1st Drive BMW i7 xDrive60 - Not Impressed! | 4k

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Joe Achilles

Joe Achilles

Күн бұрын

What are your thoughts on the BMW i7, do you like it's styling, have you sat in one?
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Running Order of this video;
00:00 Intro
00:43 Interior
02:40 On the road
08:28 The spec
10:05 Pushing on...
14:14 My verdict
19:20 Being a chauffeur
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*Some footage from this video may be edited and or sped up for cinematic affects.
*Some footage was also filmed on private land.

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@rayrobinsonesq.597
@rayrobinsonesq.597 9 ай бұрын
I’ve rotated back and forth between S class and 7 series for years. I’ve enjoyed my S class for the last 6 years and was ready to go electric. The dealer gave me a loaner EQS for a couple of days. Although the ride was wonderful, ingress/egress was horrible for me (I’m a big guy). The I7 won me over without even driving it. I ordered it immediately and (according to the online progress report) it just left the factory. I can’t wait! Perfect Xmas present to myself.
@gothychris
@gothychris Жыл бұрын
"All 4 wheels off the ground?? Couldn't feel it in this" 😂😂
@rl7111
@rl7111 Жыл бұрын
The previous gen M760Li was one of the greatest BMW's and V12's ever built. Sadly we will never see their like again.😔. As Joe says, "the old 7 was perfection".
@shaneblack8082
@shaneblack8082 Жыл бұрын
I just picked up me G11 and there was a white V12 in the dealership at the same time. Absolutely and completely spellbound by both. As for this new thing😂
@myporscheadventures
@myporscheadventures Жыл бұрын
One of the last people here on youtube who would only share his honest opinion. Appreciate that. Great review, as always 👌🏽
@R8andGT3Fan
@R8andGT3Fan Жыл бұрын
My God, 23 mins of brutal honesty! Very appreciated, of course. 😎 I laughed a lot with the "four wheels off the ground" situation! 🤣🤣
@itsjoel
@itsjoel Жыл бұрын
When you sent it in the air I laughed so hard 😂
@unowen-nh9ov
@unowen-nh9ov Жыл бұрын
& they say no flying cars! Ok, the wardens say that. To Joe.
@zuksontheline
@zuksontheline Жыл бұрын
No one talks about the decrease in quality instead they focus on the wow design. Thank you for being that up.
@garyhuntsr71698
@garyhuntsr71698 8 күн бұрын
not even a kind gesture offered to a kidnapped back-seater! 😍
@Saul-jv6hr
@Saul-jv6hr Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your review and honest opinion. It means a lot coming from you and your experience. I wish BMW Would listen to you and to your honesty.
@zero521
@zero521 Жыл бұрын
Great review. Thank you for giving us an honest opinion rather than a biased one (that most reviewrs give these days). Much apprrciated.
@PonticelloMotorsport
@PonticelloMotorsport Жыл бұрын
Technology made possible for manufacturers something never possible before: more features, higher prices with lower production costs. They are taking out buttons because they are EXPENSIVE compared to redesigning an electronic interface. That’s plain and simple the reason. They tell you many stories but the truth is that these cars are higher priced AND are worth less compared to previous generations… lesser materials less physical complexity and many many heavy electric and cheap motors for controlling everything. That’s also why the surplus weight (other than the batteries ofc). Cars used to have the best of the best in materials and technology but these huge ass screens are too economical to be skipped. And people love these tricks. All in all I would die to know a TRUE cost breakdown of a 2023 7 series vs a 2007 7 series.
@vladcostea6692
@vladcostea6692 Жыл бұрын
Oh man I ve been waiting for this one. Congratulations Joe!
@rubyandrenaetheminiatureda6988
@rubyandrenaetheminiatureda6988 Жыл бұрын
Good honest review Joe! Thank you for sharing 👍
@GoBrosb
@GoBrosb Жыл бұрын
Brilliant review; one of your best!
@joemurphy4489
@joemurphy4489 Жыл бұрын
Honest review. Thanks Joe. Love your videos, as they're honest and well put together.
@unowen-nh9ov
@unowen-nh9ov Жыл бұрын
I believe a 7 can fly! Didn't before this.
