History change if Monica Sele wasn’t stabbed…..

@@SingChan0218 you are just an idiot. She successfully defend all slam before Seles came into the scene. Remember the number 10-5 (lifetime h2h) During Seles peak (1991-93) it's still Steffi who leads their h2h (3-2).

Never thought of that. Good stat!

And achieved it all by the age of 29!

@dentist 2309, There are some who question her record because of the seles incident. And yes it was a horrible thing that happened however no one gave Steffi those wins she earned them. There were others who had victories over Steffi who had Their chances. I believe Arantxa Sanchez Vicario had at least two chances in two grand slams to beat Steffi. But in true form Steffi fought back and won. And that is because she is an amazing athlete in every sense of the word super fast a great serve and tremendous forehand. Then her nasty slice which some consider her weakness I think not. Not only can she use it so take you out of position it is also a offensive shot. Especially on the return where it comes at he opponent so low they struggle to return it. And that is why she has been able to accomplish what she has. Thank you for those stats I was aware of the first one but not the second. Aloha from Hawaii 🌸🌸🌸

The only player men or women who won at least every Major four times! No Court, no Navratilova, no Williams, no Federer, no Djokovic, no Nadal... This demonstrates her extraordinary versatility which had not reached any other player. Furthermore she is the only player men or women who achieved the "Super Slam" within one year - WTA Championship, Olympic Gold Medal and all 4 Majors 1987 (WTA Ch.) up to 1988 (Olympic Gold medal). Only two other players achieved a career "Super Slam" - Andre Agassi and S Williams.

The titles yes, but also the quality. Extreme quality and art while being sharply athletic.

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She retired much too early. I remember being stunned by her decision.

Because Seles was stabbed duh

Absolutely Graf is the best. Court passed the torch to Everett to Navratilova to Graf and so on. Graf was a class act her whole career. But unfortunately for her opposition, she was a straight out assassin on the court

In my opinion the best Navratilova was a Little stronger than Steffi on her best.

@@paologonzato5202 Did you watch Wimbledon 1988, 1989 and USopen 1989? Apparently not?

@@MrBjorn6 I think about Navratilova in 1983-84Won.Six consecutive majors

And I've loved Steffi more than you love her NOW.trust me🌹

Graf.

Powerful and beautiful!

Yes! ... rightly said.Both of them were equally great & overall H to H also stands at 9-9.

two of the greatests ever. in a time when wimbledon grasscourt were much faster than nowadays. what made it an overwhelming challenge for baseliners to win .cause there wasnt only one uniformed way of playing as it is today. the fast courts put serve and volleyers like martina clearly into the pole position. as the slow courts of paris favoured the baseliners. it was a battle of different playing systems, a battle of two generations and different personalities - and a battle between the two best payers ever. it was just unforgetable.

My favourite matches are between Steffi and Martina.

@@mcgoran100 you always got great videos.

si las de ahora no se le acercannn

She's in there for the greatest fine ever paid by a sports figure for tax evasion. $12 million dollars which includes the $7 million she stole from the German people, a $5 million dollar fine, and a $1-2 million donation to avoid going to jail. Yes, all of those ladies can only dream/nightmare about such records.

@@jm7804 She only paid a donation of 1.2 million Deutsche Mark (about $500,000 back then) to avoid a trial that would have embarrassing and - if convicted, if! - might have cost her more. No more fines, no threat of prison. You are a true s*** bag liar. The quintessential Selestial.

@@jm7804 Even though both newspapers are completely corrupt rags today they didn’t lie blatantly back then. So they definitely didn‘t write anything about such fines. You are really a lying s***bag!

@@jm7804 Steffi Graf never paid any fines, and she did not stole anything.

@@thomaskruck4474 I stated facts. Please do your research before you make yourself look even more foolish than you already have.

Yeah she loves playing with balls.

insane!! (although I read other players did it as well)

she often said 89 was better for her game wise than 88 despite a golden slam... she nearly won consecutive grand slams too that year and her average was the best for that year.. tennis nostalgia

@@somphonesouk2429 yeah she was some player .like when she beats Navratilova.

@@ianwilliamson2980 Although I was a Graf fan, it's amazing that Navratilova was able to compete with Graf although she was 12.5 years older. It shows what an athlete Navratilova was.

