1990 06 13 Dispatches: The AIDS Catch Channel 4. HIV does not cause AIDS & other challenges.

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3 жыл бұрын

This is one of a number of strange ideas that were circulating from the early days; HIV doesn't cause AIDS, what today in 2022 we might call 'Fake News'.
I remember AL721 the "real" cure for AIDS that turned out to be egg white. Along with many other crazy suggestions it was very sad to talk with scared, frightened and desperate people looking for a cure. Some turned to religion, which took over their whole lives, and others to this kind of denial. The problem is that the arguments which might have had some merit, got lost in the anger, fear and posturing of the way these ideas were presented.
Watch this along side both Right to Reply programmes.
The one for this programme: • 1990 06 16 Right To Re...
and the AZT one: • 1992 03 28 Right to Re...
You can read about Prof. Duesberg here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_D...
Wikipedia describes the director/producer - Joan Shenton:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Sh...
"Shenton is well known as a prominent HIV/AIDS hypothesis critic; in 2012 investigative health journalist Brian Deer wrote for The Guardian that she "comes across as the queen of denial".[1] Shenton has no medical or scientific training. Yusef Azad, director of policy and campaigns at the National AIDS Trust summarized Shenton's views as "scientific illiteracy" and conspiracy mongering.[10]"

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@jokerbatman119 9 ай бұрын

It is true that for those drug addicts , my country scientists did some research before, found out that drugs(etc:nacortin...) actually weaker human immune system , first many drugs found out to be a serious and major cause of weakening a human immune system, that is why for those drug addict , they are very easy to feel sick, most of the time you find them fatigue, skinny, very easy to be infected by viruses or bacterias and get sick.

@italianstallion9170 Жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to find out if the people on this claiming to be positive of HIV but no illness, KS but not HIV, etc. did they live on with hiv, didn't have it to begin with or what?

@ATMBonnie_ Жыл бұрын

2 of those men died . Michael Callan died in 1993 . He was featured in the movie Philadelphia , he’s singing at costume party .

@meropealcyone 2 жыл бұрын

Sadly, Michael Callen and Ron Webeck both died of AIDS related complications in 1993.

@ATMBonnie_ Жыл бұрын

Michael Callan died in 1993 . He was featured in the movie Philadelphia , he’s singing at costume party . Although , he was able survive for over a decade which was rare, he still struggled with bouts of PCP and other opportunistic infections and eventually succumbed to the virus at the age of 38. He worked alongside Dr Sonnabend, and R Berkowitz to create the first safe sex pamphlets . Mind you at this time he was a believer in the multi factor theory , basically saying no virus existed that caused AIDS, it was the result of an overloaded beat down immune system due to the many repeated infections including ,STI, hep c, CMV, HPV, parasites ,shingles . Michael was a beautiful young man inside and out from what I have seen and read -- I just read “How To Survive A Plague” by David France hence the additional insight

@nickygreenfingers 10 ай бұрын

After all that Michael Callan said about the life he was living then most people only feel comfortable blaming a virus, it’s definitely not influenced by all the money thats generated 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@magnus1001 6 ай бұрын

Why are so many of these comments cut off?

@jermen5137 28 күн бұрын

Best question yet.

@cathyshort Ай бұрын

How very wrong they were!

@Mr.Majestic77 Жыл бұрын

Sadly, there were a LOT of people with HIV in the 1980s & early 1990s that took this idea seriously and went into denial that they had HIV, stopped taking AZT (with somewhat good reason due to it's high dosage toxic effects) and their HIV progessed to AIDS, eventually passing away due to AIDS-related complications. HIV was so mysterious and scary in the 1980s and mass serio-convertions initially started North America in the 1970s, but on the 70s HIV was even thought of, but was present. Doctors and scientists, in the 1980s, were struggling to find out how people got HIV/AIDS (formerly ARC/GRID) or how it could be possibly cured, along with the phobia and political red tape that surrounded it.

@stevencorrea8032 Жыл бұрын

Now that UV-C is at ground level what is this doing to all the virus on earth ?

@FML2610 Жыл бұрын

The are no misterious viruses but misterious virologists...

@jwm3038 8 ай бұрын

Stopping AZT mono therapy wasn't necessarily an irrational decision for many people. Because HIV develops resistance to single drugs fairly readily, AZT by itself only worked for 6-12 months and then became ineffective and the disease resumed its relentless progression. It was only when it was combined with at least two other antiretrovirals from the mid 1990s on that there was a truly effective treatment for HIV/AIDS.

@neilgrigg7972 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder how many people watched this and thought there's no need for safe sex.

@ShamrockParticle 2 жыл бұрын

to this day people still think it's a non-issue. because "it's treatable" and ignorant of the issues surrounding cocktails of drugs and other complexities.

@Nah.ImCool Жыл бұрын

@@ShamrockParticle Exactly.

@0000YumYum0000 Жыл бұрын

Sad

@peterkennett7594 2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure that this was well meaning at the time, but, with hindsight, has turned out to be totally misguided. Yes, it's true that HIV does not always develop into AIDS, but it soon became apparent that in most people's immune systems, the virus worked away at the CD4 cells on a continuous path.untill they were almost entirely depleted. The lower the cell count dropped, the greater the chance of opportunist infections. In my own case, I was asymptomatic for 25 years, and my CD4 count had dropped to 46 before the sh** hit the fan. Thankfully, our understanding developed, and AIDS is no longer a death sentence, but a chronic manageable condition. Trust me, you don't want it.

