And the only useful thing is that Reddit link that's dark.

hilarious. Sad, aweful, but still pretty hilarious

SOO many paywalls

Google is desperate to censor

They've even encorporated ChatGPT into Quora now, which is even more bizarre. If no one else answers your question, let's hope it's sober enough to even follow what you asked, today. Lol

It's been like this for years tho

​@@TheExileFox no it hasn't

Who didn’t see this coming though.

@@alexjustalexyt1144 So, industrialization and AI era doesn't look the same for you? Everything for profit no matter how many lives would be ruined

ASM Kalrizion "we've reached the point of the internet where its no longer run by the hobbyists who want to keep everything up no matter what, now the internet is run by corporations who can just toss aside 20 years worth of history just because it costs a bit of money" TRUE

"bean counters"??

@@knopfir It's (admittedly archaic) American slang for accountants and executives who care only for profits.

Well, for now I can still find high quality guitar tutorials for free (unless you count ads), so I'll enjoy it while it lasts

Pretty unfortunate that nothing lasts forever, only to delay inevitable and start a new cycle of things.

@@Andyanddiana467 It almost sounds like a slur in hilarious fashion. God, I hope you don't mind if I use it next time.

You reap what you sow

@@redbullsauberpetronas Oh yeah, now it all makes sense.

​​​@@SendyTheEndless how does it not make sence? That is basically the essence of all history lessons. It's only that you dont recapitulate that. The terms cybernetic and industrial military complex are around since both world wars. That people helped to dissolve society is a side effect of having voted entertainment over education. And what drives entertainment besides selling alcohol tobacco and guns, now the greatest killers on earth?

@@a.tevetoglu3366 Well now you've explained what you mean beyond a one line truism, I completely agree with you. That isn't anything to do with what I nor most people wanted, though. We don't live in a democracy, the plan moves forward however we vote with our ballots and our money. If voting could steer the course of history we wouldn't be allowed to do it. People don't want this though they do seem to be growing more complacent about it. At this stage, though, can you really blame them?

@@SendyTheEndless that is not how Martin Luther King or the anti Vietnam Movement would have stated it, nor would Eisenhower had approved such fatalism, that is why he warned all citizen. The corpocrats on the other hand count on this weakening pessimism while they are scared shitless of the idea that people could discover how they were tricked.

You're not crazy, I've noticed it too. I can't find anything anymore.

use alternatives, dependence on Google harms us all

I was trying to find what a hibachi grill is called and couldn’t get anything but pages of ads and shopping. Google is nothing but an ad now.

It works as an dictionary now. Smh

What alternatives? Duckduckgo never finds stuff, Bing is really random what's left? Google can still most of the time find stuff, but it also depends on what you're looking for. This last part is very important but often missed

You don't actually own those things, and what exactly is physical music? You may purchase a plastic disk that contains a digital format of music, but you technically only own the plastic and that is debatable as well. There are fewer and fewer things you can actually own, and I mean physical, tangible items like cars and washing machines. But we keep on paying huge sums of money for them and pretending we own them. About the only thing we are allowed to buy and own is trash.

@@RoySATX Please don't do this, we know what they mean. We're not talking specifics of what it philosophically means to own anything, we're talking about what it means to not have history erased from whole swaths of the internet just because it's convenient to sell more ads and subscription services to people ad nauseum. Come on now!

​@@RoySATX one of the stupidest and most ignorant arguments ive ever heard. if you own a CD, you own the CD. including everything thats on it. you can legally sell it, trade it, buy it, modify it, anything your heart desires. all except infringing on copyright. thats it.

@@RoySATX You're talking semantics. When you purchase a soundtrack by a music artist, you own that disc. There are no ifs, ands, or buts. Even if those songs vanished off all platforms, so long as you keep that CD you'd still have those songs. That's the primary point of "ownership" of music. It's the same deal as my vinyl records (except they're waveforms on a giant disc that the record needle directly plays from...). A good difference example is digital vs physical video games. If you read the info, buying digital doesn't mean you own that copy of the game. You paid for a license to play. When you purchase a physical copy of the game, you own that copy.

You own if you have control over it. That's it.

"do not post with your real name on the internet"

Yeah hopefully my old accounts from when I was 12-13 get deleted so I don't have to live with all the embarrassing shit I did.

​@@skyjelly9790 I mean, it takes a minute to learn a few things. I remember arguing with someone once.... I was a teency but out of line. 😅

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

My dad let me haveva Gmail user when I was 8. I’m so glad my Google+ account got purged.

There will always be an effective ad-blocker. The real trouble will be when the people you like listening too value money over message. We are irradiated by adverts, a lot of them don't make themselves known.

i'm glad i've been downloading all the niche unpurchasable songs i like. if there's one thing the internet is good for, it's sharing art at least.

Brave Browser maybe

i'll keep downloading everything of interest i can out of internet.

I mean, honestly, back then it was mostly just watching TV, which was essentially what KZfaq is nowadays, in terms of how frequent and long the ads are. So, not really a lot has changed.

Ye tbh going back to being more small independent fourm based internet wouldn’t be to bad

Yeah, this is what I want too. The trick will just be finding them through the crap.

