In my limited fwd experience, it seems like you can make them very engaging to drive, but it requires a slightly unhinged setup. Stuff like rear toe-out to give you a rear-steer effect under power can help. Reverse tire stagger and giant rear sway bars of course help too
Tires are easily worth 1.5 seconds, and above all consistency. V730's are awesome, I even daily on them with no problem on my S2k.
@Veyronp8710 ай бұрын
nice! car looks pretty capable on the track. managing understeer seems to be the big thing
@dannyarooster10 ай бұрын
on OEM Tires, alignment and pads that's some good stuff - with all those things addressed you can get low 50s I'm sure. I had a modified ITR DC2 back in the day and was doing mid 1:50s, so for this thing to be bone stock and doing same times is super impressive.
@RandolphRunningClub10 ай бұрын
I was at Sonoma the same day doing the autocross in my Viper and saw the ITS on track. Didn't realize that was you! The car looks quick and like a great time. Awesome video!
@sberghausen10 ай бұрын
This is a compelling demonstration that this car is a great and engaging DD that is somewhat wanting for track duty. Watching you tugging at the wheel shows that the FWD nature is coming through pretty strongly.
@Itz_JayM2 ай бұрын
A rear sway bar upgrade makes turn in a dream. Really helps with understeer. Pads, tires, a rear sway bar and alignment makes the car drive so much better on the track.
@CubanRider10 ай бұрын
Keeping in 4th on both instances was key, along with the smoother driving of course. I'd say it has a mid-1:55 on it and maybe even faster.
@williamrori127410 ай бұрын
Having a competitor to this car (Elantra N), that pedal dance is hilarious. Why they would release a performance vehicles without an easy ability to turn everything off is beyond me.
@tyhyhh10 ай бұрын
i wouldnt call a Elantra N a competitor
@williamrori127410 ай бұрын
@@tyhyhh Like or or not it's another FWD car with near identical performance on-track. The only thing that isn't close is the price.
@GeronimoBiggles10 ай бұрын
either way you all will get smoked by all those other RWD V6/V8 monsters ;p
@VQSeries10 ай бұрын
@GeronimoBiggles Stick to ya NFS racing games kid lol
@GeronimoBiggles10 ай бұрын
@@VQSerieslol your name refers to a Nissan V6 and you hating on my comment?
@ryuradeon10 ай бұрын
The car seems fairly neutral. I bet a good alignment with more negative camber, and a set of carbotech xp10/8 pads would go a long way. Really enjoyed it! I track my s2k but daily an apex blue ITS as well! Considering taking it to an hpde day. Love the content!
@darksunrise877710 ай бұрын
Haha man that description of fwd power understeer is bringing back memories of when I would track my GTI, front would just want to plow straight exiting corners. Sticky tires and a stiffer rear sway would probably help.
@eliezergutierrez247210 ай бұрын
Love the track videos, please make more with the type s
@forthesnowflakes769110 ай бұрын
All good you didn't better your time. It's really good that you're learning how she drives, what works, what doesn't quite work and what works best... within a little traffic lol. Awesome track run, review, content and thank you for sharing it all. BTW I got a call as I'm next on the list at but it was another blue lol so I passed ;). Can't have two of the same color within the same vicinity lol.
@shakespeareracing782210 ай бұрын
A lot of commenters are forgetting this car is bone stock. Efficiency and tire wear oriented alignment and PS4S (non star spec) aren’t ideal for punishing on track. Will be curious what an alignment and tires will do. Some lift off overseer moments will make this an enjoyable experience
@DC5Brandon10 ай бұрын
FWD driver here. I know Fenton knows this, but FYI for anyone else who wants to reduce understeer in a FWD car. Wider wheels and tires. 200 TW tires would be great if the extra G's don't induce oil starvation (I got a baffled oil pan for insurance). Is it MacPherson suspension? Even though it would be more difficult to get negative camber, try to get a little toe out and as much negative camber as you can (-3 is a good number) for the alignment. Someone said it first here, but if you can, install a bigger rear sway bar, preferably an adjustable one and maybe, just maybe, you could induce a little more oversteer.