@@MrBjorn6 yeah Navratilova was one of the best ever really .

@@MrBjorn6 yeah it's because she had so many great shots and determination

Me too 👍🏾☝🏾 it was steffi Graf who made love Tennis and I kept following Tennis very closely until now and I still love it 🙏🏾

I think that there are many thousands of players who were inspirated like you!

Steffi never was a conventional beauty. But sexy as hell! 😍😛

Serena way better and would thrash her 6-0 6-1. Graf maybe 5th after Serena, Seles, Evert and Navratilova. And maybe Court

@@yussepig6629 Serena? Serena?? Who lost in slams to clowns like Razzano, Makarova, Lisicki, Stephens, Cornet, Vinci even in her 2013-15 peak years?🤣😂🤣😂🤣 You idyot.

I agree. She was amazing in 89.

@@mcgoran100 I think Steffi was more impressive in 1987 just losing 2 matches.

@@MrBjorn6 she was brilliant in 87 loosing only 2 matches and reaching the final of all the tournaments she played but she reached the final of 16 tournaments in 89 and lost 2 matches. She played her best tennis in 89 in my opinion.

1987-1989 best years for steffi

1988 Graf won not only the Grand-Slam but the Golden Slam, because she won Gold at the Olympics in Seoul.

But with all of Martian’s volleys etc Steffi is still better. Steffi went to the net so many times in both 88 & 89 and took Martina’s game away from her

What is even more impressive that she won the 3 historically most prestigious slams (FO, Wimbledon, USO) - which are played within 3 months each spring/summer - in the same year 4 times (1988, 1993, 1995, 1996). Winning on clay, turning around, winning on grass 4 weeks later, turning around, winning on fast hard court 8 weeks later! Helen Wills did it twice (1928 & 1929). Maureen Connolly did it once (1953). Margaret Court did it once (1970). Billie Jean King did it once (1972). > Until then the USO was played on grass as well. Martina Navratilova did it once (1984). Serena Williams did it once (2002). Steffi Graf did it FOUR times.

"If she would have been playing now, not retired quite yet, this would be her time." (Jennifer Capriati on Steffi Graf, Paris, May 2002) “She was the greatest champion I ever played against. …. What if she had kept playing? She would have won a lot more slams titles in my opinion.“ (Lindsay Davenport, Tennis Channel, March 2020)

I was 20 and was rooting for my era of course 😉

I was 18! I know how you feel! lol

Interestingly they were born and raised in the same European region, only 200 miles apart. Must have been something in the Rhine water.

Kareem is the goat But I never heard him yell it

@Napolein Meitai NO lol you know a SIMS?

I was always impressed by her comments in interviews. She never made excuses and was so honest. And though she did come to net, she always honestly said she wasn't all that confident doing it. She would have won so much more easily had she been able to volley a bit better. But she does it again in the US Open in big points in the 3rd set to defeat Martina once again. She always had trouble with Martina. She barely lost the semifinal to Martina in NY in 1991. Had she won, she would have defeated Seles in the final. Not a slam on Seles, just that Steffi always won over her on Hard Court.

She did occasionally and even Seles was fined for sticking her finger up to an umpire in Australia . Capriati was possibly the worst for swearing , at least Serena did not swear .

@@andrews6341 Thanks for your reply Loved the players that you mentioned Capriatti was a super player to watch Steffi was a ruthless gritty player Loved them all

Yeah, I was reading a comment on another graf video and they said she never used the top spin backhand

​@@cygnustsp not so often , some more and some more backhand training , there , .., surmisly she were even at least a bit better ^^

Please don't insult Steffi by comparing her to Loddar!

Navratilova was from a different era and was not as powerful as the others , especially with second serve .

What of Steffi‘s mechanics didn’t you like?

@@carrerau7138 if she played more open stance, had a more western grip on both sides. It’s not her fault, like Becker and most of that era she was taught by someone that used a wooden racquet

@@Largecanyondog If she had played with a more open stance she never would have been called “Fräulein Forehand“. Your approach to Steffi Graf is far too scholarly. She played how it came naturally to her. Thank God no coach tried to spoil that. Imagine she had fallen into the hands of Bolletieri…. < shudder> 😱

Gunther Parsche

@@yussepig6629 What is your problem ? Do you have right to give negative on my comment section ? Gunther Parche is you and your Father

@@yussepig6629 Bloody 3rd class Seles fan dog

@@yussepig6629 Gunther Parche is you. Your Prostitute Mother and Drama Queen Monica Seles, Serbian Witch plus Prostitute

@@yussepig6629 Do Seles ever win Wimbledon ? Olympic Gold Medal ?