It’s how the internet should’ve always been. None of these degenerate fandoms and cultures that pervert everything good and decent.

​@Nevirate communities based around fanatical devotion were an inevitability. It came free with our biological religious instinct.

@@Its.Some.Guy. We don't have a "religious" instinct, we do have tribal instincts though. Many humans have a need to find a community or "tribe" with which they belong, be that religion, sports, politics, internet fandoms, family, and whatever else. I just don't want someone reading your comment to get the wrong idea that religion is somehow a biological imperative, when in reality religion is just a manifestation of a baser desire.

and someone will turn this into mess in the end again

​@CamelliaFlingert they'll have to do it a lot. Look up the incompetence of the CIA vs pirate Bay users, or just have a peek into the Linux community

I don’t think we need big infrastructure or the perfect, robust algorithms to do this. It’s more about everyday users committing to building their own search index, with proper categories and tags. Having the human in the loop is important, no matter how the data is in future implemented. While many concerns need more technical solutions, the only way to start is helping others to participate and find value in the currently existing alternatives.

I was kind of in the mindset that there should be a main, international internet coupled with separate local internets, or something. But, I'm not sure how that could really be implemented as a separate system.

@@CamelliaFlingert And when that happens, We'll rebuild it again Empires fell and were rebuilt hundreds of times throughout history. Who says this internet crisis won't follow the same pattern The internet is relitivly new, so we don't have the history to back us up, but if we can rebuild the internet, *that* will become history. We already have history telling us what went wrong the first time, so we'll be able to rebuild the next one better and stronger The internet is a fantastic, world-wide experiment, possibly one of the biggest experiments humanity has ever and will ever preform. And like any good experiment, it's going to have countless trials and faliures and failures and *failures*, until one day, hopefully, we land on something that works. Or we won't. Even if there's not a perfect solution in the distant future, humanity will continue to fight for the weird, wonderful version of the internet. This generation of passionate internet users could be the first to do so It could crash and burn in a million different ways, but we still have to try

You're wrong about it being illegal, it's only illegal if the copyright holder prohibits it. Kevin MacLeod's music is royalty free, for example.

@@PsychopathUltimate macleod in question can literally end the internet right here and now lol, we're so lucky he hasn't been converted to evil by like a sterotypical evilization ray or somethienggrgorogo

Proper answer: yes, it can and should be preserved.

Can you preserve anything tho? Digital or Real, time always finds a way to make everything new, be it an object, a language, or an idea.

@@victorvaz3693 are you talking about failures of HDDs? This problem is solved by hosting data at different locations at once.

I first discovered such cycle in MMORPGs. Now I see it everywhere.

There is only 2 genders

agree with all of this. this video reminded me that i should finish my neocities site. sucks how deep we are in the cycle, but eventually we'll be at stage 1 again and the internet will rise to be better again, i hope

That's why even when people yell and rave about Rumble or UBlock or Firefox I view them with caution. Any place with devoted fanatics is going to be able to take advantage of them eventually.

Protesting does work very well, but it does also involve a mental strenght that few - if any - actually posess. If you are on Reddit, for example, the best way to protest would be to simply delete your account and never look at anything on that website again. There's absolutely nothing that Reddit leadership or anyone else could do to prevent you from doing that. Of course, it only works out if enough people end up doing that, but this is not a good excuse. Someone has to start, and if you're the one who starts, you no longer need to worry about anything. You did your part, now it's up to others to do theirs, and wether or not they do it, along with any consequences, is entirely their problem and doesn't need to concern you anymore. It is the same with other websites like KZfaq. You want to protest against KZfaq and all the shady shit that Google's doing with this website? Just delete your account, never visit this website ever again. This is where the mental strength thing comes in. You see that I am still here, despite being greatly dissatisfied with Google and how they handle things on KZfaq. It is probably similar for you and many others, who *know* that the only right decision would be to leave but still can't do it. The corporations also know that most of us are - tbh - weak af, and that is why they are so confident. We can complain and cry and moan about everything that's wrong 24 / 7 for years or even decades, but at the end of the day, we'll still be here, and us being here is the only thing they'll ever give a shit about. Doesn't matter to them wether or not we actually enjoy being here as long as we still continue to choose to be here.

cry about it

"people"

I have noticed that the internet stopped being people-centered and started becoming only profit-centered about 10 years ago. When Google search results started showing me more "buy this and that" options then answers to my questions. It only got worse from that point. I can't find almost anything on google now without adding "reddit" or "stackowerflow" at the end.

​@@accountnew7030Edgy edgelord is edgy. 😂😂😂

@@accountnew7030 enjoy being used as a pawn by corporations then i guess

I'm glad that I've used Firefox for well over 15 years now. Never did like chrome. Had a bunch of people try and convert me, but I held fast. Bonus, I have access to ublock origin, which blocks youtube ad's. For now anyways.

