I agree and the Mackie is actually a very decent sounding console. I didn't use the EQ or anything this time but when I have, it sounds and works really well.

But the Sapphyre with busses and compression was totally other league! @@TwinCreekAudio

@@irecki1 it really doesn't need the compressors to add some nice saturation to the mix. This console sounds as big as it looks. Lol

It had been a long time since I used a Mackie and it was surprisingly good. I like using the EQ even though I didn't use it in this video.

Thank you! I like making the videos to help people with analog-hybrid setups. I started with analog in the 80s and have used a lot of different methods for recording and mixing that I want to share in my videos.

Thank you! I like plugins but I still can't get them to do the same thing that analog gear does.

I have never understood why some people dislike the Mackie 8 Bus. I used all the time in commercial studios in the 90s and always had good luck with them. I think a lot of the sound comes from the summing amps they used. The preamps and EQ aren't bad either especially for the price they sell for now.

Thank you!

I agree and wish there were newer consoles being made that had more channels and cost less. Built in audio interfaces are a nice feature too unless the manufacturer stops supporting it which has happened with some of the firewire mixers. I'll use some plugins in the box before it hits the console but I have to monitor through the console to make sure the final sound is what I want to hear.

The Mackie really sounds great and mine isn't in that good of condition. It's still quiet and the controls aren't scratchy or anything. It has rust and wear and tear but all I had to do was clean it up and clean the ribbon cable connections and it's nearly 100%

That's great work done,It's sounds great 👍

❤your hard work

@@kevinlentz7604Thank you so much!

Thank you! Like most of my videos with analog gear, this one took 2 days to make. Thanks again!!

Helping keep analog alive!

In 2008, I sold my 24 track tape machine and went digital but kept using a console for tracking monitoring. I got the Soundcraft in 2019 and started trying to do more hybrid mixing with my console. I could immediately tell a difference and mixes come together in half the time or less.

@@TwinCreekAudio Yeah, its crazy people don't recognize the difference immediately. Would be cool to hear you do a back-to-back comparison, where you switch between the two multiple times. Anyway, just got my Soundcraft 600 32ch out of storage and setting things up, yahoo! Thanks for the vid!!

@@schance1666 I'll definitely do a direct comparison video. I think I've made a few like that before but it's been awhile. The Soundcraft 600 is another good one. I'm sure you'll be enjoying that.

My main console uses EDAC for everything including the tie lines for outboard gear and that makes changing things a little easier. I still have to climb behind the racks to change things up which I do a lot for the different videos etc. I started recording with analog tape/ADAT/DA-88 so the older workflow appeals to me. I don't have a good DAW controller except an old Tranzport remote that I don't use now that Reaper has the web remote. I have to make a lot of changes in my studio on a regular basis mainly due to making the videos for KZfaq. I will use the techniques in this video a lot of times though sometimes I will use the DAW as if it was just a tape machine and perform the entire mix on the console using mostly analog gear with maybe a plugin or 2 for things I can't do as easily with my analog gear. I'm thinking my Mackie might be the start of a new room at my studio that I could use to more easily demonstrate analog gear. Most of the commercial releases I've mixed in the last 3 years have been done with the full analog or hybrid method though I will definitely mix in the box for plants that need a lot of changes. I think the other methods sound better but the convenience of recall when the DAW is really convenient. I have thought about getting some kind of a DAW controller for a long time but have not done enough research to know what would be the best for my workflow.

Those are excellent ideas! I could probably do that pretty easily with the consoles I have. I usually take photos but things like the Yamaha LCD screen are hard to read in photos. I need to build a library of templates like that and put them with the session files like you suggest. Thanks!

That sounds like a really good workflow and one that would be a lot simpler. So far, I mainly use reainsert with external processors for one or two things in an otherwise ITB mix. This seems like a great idea that I should try. I really appreciate your comments. Yes, I'm south of Lufkin which is about 3 hours north of Houston near the Louisiana border. In fact, I got the Mackie 8 bus in Louisiana for $50! I had used them all the time back in the '90s and couldn't pass up such a good deal. I figured it would make a great series of videos as well.

I have a video like that using the Soundtracs Topaz which is quite similar to the Mackie 8 Bus as far as set up. I'm not able to make new videos right now but I was planning on a how to video like that with the Mackie if I still have it after the studio move that I'm trying to do this summer.

I would like to try that as well. Harrison Mixbius also had saturation built it. I have used it some and thought it sounded great but I have used Reaper for more than 10 years and know it very well. The Presonus DAW has always looked good to me and if they have analog summing emulation, that might be a good way to go depending on how it sounds.

I've made a couple of videos on setting up a console and audio interface for hybrid mixing but I didn't use my Soundcraft in those because everything is on EDAC connectors. That's makes it more difficult to show in a video. I'll try to find the others I made and post links. I think I used the Soundtracs Topaz for those but the Mackie I have now would be easy to demonstrate the connections and set up.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hdJ9ndGCtZucnok.htmlsi=z2qdfJJ7-0WWX4By kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iL2dq86Al83Sf6c.htmlsi=uT3kgK9KAgxSaZlm These 2 videos should give you an idea of how I set things up. The main rig with the Sapphyre is a bit more complicated but it works exactly the same.

Both are pretty good console but personally I'd probably choose the Soundcraft. More features and higher quality in general. I tested a Spirit Live 4.2 a few years ago in some videos so you check those out too.