@jeeplife2035 2 жыл бұрын

Now days young gay men want HIV known as bug chasers. They feel like it’s a right of passage as a gay man and do not fear this disease any longer. Bare back parties are a constant theme now and no one tells their hiv status nor wear condoms. It’s astounding to see where this fear started and where it is now. Gay men want “ the gift” so they can be liberated to have more sex with more men without worrying about hiv/aids as it’s manageable now days. It’s sad to see this trend in young gay men these days.

@ethanbarry789 2 жыл бұрын

I still recommend condom

@spartantroy3920 2 жыл бұрын

How to manage ..with drugs?

@ethanbarry4736 Жыл бұрын

Even so condoms should be worn and no drug user as in injection needles into each other’s blood

@yemalad1. 2 жыл бұрын

It's easy to criticise this programme with the benefit of hindsight, but this was early in the outbreak, and the scientific and medical community had little understanding of the disease at that time.

@serinadelmar6012 Жыл бұрын

11 years in technically.

@ColonizersBlow Жыл бұрын

There’s a debate follow up to this on Right to Reply. They knew plenty by then.

@goldenaura949 Жыл бұрын

Peter Duesberg is a college professor at UC Berkeley and still till this day is a denialist.

@alexisvega7964 Жыл бұрын

Si la comunidad científica tenía poco conocimiento, cómo es que afirmaron desde 1984 qué el ViH causaba sida?, antes de hacer esas declaraciones tuvieron que comprobar su hipótesis. Tan mal estaban esas hipótesis qué Luc Montagnier tuvo que reconocer que el ViH por si solo es incapaz de causar sida, montagnier fue el que descubrió el virus vih

@aids_archive Жыл бұрын

From Google Translate: "If the scientific community had little knowledge, how come they affirmed since 1984 that HIV caused AIDS? Before making these declarations they had to verify their hypothesis. These hypotheses were so bad that Luc Montagnier had to recognize that Hiv alone is incapable of causing AIDS, Montagnier was the one who discovered the hiv virus” And the debate goes on - in the meantime I’ll just deal with the realities of life today. (Y el debate continúa; mientras tanto, solo me ocuparé de las realidades de la vida actual.)

@dianagwinn8143 2 жыл бұрын

Follow the money.qround 32:21.

@P.P718 9 ай бұрын

Big pharma likes money .

@nozislam 2 жыл бұрын

Damn, this should have never been able to air.

@aids_archive 2 жыл бұрын

There are a few programmes where people are given the time and space to view their perspectives. You don't hear from most of them today!

@zsuira 2 жыл бұрын

Why not ?

@sarahmiller4734 2 жыл бұрын

A lot of the same "science for the stupid" as there is with Covid today. Predicted cases have only been half what was predicted - maybe because people took action!

@judithcohn7878 8 ай бұрын

I agree when nobody really understood HIV back then… they. We’re talking like they knew the facts when they really had no clue, only what they thought was true.

@catalinbrunariu7448 Жыл бұрын

I Have Aids but i m HIV negative

@drifta1167 Жыл бұрын

How is that possible?

@nedalsaleh1298 Жыл бұрын

Really !!!

@cookiain Жыл бұрын

Really?

@chrislord9247 Жыл бұрын

I would check your thymus. Especially for any infection in particular any parasite.

@_letstartariot 8 ай бұрын

I doubt it. You could have any number of other medical conditions that cause you to pick up opportunistic diseases.

@jackbrown4120 2 жыл бұрын

I bet this gave false hope to loads of people who had hiv.

@judithcohn7878 8 ай бұрын

I think it did. I don’t believe anyone back then really understood anything about HIV and AIDS

@_letstartariot 8 ай бұрын

I want to ask some of these people what made them so confident in their HIV-denialism that they’d talk about it with their full chest on TV? HIV being the cause of AIDS is objective reality, like gravity and germ theory. It’s just a fact. What was it like being so wrong, and how much harm do they think they caused spreading HIV denialism?

@julieann4616 Жыл бұрын

That was comical when they thought poppers (amyl nitrate) caused AIDS. Even a child could comprehend how absurd that proposition was. Duesberg is STILL holding onto to his preposterous theories. 😂😂

@PIANOSEEDS Жыл бұрын

No one said poppers caused AIDS. It has been shown to be associated with Kaposi's sarcoma.

@Skunkhunt_42 4 ай бұрын

Pretty sure his opinion on that isn't that black/white. Seems like he thinks they are more of a contributor to one's likelihood to manifest a particular immune state and symptomology.

@danielhooper502 2 жыл бұрын

I hope no one took this propaganda seriously

@danielstuparu9195 2 жыл бұрын

I have aids but hiv negative

@kellyobrien5380 2 жыл бұрын

As I'm watching this, I was wondering if anyone has commented on this so far. 😦I also hope everyone is not taking this seriously either.

@MrLittlewasp 2 жыл бұрын

covid 30yrs ago

@MrSpudguncat 2 жыл бұрын

Only crazy healthy people will, time for your booster!

@jesterprivilege 2 жыл бұрын

@Zockblatt Shickleblender aids existed before HIV, you don't need a virus to have aids. African AIDS is from malnutrition, American AIDS is more from heavy drug usage. Also you cannot find the HIV in semen.

@siobhanblake9150 8 ай бұрын

What an unscientific and irresponsible documentary. I hope people didn't believe this, and decided not to be careful because they believed this is fact