What you are lamenting has a word: lack of class consciousness, or technically 1. awareness among the people that they have certain common interests (many of which are being found against by larger forces), 2. Awareness of their position in the economic system, and 3. the need and potential the come together and use their power to change things. In this case people lack it because they are either ignorant that the internet is becoming so corporatized or feel powerless in doing anything about it/don’t know how they might go about working to change things. The solution is that we need more people talking about how we are all being screwed in any case like this, but also what power we do hold and how we can act on changing things, aka raising class consciousness. Now you can call me a spooky Marxist for saying all this, this was one of his ideas anyways. I’m not even really the biggest Marxist personally and I feel like most of Leftism is missing a lot of stuff I’d like to see in it, but a lot of the ideas are really powerful so just take what you like. Also the most difficult thing is really bringing the ideas down to earth and translating them into actual effort and action.

@@cyruswilliams2766 it is a shame that Firefox is too far-away for most people to reasonably learn it, like switching from android to apple, it is something which may only help you a little at the start, but as time goes on it becomes harder to switch, as one of the services collapsed around you.

​@@wow-roblox8370 You're acting like Firefox is some strange esoteric technology that nobody knows. It's a web browser.

@@KnzoVortex No, Marxism will not fix this issue. Nobody gives a shit about who owns the factory.

That is called "digital amnesia" - look it up.

Ever since Christianity became a thing, governments have been in the business of erasing the past, burning down libraries, and even destroying ancient monuments like the Ishtar gate in Iran.

Discord never truly deletes your account though. They just call it "deleted user (string of numbers)". They have access to your account, everything you say, bad and good.

I never heard about this wtf?? I recently switched accounts but in 2 years all my good memories are just gone???

iirc starting from mid 2023 It turns inactive accounts without any login for 2 years into [deleted user][strings]. and there is a dm limit of activity/number where peoples chats disappear from your view, but the messages should still exist. (afaik the dm limit is around 100, and inactive dms from the bottom of your list start disappearing over time, unless the user hasnt been deleted yet and/or they are friended with you) only fix once it disappears is if you can find the user again in a server you shared maybe identify from messages they sent, click on their profile and click message. or if they havent been deleted yet, you can also find the user through the new mobile app's user search and click the message button. this brings up the dm into view. (assuming you know their identification tag). so to clarify, inactive dms at the bottom of your dm list slowly disapear, especially if they arent friends with you/a deleted user, but the messages still exist. the dm will likely be removed from view eventually, unless you find a way to show the dm again, or if you manage to keep the dm active. if you ask me, there was ZERO point in doing this and this is likely a result of discord removing #0000 tags . btw Google is doing the same 2-year deletion with inactive emails.

You're getting at investment capital, which I believe to be a massive problem. It's a form of indebtness, a rented exchange. The rented exchange is a conflicting exchange between classes of property owners. The point of free exchange was to be one and done, to get away from the perpetual indebted exchange of the rentier economy.

The thing is, how is it going to work out with angry users that expect from 2 decades for everything to be free? People are just going to pirate and find work arounds for inconveniences tbh

​@@mykaruest3620 My guess is those companies will A/B-test the prices to keep just enough good little customers around and remain in business. Personally, I believe we greatly over-estimate customer agency, and under-estimate customer complacency. Only time will tell.

We now have an entire generation of people who have grown up on a internet that wasn’t financially viable and bow we are starting to see it fall

Well, they never made much money outside of ads, which are essentially speculative investments from other companies. And now that ads are dying, the last of the "investor" money is drying up, and the companies have to try other methods.

You can't really just not care about the law, you can't really just ignore a lawsuit.

Unless you are a british royal who is a creep

​@@plebisMaximus piracy websites don't really care about the law either

Russians: Let us introduce ourselves.

@@nottheboc1498 "There is no crime if you don't get caught."

Honestly, it seems like a better idea than trying to scroll for hours to get past all of the ads on google.

"Lunarpunk and the Dark Side of the Cycle" helped inspire me to start working on some decentralized solutions myself. Some of the origins of Bitcoin lie in Hashcash, which was intended to prevent spam by adding a computational cost to send messages. The rebuttal to "why do things with crypto that you can do faster with a database" basically comes down to that - the quality of the result is, in fact, important enough to be paid for. Crypto isn't the only tool to use, but I think it will be important in what's coming.

Get the people entirely hooked and dependent on Google, then snatch it away. Oops, a bunch of lost, scared little children. Now let's control them.

Honestly I’ve used TOR in the past and I’ve found myself using it again. I could deal with ads I could deal with content becoming stale or I could deal with paid subscriptions but all three mixed on basically every platform now is just awful. You want me to pay for barely tolerable content and watch ads too? No ty.

I’ve gotten to the point where when I want to learn about something i just get a book. You used to be able to google anything, then it was youtube, and then it was TikTok. Now everything is an ad.

The "standardization of the internet" is what destroyed it

So basically the techbro wet dream aka web 3?

@@Dave102693 No-one even knows what web 3 was supposed to be, other than that lots of crypto-bros try to shoehorn a blockchain into it wherever they can.

it would be interesting if a newer generation like me grew up where the internet was like the 90's, except, well, modern.

@@vibrantgleam Don't let the rose-tint get too strong. The earlier age of the internet had some things we miss, yes - but there was a lot of bad too. Moderation is a double-edged sword.

well mozilla could get cut off any day now, a lot of their funding comes from putting google as the default search engine

@@42seven It's in Google's interest to allow them to exist. Without Mozilla, every Browser would be Chromium based and Google would get hit with anti-trust lawsuits in every country.