@MateosFiestaST10 ай бұрын
You gotta be shite-ing me with that disable traction control process 😂
@odoroussmegma219110 ай бұрын
Fiesta means feast in Mexican.
@dre32pitt10 ай бұрын
You never played Contra on NES back in the day?
@j.385410 ай бұрын
@@dre32pittyou beat me to this comment! Lol
@shakespeareracing782210 ай бұрын
First gen FRSand BRZ had something similar for the first few model years
@evanescent03116 ай бұрын
You were hustling that thing around … nicely done!
@i.d.649210 ай бұрын
Bro you're one of very few people who drives these cars they way they were meant to be driven. Most people buy ctr or its and it's sitting in garage most of the time
@ka124as9 ай бұрын
lol. That’s me. 😅
@ravenstylea210 ай бұрын
I feel that a 35 series dedicated track tire would work and look better on this car. 30 series tires look like rubber bands on the wheels.
@Sendies10 ай бұрын
It really is a complete mentality shift when switching from RWD to FWD. That Yaw moment you look for while hustling a rwd car around a corner is much more effort to achieve in a FWD, but they are both fun regardless :D
@moneyshift819010 ай бұрын
Great vid can't wait to see how you do with better tires.
@Pogona201110 ай бұрын
you were much smoother on the bonus laps! fun!. you hit 109! looks great-makes sense to learn the limits stock first
@AP1GO9K10 ай бұрын
Get another s2000 leave this for daily driving
@flyinphynixfpv59806 ай бұрын
As someone who has never done a track day I love watching this. I'm hopefully going to be purchasing a ITS in the next couple months and it's nice to see that even stock it can perform. Question - Are the tires basically shot after a track day? Meaning that you have to spend ~$800-1000 for a new set of tires after a day on the track?? Plus the oil change. Seems like a track day is an expensive outing if that's the case!
@pushslice10 ай бұрын
“….., You do the Hokey Pokey, then you turn yourself around, and that’s what it’s all a-bout!” Boom! Nannies off! :-D
@yeedle7910 ай бұрын
Best type-s review! Sonoma is my favorite track in Cali.
@jonsabo713210 ай бұрын
Do alignment asap, dial back your driving a bit and lap time will fall. Smooth for the WIN. I wonder if the brake pads are the same as the type R (I have one), and initial bit was decent for me. Tires will be not struggle as much once you get the car dialed in.
@kjwong47309 ай бұрын
I think with new tires and more camber, can def shave off 1-2 secs. Stock suspension very impressive
@TheDanny6527 ай бұрын
Hah just found your videos. I was driving the blue TLX Aspec in background that had spot light for one second 😂
@CT-cf6wm10 ай бұрын
Awesome vid. Can’t wait to see what you do to it.
@z06camaro10 ай бұрын
Please remember to have fun. I'm addicted to lap times but my fastest time was when I wasn't looking at my timer.
@ChrisJones-yh2os10 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for this. Still have a deposit in on one at MSRP, and plan to keep it. I think the cooling on a hotter day is still an interesting question, esp. since maybe it cut power due to heat in final session?
@Zygrene10 ай бұрын
I'm convinced the power cut was due to the fuel level being at 1/4 tank. It was only about 70 degrees during that session
@eddiesegal554110 ай бұрын
You have to keep the gas over half a tank or else it will fuel starve, my CTR does the same thing, great vid!
@ka124as9 ай бұрын
Is this forreal?!
@CypressRacing10 ай бұрын
Awesome vid, any thoughts on the seats?
@Zygrene10 ай бұрын
They're absolutely terrible at holding me in, as expected
@accuratebrickinnovations10 ай бұрын
some TE37s will pull a premium. The stock wheels are heavy.
@xmunitrader10 ай бұрын
Great Video! Saw Grand Turismo over the weekend, Actually really enjoyed it Anyone else catch it?
@arosemenaa13 күн бұрын
Is the stock cooling for the DE5 better than the FL5? Seems like it may be based on the bumper.
@ribbles169910 ай бұрын
Lol at the Camaro brute-forcing its way around corners, line be damned
@DS-jh1bp10 ай бұрын
Enjoyed the video!
@subsixtynk9510 ай бұрын
How does it compare to the Elantra N on track?