@abc2662
@abc2662 Жыл бұрын
It has been growing on me because it reminds me of the Green Hornet's car 😅
@mrgasman9632
@mrgasman9632 Жыл бұрын
The thing with joe is how honest and knowledgeable his reviews are top work as always
@JoeAchilles1
@JoeAchilles1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Although apparently BMW pay me 😅
@mrgasman9632
@mrgasman9632 Жыл бұрын
We all need a little side hustle joe 😂
@unowen-nh9ov
@unowen-nh9ov Жыл бұрын
@@JoeAchilles1 NOT NEARLY ENUFF!!!
@madmax1631
@madmax1631 Жыл бұрын
@@JoeAchilles1i personally love the new 7 series especially the 760i xdrive with the Japanese crystal headlights
@madmax1631
@madmax1631 Жыл бұрын
@@JoeAchilles1 and you should try the 760i xdrive because the electric car is more heavier and not sporty
@RickTheSpud
@RickTheSpud Жыл бұрын
That was brilliant. A great honest review, nice to see Stef again, and getting told off for jumping it too! 😂👌
@jeg569
@jeg569 Жыл бұрын
Hope you didnt get into too much trouble getting airborne 🤣
@khaedundou2942
@khaedundou2942 Жыл бұрын
I have been waiting for your thoughts. I would like another review after four months or so. Joe really didn't like the i7 even before the review, so I don't expect as much enthusiasm as to other cars he likes.
@BryceBrown1
@BryceBrown1 Жыл бұрын
Last 5 minutes! Golden! 😂👍
@bossman4401
@bossman4401 Ай бұрын
I have driven The latest Maybach GLS600 and Bentley Bentayga for the last year, and after sitting in the BMW i7 it’s as luxurious and high quality as those cars. Haven’t driven yet though.
@guinnessharvey4476
@guinnessharvey4476 Жыл бұрын
BMW at least have the balls to design something so bold. Like it or hate it, you gotta admit it’s striking.
@z00h
@z00h Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this vid Joe. More lighthearted than usual which made it feel more authentic.
@Kelveron
@Kelveron Жыл бұрын
When Joe puts the word 'honest' in the clip title, you know the review is not going to be complimentary! 😁 Lookswise, the nose is not exactly elegant. But the profile and rear look ok. To be fair the i7 is getting very good reviews, from what I've seen. I guess being a full tonne heavier than your M3 Touring, the cornering will come as a shock, but maybe not so bad in comparison to other full on luxury EVs.
@user-xs8di8xs9f
@user-xs8di8xs9f Жыл бұрын
Great video as always 🎉
@rustystuff
@rustystuff Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this bud. 👏
@brianiswrong
@brianiswrong Жыл бұрын
16:34 True words from joe Lots of gadgets ,bling and trinkets are ok for 10 mins But deep down, ingrained quality is what you need for 3 years of ownership and 40'000 miles.
@StefABtv
@StefABtv Жыл бұрын
I’m still feeling sick from that pax ride, no 5 star rating for you this time 😂😂😂 good laughs mate 🙌
@JamesKingstonCars
@JamesKingstonCars Жыл бұрын
That jump 😂
@FredaPhillips-dc8vv
@FredaPhillips-dc8vv Жыл бұрын
Brilliant content Joe
@pjs12464
@pjs12464 Жыл бұрын
I sense a more critical tone from you these days. I like it
@sirdavidnorth
@sirdavidnorth Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed watching this more than I thought I would - more flawed vehicles on the channel please!
@user-rx1pu8bg1b
@user-rx1pu8bg1b Жыл бұрын
Probably the best review on this as Joe said tiktokers car😂
@davidbillberg2203
@davidbillberg2203 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Joe!
@tomashley5869
@tomashley5869 Жыл бұрын
Loved the last bit Joe! Oh really, all 4 wheels off the ground ? 😂😂😂
@CarsofGlasgow
@CarsofGlasgow Жыл бұрын
great video Joe
@w.a.8829
@w.a.8829 Жыл бұрын
so how much of your assessment of this i7's interior quality is driven by the incredibly dull spec? the various browns and whites with open pore wood trim are SO much nicer
@135eddy
@135eddy Жыл бұрын
Your old one was actually a really good looking car. It’s a shame the same can’t be said about the new one
@135eddy
@135eddy Жыл бұрын
@@ifeanyiikemefuna3706 personal opinion
@tim1king
@tim1king Жыл бұрын
The last part 😂😂😂😂 brilliant
@GeesDrive
@GeesDrive Жыл бұрын
Clever placement of the Prius in the background Joe 👌
@toms_garage
@toms_garage Жыл бұрын
Great review Joe, I will say I don't think the excess of screens and tech translate into a luxury product.