​@@truegamer_007 It's really unfortunate that we've let enforcement of our antitrust legislation fall so far that "precedent" is now to ignore the blatantly anti-human actions of these profit-seeking leeches who already have all the money.

DuckDuckGo browser? That might be built on top of Firefox though.

@@milesdavis2353 duckduckgo was shown to be given data to microsoft literally the only browser i know of that google is lynx, which can't be used with 90% of the internet

Finally someone who understands the 2010s were the worst decade in human history.

@@skyjelly9790 I wouldn't call it "the worst decade ...," only that it -- meaning the corporations -- ruined plenty of what was already working perfectly.

@@skyjelly9790 The 2020s will be worse . . .

Nature does not have my spanish, russian, scottish, german friends. It only has Hungarians, and I rather not deal with Hungarians any more than neccessary.

I use a mixture of two mapping apps to find beautiful spots in nature too! XD But getting out there isn't enough. My brain just won't deal with all the stimulation of the outside world very much. It's bad enough watching videos. I need plain text chat to survive.

What apps?

@@Kulkasterbang Google maps and Gaia GPS.

I've been using the internet since the early '10s, and I'm okay with the social media sites collapsing. Maybe people would have to go outside and experience the world, interact with eachtoher, become more grounded

Then i just hope i won't be here anymore when we'll have the equivalent of nowadays... 😬

oof, imagine the 13 y/os who just got onto the internet and google is bad, reddit is actively hurting itself, twitter is political, tumblr is mainly shitposting or trying to make you happy, deviantart is art, and nothing is what they need from it.

That’s exactly how I’ve been looking at it. Hackers, pirates, and dissidents are like the modern day cowboys.

@@alessandrobaggi6129 honestly I’m not even into nowadays nowadays

@@redgreen2453I can’t wait for the internet red dead redemption

Lost media like “Ulterior Motives” and The Original Jeff the Killer Image seem to be lost forever so yeah…

Ulterior motives was found​@KindlyKalen

@@KindlyKalen that kinda aged poorly

@@Gamerappa yeah. But Just a game still counts right?

​@@KindlyKalenthat, got found recently too

you need to use boolean strings to find specific stuff for academic work

Twitter was already hostile for years lol, nothing really changed under Elon

True, it’s harder and harder for us LGBTQ people to survive, emphasis on the TQ

​@@KindlyKalensome people say Musk changed twitter for good, its a lie, Musk just made twitter even more political

Makes sense why I've been using the internet a bit less recently. Been going outside more and not doomscrolling

​@@KindlyKalen absolutely. both irl and online

Eh. We can just go to the library and open internet forums.

like basically our whole society

Yes because chairman Mao would’ve NEVER

@@TheAnthonyMarlowe You're adding nothing to the discussion with your anti-socialist foaming

@@Grogeous_Maximus get lost commie

That's literally the point of Monopoly. The game was made to demonstrate late stage capitalism. The game starts with wealth equally distributed amongst the players, and ends with one player owning everything while everyone else owns nothing. Hence, monopoly.

Used to be a site for anything, and now there's just Facebook, Reddit, KZfaq, and Twitter.

@@KyriosHeptagrammatonthere’s 4chan, but it’s popularity is withered and faded away. It’s one of the only remnants of the Wild West era of the internet.

It's crazy how fast the world seems to change. It seems like it changes faster than we can comprehend it.

Probably its Gen X ceo Elon Musk. We like to name things X. X-box, X Games, X-Men, etc

@@Kwijibobspace x

Guess we are going project moon now

@@doctorhealsgood5456 Better hope we're not in the backstreets blub

Wait til you hear about blackrock.

I would love some sort of browser extension that downloads any videos you watch that are posted by older/inactive accounts that way as a community, it will be a lot easier to find old youtube videos.

I did that way back in 2006 when KZfaq first came out. Although, we have to accept the limited hard disk space available for increasing sums of data that need to be stored. Storage has a physical limitation, so I always anticipated old parts of the internet would be replaced with new data. Of course we can keep manufacturing disk space, but data also gets bigger and bigger.

@@MichelleHellcompress them to rar files then

They've already deleted thousand upon thousands of classic videos and you people are the ones who cheered it on

@@redbullsauberpetronas I noticed what you said because there was a couple of music videos that I listened too and in a week or a month, they were gone.

Most important books are still available in decentralized networks. No one have ability to destroy them yet.

@@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360 the fact that they're digital leaves them vulnerable to manipulation though. Revisionist history is mainly how they deceive e everyone.

They closed libraries? The library in the town I live is still open, and so is the one in the "city" I work in.

@@jackalenterprisesofohio most of the libraries that were closed during covid NEVER ve eopened or where they did it's own evry very limited hours.

This was their intention

If free solution is better than paid one, commerce disappears automatically.

Jesus Christ is coming soon after all

Or maybe we will talk to each other in person again. Friendship will go back to normal, no more MGTOW or dark feminine energy will exist. We will build 3rd places again that aren’t filled with tech forcing unnatural engagement. Just maybe? But I’m also an optimist.