Wow thanks for the reply. I am actually going for thge soundcraft . The difference is 100 bucks in my case (both being in really good condition) THANKS A TON agagain for your content. YOu are partially responsible for me going hybrid! @@TwinCreekAudio

I'm sure you'll really enjoy the Soundcraft. I like Mackies too but the 1640 is still not as good as the Soundcraft sound and build quality wise. Thanks so much for watching! It always makes me happy to help people and inspire people to use cool analog gear. It definitely helps set the work you do apart from all the laptop producers. Better workflow and nice analog sound.

I'll see if can help more thoroughly in the morning but you could connect your monitors to the control room outputs. Then with the audio interface outputs set up the way you describe, assign the channels to either buses or the main L/R mix. Make sure you select LR in the control room section and press the flip switches to bring the tape inputs down the channels. They normally go to Mix B. I'll try to get more information on that in the morning.

I don't use PT or Logic much. I have been on Reaper for at least 10 years. It should work the same way to assign individual tracks to individual outputs on the audio interface. To help more with that, I will have to look up how logic and Pro Tools work as far as routing to interface outputs.

Try this for Pro Tools Select the tracks whose outputs you want to assign, hold down Shift + Alt, click on the output selector on one of the selected tracks and choose an output. The rest should follow.

@@TwinCreekAudio thanks for the response. Yeah I’ll try that when I get back to my studio, I plugged the monitor into the control room outputs and didn’t get any sound. I did have that knob turned up, wondering if there was a switch I should have hit after plugging them into control room or should they just come on? I guess I am trying to get more fluid and understanding how to go from monitoring and then hitting switches to go into mixing and then back to monitoring seamlessly. And then yes printing the mix back in making sure the levels are correct so it doesn’t clip and sound distorted on the way back in. Thank you again 🙏

@@OkMarionPark you need to select LR or Mix B if you haven't pressed all the flip switches. The control room section selects what you hear from the CR out so that and the flip switches should be pressed. I hope that makes sense.

It depends on what style of music you are mixing. The Gold 7s have good low end but are only 6.5". The KRKs are 6" so a little smaller. I have KRK RP6 Gen 1 I've used for years before the Tannoys. Both are good. I used with KRK 10S but not always. For electronic music, I would use a sub. The Tannoys don't seem to have any resonance problems that I have noticed. They are well phase aligned and have more accurate highs than KRKs but KRKs are good too. Tannoys are expensive though.

@@TwinCreekAudio Well, you're right, i thinking about for electronic music. I have Rokits 6 G3 but i didn't move them to another country. Tannoy Gold 7 and 8 more cheap than a Genelec 7040 6.5" sub. Thank you so much 🙏

@@MG-se6nc you are welcome. Best of luck to you. I think the Tannoys are very good. I also have NS10s but they make my ears tired so I use the Tannoys more.

@@TwinCreekAudio I heard about amplifier is change Ns10m sound character so match is very important for Ns10ms. Some mixing engineers use with expensive Bryston or Yamaha P2500 , 3500 etc. and some people use with sub

Yes, you can do it that way by assigning the subgroups to different audio interface outputs that you connect to console inputs.

By the way, what interface do you employ ?@@TwinCreekAudio

@@mrshiney2 I have several different interfaces I use for different things. The main rig is a pair of older Echo Audiofire 12s for 24 IO. I also have a MOTU and Audient interfaces that are used for a secondary rig. Sometimes I'm using the main rig for playback and a second to capture the console out independently.

@@TwinCreekAudio Interesting. I am currently using UA Apollo Twin Thunderbolt going to pc. Everything I have been doing is in the box with Waves and UA plugins. The Onyx 16 I mentioned is left over from my old firewire rig into Mackie Tractions PC from years ago. But I found the hybrid mix you showed with the Mackie board very intriguing. But I do need more input if I want to record a full band/drums. I have never had a single glitch with my UA setup and am kind of concerned to change interface brands at this point just because it seems so solid. Have heard many good things about the new Audient Evo 16/8. Maybe pair that with a UA Apollo 8 for 16 in

I have a friend that used to have a studio in Nashville and he loves the EVOs. Stability is really important with audio interfaces. That's why I've kept my older Interfaces so long. Also, I like the way they work and newer units don't have the same kind of software mixer to avoid latency.

They can be very useful depending on the style of music. I have been able to mix both with a bus compressor and without with good results so it is really a personal preference. I usually use more bus compression for rock or electronic music unless for things like folk or classical music. It can add some nice glue and punch to the mix.

@@TwinCreekAudio OK great I do electronic music...I was thinking of the art pro vla just to fatten up I like the tube sound

@@eancurtis9333 I'm a huge fan of ART compressors. I have 2 of the TCS that have VCA and Opto compression. They are absolutely great! Yes, electronic music would work really well with a bus compressor. The VLA is a great way to go!

Drums on ADAT is quite sexy. My brother gave me an old ADAT machine, then took it back 😠

@@brianmac8260 you can kind of emulate the ADAT sound with an original MOTU 828 FireWire if you run it at 44.1 16 bit. I've done it and it sounds pretty cool. It sounds more forward and agressive than 48-24. The old 828s sell for $75 and drivers seem to still be supported.

I don't answer the phone myself so I'm not sure what happened. Web site is twincreekaudio.com but there's no contact form or anything there due to constant spam issues etc. I work full time away from the studio so I'm not as available as I'd like to be to answer questions. I do apologize for any misunderstanding.

No problem. Thanks!@@TwinCreekAudio