@adamwaygood611
@adamwaygood611 Жыл бұрын
All 4 wheels very impressive in a car that size 😂😂
@victorlussier5477
@victorlussier5477 Жыл бұрын
Funny because i rewatched your 1,100 mile in a single tank video of the 7 series yesterday, curious which one would you pick if you could do the trip all over again?
@niallroche2051
@niallroche2051 Жыл бұрын
Hey joe great video as always! Can we see a range test with the i7? 😊
@jamesward1931
@jamesward1931 Жыл бұрын
I think it has become cool to hate on the new BMW styling on the internet. Personally I think it looks amazing, modern, menacing, broad shouldered, like an MMA fighter wearing a tailored suit. I think the dark colours suit this style best. Also disappointed in the review that seems to me to be “this big heavy luxury car is big and heavy and doesn’t handle like a sports car” well surely if you want a sports car then that’s what you’ll go and buy. Looking forward to more objective reviews in the future.
@unowen-nh9ov
@unowen-nh9ov Жыл бұрын
Thought Joe might be showing his age for 1st time, till he got pulled over for being a hooligan in 3 ton stretch limo. Up, up & away, Joe!
@unowen-nh9ov
@unowen-nh9ov Жыл бұрын
Their design head mentioned in interview BMW have 40 million social media followers, annually they sell fraction of that. Hating BMW online is now a bigger industry than owning 1.
@efo4697
@efo4697 Жыл бұрын
Black colors suits this best because its so overstyle especially upfront that the black makes it blend but if you get any other color it becomes monstrosity. It just looks boring and why the fck they put a tv like that back there for 4 grand. Just remove that, put 2 ipads like everyone else and use the rest 3k to make the interior a bit more luxurios. At the moment you have 2 screens, a bit of diamond and then the other part of the interior is completely disconected. It's not cool to hate on BMW, its just a bad design and people are calling it out. Everyone likes the touring M3, because it makes the front end not as bad and it kind of works with the avant version. If you say that BMW are moving in the right direction right now and you are a BMW fan, you are just lying to yourself and you know that.
@jean-michelyon7927
@jean-michelyon7927 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Joe for your honesty and transparency in this review of the i7. That's how I see testing, but as you know, that's not always the case, far from it.
@MD-ky2dt
@MD-ky2dt Жыл бұрын
4 wheels in the air. JOE it's just TOP :)
@FleetAdmiral215
@FleetAdmiral215 Жыл бұрын
& they called Chris Bangle !, Great Honest video Joe
@ItsDanLatham
@ItsDanLatham Жыл бұрын
Didn't get a chance to say hi at SMMT but I drove this around the track also, after checking out the Merc EQS and EQE I thought this was more impressive to be fair. Its gorgeous inside and fast but I agree the styling is bizarre and at £135k spec, I'd rather have an older 7, loads of fuel money and a few fun cars on the side. Rear seat experience is where this really shines.
@auchen888dolly8
@auchen888dolly8 Жыл бұрын
Awesome review Joe ..I am staying away from this can’t wait to hear you talk about the new M5 when that comes out ..
@unowen-nh9ov
@unowen-nh9ov Жыл бұрын
More Joe's speed. Literally!
@plnick4475
@plnick4475 Жыл бұрын
Really interesting to see a realistic glimpse into Joe´s chauffeur past from 19:20 onwards XD
@JoeAchilles1
@JoeAchilles1 Жыл бұрын
😂🫣
@sajedfb797
@sajedfb797 Жыл бұрын
Thanks ❤
@peterhughes506
@peterhughes506 Жыл бұрын
Other than the absolutely fury-causing issue with the ESIM and the drama getting a data connection working so I can use the Cinema Screen in the back of mine, I love it.
