie the engine guru that to atleast a page of three from smokey yunicks book on speed yes its sad a real tragedy what has happened to NASCAR

did not know this miss agawam raced twice there enduro they assigned numbers #80.#47 still use those numbers got to get back i am not done

hes one of my favorites of todays announcing staff.

The great Ken Squire was in the booth...Mike was a pit road reporter during this broadcast. 😊

He didn't get that second name until he won the Southern 500.

same age, but i started in about 85 or 86. i clearly remember watching pettys daytona crash live in 88

The Doppler effect hasn’t changed; I’m guessing you haven’t been to a race yet. Definitely something you have to experience to understand.

@@justingrabowski8142 im just saying the higher speed leads to a higher pitch. Nothing more than than.

It was woefully inferior to today. Racing is 50-plus lead changes and slam draft combat all 188 laps; this 1985 race is inferior in every way

my first job, all the way through highschool, was working at a full service conoco station. filled er up, washed the bugs off the glass and checked the oil if you wanted!

@@ghomerhust Yes, I took pride in my skill with the squeegee, but that didn't stop the occasional, "you missed a spot" customer. Sorry, ma'am, that is a chip, not a bug. Yes, that's a chip also.

My Mama would have driven to where you worked just to get gas. She HATED pumping her own gas! Of course she started driving in 1954 when there was no such thing as a self-service gas station!

That man was the real deal!

They use to do that everywhere when it rains that was standard track drying equipment till Bruton an humpy invented the jet dryers which now have been replaced by the air titans but I always thought dragging tires was cool an it also put rubber back in track that had been washed away.

Had nascsr not changed so many rules to let gm catch up elliots would won alot more.nascar did everything that they could to catch gm up even let them stick that bubble they call the areo coupe which is nuthing more than a areo dynamics band aid nascar gave gm jus to keep up with the elliots.

@@brianbooher7318 Childress and Earnhardt were nascar's biggest crybabies at the time

@@mrnascar9129 absolutely had Nascar made the manufacturer run what they built an not restricted them it would been 1990 atleasy before anyone would have touched the Elliott even if they jus run what they were running here in 85 but the gace the gm cars them aero dynamic band aid cars in 86 .

This looks unwatchable

@@jamesgentry13 How on earth is this unwatchable? The quality is good considering this is from 1985, and the racing is great too.

Watch the Isle of Mann TT racing if you want to see the only real unregulated racing left on the planet. Several people die a year there though and have something like over 200 have died since it started. I still enjoy watching real racing with few rules though. It is motorcycle racing, but it will get your adrenaline rushing just watching it as they scream at near 200MPH on narrow country island roads.

@@johntate4638 It's not racing unless people are dying. smh

Sure Killed alot more drivers back then.

Unbelievable!!

Shows how dam strong that car was I heard Greg sack bragin about beating bill in firecracker 85 which he did but they forget to mention bill had to pit with a couple laps To go an Greg stretched his fuel so its not like he out run bill..bill made up over 5 miles at Winston 5pp an his twin 125 at Daytona in 85 he laped entire field except 2nd place waltrip an he was almost 40 seconds behind an would been laped in another 2 laps thats getting it done in a 125

That car was illegally small. It wasn’t a fundamentally better car

@@brianbooher7318bill also had a severe vibration because of a bent drive shaft. If not for that and a pit stop near the end, the world would have never heard of Greg Sacks

​@@STP43FAN1It was more aerodynamic. Elliot was good, not great. Without the aero advantage of the Thunderchicken, he was average.

Well, not spoiled totally, but partly. I guessed immediately who it was after seeing your comment. I always seem to screw up my viewing experience by scrolling down to see the comments. Should have already learned not to after so many times.

Well I saw it live so no spoiler for me.

Didn't spoil it for me. I was there. I remember this was Davey Allison's first race.

@@backporchdriver3763 Finished 10th, then finished 7th the next year substituting for his good buddy Neil Bonnett in the 12. Somehow he avoided his Father's accident in T1 on the final lap.

Yep,driving for famous Hoss Ellington's #1 from here in Wilmington NC.

Finished 10th in his debut, then 7th the next year substituting for Neil Bonnett after he was injured in a crash at Pocono the week prior in the Junior Johnson #12. A year and half after this he won his first Cup race, and followed it up with wins there in 1989 and 1992.

@@mattkowal90 19 Wins R.I.P.

@@coca-colatrackhousewarrior9925 19 wins in 191 starts too, so just under a 10% winning average. Probably 9.999%. Includes 3 Winston 500's, 1992 Daytona 500, 1989 Pepsi 400, unfortunately didn't the Talladega 500, and quite a few road course wins.

Clever is correct. They did what every racer in history has tried to do, they found a loophole in the rules and brilliantly engineered an engine that, within the rules, could not be beaten. Especially with that slippery Ford Thunderbird body to complete the idea.

Bill's T-Bird was the same size as every other T-Bird in the field, and fit all the template measurements of that time. The "downsized car" story is nothing but a farcical urban legend....

