Recalibrated to 138. The second highest since 1977. What I would love to know, is if Bering never broke his knee in the closing of the race and somehow repelled the challenge of Dancing Brave, how highly he would have been rated, and especially compared to Frankel.

I Detest the Comparisons between Dancing Brave and Frankel.. They are Completely Different Horses.. Dancing Brave beat Green Desert 3l in the guineas.. Frankel beat very little.. 6l yes but poor opposition.. Frankel didn't stay the 12 f classic distance.. The Brave did... Frankel ran at 4.. Dancing Brave retired at 3..who knows how good he would have been at 4... And then Dancing Braves last furlong in the Derby and Arc de Triomphe are truly Electrifying.. And this fact is mind blowing.. If the guineas of 1986 was run on 2nd May as it should have been this year, then Dancing Brave would have been a, 2 Yr old.. And would have ran in the 1986 guineas instead.. Where he would have virtually been a 4 Yr old, running in a 3 Yr olds race.. Anyway, I'm just saying that although Frankel is a Great Horse, you cannot possibly say he's definitely better than Dancing Brave.. Surely only sea Bird or Ribot or Mill reef or the Brigadier could be considered his equal or better? Bering was a very underrated Horse though.. To have him called better than Sagace, who won 2 Arcs and got disqualified, is saying something indeed..

8 groip 1 winners in a line a furlong out and then Eddery takes off on the outside.

Your wrong about that......the best rated horse on the flat was SeabirdII with a rating of 145......

As Lee SOG states..They were recalibrated in 1977..And Dancing Brave was awarded 141..How Frankel can be rated higher and Dancing Brave subsequently dropped 3lb is a DISGRACE.. Frankel couldn't get beyond a mile till he was 4..Even then, no king George or Eclipse or Arc because he didn't stay.. Dancing Brave was the Complete Racehorse.. At All Distances.. And as great as Sea Bird was.. Even he didn't run in or win his 2000 guineas..Just contemplate this.. The 2000 guineas has been moved to late May the last few years.. That means Dancing Brave would have Won his 2000 guineas as a 2 Yr old.. Let that sink in.. And he never ran at 4 like Frankel and others.. I'm not saying Dancing Brave is the Greatest of All time.. I'm 55,years old and he's the Greatest Flat Horse of my Lifetime.. All Distances considered..

Wow! What a racehorse!

Absolutely nothing will ever come close either

Very nice victory for Dancing Brave here, but I don't think it holds a candle to the Arc victory of Sea the Stars.

@@doon4560 That was also a great race...look at the ratings of the first 5 past the post in the 86 Arc...1) 140, 2) 136, 3) 132, 4) 135, 5)134....no other arc has had that high ratings for the top 5. Also the sectional times done by DB are the best since those figures are available....there is article other there with the sectionals...facts speak for themselves...closes would be 1965 Arc...1) 145, 2) 137 , 3) 130...plus American champion Tom Rolfe

@@johnfaw As for Timeform, speed, there is no question as to the extremely high level of this 1986 Arc. And wow! what a contingent of American jockeys (European-based Cauthen and Asmusen, joined by Cordero) to join Pat Eddery et al! Of course there are many factors with which to judge race horses, prestigious races, but for me what StS and Mick Kinane achieved on the rail on the Longchamp home stretch in 2009 puts their effort at the tops in terms of excitement, athletic ability and horsemanship.

Their isn,t a horse in history could of stopped Dancing Brave in this Arc... is it true that Dancing Braves final furlong in this Arc was faster than the final furlong by Green Desert in that years July Cup?

@@jasonfox4857 i think the Arc last furlong was run in 10.8secs, super fast.

Harwood went to see Pat before the race and asked him "what are you going to do?" Pat replied "i will be the last to go". Harwood stormed out with a look of panic".

Rubbish, PE doing none of that.. DB loved the open scope outside.

Miss u Pat my friend u and dancing brave were the best ever x

My dad did exactly the same

@Stephen Small what is your obsession with Golden Fleece? You’ve been replying with the same comment to people for over a year😂

@@stephensmall8601dancing brave ran 5 furlong sprinter pace in that last furlong 10.8 seconds that’s unbelievable speed from a middle distance horse, no horse in history could match that.

Triptych was great. Rarely out of the top three or four places. Way back in the King George in 86 and still got third place

Triptych was amazing. And 70-1 for the race. Looking back, a tricast of DB, Bering and Triptych would have made us rich

@Stephen Small muhammad ali lost loads of fights..usain bolt lost loads of 100 metre races...roger federer lost loads of tennis matches...lester piggot didnt win every race he rode in....so none of the above are superstars???? Dummy.

@@stephensmall8601 I'd be amazed if he said that. Dancing Brave beats Golden Fleece all day long

@@stephensmall8601 Zafonic was great in the 2000 guineas but DB would still have beaten him

Starkey rode Dancing Brave identically in the Derby.

@@horseracingstuff I think Dancing Brave didn't like going on a left hand course he lost at Santa Anita same situation

You guys are so right for me he's tt greatest racehorse Frankel was the bollocks but dancing brave was God in a racehorse

@@alistairhartley2988 He didn't handle Tattenham Corner, and also he used to take a while to hit top gear.

+Antoine Godbille A famous race and certainly, one of the late jockey's highlights.

+uhegbu "a famous race". The strongest collection of group 1 horses ever assembled for one race. A race full of champion racehorses with the best of the best coming out on top.