I would agree. Serena has by a slight edge more grand slams but Stephi has more total tournament wins and a much better overall winning percentage. Was a much more consistent performer.

Yeah best ever

@@johniii8147 It took Serena 20 more slams to tie Steffi’s 22 slams and Steffi won her GS faster and she was younger than Serena was. Steffi to me is a complete player and I believe that Steffi at her best can beat any female player at their best.

Graf: only player to win Golden Slam, only player to win each Slam at least 4x, more weeks at No. 1 than any other player, and no significant player has a winning record against her. Of course she's the greatest of all time.

@@jeremyredding2251 well said my friend

Betul sekali mba eka... best rivalry lainnya chris-martina & steffi-gaby

​@@andreacapulco2949 kyknya Christ evert kurang suka ya dengan Graf? Setiap dia JD komentator selalu mendukung lawannya Graf, dia terus mendukung Navratilova Seles dan terakhir Hingis saat final RG 99'.

What are your thoughts on Raducanu and Fernandez?

well most just don't have the balance. if you want to see supreme footwork see Graf or Federer.

During Graf’s time still in 1999 the women became faster and more powerful and could beat Graf (who I love so much). Serena beat her at only age 17 and from then on the nature of the women’s game was already being revolutionized by the William Sisters (that’s the truth) with more power, more speed, athleticism, hitting the ball much earlier, standing in the baseline to return a serve with a winning return, strength from both forehand and backhand, the introduction of the Drive volley etc. If you followed tennis like I was in the 80s through to the 90s like I was, you’d understand the Revolution that was sweeping through the women’s game by the Williamses

@@kojoharrison630 Including the non-sanctioned match in HK, Graf defeated Serena the first two times they played. In the only match Serena won, Graf led by a break in the third set. Had Serena defeated Steffi all three times or defeated her decisively at least once, you'd have more of an argument, but Serena did NOT. ... Neither Serena nor Venus had the athletic ability to play like the men. By and large, the men center their games around the forehand and the ability to run around the backhand. They can do that even on clay because of superior footwork, agility, and forehands. As I said above, only Steffi achieved complete parity with the men's game because she had the athleticism to center her game around her forehand. That's the truth. Here's more of the truth: Serena, Venus, and today's women's game have an image problem. Too often, the women don't look like they are in the best shape. All the drive volleys and baseline bashing make for boring tennis. Steffi never had that problem. In all her videos, there is ample (sometimes spectacular) variety to her game and she always looks like the best athlete to have ever played the game.

@@LDVTennis As I said in my post I love Steffi and I loved her first before the Williams Sisters. Serena was only 16 and soon to be 17 when she played Steffi for the first time. Steffi was already well-established but you could see the emergence of the ‘New Order’ in women’s Tennis in the form of Serena and Venus and Graf was on her way out. Had she not retired the Williamses would have done to her what she did to Martina Navratilova. It was clearly a changing of the guard for all to see and everyone who matters in WTA recalls this emergence and the astonishing raising of the bar. The Williamses would have been too powerful for Steffi from both wings and they were much faster and returned every ball offensively while turning defence into ferocious attack all the time! They were studying in between trying to achieve Degrees and so stayed away from the tour periodically but when they returned they still beat everyone. As for the Williamses game being classed by you as boring, that’s your opinion and I don’t in a million years share it because they revolutionize the women’s game and all the WTA legends (BJ King, Navrat, Evert, Steffi herself, Davenport and all the commentators) always give credit where it’s due and they in no uncertain terms pronounce the Williamses (particularly Serena)as the best the women’s game has seen just by the sheer measure of their game style at their best and the fact that they changed the game completely!! These are the facts I’m sticking with because I witnessed it right from the beginning. I never thought My Steffi’s speed and athleticism could be bettered but truth is the Williamses proved it and changed the face of the women’s game. Anyway you take great care and stay safe 🙏🏾👍🏾❤️

Do you really think Graf in this form could compete with Serena Williams in 2012 at the Olympics at Wimbledon?