Kali Yuga seems as real as it has never been.

@@KH-gp5uf This guy gets it

​@@KH-gp5uf Speaking of MGTOW and feminism whatever happened to those ? They used to be everywhere pre 2019

YES. please. Our flaws lie within ourselves - information shouldn't be driven by greed.

The flaws in our cultures? Can we start with all the pepes and wojaks and dumb politics and redditoids and their delusional self-loathing manchild nonsense?

The internet is the same its just mostly filled with garbage and money making schemes, i am not surprised were the internet is but how long it take to get there. I think most of it was the shareholders, ceo and executives have mostly no idea and what porential and risk internet have. As in all booming enterprise it first skyrocket, oversaturate the market and deflate. And bigger the company bigger the fall. If the current trends make fiscal sense it will continue, on this front is partially our fault also because if no one use it they will not make more.

agreed. I miss SEARCHING for something and not getting directed to something TOTALLY unrelated. "for you" "others liked" "you might like" "try this" etc..

this.

Realized this back in 2001 and have been practicing it since (and keeping backups of my backups) 😁

Google lens is horrible lol

I hate Google Lens. It's so bad that even Bing Images looks good by comparison

Lens and image searches have both turned into garbage. I used to use it daily when vetting women to see if they're real or a bot/spam mostly and as of late the results are terrible. I also tried it for a skin rash recently and it wasn't able to key in to the same rash but I feel like it used to be able to do that.

@@bezillions yandex's reverse image search is far more useful at the moment. As a photographer who sometimes places ads to hire models, i have to sift through a bunch of scammers/fakes. Yandex has proven its value tenfold over google.

microsoft has a really good example in this too windows 7 was like, one of the best os out there, almost no bloatware apps, fluent, beautiful design, and fast... fast as hell. then we came to windows 10, something really close to 7, but definitely worse because of random bs apps. today we're at windows 11, the worst of all. what microsoft will do to both windows 7 and 10? discontinue them because of "need to transition to a newer version" (actually, windows 7 is already discontinued i think) not only that: in windows 11, you surely can improve it alot, but compared to doing it to windows 7, its far worse windows 12 is coming soon too. welp guys... when the windows im using rn (10) starts being discontinued or when i get a new pc, ill definitely go slapping some linux thing in there

Late capitalism moment

Soviet Union collapse

I just don't care what gets lost, if the end result is digital consciousness existing in virtual universes, a fully automated work force, expansion into space, and bionics that can improve the body to superhuman degrees. That's the future our technology promises us, and I'll give up any amount of humanity to get there. It is going to get worse before it gets better, but I think on a long enough timeline it is inevitable. Clinging to the past is only going to hamper progress and your own ability to adapt and survive.

@@fusionspace175 We can have both, it's just not profitable enough for the owner class

"This is really scary stuff. It's like people don't care. Most people seem to understand the implications well enough, but are just apathetic to what will go down and how it will change all of our lives, and very quickly at that." while i believe people not careing is true to some extend, i think the bigger picture is WHY people dont care. personally, i think that can be largely boiled down to 2 things (outside of genuine apathy and self centeredness): tiredness and overstimulation. with all the buzwords, bad news, and advertizments the average person gets on a daily basis, the human mind (consuiously and subconsciuosly) wasnt meant to handle all of this. theres a point where a person just goes into autopilot whether they realize or not, and overtime this overstimulation just becomes draining. im sure there many people who are aware of whats going on, but dont have the energy to delve deeper into this, or need to prioritize moreso with whats going on in thier lives (bills, food, family, jobs, ect.). the best we can do is spread the word, but not to condem others for not immediately acting (and yes i notice my the bad grammar, too tired to fix it)

Agree with what you say. Although, even youtube is not very useful now. Search is completely useless and suggestions only ever propose videos that I have already seen or videos unrelated to the one I am watching. I miss the youtube of 2008-2014

ugh, i hate what the world did to AI. Tools that can be used to change the world, save lives, spread true, reliable, information was turned into propaganda, life destroying, spam-making machines.

the removal of the dislike button was solely because companies that made youtube money didn't like it when they got publicly visible feedback for their garbage products.

We are all terminal, in the end.

@@andybaldman Congrats. That's the dumbest response I've heard to me saying I'm dying I've ever heard, and I've heard a lot of dumb responses over the past four and a half years. 👍 Look up a grade IV GBM and let me know if you'd like to trade positions. I'll gladly take your unknown future death over one that is imminent and terrifying. Then I won't have to leave my baby girl without her dad. We may all die, but living with a ticking time bomb in your head for four and a half years is a nightmare I wouldn't wish on anyone. This tumor was supposed to have killed me in 2020. I can't describe the toll this has taken on me, emotionally and psychologically. There are plenty of people going through a similar hell as I've been going through. For their sake, please don't ever respond to someone saying they have a terminal illness with something as asinine as, "We're all terminal." I promise you that it's not as profound as it must have sounded to you.

@@WordUnheard You can call it dumb. But that doesn't make it any less true. My comment was intended to highlight the fact that time and life is finite for all of us. Comfortability, for those who have it, is an illusion. All we can all do is accept and make peace with our fate, and make the most of what we have, regardless of how long or short.