@fordy6351
@fordy6351 Жыл бұрын
I have previously commented that BMW has already limited sales of the 7 series in UK, but this car can only make that target market smaller. As a potential buyer of this car,currently running a 2023 M8 Convertible, A 2021 X7 40d, and 2021 X2 Mesh Edition, I am the epitome of a BMW ’fanboy’ but whoever signed this ‘7’ off needs their P45!!! Come back Chris Bangle, you are a genius!!!! Please BMW, build something normal before I need to change again!!! I am with Joe, your on the money, my view is you can’t polish a t*** 😂
@alimack5489
@alimack5489 Жыл бұрын
I’d be a bit worried if I paid £130k for a car and felt like costs had been cut somewhere 😅 and 2.7 tonnes is mad!
@stephencollins7714
@stephencollins7714 Жыл бұрын
Not sure why manufacturers need to cut costs with new car prices so high, they must be raking it in. They are now out of reach for most. The irony here is that Europe are building cars for China whist China and Korea are building cars that we can actually afford. Agree wholeheartedly with your review, would not prevent me from enjoying being driven in it though. Appreciate your honesty and frank views as always.
@JayyyCloud
@JayyyCloud Жыл бұрын
That is normal, when second/third world countries become richer, so do its people and such new customer segments open. German brands have dominated Europe for the longest time and now they need to cater to upcoming markets to increase their market share. Germans manufacturers can afford this, only the real die hard car enthusiasts will hate, but they majority of the european customer will just buy or lease the new vehicles while the new markets in asia will buy these vehicles en masse.
@stephencollins7714
@stephencollins7714 Жыл бұрын
@@JayyyCloud mostly agree with you, not sure you can call it normal though as I believe that this is an unprecedented situation. I hope that EU manufacturers do not turn their backs on the home markets as I think that would be a mistake but I welcome cars from elsewhere for some much needed competition.
@JayyyCloud
@JayyyCloud Жыл бұрын
​@@stephencollins7714 I can't say if manufacturers like BMW or Mercedes really care about their home customer base. The drop in sales in Europe is worth it when your vehicles are selling like hot cakes in Asia and making up for the losses in Europe. I also appreciate some competition, unfortunately it has become more apparent that design language is being copied from brand to brand (see Kia with strong German influence) and car groups ordering the same light units, screens, buttons, etc from similar contractors.
@lukegilbert7985
@lukegilbert7985 Жыл бұрын
This is great take, screens don't = luxury. Lot of new cars coming are lots of extra money for worse cars, not just for electric models either.
@unowen-nh9ov
@unowen-nh9ov Жыл бұрын
After breaking M2, Joe is now going after superheavy title.
@andrewvaughan5686
@andrewvaughan5686 Жыл бұрын
love your vids joe but kinda wish you showed some examples as to why it didn't feel as nice/luxurious as the last model. which is crazy because here in australia they've hiked up the price by $100 grand from the last model
@richierich9761
@richierich9761 Жыл бұрын
Joe is exposed as a secret Prius owner 😂
@bield7
@bield7 Жыл бұрын
Great review as always from Joe. Nice interior, dreadful looking exterior, and BMW dealers and specialists will be rubbing their hands with glee when all the tech goes wrong 😂
@johnb8956
@johnb8956 Жыл бұрын
I’ll be honest I don’t really like the interior either. It’s not terrible, it’s just a bit over styled. Much prefer a 7 series from 5-10 years ago. And I dread to think what this will look like in 10-20 years.
@bield7
@bield7 Жыл бұрын
@@johnb8956 it’ll still look hideous 😂 BMW have lost the plot with most of their designs now; there hardly anything in their current range that looks good. I doubt I’ll buy another if their current design philosophy continues. As you say, the older 7-Series were lovely cars
@richardwarner5491
@richardwarner5491 Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the spec ordering video with Tony @ Berry BMW 😮
@barneysman9116
@barneysman9116 Жыл бұрын
did you try playing games on the tv. such an original decision from the bright minds at bmw!
@stevojohn
@stevojohn Жыл бұрын
How does the rear view mirror work when the rear screen is down?
@andymccurley1
@andymccurley1 Жыл бұрын
Did you park on purpose next to the white Prius?