@Zygrene10 ай бұрын
I'm driving my ITS and an EN at Laguna next month so I'll compare them then
@psewgobind10 ай бұрын
@@Zygrene I'm looking forward to EN comparison. I've been procrastinating like crazy and have yet to get my EN to the track. However, I have put in 35K of street driving this summer and getting on early and making use of the e-LSD seems to be key to maximize on the turns (Type-S might need a track alignment to make it possible, while EN already has it). Sucks that there's no oil temperature gage...hopefully there's some kind of tune that'll display it (probably has, but info centre wont display it).
@H1GHD3FF10 ай бұрын
I like Castro Edge. But im will to try the platinum plus
@mikemccormick612810 ай бұрын
I wish I had one of these cars, but I don't seem to have much luck in getting one. I signed up for the pre-sale on May 14, and I'm still waiting. At this point I figure I'll be waiting until next year. I'm sure at some point, if it takes too long, I'll probably just give up and order a 2024 Model 3.
@brhardi4832610 ай бұрын
Awesome video man looked like way too much fun. I'm in North Carolina and debating whether to use 5w-30. ITS will be my 2nd car so may just avoid driving it during the cold months.
@accuratebrickinnovations10 ай бұрын
ayyye NC! im in charlotte.
@addi.181310 ай бұрын
Do you think you could add a foot cam? Would love to see the pedal action along with ur pov.
@Zygrene10 ай бұрын
Should be easy enough, I'll give it a shot
@MajorAddiction10 ай бұрын
nice insights thanks
@dre32pitt10 ай бұрын
Im about 3:30 in and I dont think you're going to like this car in the long run. It doesn't speak to your core elements as a driver. edit: im referring to it as a track car. But as a DD, it's top 3, imo (if you need/want 4 doors).
@Zygrene10 ай бұрын
I'm hoping mods and setup can make it work better with my driving style
@dre32pitt10 ай бұрын
@@Zygrene I'm hope they do!
@ka124as10 ай бұрын
tend to agree. the steering is so numb, but def can DD. Such an amazing car nonetheless
@dre32pitt10 ай бұрын
@@ka124as Yea, I agree on the steering. I haven't driven the new CTR/ITR, but I owned a 21 CTR for a year and it didnt feel 'connected', like an older car. The best part were the seats, imo, lol. Oh and the engine.. it pulls like crazy even in stock form.. Edit: Oh and as a DD, it was probably the best 'do-it-all' car I've owned and I've owned numerous 'hot hatches' or equivalents as I've always had a need to compromise.. Did plenty of diaper changes in the back hatch lmao. I ended up getting something with more driving feel, even though it's deemed an 'inferior' car to the CTR (18 STI Type RA).. Hydraulic steering (great info when loaded up) and the shifter goes straight into the gearbox, no linkage like on a fwd platform. Oh, and it sounded INFININTLY better than the CTR with a simple CBE, lol.. Ended up getting a 987.1 Cayman S since I no longer needed 4 doors/seats anymore and couldn't be happier! No, no IMS or bore score issues @ 90k (it's been a PCA owned car it's whole life, I have records going back to 2011, and it was driven regularly, which is key to keeping the IMS lubed).
@ka124as10 ай бұрын
@@dre32pittdamn bro! Some nice cars right there!! Glad you’re enjoying your cayman! Driver feel is something that can’t be put on paper.
@jwb4bb10 ай бұрын
100TW tires would be a nice comparison, but it seems like FWD is just asking too much for a potent track car, save a Type R.
@aniladitya10 ай бұрын
Waiting for this
@darrenlau277810 ай бұрын
How did the seat perform during your outing? The bolstering doesnt seem aggressive enough for track duty.
@lounge2fly210 ай бұрын
Love your content! As you’ve said you didn’t get a type r over this because you want it to be a better daily. Which it is. For what the car is set up for it looks as if it can hang with others no problem on a track and is a fun ride. Being that it is a type s street performance car, in that light do you feel like it’s still an enjoyable every once in a while track car or are you leaning on turning it into more of one?