@@andybaldman still just insanely out of pocket and rude lmao that was a dick response regardless of how true you may think it is

we aren't outnumbered if we all reject this bullshit together. it's just hard rallying up numbers and courage.

@@sinzones3909 the issue is that people either want this, or are oblivious to it. if it were possible to get everyone and their grandma to even put a second thought into this issue something could change, but otherwise no. the slumbering masses dont care

@johner3364 Maybe, but I will die fighting for what I believe in.

@@Leafy597 We will bring back that greatness, even if we must do so through iron and blood.

@johner3364 To elaborate, it may not come back as the leviathan it is now, but that is the goal. Decentralization. Not in the shitty crypto scams and NFT bullshit way, but in what we once had. No one man will control the flow of information, and those who will try will be stopped. Independent forums, personal websites, it will return to them. I do not expect everyone to understand, but when their empires crumble, they will be made to understand why we keep the old ways alive.

Also encouraging lies. Hyper polite lies.

This is worrisome, I assume the dark web will still be around? Have not gone there.

​@@thecompareablezombie probably

"Hyper Polite" = Woke

​@@thecompareablezombie The dark web is the true internet if you imgaine Google as a gaint space station then the dark web would be the rest of the universe outside

but the data has to be saves somehow somewhere

From whom I've talked to on Bitchute back in 2018, someone that used to upload CBS weather clips online is one of the anonymous groups dedicated to downloading everything into hard drives, then shipping them off into underground vaults to archive them incase if say an EMP or an internet wipeout/blackout occurs in the near future. Thank god they're doing the work they can to archive as much as possible.

@@SuperFlashDriver I promise you this isn't true and you're a bonafide idiot for even thinking that it could be.

@@SuperFlashDriver I just can't get over how radically stupid you must be. It's really driving me crazy honestly

@@SuperFlashDriver Godspeed to those people. I know petabytes of data in an incredibly difficult endeavor to take on, but at least doing something to save precious data, including stuff that doesn't exist in the real world anymore is at least somewhat comforting to know. Btw, mind dropping a link to them?

Never interrupt your enemy while they're making a mistake.

issue is thats not what happens this argument has been made for many company's the issue is once there the only big option what are you gonna do spend 10$ extra for a better product look for hours for the hidden product most people wont most people will live with it and even if we go to the hidden forums or what ever the normal people will stay at the surface your work will stay at the surface everyone outside of the community that looks for the small pockets will be at the surface

​@@Bruce_Games???????

@@heartnsoulintodeglocc9975 i rabled sorry it was like 3am

Because the cleanup afterwards will hurt - and not just the companies. But you're right, in the long run, a purge could be for the best. It's like surgery. It sucks, but it lead to things getting better.

How do we identify who needs to be held accountable, and who is going to hold them accountable and in what way? The only power that we little people have is in the boycott and revolution.

Down with capitalism

@@slappy8941 Strength in numbers. If the public is truly unified in their outrage, no individual or corporation will be able to stop the riots, unless demands are satisfied. Of course, uniting the public is easier said than done.

@@Luke-eq5kx capitalism isn't the problem, the unregulated corporations are. In their attempts to dissuade the public from hating them they tell you it's the system that must be torn down, not the abusers of that system. We need the government to do their damned job and stop those greedy corporations from ruining the quality of life of the citizens, but everyone in government is either ignorant or willfully ignorant of the problems these corps are causing the everyman. The EU is doing their part, using law to force Apple to put the objectively superior usb c port on their phones. As well as other such laws. We need more lawmakers to care more for the people, and be willing to take a hard stance against the greed of the companies.

@@endlord_1.185 but how do we identify who to punish? i'm not against eating the rich fuck them all power to the proletariate, but, aside from the tredecillionaires, who do we attack? All this energy has to go somewhere, and like a prince rupert's drop, hitting the wrong nerve might cause it to explode.

I should have been talking about it and doing things about it for a lot more than 8 years, but I didn't. Oh well.

it is what it is

Yeah the quality of everything has gone down and ads are shoved down our throats. Like I can’t even google a item without at least 5 shein and temu listings

@@oceanexblve884 We have to create the services that we liked before, because they will lose the competition simply if something normal appears and without such a huge monetization

everything is going to shit, but everything has always been going to shit

And open source hardware

So, Firefox... (technically chromium is open source too, but it's too close to Chrome)

Open source simply isn't enough. Chromium (the foundation of most of the most used browsers) is open source, but that simply isn't enough at this point. What we need is nearly all software to be libre, and connected by a libre internet. It sounds like a gigantic shift, but at the very least it's becoming the reality of things slowly but surely...

Preach

@@TheExileFoxwithout chromium. Firefox is not exactly open source anymore. Google has a grip on FireFox…

The Way Back Machine

@@SocietalDefibrilation It only gives a snapshot, not a total backup.

I know Kiwifarms users are rather thorough about archiving stuff on their site. As controversial as the site is, it shows that it can be done. The site has been banned from The Way Back Machine since a while back though, so there is that.

@@Jules_Pew Tf are you on about? Wayback does a total backup.