@@MrBjorn6 yes I do .Graff would beat her under normal circumstances

@Max E ok Smart pants they all know who I mean

@Max E grow up boy

@@MrBjorn6 whom did Serena beat in 2012 Olympic? Dopapova. Player like Dopapova will have 1 or 2 slams in Chrissy/ Martina or Steffi/Monica era. No way player like her can complete a career slam in other era.

Steffi appears quicker than any current player today by far--

@Max E it must have absolutely devastated her. I think though perhaps a little bit of the rot set in a bit earlier. She played a very poor Australian open by her standards, scraping though matches. When she had to take several months off in early 1990 due to the thumb injury she also apparently said that she was surprised how little she missed tennis. So many other players like her who've had amazing runs over several years then have a dip (happened to Serena, Federer, Djokovic, Navratilova...) It must take so much out of them on so many levels. No doubt though that the blackmail scandal made things a million times worse. Sadly, Steffi is still having problems with her family. Her brother Michael appears to have really lost it mentally and Steffi has had to apply to become his legal guardian.

wikipedia googletranslate 1990-1992: Press hype and a new rival Graf's unbroken dominance continued into April 1990. Between 1988 and the Australian Open in January, she won eight of the nine Grand Slam tournaments played. After her third win in Melbourne, Graf won in Tokyo, Amelia Island and Hamburg. She had not lost a game since the French Open final in June of the previous year. Graf's longest winning streak and their superiority meant that the expected victories were only measured by the number of games played or the total duration of matches. Pundits speculated on the few victories left to erase Navrátilová's record of 74 straight match wins. In the spring of 1990, father Peter Graf was targeted by the German tabloid press. The Bild newspaper claimed an affair with a nude model with whom he had fathered a child. At the height of these revelations, his daughter had to admit defeat at the German Open in Berlin for the first time to the young, up-and-coming Yugoslav Monica Seles. It was Graf's first loss after 66 straight wins, the second-longest winning streak of all time. Last year, at the age of fifteen, Seles brought Graf to the brink of defeat in the semifinals of the French Open. She became more and more a serious challenger for Graf, who also suffered an unusual number of defeats against other competitors during this time: in 1990 (in Melbourne against Mary Joe Fernández), 1991 (in Wimbledon against Gabriela Sabatini) and 1992 (again in Wimbledon against Monica Seles), Graf won only one Grand Slam tournament per year. The other Grand Slam titles went to Monica Seles in 1991 and 1992. On March 10, 1991, Graf had to hand over the lead in the world rankings to Seles for the first time. This was preceded by a defeat against her former doubles partner Gabriela Sabatini at the WTA tournament in Boca Raton (USA). The final of the Olympic tennis tournament in Barcelona in 1992 also brought a surprise: Graf, the overwhelming favorite, lost to the 16-year-old American Jennifer Capriati. However, Graf won three out of five games against Seles when she was number one in the world. btw wikipedia googletranslate : 1990-1992: Press hype and a new rival Graf's unbroken dominance continued into April 1990. Between 1988 and the Australian Open in January, she won eight of the nine Grand Slam tournaments played. After her third win in Melbourne, Graf won in Tokyo, Amelia Island and Hamburg. She had not lost a game since the French Open final in June of the previous year. Graf's longest winning streak and their superiority meant that the expected victories were only measured by the number of games played or the total duration of matches. Pundits speculated on the few victories left to erase Navrátilová's record of 74 straight match wins. In the spring of 1990, father Peter Graf was targeted by the German tabloid press. The Bild newspaper claimed an affair with a nude model with whom he had fathered a child. At the height of these revelations, his daughter had to admit defeat at the German Open in Berlin for the first time to the young, up-and-coming Yugoslav Monica Seles. It was Graf's first loss after 66 straight wins, the second-longest winning streak of all time. Last year, at the age of fifteen, Seles brought Graf to the brink of defeat in the semifinals of the French Open. She became more and more a serious challenger for Graf, who also suffered an unusual number of defeats against other competitors during this time: in 1990 (in Melbourne against Mary Joe Fernández), 1991 (in Wimbledon against Gabriela Sabatini) and 1992 (again in Wimbledon against Monica Seles), Graf won only one Grand Slam tournament per year. The other Grand Slam titles went to Monica Seles in 1991 and 1992. On March 10, 1991, Graf had to hand over the lead in the world rankings to Seles for the first time. This was preceded by a defeat against her former doubles partner Gabriela Sabatini at the WTA tournament in Boca Raton (USA). The final of the Olympic tennis tournament in Barcelona in 1992 also brought a surprise: Graf, the overwhelming favorite, lost to the 16-year-old American Jennifer Capriati. However, Graf won three out of five games against Seles when she was number one in the world. and btw Raju Saha @Michael Walker give Serena the same racquet that Steffi was using in that match, i bet Serena would lose that final to Martina. Pelm FBPNDD @Raju Saha with the same good training for her, circumstances ect, sure, martina navratilova is more talented than serena williams but is also tactically smarter, which in turn e.g. maybe that led to the fact that martina had refined her strokes and movement sequences a little less than she would/will do if she sees herself in more and more distress and or it would be tighter, I don't know where I would list , so far , martina in terms of talent , or rather so far not seen many vids to games with her but so far probably on 3 - 5, on 2 hanna mandlikova, on 3 maybe monica seles (difficult so far, with under because of her , at least about 1990 - 2000 , unusual for most players two-handed playing style (also she is more left-handed than right-handed) , .., wikipedia :" .. The 1.78m tall left-hander used both her forehand and backhand ambidextrous. More unusually, she didn't wrap around when changing sides. Given her ambidextrous playing style, Seles was able to play extreme angles play, which opens up the opposing field wide. The two-handed style of play also ensured a highly concealed execution of the shot, making it difficult to anticipate the shots. One of her trademarks was her powerful vocalizations when hitting hard shots. This characteristic has repeatedly caused controversy with opponents (among others Nathalie Tauziat, Martina Navratilova, Katerina Maleewa) who asked them not to do this during the competition. .. "

