You've clearly never studied her clothing. Westwood has NEVER made clothes in sweat shops. Her clothes are beyond seasonal fashion. You can go and buy a shirt of hers from the 70s and it's still high fashion.

​@@fullredplatinum Regularly didn't pay her workers the minimum wage...

She's a hypocrite..she was a punker in the 70s where all she did was also for attention seeking..joke that she's pretending to be too posh and important now 😂

So was Westwood!!

This is what you get when people in the rag trade are taken seriously as cultural commentators, Malcom McLaren was exactly the same, full of self importance. Her gear is now available only to people with more money than sense. Nothing wrong with a pair of jeans.

i know

I thought I was the only one confused lol

I mean def something wrong if they’re fast fashion (exploitative production, designed to last < 1 year). I think she’s def being hypocritical/ lofty, but the points she is making about fast fashion aren’t untrue, either.

What she's saying is that people are not outraged for the right reasons. Companies are selling fast fashion exploiting trends and this is sitting right with people. On the other hand, they're outraged by vevienne's brand even tho she believed in individualism and self-expression and style through clothes. Can't believe you just focused on a spoken "i am/i am not" contradiction and missed the whole point.

LOL 😂

The spice girls destroyed true girl power

I was a bit miffed that they released Wannabe a week before I was due to stay in an apartment complex in Majorca, with a nightly poolside disco that you could hear in the apartments.

@@annother3350 If the Spice Girls destroyed true girl power then it wasn't that powerful.

My reading of it was that she was outraged by this type of ubiquitous mediocrity which was a cash grab targeted at children.

bollocks. the spice girsl was fake bullshit foisted on young girls as role models

she was working class, though...

It’s not, it’s anti conformity and slightly anti capitalist views being preeched that we shouldn’t all just be put into one box to make it easier for big business profit margins to go up. Look at where we are 20 odd years later paying £120 for a pair of cheap tatt Nike’s that probably cost about a tenner to make. She was kinda predicting the future. And it’s very rare working class folk are classist, it’d just be stupid because they’d be attacking themselves

Vivian Westwood 😂 where are you from 😂

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On Spotify, "Wannabe" was the most streamed 1990s song by a female group or artist in 2022. So it's definitely had staying power.

The spice girls may have been made into a marketing machine, they themselves would say they sold out under their management at the time. However I think for you to say the music lacked depth and substance because it hasn't trended on tiktok or twitter is ridiculous. The Spice Girls wrote about the importance of friendship, safe sex, the dangers of fame etc. I dont think those topics lack substance. Their music resonated with a generation of (majority) young girls and women and their girl power ethos was many young girls first experience or exposure to a form of feminism. The spice girls legacy doesn't solely lie on the songs, it lies on impact and impression on the youth of the 90s. To write them off is a mistake, I went to their tour in 2019 and there were three generations of fans there. Everything from children up to grandmothers. I see gen z out in the street wearing spice girls t shirts, I saw Melanie C at a festival last year, loads of the youth of today singing along to the couple of spice girls hits she performed in the setlist. They may not have been a tiktok trend yet but they can sell out of a stadium tour one member down and are an influence on girl groups on female artists to this day. You wouldnt have artists like Adele or bands like Blackpink without the spice girls, both acts heavily influenced and inspired by them.

there music was shite ..they were a 10 year old girls fad !

Just because their not trending on tik Tok and twitter does not mean they do not resonate with future generations . I just started listening to them and their music is great if you don’t like it that’s you- sincerely a gen Z now have a great day boomer

@@Invi-fv7dd that's so great you like over rated generic formulaic terrible music of the spice girls. Thats on you.

Exactly. She made punk into pop culture and all the real punks hated it.

@@90sHONEY Actually, she turned away from "Punk" when it became clear that they didn't actually care about changing the World. It was corporations and marketeers who commercialized punk,, not Westwood. Some punks kept going as is and some moved on. You're talking out of your ass.