@@Bruh-zx2mc You're lucky if you get 2 pages of a thread in a forum. No it doesn't.

I was originally motivated to continue using twitter and reddit (mainly due to addictions), but now im pretty turned away from them. With the protests and the number of users leaving, using them now just feels like scraping the bottom of the barrel. It's been dreadful to watch much of the internet that I've been using and enjoying starting to wither but it will at least give me an opportunity to focus on other things in life.

we're at the final stage of the shittification cycle, eventually better alternatives will pop up. once everything is dead communities will still form and make something better.

I knew it!

They were never implemented in Duck Duck Go, I don't think. I asked for them early on, and got a reply saying it would be a good idea and easy to implement, but they never worked.

@@eekee6034 DuckDuckGo's the worst offender. Absolutely no search operators except for exact phrase, but it doesn't work half the time. And even on Google, they've become more of a suggestion that may or may not be ignored by the search algorithm. It's so infuriating!

@@Damariobros Yeah. I'm not happy with Duck Duck Go anymore, but I use image search a lot and none of the search engines I'd like to use seem to have it. DDG's image search has got really bad though.

The company that created a platform called Google+ now restricts using punctuation marks in searches. The irony.

What should i look for a site when i curate it?

Will humans be able to shape the world, and by extension, the internet, in a world where AI can pretend to be human, jump any barrier of humanity proof, and do the shaping on a scale more massive and complicated than we could ever match?

Nah man we’re all fucked just gotta try our best to adapt

Either cry about a metric earthton of ads being shoved down your throat or only get 3 videos.

It should be not only stored, but also shared. Otherwise it makes not much sense.

some people call me 'old fashioned' (i'm genZ, literally what?) for even just knowing how to download data onto external drives. relying on a streaming service or company for anything i want to experience or keep doesn't sit right with me anymore. anything i own can be taken away, anything i like can be deleted. downloading all the stuff i want has been a bit grating but it's a much better experience than dealing with ads every 10 seconds, having to be connected to the internet all the time, having to deal with sudden deletions and paywalls, etc. plus alot of the stuff i like is niche, so if it ever becomes lost media i can easily share it with others instead of being sad that something i loved is gone. i genuinely hope piracy and other things like it become common knowledge, it's given me ways to encounter and enjoy art in cool ways and reuse my old tech.

@@sinzones3909 Aye, this is literally the current situation in all media, especially streaming services.

Rational people have always been called crazy. :(

I was just downvoted into oblivion on Reddit like 2 months ago for saying I download everything in case the internet disappears. Just realized the irony there.

these days i get surprised when people do swear online

The problem there is that centralisation /is/ convenient. People want convenience. Need convenience.

@@vylbird8014 well, with modern design ideas, we can solve this. Since there will be no profit incentives in this utopia, people WILL tell others the commonly asked questions and commonly stated answers, the other good sites, whether or not it's a bad site because the only incentive is the person behind the other screen. People can make folders, personal folders, of what they like - I already have some in my bookmarks bar. Instead of having one forum and subtopics, have many forums with many subtopics! Convenience doesn't go further than one click or hotkey and you're there already!

So, a weird and genuine question from a dirty lefty that heavily favors regulation, but curiosity compels me. What's your take on your free market advocate peers, and as a clearly very separate question, what is your take on the Invisible Hand style free market absolutists that seem to worship at Elon's feet for eight dollars a month?

Hmmm, perhaps I should have put quotation marks around, "absolutists," lol.

The free market is how we run into messes like this, guy.

​@@mechanomics2649 The "free" market which is heavily controlled by neoliberal maniacs who think history was over in 1992. We need to get rid of capitalism.

​@@mechanomics2649there is no free market under capitalism, AFAICT, because a truly free market would not have investors, oligopolies, and regulatory capture, but capitalism necessarily produces these things.

"I created this youtube channel in 2005" ... 🤓

@@𰻝 very nice fellow youtube veteran!

We must

facts

Same

But think about that: the very thing this video is complaining about: greed ruining everything, could be the very thing that ruins it one day, if it is indeed "going places."

This channel is just SunnyV2 with a different name

You can easily emulate living in a socialist country. Never buy anything, or just only buy second hand

@@retrocomputing Already do this.💀I drive a car from 2004 that's passed through many hands and do most repairs myself (unless I absolutely must go a mechanic. If I do that I go to a local non-chain store place). All my PC parts I've bought second-hand from different people and assembled myself, etc. Funnily enough I've learned alot of skills from this sort of way to live.

You’re doing great.