the main reason is may be widely unknown among international tennis fans. Grafs crises was caused by cracks in what had been her undestroyable fortress of emotional stability and mental strength. the place where she could leave behind outside pressure and expectations: the family. it was exactly the day before the final of the German Open 1990, when germany biggest tabloid let a bomb explode: "bild" headlined that peter graf had an affair with a young redlight destrict girl who was blackmailing him financially, threatening to make their affair public; additionally she (falsely) claimed being pregnant - what lead to a pictured tabloid headline on the frontpage: "is this steffis sweet little sister?" the affair dominated german press headlines and public for weeks - and caused cracks between steffis parents which eventually culminated into their divorce. It doesnt need much psychological insight to assume the affect on steffi. being unbeaten since 66 consecutive matches and on the reach to break the all time record of 72 consecutive wins, Graf lost the next day first time to monica seles in two sets - and also lost two weeks later in the french open final (where she wasnt able to close the first set although she had 5 consecutive setpoints. Reflecting some days later on that day, Steffi said: " i shouldnt have played the berlin final. physically i was on the court, but mindwise i was far away"".there is also an article on bleacher report, quoting steffi : "i did not just loose against seles. i lost against german press. i ll never stop hating these people who destroy my family for money". the longtime effect on Grafs game is documented by her match results: Steffi is not only loosing against monica. she is loosing to a lot of players . players who before didnt have any chance to win. Its the beginning of what culminates in loosing the number 1 position. the stabbing of monica seles by a deranged "fan" of steffi is tragic in multiple ways: tragic for monica who beytrayed of the chance to continue her unbelievable run of success .its tragic for us who were betrayed of an already prickling rivalery. and its also tragic for steffi who not only felt deeply shattered that this idiot was refering to her; she was also betrayed of the chance to show that this rivalery was may be far from being decided yet. she was betrayed of the chance to regain the top position by competition. Not many were and are aware of the fact that Steffi was in reach. At the time of the stabbing, she had permanently tightened the distance. If Graf would have won some weeks later the French Open, she would have been number 1 again.

Even served for the match…

Maybe. It's either Steffi or Serena.