@Hammertime4404
@Hammertime4404 Жыл бұрын
Looks are subjective of course, but I quite like the exterior
@shaneblack8082
@shaneblack8082 Жыл бұрын
BMW have had their Bud Light moment. I mean look at this horror story. I’m pretty sure they’re not selling them down here in Australia, never seen one out in the traffic.
@sul6ans
@sul6ans Жыл бұрын
I honestly think it looks amazing
@unowen-nh9ov
@unowen-nh9ov Жыл бұрын
Did you change your headline to cut to the chase for clarity or succinctness? Really, bachelor not impressed with 3 ton lwb. stretch limo? How many of those have you flown, Joe?
@ThrottleBody
@ThrottleBody Жыл бұрын
Controversial, but I don’t mind the exterior. It’s not pretty, but it’s imposing and has a presence. More so than it’s rivals. It looks like it would belong to someone important and looks different to the rest of the range, which I like. I really love the interior too.
@marashamalcolm7704
@marashamalcolm7704 9 ай бұрын
Honestly i have to disagree on the looks and quality after I've seen it on real life
@aneebaba06
@aneebaba06 Жыл бұрын
LOl at least you got into some trouble while you were at it!
@jkliao6486
@jkliao6486 Жыл бұрын
13:43 flying brick!
@andrewbiohacker
@andrewbiohacker Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honest review, I'm getting one in 2 weeks..thinking now ummm
@unowen-nh9ov
@unowen-nh9ov Жыл бұрын
Unless your daily drive commute involves flying on a test track, you should be fine.
@jamesk1806
@jamesk1806 Жыл бұрын
Shows that taste is subjective because I think they are lovely and I've seen many of them in the flesh.
@simonbradshaw3708
@simonbradshaw3708 Жыл бұрын
I have the old BMW 7 Series and I have to agree it doesn't look as special inside. I'm not sure I like the interactive bar which changes colour, it looks plastic. I would have to turn the Han Zimmer sound off as it would annoy me. It is also extremely expensive now as there is no diesel option in the UK and no heads up display. I think I'd buy a cheaper BMW X7 with a diesel engine.
@DeltaDubai03
@DeltaDubai03 Жыл бұрын
I start to see quite a lot of those new 7 series. And the look grows on me. What happened to BMW, did they forget to transfer the monthly installment to Joe's account😁?
@unowen-nh9ov
@unowen-nh9ov Жыл бұрын
Same thing happened with Car and Driver for years, they were accused of being in BMW's pocket until they disappeared from 10 Best lists for 1st time.
@superset5
@superset5 Жыл бұрын
Saw a white one the other day. Surprised it didn't look that bad.
@raldyjimenez3319
@raldyjimenez3319 Жыл бұрын
Any update with your M2?
@irGuilty
@irGuilty Жыл бұрын
Get the m760i while you can, THE ULTIMATE CAR
@highlandersixtysix
@highlandersixtysix Жыл бұрын
I'm both glad and relieved to see this review. Dublin Airport Platinum Services has the i7 in their fleet and I have to say that it's tackiness on steroids, I asked for an alternative vehicle last time out. The quite hideous, gaudy techno-colour plastic prism surface on the dash trim would have even Liberace spinning in his grave. I sincerely hope that this is a fad, and that normal service will be resumed shortly along with the rapid demise of the EV.
@Y15ARG
@Y15ARG Жыл бұрын
I agree, it's not a looker, but neither is the G82, you still bought several of those! :)
@JoeAchilles1
@JoeAchilles1 Жыл бұрын
Maybe you should learn BMW model codes before attempting to be funny 🤔
@sp3c0ps
@sp3c0ps Жыл бұрын
I also prefer the 7series before that was a beast.
@DamoDrives
@DamoDrives Жыл бұрын
The other i7 I took out had even more extras and was 162k.
@antonystarling
@antonystarling Жыл бұрын
Parked next to a white car with Joe as it's plate
@JoeAchilles1
@JoeAchilles1 Жыл бұрын
Haha yes I noticed that in the edit 😂 A total fluke!
@anthonyfarnan5935
@anthonyfarnan5935 Жыл бұрын
Saving the planet one 3-tonne luxo-barge at a time!