I think I just passed you on the other side of the road there, while I'm in the course of walking away in disgust from the Left! Actually that's not quite true... Just as I was never against entrepreneurship, enterprise, or turning an honest profit, only unregulated vulture - capitalism and profiteering monopolies and cartels, in the same way I've never been against the labourer (or artist) getting just recompense for the sweat off their back (or brow), or the idea that it's legitimate for the state to provide a degree of care for the elderly, the sick, or the jobless (as opposed to workshy!)... but with due regard to privacy, personal lifestyle - a word I was much surprised to learn, apparently didn't _exist_ before the 1970's(!) - mutual respect and so forth, when I hear people say, as I did a few days ago on some U~Choober's site, like it was the most natural and normal thing on Earth, that not only should parents be fulsome in their indulgence of their Transsexual, sorry, _Transgender_ children (I mean, you don't throw them out of the house, you love your children whatever, but you can't entirely hold it against parents for perhaps not falling in love with the _idea_ - no??!), but that, in fact, you are selfish if you don't give your newborns neutral, non - binary 'placeholder' names, against the all - but - inevitable day when they come out as Trans(!); that is where I'm like "Nah, mate, this is my stop!" [EDIT] ps - Unlike yourself, the mere fact of seeing an advertisement doesn't (necessarily) make me want to boycott a product or service - but those drop - down 'jack - in - the - box' ads (as in, like the toy, not the eaterie!) or those AI written 'news' stories where they just take the complete p¡ss with how many pages of drivel they make you read through in the name of exposing you to ad after ad after ad, only to ultimately find in the teeniest, tinyest of print (assuming you even _endure_ to the end) that all of this clickbaitey bullsh1+ was just 'sponsored' - ie, fictional - content from the get - go, now _that,_ that is the sort of advertising that makes me swear on pain of death (or at least substantial inconvenience to myself) that I will never, _ever_ entertain these dirtbags' gew~gaws or flim~flam again, as long as I live!!

Don't turn commie man. Giving more power to the State is not a solution. Advertisements are the reason why we get anything for free on the internet at all. Servers are costly to operate, and employees need to be paid. Though you can advocate for a paid internet, where advertisement would be obsolete.

The user is not the customer, though. The customer is the advertising service. The user is just the product.

@@vylbird8014 how ever the advertiser is buying this product in the hope that it becomes a customer for whoever they are advertising for unfortunately for them they all got so greedy with wanting our attention that we deliberately shun them if ads had remained on the sides of the page and not overtaking the content they were intended to shown with then adblock would never have been made

@@erubianwarlord8208 This is what I was talking about. No website will make money if nobody visits them.

"Users have power and human shape the world" Haha AI

AI existed ten years ago. It was something else, and much more shit. People thought it wasn't worth taking seriously. AI from ten years from now might be something else, much less shit. And we will anticipate it by not taking it seriously.

@@nielskorpel8860 ai isnt bad i love how some people use it for, its just stupid corps push it so much and do stupid stuff with it

Pretty sure there is, Microsoft, Google among some other are part of the backbone of the internet. apart from crawling websites by domain, the have their own domain name servers that poll the DNS root servers, some google cpu/proces will probably spend the entire day polling the rootservers, you can do that too if you have linux (and probably also windows has it build in), just use a terminal command. pretty sure the Google bot simply pings all i.p. addresses. If you do a google search, although the domain looks right, it's the nearest google server to you that sterves you, it's a very nifty system behind that and why it was and is so fast.

I don't see how that solves any of this. Dark web sites still cost money to operate, so they have to make that money somehow. And anonymising yourself over e.g. Tor doesn't matter if you need to log in to use a website; they can just track you through your account.

​@@MariaNicolae code have costs to write it too. But nevertheless open source exists. Same is true for darknet. Almost every user have spare computational resources, what only needed is desire to help other people.

The fact that twitter did not completely collapse after musk messed around with it makes me think reddit will just keep going.

@@elio7610 it will stay alive but become a terrible place

reddit is definitely not dying anytime soon lol.

@@DanteLikesRock oh it is

Reddit, Twitter and Facebook have all come to blows with the EU due to their lax attitudes to safety, privacy and suchlike. Musk's Bird Website especially over the last six tumultuous months!

@bnuuycnuuy @kwya Lemmy is an open source and decentralized alternative to Reddit. It's grown quite a bit since the things the CEO did during the blackout.

let's not forget bluesky ;)

Companies in general

Pretty sure any big corporation hates regulators unless they get special treatment. Also pretty sure any politician or lobbyist will do the same and demonize something whenever it doesn’t suit their agenda. Also, we’re living in a corporatized world, where massive corporations have incredible power over governments and nations, alongside the financial institutions that are backing them. If you go deep enough into the conspiracy rabbit hole, it might be the next (or current) world order. If the current government and political parties didn’t already get loads of funding from the same companies that want to monopolize, then maybe they would be more serious about anti-trust law, but I don’t see that happening without a serious shift or event. Very blatant conflict of interest.

any idea of society collectively doing something to better itself is naive and optimistic. in reality, people are far too incompetent, lazy and “can’t be bothered” with the details. the fact that “TLDR” is a regular saying is proof in the pudding. people just don’t care about details anymore. the reason why that is can be up for debate but it’s likely due to the “busy” culture we have adopted. people are too busy or don’t want to stand out from the crowd or don’t want to be ridiculed for being “different” and this creates a feedback loop of people doing what the rich elite do. who doesnt want to live like them anyway, right? the mentality of being “trendy” is way to popular (ironically) so believing people, especially the next generations, would ever get off their asses as a collective is just a pipe dream

Voting won't fix this issue.

@@axeslinger94 The ballot failed. Time for the bullet.

Wow it's almost like democracy was a mistake and we shouldn't have taken each-other's guns away.