@@yacovmitchenko1490 No, it's obvious that Serena has a lower dominance over the time - look at their titles on the WTA tour. Martina is on the second place of all time because of her incredible 175 titles!

@@yacovmitchenko1490 It is either Court, Navratilova or Steffi. Serena has nothing to do with this.

Serena way better except for racists

@@yussepig6629 Calling Court, Evert, Navratilova, Steffi racists is despicable. Go away!

In this final 62 % of Steffi‘s strokes were backhands, you clown.

No I don’t have that match. Sorry!

@Talcum Prime for you means age? You are about as stupid as a rock attempting to think. Medical and mental conditions are included in a smart person's calculations. Seles was #1 sure, but it's not like it was due to Steffi vs Seles H2H results: Steffi has that lead, easily. Plus Seles grunts got pretty loud and that distracted most players.

Seles took the number 1 when steffi's father had a scandal. That made a lot of negative impact on steffi in 1991

Since that is your worthless opinion, any positive opinions that you have on other players must ALL be more worthless.

absolutly not worthless at least in the end and the begin and and beyond , ..,

@@erikkusuma2206 that is to surmise and statisticle "speak for this guess

You talking about Evert? If so, lmao. 🤣

I'm also taking note of the fact that Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto is sitting next to the Duke of Kent. Bhutto would also die tragically ten years after Diana, but she was assassinated in 2007 at age fifty-four. She lived eighteen years longer than the Princess of Wales.

Seles way better

@@yussepig6629 5-10 H2H. Even 2-5 when Seles was #1. Seles is the most overrated player of the open era. I rate Hingis, Henin, even Venus superior to her in tennis abilities.

Martina won 7 of 10 matches between 85-87 when she was still at her peak. 9 of those matches Martina was still ranked number one.

@@mcgoran100 I think she peaked from 82 to 85 and faded gradually thereafter

@@rayjacques8850 I think she was still a better player than Steffi in those years though. 85 and 86 definitely. 2 of the best ever.

Navratilova was 5-1 win/loss against Baby Steffi in 1985/86. But 2-6 in 1987-89, still among her peak years (which were 1982-89). Later Martina won two more, end-H2H was indeed 9-9. 16 of those 18 matches were played on Martina‘s favorite fast surfaces (whereas most Graf-Seles matches for instance were played on slow surfaces). Martina avoided playing Steffi on slow surfaces after her loss to a 17-year-old Steffi on the FO‘s clay surface in 1987.

@@rayjacques8850 4 years peak only? That would be an extremely short peak for a great player with a 22-year-long career, no?

Because it is prohibited now.

And she used it perfectly - winning 8 slams during Steffi‘s deep slump in the early 90s.

Steffi with a tank top…… ❤

German commentators always spoke of Steffi and Navratilova.

Full version is all over YT

@@jl3322 no it's not- I've only found ones that omit the 3rd set. Please send me a link if you've found the whole match.

I never understood the hate Steffi's nose got. Yes, it was bigger than average. But it gave her the look of a real fighter despite her otherwise very soft and feminine face.

Navratilova made extremely few errors in this match. Get your eyes examined, girl!

What was wrong with that handshake?

Lori McNeil was not seeded when she should have been for Wimbledon in 1994. The betters were tired of seeing Graf win so they gave her a tough opponent in the first round to make the sport more democratic. Neither Chris nor Martina ever had to face such a tough player in the first round. This was not fair to Steffi, but she won again the following two years. McNeil lost to the eventual champion in the semi-finals, so what does that tell you.

John Barrett I think did acknowledge Benazir Bhutto in the BBC edition of this match.

Bouto, right.....

@Max E . Steffi Graf looks more attractive now than she did when she was on the women's pro tennis tour, but her nose is too large which takes away from the attractiveness of her face. Although Martina's face, even back in 1984, has a somewhat bland look to it, she still looked pretty damned sexy back then compared to Graf!

@Max E . As the old expression goes, "To each his own"!

@Max E Who cares what the majority of people think on this topic! I certainly don't! And obviously you have not taken a poll on this question! As the old and accurate expression goes, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"!

@Max E That's a typically dumb assertion on your part since it is a total assumption with no firm evidence to support it! You erroneously ASSUME that most people care what other people think and that 95% of people think that Graf is more attractive than Navratilova! A totally baseless assumption on your part!