@Zygrene10 ай бұрын
My goal with the car is similar to what I did to my BRZ. Simple reversible mods to make it better on track without greatly sacrificing daily drivability. e.g. "OEM+"
@SilverScarletSpider10 ай бұрын
your fastest track car is slower than every fl5 and fk8 ? well depending on the suspension demands of the track and the power band your extra 5 hp and softer suspension could help your type s be faster than a type r
@ii_dynasty10 ай бұрын
Throttle house review on both cars ended up with the same lap time.
@gigi94679 ай бұрын
I dont think this car will last one year in you stable bro.. maybe if u get another car for track maybe nd2-3? And keep the type s for an actual Daily there is just no such thing as a do it all
@brhardi4832610 ай бұрын
Were the seats ok on the track, or were you moving around?
@Zygrene10 ай бұрын
The seats are awful, as expected
@callmecue10 ай бұрын
Are you not required to give a "point-by" for your driving/DE events??
@Zygrene10 ай бұрын
Not in the advanced group
@mwwpieper10 ай бұрын
Any idea why the power cut in the end? Is oil temp available via OBD2? Got my eye on a blue/orchid as well.
@Zygrene10 ай бұрын
I haven't looked into it, but I'm fairly confident it was due to fuel starvation
@steveo842410 ай бұрын
Was that a Macan at a track day?
@jessicaphoenix131210 ай бұрын
WTF was the cheat code you entered to get permission to drive your car?
@joechan656310 ай бұрын
What made you change the brake fluid before the race?
@Zygrene10 ай бұрын
I don't trust OEM brake fluid to hold up
@da-yh3uy10 ай бұрын
have you done a track day in the fl5?
@Zygrene10 ай бұрын
Nope
@sunnyvalentino10 ай бұрын
Different and controversial opinion here. I wasn't impressed with the car on track. It seems to make good times because of HP and outright tire grip vs chassis balance and on limit handling. It looks like a much more responsive, damped and braked family sedan running a track. (Vs something like an 86, MX5 and in this price bracket a Supra)
@Zygrene10 ай бұрын
I'm hopeful that a few choice mods will transform the car
@sunnyvalentino10 ай бұрын
@Zygrene I'm sure it will and you will also learn how to drive around some of the flaws (not much to do but trail brake and slow down/try different corner lines) as you build familiarity.
@chrislo200710 ай бұрын
At the end of the day this is not a sports car. The chassis is for a luxury sedan with sporty parts. It's never gonna compare to 86/Miata. And of course it's FWD. Not really surprised with his experience(I owned a FK8 Type R and grew bored of it). Probably fun a few times but after a while you realize you're lugging around a ton of extra weight and it just cant handle corners as good as a sports car.
@MrJohnkicksass10 ай бұрын
Wondering what your camera set up is with the helmet?
@Zygrene10 ай бұрын
GoPro Hero 11 Black at 2.7k 4:3, cropped to 16:9 in post
@MrJohnkicksass10 ай бұрын
@@Zygrene just picked up a GoPro hero 10 for an event at buttonwillow this weekend. Any specific mount you use to hook up the go pro to the helmet?
@jackwicker10 ай бұрын
How does the shifter feel compared to the BRZ?
@Zygrene10 ай бұрын
It's much slicker and more precise.
@avery452810 ай бұрын
Lessgo
@JayJay-he9bk10 ай бұрын
Why not just leave it in auto rev match
@Zygrene10 ай бұрын
I'm stubborn
@LoveLikeaHurricane10 ай бұрын
was waiting for a money shift , and see if history would repeat
@killr0y10 ай бұрын
Ooh an Integra on the track 😂😂
@scalways10 ай бұрын
Jajaja. Your going to destroy that thing, while under steering around corners. 🤡
@thomasferrarojr.977210 ай бұрын
You're a real treat of a human being. Congratulations!
@ShaiyanHossain10 ай бұрын
the audi pfp talking about understeer huh
@scalways10 ай бұрын
@thomasferrarojr.9772 Clearly, he didn't have a father in his life, or he wouldn't be tracking a front wheel drive Acura.
@thomasferrarojr.977210 ай бұрын
@scalways Whatever man. I'm not one to force my opinion on others. The car is very capable.
@FATmenDRIVEtrucks10 ай бұрын
@scalways jokeswagons are for the gays don't touch my pee pee please