Cleveland Engine with clever Ernie Elliott engineering! And Bill's car fit the templates, so you GM fans can cry all you want but he whupped yer asses in 1985 big time!

@@knobdikker not only whipped their asses he sent them home crying to their mommies he was unbelievable that year they talk about him making up 5 miles under green I think him lapping the entire field expt 2 place waltripin his twin 125 an he'd laped him in 2 more laps in his he won by 40 seconds in his twin 125

Bob Glidden had done worked some magic on Bill Elliot heads in the 85.

Ned Jarrett had several shows where he stated that most of the top contenders were around 875hp. But Ernie Elliott's engine package was cooling the heads down and was reaching 13.9:1 compression because of being slightly cooler. The best of the rest was only getting 13:1 barely. He guessed by math that Bill was sitting on 925hp or so. Many will say BS to the 875hp, but just remember a Hellcat @707hp wouldn't really hit but about 186 mph. These cars are lighter, but way less aerodynamic than a Hellcat. They were talking about Ernie had a cam and heads that no one else had. Well His Dad had bought a Penske Racing dyno back in 79-80 and started work on the 351 cleveland. I am sure his Dad had a cam grinder as well, if he had the money for a dyno. As far as showing actual horsepower, I am not so sure it would tell you that. Most likely it was more of just a tuning dyno that added brake and you worked the engine to get the best mixture at certain RPM. Really a high dollar carb tuner... To this day though, I've never seen anything of Ernie saying anything about the dyno, but they way the entire Southeast was after his ass, I doubt he wanted to reveal anything while it counted...

Very good question. The answer is how did he finish in the rest of the schedule?? I wish the point system was still the same as it was in the 70s and 80s and until the playoff deal started. Playoffs are for Baseball. And they ain't but 1 Baseball team......THE NEW YORK YANKEES,,,,Period.

Or the Boston Red Sox in the 2000s and 2010s.

Bill Elliott either won or crashed. He broke his leg 3rd race of the season. Crashed at Richmond, lost his breaks at martinsville and Charlotte. Had mechanical failures at dover, wilkesboro and riverside. Ole DW was in the top 10 every single race.

@@jarflymystique6545 yes if bill had a good short track program they would have won 3 or 4 championships! They were very inconsistent on short tracks period! Plus waltrip was a master at closing races out with good finishes! It’s really sad he didn’t win the championship that year!!

Same

Agree.

i say Cali should go. that race is always boring. racing at the Brickyard is alright tho.

Josh Hust made a good point and were gettin somethin now

The Rock was dull the last eight years it ran. North Wilkesboro is the LEAST competitive track in NASCAR history - just seven lead changes per race (the road courses used to average nine; it’s ticked upward to 11-12 lead changes per race the last few years). We need to stop kidding ourselves and admit a lot of changes have been good (certainly not all like radial tires, the raindrop body style without coke bottle and long snout wedge body styles as competition, lack of downforce and stupid warring against downforce, shifting on ovals, no real points value given to wins and most laps led)

Yes Cale was about the only real competition in those days! If bill was on there was nothing they could do with him! They just had that motor and body chiseled to perfection!! Not to mention a fantastic driver behind the wheel! If their short track program had been even remotely close they would have won at least three or four championships!!

Hell nascar let them alter their whole back half of their car .gm called it the areo coupe but in all reality it waz jus an areo dynamics band aid nascar gave gm jus to keep up with the elliots

@@brianbooher7318 Yup....and that first year of SS Aero Coupe production was only 200 cars if my memory serves me correctly.

@@toddjohnson7133 yea jus enuff to let them alter the 86 race car with that areo dynamic band aid back window simply to keep bill from lapping the field on the big tracks.

Cleveland engine, not "Clevor."

dale bowman Only because of restrictor plates. Today’s cars have clocked in at 235 mph without the restrictor plates.

Actually they clock Knight Rider Super Pursuit Mode speed of 280 mph.

Bengt Handlebars I know they don’t. That’s why I’m mentioning it in the first place dumbass.

@@superbird4351 Please tell me where they were allowed to run laps without restrictor plates where they got up to 235mph with some proof.

@@dartmaster501 I know Rusty Wallace did tests in the mid 90s and got up there.

that's actually a really astute comparison

*WWE

Earnhardt right?

Earnhardt i couldn't stand but he was right if that drives driveshaft had came thru his window it woulda cut his head off

How about him I think started 4 daytona 500 an outside pole southern 500 in 85

eric burhed stock car racing is basically Indy car at this point. Wish nascar had a competitor.

American pussies 😂🖕

Ruined? How? Specifics please because I never get credible specifics when I press people what they won’t embrace in modern NASCAR

They have them on ebay an google

lol yeah. I have my computer speakers on full..

most of these come from old VHS recordings of the originally aired races, ripped onto the computer to upload. that's why you have little glitches, like VCR tracking and such.

Do you have a phone number would like to buy some from you if possible

704-232-7886

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@@patricksimmons9853 Your field agent just left my location. Wow, she was HOT. I'm gonna be infringing again, and soon!