@DavidGarcia-zp1ho
@DavidGarcia-zp1ho 3 ай бұрын
Had and s560. Looked into getting and s580 until I saw the 7 series in person. Decision was easy. Have had the i7 for a month and it’s incredible. The luxury, quality, tech and ride are now the best in its class. I was confused by this review. I guess everyone has an opinion, but this was just so inaccurate.
@marcinbartosik3554
@marcinbartosik3554 Жыл бұрын
Last part with passenger- one of best 😂 feel sorry for Stef abtv🤢
@Lkpumpin
@Lkpumpin Жыл бұрын
I feel 15mins is not enough to make a review on a car like this
@theridiculousnicolaus
@theridiculousnicolaus Жыл бұрын
Front reminds me of a that Citroen
@user-gj9hy9xh8w
@user-gj9hy9xh8w Жыл бұрын
Just bought the G11. Prefer that model. Can't get over the bulbus front on the new gen.
@krugmeup2162
@krugmeup2162 Жыл бұрын
I’m happy with my v8 too
@coldteeth24
@coldteeth24 Жыл бұрын
It might be a little early in the history of humanity to declare this the ugliest car of all time, but my money is on it.
@christophschonbach6263
@christophschonbach6263 Жыл бұрын
Don‘t forget the „XM“ - it will be a close race which of them will make it, I guess 😂😂👌🏻
@rupersters
@rupersters Жыл бұрын
​@@rg6982hi keyboard raider
@rupersters
@rupersters Жыл бұрын
I am afraid there will be a lot more coming, but you can put this in a top 10
@dzionisis
@dzionisis Жыл бұрын
@@rg6982 watch out, we got a fanboy over here
@gunterlauch2264
@gunterlauch2264 Жыл бұрын
Not even close
@santana9537
@santana9537 Жыл бұрын
Personally I love the Design Has a lot of presence and the interior is insane
@krugmeup2162
@krugmeup2162 Жыл бұрын
You mean it’s like a shiny iPhone
@silvermv6
@silvermv6 Жыл бұрын
We have 6 of these of our fleet..just pco'd and out to work
@nick_yeah
@nick_yeah Жыл бұрын
I’m surprised that the new style of split headlights is a downgrade; how the main beam is now void of any definition/style, just a light behind glass. Oh, and the interior is tacky AF.
@animalutz00
@animalutz00 Жыл бұрын
Im 101% agree with you. Old gen 7, a gem. This, just a shiny "thing". Sad BMW went down the merc way.
@krugmeup2162
@krugmeup2162 Жыл бұрын
They were told to and bmw are too gutless
@dstfno
@dstfno 6 ай бұрын
They don't have a choice. European politics are killing the car industry.
@unowen-nh9ov
@unowen-nh9ov Жыл бұрын
Cost cutting or the fact that this is the most monochromatic, generic & rental looking G70 interior I've seen? Only 1, in fact, the cashmere & cloth or cherry leather have all looked quite deluxe. This is like 2nd coming of E65, journos didn't enjoy BMW pushing the envelope then, either, will be curious to see how the market takes to this 1, @ this size, weight & BEV this is new segment for BMW. Curious to hear what you think of this tech in neu 5er (also not a small car), or even better, XM hybrid V8 drivetrain M5.
@Horizon301.
@Horizon301. Жыл бұрын
Prices have gone up an insane amount and standard equipment is equal to that of a much cheaper vehicle aka a 5 series minus the added luxuries
@cbotten106
@cbotten106 4 ай бұрын
+$12,000 year to year on a $112,000 car is kind of a lot, I agree. The M70 is completely nuts at $170,000 to start. Methinks, they didn't want the xdrive60 to look like too much of a "bargain".
@KingKong-he9hk
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This new 7 somehow makes me want to distant from it. That front grille doesn’t really match up well with those headlights. Once you sit in, looking at that wide screen makes me want to get out already. No matter how nice they present, we will forever miss the directness of instant command. In other words the driver will most likely need a hand massage after a long drive. Judging the way Joe wrestles with this shark even in sports mode, I instantly appreciate my old g12 750 M Sport, that was extremely satisfying even when I push it day in day out on some of the most twisty roads, it was extremely satisfying, now it looks like it’s gone for good.
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