+Antoine Godbille Yes on the quality front this was the best arc of all time. It had seven group one winners in the field

for me third best after nijinsky and secretariat.

You could argue all day about this. But one thing is for sure. Nothing Frankel ever did comes anywhere near Dancing Brave's achievement in the Arc.

@Stephen Small 🤣 idiot.

@Stephen Small you know nothing

@Stephen Small and you’re not

@Stephen Small so have I, so who are your top 5 ?

@Stephen Small well it’s all about opinions isn’t it, in my opinion the only one of those to get near him is Golden Fleece. Although all of them very good horses, I don’t ever remember any of them destroying a word class field like Dancing Brave did in the Arc and won going away.

The best and most exciting horse I have ever seen

Beaten Dancing Brave easily?? DB won going away and he would have won by more if he hadn’t challenged last

+ijaz moh I was five years old at the time but what a race it was. Prix D'l'Arc De Triomphe, the creme de la creme, the best of the best and what a field, too particurly that year's Derby winner, Sharastahni.

Well said, another legend of the sport leaves us.

@sleeplessinsale I realise the PMU couples horses, but the coupled price normally reflects the percentage of what the separate prices would have been, so shouldn't affect the price of snother individual runner.

Greville made an unforgettable error in the Derby which im sure he regretted for the rest of his life but enter pat eddery and the rest as they say is history magnificent horse

@@juliehearn9074 Starkey rode an unproven horse at the trip, whereas Eddery already knew the horse got it when he started riding him.

@@seanscanlon9067 Harwood wouldnt of ran Dancing Brave in the Derby had he thought he wouldn,t get the trip as Cecil knew Frankel wouldnt get the Derby trip so didnt run him in it...Eddery wouldnt of given Sharastani a 15 length lead coming round Tattenham Corner thats for sure...he.d of known that was the horse to beat and got the job done.

@@jasonfox4857 The natural next step for many 2000 guineas winners and even the placed horses is the Derby anyway. Harwood had no more idea as to whether Dancing Brave would stay 1m4f as Cecil did as to whether Frankel would but as I said above,it's the next step, just as it has been for many 2000 guineas winners and placed horse that did not stay the Derby trip but their trainers still ran them to find out. Frankel is by Galileo, a Derby winner himself as well as the Irish Derby and King George too. He is also the sire of proven 1m4f horses too like Nathaniel, who Frankel had already beaten at a mile on their 2YO debuts and most 2YOs debut at 5f or 6f. Galileo's progeny had already or went on to show an abundance of stamina and he sired middle distance and stayers like Anthony Van Dyck (Derby winner), Australia (Derby), Cape Blanco, New Approach (Derby winner), Order Of St George (Ascot Gold Cup winner at 2m4f), Rip Van Winkle, Ruler Of The World (Derby), Sixties Icon (St Leger winner at 1m6f), Soldier Of Fortune (Irish Derby winner at 1m4f), Ulysses and Waldgeist (Arc winner at 1m4f) and numerous others too, including a Frankel full brother Noble Mission who won at 1m4f as a 3YO and needed every yard of it. I personally feel the main reasons why they did not go for the Derby with Frankel was due to how easily and far he won the 2000 guineas by, that they thought they already had the Derby horse with World Domination and because Workforce had been kept in training for the 1m2f to 1m4f races. And Eddery would have held up Dancing Brave in the Derby too, just as he did on other horses he was beaten on in the race when not yet knowing if they stayed. Starkey was a bit unlucky that year on Dancing Brave that there were 17 runners, and he had to go so wide to circle them and then DB ran down the camber rather than in a straight line.

Watch the Champion Stakes in 95!!

It's easier when you are on the best horse. I accept that Greville may have disagreed with that.

Don’t be daft

Starkey never lost the Derby

@@gazowen7310 He did.

@@gazowen7310 so who rode Dancing Brave in the Derby ?😂 I think you will find it was Starkey. @Stephen Small he was interviewed before the race and said "he could bring the horse from anywhere to win the Derby" he obviously left it far to late, watch the race again and see how much ground he had to make up, and then watch Eddery time it to perfection to win the Arc. As @Luther Buckhurst has said nothing comes close to this horse.

@Stephen Small err yes

STS beat a mediocre Arc field, no comparison to this. Dancing Brave mowed down possibly the best field the Arc has seen.

Pentre Celebre was a great, but don't ever put him above the Brave.

Piggot, Mercer, Carson, Eddery. Cauthen, Swinburn, Cochrane, Roberts, Assmusen, F Head, A Fabre...H Cecil. V O Brien, M Stoute. J Tree, G Harwood, C Britain to name but a few...the golden age of racing.

@@jasonfox4857 don't forget Major Dick Hern with horses like Brigadier Gerard, Bustino, Highclere, Sun Princess, Nashwan, dayjur just to name a few

@@alioucisse1548 ah god how could i forget...nashwan and dayjur two of my fav,s!

+csb73 Brough Scott explained that the French coverage totally missed Dancing Brave challenging on the outside, so Ch4 had to splice together footage from another camera before pictures went out "as live" to the UK.

oh right, didn't realise that. Thanks for the info.

6/4

For the best race horse ever how did I manage to get 9/4 !!!

Hurrah, someone actually mentioned Alleged, forgotton hero of two Arc victories and vastly underrated.

Shouldnt of fell asleep in The Derby!

yep Frankel mollycoddled by Cecil, never beat a decent miler, never won outside UK, never got a course record time...yet people say "Frankel the Greatest", loved watching Frankel but no way can you give rate him as good as DB or STS.

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