That’s exactly what made them so successful

Yep, trouble is nowdays all things relative they aint so bad 😢

Victoria Beckham loved Vivienne she went to Vivienne's funeral

​@@cherylbaker4290 Geri loves Vivienne too

Im amazed the Spice Girls didn't respond to this.

That popular culture is a contradiction in terms. Culture can never be popular because it takes taste and time and effort and if something is popular it can never be considered culture. Vivienne is talking about mass marketing, consumerism and the progaganda of advertising to promote products as lifestyle. She's actually correct. We are trained to be consumers and always wanting the next thing. She later explains that manufacturers don't want to produce complicated garments, there's no money in it, they want machines that can be programmed to churn out mass manufactured garments of simplistic design because there are less overheads in their production.

@@catschorus4684 I can agree with that element... that consumerism and capitalism destroys individuality, but one of the things that the Spice Girls did very well was actually showcase a group of very different, individual women who had different looks, personalities and interests... it allowed young women to not only feel empowered but also to identify with one of the women as well. Yes the group became commercial, and I can agree that they had limited talent that they were able to market very well, but they wrote their own music for the most part and broke away from the management that tried to control them so they could be in charge of their own careers. I don't see anything wrong with that as a role model for women and girls in that time. Also, they were really the ONLY female led group at the time they were formed... it was all about boy bands and individual artists, like Madonna, Janet and Whitney.

@@graphiquejack All the other waffle aside - just the music part. Just an actual song. They provided vocals. What else? Nothing. Ok - singers. Mediocre at best. Writing - they're given writing credits. Lyrics? Music? I'd love to know how much input they really had. Every track on three albums has other writers. The people that are the real talent probably? I don't see a lot of difference between them and say Vengaboys. They were big for 2-3 years and that's it - gone. They were attractive, fun, they could dance a bit fronting well produced pop. I don't know about the empowerment gimmick. What's their message? What if you don't make it as a pop star? None of them could've been anything else. I don't think they are a great example to anyone. I take it they all would've been school drop-outs - or went to dance / drama school etc I'm actually a bit of a fan and I really like a few of their songs and I know the bridge to Wannabe. Who Do You Think You Are is fantastic. I just see them for what they were. Another pop group.

@@moaningpheromones Dont you remember the silly girl power movement they were the face off while showing their arses in skimpy outfits? I'm not surprised theyre the antithesis of anything vivienne westwood is about.

What she is saying is that the Spice Girls are just a tool that is used by big business to control the culture of consumerism thru a fake lifestyle.

another one who just doesn't get VW at all and how she says things ... and they were crap !

I know I know 😂

thank god someone else understand what she was about, these comment are hilariously dumb!

BS

​@@PhilClaffeyNot BS at all. Someone doesn't read up on their history. Go back and look up news articles and newspapers at that time.

Talking about spice girls, they were representing nothing but a great bullshit, to me and to many other people at the time, not only for Vivian Westwood. Must say i'm only european, not german-I like only the german names.

An honorary degree means nothing.

⁠@@BLTKellys it does it means you have done something that has changed/ impacted the world or a school and in the case of Geri it was the world case closed 😘

hello...duh !

@Love♥️✨ Yes, she was "hip and rebellious" and one of the most talented and influential designers in history. She also spent her last year's campaigning on social issues. What the hell is wrong with that? Your comment was moronic. I take great pleasure in knowing that an imbecile like you will do nothing with your life. You will contribute nothing. I also take pleasure in knowing that you will never forget my words.

I don't like their music and I was born in 1970 so I remember when they first came out I thought they were all pretty and funny but I never liked their music

I hear what you’re saying about VW. But as far as fashion-statements go Spice Girls will only be remembered for Geri’s iconic Union Jack dress, which was a great idea but was unoriginal & the idea was ‘borrowed’ from the 1960s. Members of The Who wore similar Union Jack blazers during their Mod heyday.